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Is LRC fever spreading?

Good morning bloggers, Say what you will about the LRC, but I think I've found evidence that others believe in or use long-term, longwave patterns for long range forecasting.  When I was in Lousiville Kentucky last week visiting family, WAVE-3 meteorologist John Belski

 

posted a 14 day forecast for the region they refer to as Kentuckianna (southern Indiana & Kentucky)

     That got my attention, and started wondering on what is he basing this trend.  Then low and behold, John lets it fly.  "I think we'll still some cooler days ahead, as I believe the pattern is on a six week cycle."  Wow!  I've e-mailed John to see what if any long-term longwave pattern he is using.  Hopefully he'll get back to me and I can share his thoughts with you.  As for my thoughts on the LRC, which Scott has asked me about, I don't think you can deny the correlation between the occurence of long wave troughs over an "on-average" number of days.  But here's what I've noticed.  The surface reflection of these upper air patterns changes dramatically from Winter to Spring to Summer.  For instance, and I'm keeping this simple on purpose,

   Last year on March 22nd we had a strong low pressure area here and in Carroll Co. Missouri, there was a tornado warning.   Last year's LRC was 42-45 days and we talked about a possible tornado outbreak here on May 5th, well the outbreak was in western Oklahoma and of course, Greensburg, KS.  The long wave position was correct but this time the surface low was farther west and a little slower.  We did, however, get heavy rain event out of that long-wave setup, just no severe weather.  My point is, the LRC works for long-range forecasting; i.e. cold-ar outbreaks, heatwaves, wetter and drier periods or stormier periods, but just because it produced extreme weather one time doesn't mean it will happen in the same location with the same magnitude again.  Well, there you have it. 

Thanks for reading, have a great day,

Brett

  

  

Published Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:23 AM by wxman5

Comments

 

Scott said:

Brett - can you reference the page where you found this quote?

"I think we'll still some cooler days ahead, as I believe the pattern is on a six week cycle"?
***** Scott, Hi, I was watching John on T-V when he said that. I checked out the Wave 3 blog but in my limited time today had no time to find out more about his theory. I'm hoping he e-mails me back with more data. Brett
March 25, 2008 1:12 PM
 

Scott said:

"just because it produced extreme weather one time doesn't mean it will happen in the same location with the same magnitude again. "

Granted.

However, to make the statement referring to the potential of a tornado outbreak on the 5th based on March is a statement directly tied to the surface.  It was not said that the same upper air pattern would exist...

Instead, it was the surface that was referenced.  The upper air drives the lower air most of the time..and in strong upper air patterns, the surface does generally follow.

If this were not the case, the team would not have concluded the May 5th outbreak potential.  So..while the surface can shift a bit...it still is in the same neighborhood - and the sensible weather often has some similar characteristics adjusted for seasonal norms.

I was curious if you bought in..seems that you do.  That was all I was curious about. *** Agreed, but timing can also the sensible weather of the day. Had the Low tracked closer to KC, then we may have experienced more severe weather. There are so many variables that come into play. I appreciate your insight. You've picked up a lot in the last couple of years. Brett
March 25, 2008 1:17 PM
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