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Records Fall & An Early Week Storm...10pm UPDATE

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Here's a quick update to close the weekend.  Still looks like parts of northeast Kansas and northwest Missouri stand the best chance of seeing snow on Tuesday morning.  During the news I mentioned areas like St. Joe, Maryville, Hiawatha, Topeka, and Atchison could see 1-2" on grassy surfaces.  This isn't set in stone since temps are still marginal and a 1 or 2 degree change either way could mean a mix or even rain.  But right now I am confident that if accumulating snow occurs it would favor the same areas as other storms this season.  Gary will have the updates and answer your questions in the morning.

Here are the start dates for our new NBC Action News shows!

Midday show starts January 14.  Airs Monday-Friday 11am to Noon

Weekend mornings start January 26.  Airs Saturday & Sunday mornings 8-9am

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Spring was in the air this past weekend across the region as high temperatures were around 60 degrees both Saturday and Sunday in Kansas City.  The warm temperatures helped to eliminate the snow pack across much of the viewing area and also cure many people of 'cabin fever'.  Numerous records fell across the state of Missouri today and even one will likely fall in Kansas City.  The low temperature as of 7pm in Kansas City has been 45 degrees.  As long as the temperature does not drop below 40 degrees by midnight, this will go down as the warmest low temperature on record for January 6.  The current record is 40 degrees set in 1900, 1921, & 1931.

Here is a list of record highs that were tied or broken across the region on Sunday.

Columbia, MO: 72   (72  1907)

Springfield, MO: 71  (70  1907)

Joplin, MO: 74  (60  1967)

Rolla, MO: 71  (59  1965)

St. Louis, MO: 73  (67  1907)

 

Temperatures from Kansas City and areas north are retreating back into the 40s right now as a cold front has pushed into the region.  This front will stall out tonight and be the focal point for a few showers by morning.  The best chance of seeing morning rain showers will be around Kansas City and points north.  The front then lifts north as a surface low moves north and west of the area.  This will allow south to southwest winds to crank up again and give us highs in the 50s to 60s.  The 60s will mainly be south of KC.  Once again I think northern locations will stay about 10 degrees colder...probably 40s to maybe 50s.  Even though temperatures will be colder to the north any precipitation that falls on Monday will stay in the form of rain.

Another cold front will enter the region later Monday and this is the front that finally brings our mild weather to an end.  The front will also produce more showers and a chance of thunderstorms(likely southeast of KC).  To recap Monday...a few showers early....temps in the 50s to around 60...then late day showers with a stronger cold front.

Monday night into Tuesday a second surface low moves to our southeast and also a vort max at 500mb will move across the area.  This area of lift will produce one last area of precipitation with this system.  Some areas will likely change over to snow by Tuesday morning, but here are the concerns.  Surface temperatures above 32 degrees.  Ground temperatures warmed over the weekend.  Snow falling during the day.  All of these will combine to likely limit any snow accumulation to grassy surfaces.  The best chance of seeing snow is likely many of the same areas that have received the bulk of the snow this winter.  That includes St. Joseph, Maryville, and maybe some flakes in Kansas City.  

Here is a look at the 500mb vort that will swing thru early Tuesday.

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Now look at the 850mb chart from the 18Z GFS.  The freezing line at this level is still over central Kansas early Tuesday morning.

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While the lift will likely be around the area...we are lacking a good push of cold air for a quick change to snow.  As a result, I think some areas will see snow, but mainly north of Kansas City and accumulations in those areas should stay on grassy surfaces if it happens.  Those are the current trends and if something changes after the 00Z models come out I will update the blog.  Otherwise Gary will be blogging early tomorrow morning with his thoughts.

I also wanted to mention to everyone in case you missed it in the comments section.  NBC Action New is starting a midday newscast that will air from 11am to Noon weekdays.  The show will debut January 14, 2008.  This is great news for viewers, because now you won't have to wait to get the latest model information from the 'other shows' that air at Noon.  We will be the first to deliver the 'new data' each and everyday!  Also coming in the near future, a weekend morning show that will air for 1 hour each weekend morning.  I'll have more details on that in the near future.

I hope everyone enjoyed the weekend and get ready...the pattern is going to get colder and more exciting soon!

Jeremy

Published Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:37 PM by Jeremy WxPlus

Comments

 

LRCfan said:

Great blog Jeremy,so the snow we see will be the type we see in a snowglobe it doesn't cause problems but looks pretty.

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The possible snow will be wet and I'm guessing the roads would stay wet too.

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 7:24 PM
 

Brent said:

ouch......nothing in Harrisonville?

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Accumulation...not seeing it right now.  A few snowflakes...maybe:)

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 7:29 PM
 

Fred said:

Jeremy,

Great blog, very informative!  

I was reading the previous blog and it seems some are anxious for the return of cold weather and snow...I am stuck in the middle...it was nice to play golf on both Saturday and Sunday, take my daughter for a walk, and get the christmas lights off the house...but I like snow too....tough choices, guess that is why I live in Kansas City...you never know what you are going to get!  One day 70, the next day 30 and snow...lol.

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Glad you enjoyed the weekend.  Wasn't the golf course a bit muddy?

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 7:29 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

    Hello Jeremy, What time would you expect a switch to accure during morning rush Tues? or more 12am - 3am?

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Probably around 6am or shortly after.  Northern areas would see a change first...southern areas later or maybe not at all.

January 6, 2008 7:47 PM
 

Husky07 said:

cant wait for the more exciting part of the pattern to come. hopefully Lee's Summit wont get left out like harasonville does. i know were south of KC but not that much south. what do you think, will we get left out?

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Your totals have been a bit less so far this season, but I don't think you will be left out. 

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 7:48 PM
 

chfs327 said:

I want some Snow. Im tired of only getting 2-3 inches of snow every time we get snow. I want about 8-14 inches of snow. Ofcouse we live in the JOCO Dome.
January 6, 2008 8:01 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

At least we gave one more day of mild weather.
January 6, 2008 8:07 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

How does the snow possibility look for Leavenworth?
Also any chance of thunderstorms early tomorrow morning?
January 6, 2008 8:09 PM
 

plowingisfun said:

Jeremy,   I know it's still a long way out, but the storm on Thur. look like it might become a good snow event, or just flurries ? I would like to see at least 2" so I can play with my snow plow some more. It's already been my best season in several years.
January 6, 2008 8:12 PM
 

Mark M said:

Fantastic news on the new newscasts.  I can't wait to see those.  I always wanted more newscasts from NBC Action News.  

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Glad to hear you'll be tuning in! 

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 8:25 PM
 

Brent said:

hmmm first Jeremy says I could see some snowflakes...the he says that southern areas may not even see a changeover to snow....which one?

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Brent,

Really it could be either one.  With the challenges I addressed in the blog the changeover to snow will be tougher the farther south you go from KC. 

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 8:30 PM
 

MikeandJenn said:

Great news on the weekend newscasts!  I absolutely HATE having to watch the so called competition (I say that because they really aren't any competition!) each weekend because NBC hasn't had a newscast available to us to watch.

Bring it on!

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The weekend show will hopefully get started in February.  When I have more info I'll let everyone know!

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 8:33 PM
 

Brent said:

I will watch the 11 am newscast every day...if I can find out what time the weather comes on.

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If you watch the first day you will then know.  Since the show hasn't aired yet I don't know the format either.

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 8:35 PM
 

LRCfan said:

I know the gfs doesn't come out for another 20 minutes or so but what is your take with the latest nam for tuesday?
January 6, 2008 9:12 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Yah, I like the 11am Newscast idea, but hate to see KC Live go off the air. :(
January 6, 2008 9:14 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

     Hello Jeremy, I had one more question, I know you said Rain possible changing to snow on Tues. I notice you have 40 dergrees for a high on Tues, I know you said roadway will probley remain wet, will the grassy surface's rapidly melt, will we see any sun on Tues afternoon, Thanks for you time
January 6, 2008 9:40 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Knowing that this is the "warm period" of the pattern, if we get any snow at all I would call it a nice bonus, after all some years it is tough enough to get a snow in the "colder" periods, let alone the warm ones , yep a lot of the snow here is gone... although it is surprising how tough it hangs on in areas that face north and are shaded those areas still have a good amount,  So depending on how much rain we get and warmth tomorrow, then some of the snow may survive to the next round of cooler weather it will be fun to see if all the snow( other than very small patches) will be melted at one point before the next round of fun, if not then we may run a long streak with at least some snow on the ground.  And as for the new shows... bring them on!!!
The 14th huh... May be a perfect week to show off the extra informing power of the weather team?

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Pass the word about the new midday newscast starting up...and I will let everyone know when the date is finalized for the weekend morning show.  I'm here doing cut-ins and WxPlus every weekend morning...so I am excited to have a regular show each morning to keep everyone updated.

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 9:56 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Jeremy I heard you say earlier that the storm on thursday could be more promising for snow does that still look interesting on thursday according to the gfs,I think it does if I'm looking at it correctly especially the north areas.

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The new GFS continues to dig the Thursday storm even more.  The snow chance will probably go up to 60% tomorrow for Thursday's system.

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 10:07 PM
 

KKing said:

I'm so glad to hear there will be a weekend morning news show!!  I will admit I watch the "other stations" on weekend mornings, but only because NBC Action News doesn't offer an alternative.  I will definitely switch over once the new show starts!  Oh and happy early birthday to your youngest daughter, I know she's getting ready to turn one this week.  If I remember correctly, she was born one day after my daughter at Menorah, who turns one on Wednesday.  Hard to believe it's been a year!  

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It really is unbelievable that it has already been a year!  My daughter isn't walking yet...but getting close.  That trip home from the hospital during 'the storm' last January was quite icy! 

Happy birthday a few days early to your daughter!

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 10:12 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Alright here it goes,

Spring Forecast #1

**3-4 Major Severe Weather Outbreaks**
**5-7 Minor Severe Weather Outbreaks**

I do think there will be a chance for a late Freeze again.

**Major Severe Weather Outbreak possible dates:

March 27,2008
April   14,2008
May    20,2008
June   07,2008    

The minor ones would be the smaller storms in between the big ones, and small storm systems that pass during the dry cycle. Ex, like January 8,2008 might  equal a March 2,2008 minor outbreak.

**This just using some of the data I know about the LRC, and using Jeremy's ratings of the storm systems. I will be changing this alot as we get close to the spring time.**

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Any time frame for the late freeze?

Jeremy                     

January 6, 2008 10:36 PM
 

Eswar said:

I have noticed that the 0z NAM is forecasting 6.5" of snow for MCI, but no snow for Olathe or St. Joseph.  Do you know why the NAM is doing this, or will it just be a narrow band of snow?

Thanks, Eswar

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Eswar,

You are correct about the 6.5" on the extracted data.  Personally I hope that doesn't happen:)  The NAM in my opinion hasn't faired so well with recent storms.  It has a tendency to push the heavy snow to far south.  I prefer the GFS.  I went 1-2" on the news tonight for the favored areas.  Can't rule out something of KC, but the cutoff may be sharp once again.

Jeremy

January 6, 2008 10:39 PM
 

Scott said:

Jeremy, the late freeze with be between April 17th -21st.  Post that on your wall.

If I had to pick one day, I would say the 20th.

;-)

As far as this storm coming up...still the same in my mind as a couple days ago. *********** The QPF you mentioned could still lead to the 1-2" in northern areas. Not very cold air on the backside of this storm. I'll mark down April 20! Jeremy
January 6, 2008 11:38 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Thanks Scott!
January 7, 2008 12:01 AM
 

Nick Rau said:

On the loop of the 00z NAM, it shows the the precip. get really intense, BUT really tight and it just misses St. Joe by two feet( O.K. maybe exaggerating a bit;)) so on the large scale it fits rather close to the snow fall pattern, just off by a hair, that run does remind me however, of the 2004 late November snow storm that missed St. Joe by nearly that same distance as the NAM was showing, I still remember having NO SNOW on the ground at all and seeing cars with 3-4 inches of snow accumulation on them driving on the streets really wierd;), thankfully this year is not 2004-2005.
January 7, 2008 1:11 AM
 

sertorius said:

Gary:

Good Morning to you sir!!! Currently sitting at 51 degrees under clear skies this morning-that front got bored here real quick and high tailed it out LOL-went to bed it was 42 last night-woke up to a balmy 51!!! What a spread of temps this morning: 36 in Manhattan and 51 here-I think even KCI is just at 42 or something-great stuff to look at!! I am also surprised how low some those record highs were that Jeremy posted yesterday-yesterday's record high in Lawrence was 69 from 1939 and today's is 70 from 1965. Just interesting.

I have to admit that I have paid little attention to the storm about to affect us and below are the reasons why. Like yesterday, I am kind of going out on a limb and really leaving my “comfort zone” and/or leaving where I should stay given my barely hobbyist knowledge-but, here goes nothing!!!

1. Keeping score from home and being a historian by trade here is kind of where I think we are and then what followed: I think we are in the pattern currently that we were in around 11-17-18. For sure, this has been mentioned on the Blog and I am not trying to take away from anybody’s thoughts but this is where I think we are based on my own looking at the maps. Thus, going from that date, we had the fairly strong cold front on 11-21 the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. The ensuing 7-10 days after that time period were pretty normal temperature wise with a few ups and downs (with one rain to snow event the Saturday after Thanksgiving) but then we had the stronger cold push of 11-30 that washed out and then the warm front on steroids on 12-1. That of course was all followed by the big clipper of 12-5 that “unleashed the Hounds”


2. With number 1 in mind, I have been following with interest the clipper type system that the models have pronged for Thursday as I think that is the signal for the transition into the more active pattern. To my very untrained eye, Thursday correlates/corresponds to the cold push of 11-21. There was a weak 850 low that tracked north of us on that date and then intensified as it headed east with a weak 500 low sitting over Nebraska that also intensified and closed off as it headed east. Looking at what the models have been showing from run to run for Thursday is to me very similar. They show a semi weak 850 low that will usher down the colder air here as well as a weak upper level low almost in the same spot as on 11-21: over Nebraska. Both are also forecasted as of now to intensify as they head east-Incredible!!!!

3. Based on the last few runs of the 0z and 12Zz operational GFS and Euro (my weather site is having problems with the ensembles so I have been going on the operational runs only) the 7-10 days from this Thursday onwards seems to be looking similar to the last week of November with a more truly active pattern showing itself towards the end of next week. They are also off and on showing the build up the cold air in the NWT, Nunavut, and far North Eastern Canada as well as the polar vortex entering the Hudson Bay. Temperatures in these areas are also showing the build up of the cold air.

4. Finally, to restate or sum up:  I think that this cold push Thursday is a very big signal that we are about to begin the transition into the active period once again.

All these points being said, this whole blog entry is very likely sitting on a bed of sand (to quote my thesis advisor about some of my ideas LOL) and for sure there is not much if any originality to this as much of these ideas have been discussed in previous Blogs. I will also fully admit that I do not have any where close to enough meteorological knowledge to back any of these ideas and there is a very high probability that I am sitting in the parking lot instead of the stadium-but man to me this is just amazing!!!! I really think I see it!!! LOL-God Bless Marty Moose to quote Chevy Chase!!!!

Well, I have really done it this time-this particular entry is most likely way too long to be on the Blog and I do apologize for that-I just wasn’t sure if I should post it here or email you but then I didn’t want to clog up your email either. But right now I am pretty fired up about this whole thing!!! Please though, if it is deemed too long remove it!!!!

Have a great day and as always thanks for reading and more importantly for all the times you have responded to my rambles and for providing me with the information to learn so much!!!! For me personally that is just fantastic beyond words!!!!

Bill in Lawrence
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Bill,

WOW!  Your blog entry says it all!  I believe you are almost right on.  It is amazing to me how you can see the LRC and that most of the world can't, or refuse to see it.  Isn't it almost obvious.  I agree we are moving through mid November right now.  Everything is right on schedule, and it doesn't even matter when you look at a day 10 model forecast.  If you know the LRC, then you know that the model at day 10 has a good idea or it is just way off.  This is one of the areas where the LRC helps us with the tremendous advantage over the competition, but it also helps big time as these storm systems approach in the short term.  It think you can see how all of these storm systems have a relationship to the "long term" longwave trough and ridge positions.  One of the longwaves is likely over Missouri this year.  This is why as bands of energy are moving through the west coast they reorganize right here.  It is happening tonight, and it is happening again later this week.

Great analysis.  Everyone should read your entry today.  I couldn't say it too much better.  The dates, cycle, etc.   TIGHT, as you would say.

Gary

January 7, 2008 5:15 AM
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