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Arctic air watch.....and some snow today...January 10th

Good afternoon bloggers,

We are issuing an ARCTIC AIR WATCH for the second half of January!  More on the build up of some very cold air across Canada in just a moment.  But, first snow is likely over about half of the viewing area this afternoon.

Snow is now falling in the new band of precipitation moving in from the northwest.  It will track east and a bit southeast pivoting across our local region this afternoon. It should be well off to the east by around the evening rush hour.  There is already around 1 inch accumulation of snow near Maryville in Nodaway county.  The area northwest of Topeka is the area we will watch closely.  It may only barely get as far south as the south side of the metro area.  Once again, the areas farther south have the least likelyhood of getting this band.  Look below at the noon radar image.

Radar noon.gif


 

Now, let's look ahead.  According to the LRC we should be going back into the same part of the weather pattern, that produced our cold and wet December, in about a week.  The stormier part of the pattern should arrive a week or so after the first very cold surge.  And, no shock to us even though it is absolutely fascinating, it is now showing up on every mid range model including the GFS, ECMWF, UKMET, and Canadian models.  Look below at this mornings 168 hour map.  This is just the beginning, as stronger Arctic air masses are forecast to develop between day 7 and day 15.  It will likely be colder this time than in December, and the storm systems will also likely be a bit stronger.  But, they aren't showing up yet.  This is where the LRC is our huge advantage in forecasting.  We "know" that it is coming.  And, now so do you:

GFS Jan17th 500.gif

The second map below is also valid next Thursday morning.  Look how cold the GFS is forecasting it to get, and this is due north of us.  30 to 40 degrees below zero air.  I am not sure if a true Arctic blast will come down, but we will be dealing with this for about a month.  The cold air will get pushed in and out of here as the storm systems move by between January 20th and February 20th.  And, remember this will be coming back again around mid March for one last winter finale. 

GFS temps Jan 17th.bmp

We will be tracking this interesting winter development for the next few days and weeks.  In the mean time let us know if you see any snowflakes.  Have a great day! 

Tonight on NBC Action News we will be covering these weather developments.  If you have any ideas for the weathercasts we welcome any and all suggestions!  We will try to answer as many of your comments as possible today.

Gary

Published Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:22 AM by glezak

Comments

 

jacob said:

Gary,
Still raining here in Lee's Summit. Everything looks like a pond. REALLY! Anyway, hope it snows later! We might be on the edge, but just a few snowflakes will make me happy. LOVE the Artic Air Watch! I can't wait until this comes. It should be really interesting and fun! I'm on board now Gary! I can't tell you how happy I was when I saw that new blog and it said what it did! Buckle up everybody...this is going to be a wild ride! YIIIPPPPEEEEEEEE!!!! BRING ON THE ARTIC AIR!!!! See you all later!
January 10, 2008 12:14 PM
 

Fred said:

Gary,

It is amazing to watch this take place...that is truly all i can say.

Fred
January 10, 2008 12:15 PM
 

Elaine said:

In December, all the storms seemed to happen on the weekends, only affecting church.  Will be interesting to see if they happen during the week this time-around - we may have more snow days?!
January 10, 2008 12:16 PM
 

youngitized said:

Gary and Weather Team,

At noon in Topeka it is snowing. Nothing accumulating on the ground, but it is snowing.

Ryan

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Ryan,

Thanks for the report!

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 12:16 PM
 

aviator said:

Fascinating, Gary.  Nice work and I can't wait to see your model get validated in the next couple of months!

Dan
January 10, 2008 12:18 PM
 

Scott said:

Nice view of the pending cold.  I have said it before..regardless of the method to track the cycle, while amazing - it gets rather mundane knowing what is going to happen weeks or months ahead - sometimes even to the day.

Gary, you have shown the upper level signs pointing to this, and as you know I have taken a stab at showing the surface trend pointing to this...

What more is needed?  Is it scientific?  No.  But even when we cannot define something in science and nature, when we see it happen time and time again...I think we begin to accept it as real regardless...

Maybe that is just me.  And maybe it makes sense not to go through the scientific rigors and prove it scientifically, instead conserve and redirect that focus at further defining and refining that of "what is not there"

LOL

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Scott,

The LRC is scientific.  We haven't proven it mathematically yet, but it is there and one day it will be proven. 

Anyway, let's see how it brings us some weather excitement.  This is really my main emphasis, enjoying the exciting weather.

Gary

January 10, 2008 12:21 PM
 

BrianJayhawk said:

it never fails!! I comment and then a new post comes!!
the light rain has changed into light snow out in Lawrence!  By the looks of the radar more is coming!

But i asked earlier about the lrc, I've heard you say that it strengthens but can those same waves shift up or down keeping their same shape?

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The storm systems this season are all related in some way.  They are all falling into their "long term" longwave positions in the part of the cycle.  Each time through the cycle the storm systems could be farther north or south depending on certain factors, but there is also a rather consitency to them as well.  This is why areas north of a Lawrence to KCI to Chillicothe line have been hit by almost every one thus far.

Gary

January 10, 2008 12:22 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Gary, it is absolutely fascinating to watch the actual weather pattern evolve in accordance with your long-range predictions for January and February, based on the LRC.  As stated in an earlier blog comment I made after your very interesting long-range forecast in the blog of Jan. 3, you will have made me a true believer in the LRC if the weather in KC for the rest of January and February falls in line with your Jan. 3 forecast!!!  In my lifetime I've lived in Connecticut, Texas, and KC and you are far and away the best and most accurate meteorologist I've ever seen.  Proving the validity of the LRC with the scientific community through the peer review process could be the crown jewel of your accomplishments!  I wish you success.

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Thank you so much!  This season will be a great case study for the LRC.  And, now that we are using it more in forecasting the weather and it is being documented it will help the efforts.

Gary

January 10, 2008 12:22 PM
 

Scott said:

Elaine, based on the 54 day cycle duration, what happened in December on the weekends now should materialize in the middle of the week.

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Scott,

Only if it is exactly 54 days.  In the past few years, we have seen one cycle be one to five days off of another cycle.  It is close, but to be exact would be amazing.  I don't expect the storm systems to fall in line with the exact 54 days, but it will be close.

Gary

January 10, 2008 12:23 PM
 

Scott said:

Gary, even with the weaker signals in the cycle, we seem to be rather close on events from top to bottom.

January 10, 2008 12:27 PM
 

W0XDL said:

It is snowing in eastern Jackson County...24 and 7 highways!  I can't get outside but the sidewalk looks like it still raining too.  Nothing sticking but even as I have been typing it has picked up in intensity.

DL
January 10, 2008 12:28 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

Weather Team, just before 12:15 it began snowing up here in Leavenworth.
January 10, 2008 12:28 PM
 

TylerMac said:

HUGE!!!!! Snow flakes here in Independence that are the size of golf balls!!!!!

January 10, 2008 12:30 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Sorry Gary, you gave your January-February long-range prediction based on the LRC in the Jan. 2 blog, not Jan. 3.  I should have double-checked the date before posting, my bad.
January 10, 2008 12:31 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

Right now we are in that clear path on the radar S- right now in 20 minutes it should be back to SN then SN+ by 1330 hrs.  How long will this last band take to rotate through?   The grass is mostly covered, as are cars, walks and streets are slushy.  Now it is 31.9 out side.  
January 10, 2008 12:33 PM
 

weatherinkc1 said:

No changeover here in western KCK yet, still have light rain falling.

Bryan
January 10, 2008 12:33 PM
 

Scott said:

Gary, look at the below link...

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwpara/analysis/namer/gfs/12/fp0_324.shtml

Look at the wickedly negatively tilted trough approaching this area showing up on the 850mb.  On Jan 24th.

This is unbelievabe.  Recently I have wished I hadn't learned the LRC and the ins/outs of it or the surface trending.  It really does take away some of the fun I had with severe modelitis and the ensuing roller coaster of run to run forecasting.

Its kinda like finding out there is no Santa Clause.  [thank goodness there is]

;-)
January 10, 2008 12:34 PM
 

tinaalsgirl said:

Holy cow! I'm in Independence, too... It's raining, but we're also having snowflakes ranging the size of half-dollar to silver dollars. The flakes are falling as fast as rain does; not a bit of swirling or twirling. Just dropping.

This is amazing!!!
January 10, 2008 12:34 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

No snow and very little rain falling currently in NKC
January 10, 2008 12:35 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I just took my dogs outside and it was raining here.  I did not see any snowflakes but saw some puddles.

How much precip has fallen so far?

Kristi in south Raytown

January 10, 2008 12:36 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

weatherinkc,

Im near Walmart?  Was just curious what part of KCK your in?  its amazing I've seen your posts before and your precipitation amounts are different from mine at times.   Wild how weather can be isn't it?

Stacy
January 10, 2008 12:38 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

As of noon, downtown airport has received 0.59 inches of precip today.  KCI has received 0.44 inches.
January 10, 2008 12:39 PM
 

weatherinkc1 said:

5kck I'm right across from Sandstone at 130th and State Avenue. By the way everyone....have you all seen all the Tornado Warnings being issued right now down south?

Bryan
January 10, 2008 12:45 PM
 

Mark M said:

Starting to see some flakes here in western KCK.
January 10, 2008 12:46 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Whether you believe in the LRC (I do) or not, you have to admit that it is pretty fascinating. :)  

Kristi
January 10, 2008 12:46 PM
 

Barbara said:

This is one of those few times where I wish it would snow.  I hate cold rain like we have today.  I'd take snow over this any time. Too bad I live in the rain zone.  
January 10, 2008 12:47 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

    Hello Weather Team,  So as far as accumulation here in metro, what should we expcect any snow on the pavement?  I know it's one storm at a time, but any accumulations with the snow shower on Saturday? Thanks and keep up the great work Gary, Jeff, Brett and Jeremy!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No accumulation expected today or Saturday.  Our chances of accumulations are ahead of us.

Gary

January 10, 2008 12:47 PM
 

Barbara said:

Tornado Warnings where, weatherinkc?
January 10, 2008 12:47 PM
 

weatherinkc1 said:

Mark- I was just about to say 'weve got flakes people!'

Bryan
January 10, 2008 12:48 PM
 

Brent said:

Ouch!!'

another  "could be massive snowstorm"

its hard not to imagine these half inch and 3/4 inch rain events as snowstorms...after allwe are in the very heart of winte rnow...and it is January!

we recieved over 3/4 inches of rain all last night and continuing now.....and we got over an inch from the last one....I am only dreaming of the snows we could have gotten....

I am slightly encouraged by the arctic air watch...although I doubt it will go as far south as Harrisonville...lol

Also I have a suggestion for the weathercasts...I think I would be cool if you guys did a few more graphics.....like when we are expecting a storm..you could make a time line graphic...or a graphic telling people how some forms of precipitation happen....not for me obviously...but for the other viewers....I think that would add greatly to your popularity...since I like those special graphics.....it seems that one "station"...does quite a few of these...and I think they are great....of course...it would be nice if they were right like you guys...lol

I am becoming more and more impatient for a snowflake...

good job on the forecast team....although I seem to think you underestimated the rain totals a bit?

Brent

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Brent,

Yes, I am very surprised about how much rain has fallen.  I am up to 0.70" in Overland Park. 

We do like doing those graphics.  As storm systems are coming in we will try to add some of those explainers in there!

Gary

January 10, 2008 12:48 PM
 

W0XDL said:

And like turning off a light, the snow is all gone in eastern Jackson County.

DL
January 10, 2008 12:50 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

      there are tornado wanings in Mississippi, Tennesse, Alabama
January 10, 2008 12:52 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

This isnt looking good. : (  at all.

The precip to our west is falling apart rapidly. I hope it can stay together and reach leavenworth before falling apart.
January 10, 2008 12:52 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Barbara, for a good national perspective on current watches and warnings, go to www.spc.noaa.gov/products/wwa.  Tornado warnings are currently active in Miss. and Alabama.
January 10, 2008 12:52 PM
 

Brent said:

golf ball sized snowflakes eh?...that would be something to see..I got the priviledge of seeing them for 2 hours last april.....it was phenomenal...we got almost 2 inches an hour!

it would be cool to see them again.....I have a new high speed camera that would take better pictures of it.......
January 10, 2008 12:54 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Tornado warnings in Tenn. too.  Chiefsfan is on his game. :)
January 10, 2008 12:54 PM
 

zeusthegreat said:

Is an "arctic air watch' an official product?  I haven't seen anything from the NWS about it?

Can you elaborate?

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This isn't from the NWS.  We are letting people know to 'watch out' for a very cold airmass later in January.  Gary has detailed this in past blogs and just wanted to put the Arctic Air Watch out there today.

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 12:56 PM
 

dougbce said:

Tornadoes all over the Southeast
* AT 1236 PM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR AND STORM      SPOTTERS ARE TRACKING A CONFIRMED TORNADO...NORTH OF COFFEVILLE        ALABAMA AS OF 1238 PM CST.  THE TORNADO IS NOW LOCATED 10 MILES        SOUTHWEST OF OPINE...OR ABOUT 19 MILES SOUTHEAST OF                    BUTLER...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH.
January 10, 2008 1:01 PM
 

marlina10 said:

We are flying to Mexico for a much needed vacation in February and I am crossing my fingers so hard that one of those big storms doesn't pummel us on the day we are supposed to fly out or back in! =)
January 10, 2008 1:02 PM
 

simplykristi said:

zeus,
It's not an official product issued from the NWS.  It means that Gary is forecasting arctic air.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:04 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I better be watching those storms down in AL...  My dad has a sister and her family there.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:05 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Tornado watch #17 is a PDS, or Particularly Dangerous Situation, for southern La. (including New Orleans), SE Miss, the NW half of Alabama, and central Tenn.  Looks like the poor folks under that watch may suffer through something similar to what southern Mo. experienced a couple of days ago. :(
January 10, 2008 1:06 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Tornado watch #17 is a PDS, or Particularly Dangerous Situation, for southern La. (including New Orleans), SE Miss, the NW half of Alabama, and central Tenn.  Looks like the poor folks under that watch may suffer through something similar to what southern Mo. experienced a couple of days ago. :(
January 10, 2008 1:06 PM
 

Brett34 said:

Olathe 13:12 cst obsvervation:
37.8 degrees and falling steadily with light rain now mixing with big wet flakes.
W NW wind 7 mph.  What a strange storm!  Very fun watching though.
January 10, 2008 1:13 PM
 

dougbce said:

already on watch #17 and just a few days ago we we're watch #1.
January 10, 2008 1:14 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The first watch of the year was the Tornado Watch for Johnson, Lafayette, and Cass Counties in MO and Linn County KS on Monday, January 7th.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:17 PM
 

Barbara said:

Brett...you've got flakes in Olathe?  I've just got rain.  
January 10, 2008 1:17 PM
 

Brett34 said:

simplykristi:
This year is going to be active to say the least.  I cannot beleive all the severe weather going on, watch #17?  That's insane !  Im sure your family will be ok, if your anything like me, your probably calling them every ten minutes with an update, better safe then not at all, right?
January 10, 2008 1:21 PM
 

dougbce said:

Kristi check out this link for Mississippi State University.......crazy!
http://www.emergency.msstate.edu/

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If anyone is interested in watching the tornado coverage in the South and Southeast tune into Weather Plus.  They are showing streaming coverage from some of the NBC affiliates in the affected areas.

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 1:23 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

well it is either getting ready to start or stop the flakes are big again . . . but not many. . . i do not know moisture from work but i bet .40 is all we have had up here normal for Jan as a month is only 1.05 but we have been hanging in at 34.8 to 33.8 then 31.9 or so all day one or two degrees colder and it would all have been 4 inches of snow. . . .well this is tha last SN to SN+ band rotating through right now.
January 10, 2008 1:24 PM
 

BrianJayhawk said:

Gary- thanks for the answer. I was just sitting at work wondering how consistent the pattern is over the same areas. I'm wishing for a major storm and it seems like it needs to shift ever so slightly south to really dump on Lawrence!

Brian
January 10, 2008 1:26 PM
 

Brett34 said:

Barbara,  yes at 119th and Renner.  Let me go check again......
Yes, its still doing it, but it is very showery type, just like the other day.  It switching back and forth and the snow falls very breifly and then back to rain.  We are now sitting at 37.1 degrees, my last post a couple minutes ago we were at 37.8, so the colder air is now working in on the backside.  I notice that the wrap around precip. is diminishing somewhat, but seems to be an area of precip. right around our area that is growing, kind of like a morphing/transitional phase.  

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It may keep doing this for a while before turning to all snow.  With temps near or above freezing in most spots.  The roads should stay wet this afternoon.

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 1:27 PM
 

Brent said:

how cold....will the arctic air be?
January 10, 2008 1:29 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Looks like my dad's sister is not in the danger zone yet.  The weather is off to their S and W.

Looks like the county that MS State Univ. is located in is under a Tornado Warning.  A tornado was headed towards Starkville.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:29 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I don't get WeatherPlus, Jeremy.  :(  We have satellite TV.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:30 PM
 

mbmeek said:

It appears that you and a meteorologist at another local station have thrown down the gauntlet in your respective blogs. He calls for an invasion of milder air from next week into February. He says “this particular shift in the pattern is not similar to what happened leading into December,” (which, incidentally, sounds like it is directed at you.) And, he says, “winter looks like it may be living on borrowed time,”

Meanwhile, you issue an “Arctic Air Watch” for the exact same period in question and predict a period of frequent winter precipitation for our region.

It is going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. Your viewpoints are diametrically opposed and someone is going to end up looking…well….wrong.
January 10, 2008 1:30 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Just fyi for anyone who may not be aware of this, watch numbers are issued sequentially by the Storm Prediction Center ("SPC") for tornado or severe thunderstorm watches.  In other words, if the next watch issued by the SPC after tornado watch #17 is a severe thunderstorm watch, that watch would be severe thunderstorm watch #18.  If it is a tornado watch, it would be tornado watch #18.  So the watch number gives the total number combined of tornado and severe thunderstorm watches issued in the current year.
January 10, 2008 1:31 PM
 

simplykristi said:

WOW  A tornado is headed towards the Mississippi State Univ, campus.  I hope that everyone there is safe and in shelter!

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:32 PM
 

littlenorth said:

In Hamilton just east of Cameron the snow has covered the yards and the roads are white and slushy.
In Chillicothe the snow just began and it is still switching to rain every so often,

Weatherteam.. a request for the newscasts... please don't forget us small towns its hard to get an acurate forecast when you live outside of the city.  Even just 30 to 45 miniutes north of the metro can make a big difference in weather.  It seems like you mention north of the metro alot but that can mean anything from St Joe/Maryville all the east over to Chillicothe.

Thanks.
January 10, 2008 1:32 PM
 

kwalls said:

Am I reading this correctly? I was looking at the GFS 00Z on 348 and the storm that affected us on the first of December is starting to show up. Also it looks like a Artic Cold Wave is moving down right in front of this storm. Now yes I know that it's 384 hours out and a lot can change, but according to the LRC this is right on pace for what we had experienced on the first of December. Prior to that storm, the same storms that we got the day before Thanksgiving and right after are showing up on the GFS. Maybe we should rename the GFS to the LRC since it seems to show exactly what you’re talking about. Of course I could be way way way off base on this one.
January 10, 2008 1:34 PM
 

Brent said:

yay the new weather and news midday startes next monday!

what time will the weather segments be Jeremy?
January 10, 2008 1:34 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

yah, I been trying to watch Weather Plus, but for some reason here in Olathe we have real weak signal for KSHB-DT, and Weather PLUS. All the other DT channels are coming in fine, and we use a Roof Antenna.
January 10, 2008 1:38 PM
 

Brent said:

"I was looking at the GFS 00Z on 348 and the storm that affected us on the first of December is starting to show up. Also it looks like a Artic Cold Wave is moving down right in front of this storm. Now yes I know that it's 384 hours out and a lot can change, but according to the LRC this is right on pace for what we had experienced on the first of December."

very very interesting......looks like the LRC is cycling now!
January 10, 2008 1:39 PM
 

ethalo said:

YES!!!! :):)
SNOWING IN OLATHE...ON HIGH SCHOOL AREA. 1:40 P.M.
(not big flakes, but it is snow!)
January 10, 2008 1:39 PM
 

Jayhawk said:

Snow in Olathe, K-10 area.  Just wanted to let you know.  Haven't been on the blog for a while but ready to participate more often.  Kinda happens when you are a newlywed...lol  

Don
January 10, 2008 1:40 PM
 

dougbce said:

1:26pm: At approximately 1:25 p.m., a tornado was reported less than 5 miles away on Highway 12 moving toward the Starkville campus. Seek a safe location immediately.

Look out Mississippi State!
January 10, 2008 1:41 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

Oh so not fair... I see only rain in my part of KCK
January 10, 2008 1:42 PM
 

dougbce said:

kristi weatherplus is on line
January 10, 2008 1:44 PM
 

Brent said:

This is a big storm...is this the one thats producing the severe weather in the south?....we are kind of in the middle...no severe weather...but no snow either...lol
January 10, 2008 1:44 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Jeremy or Gary,
Any storm reports out of Starkville MS yet?

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:45 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Thanks, Doug, I didn't realize that or had forgotten. :)

Kristi
January 10, 2008 1:46 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

So far in the NKC-Gladstone area I've not seen a single snowflake (although I haven't been looking out the window constantly, either).  OOOPS!  Wouldn't you know it, I just looked out and a few fat flakes are beginning to fall!!!
January 10, 2008 1:47 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Brent, yes this is the same storm.  We're near the comma head, while down south they are enduring the cold front of the storm advancing into warm, humid air with a strong jet stream overhead.
January 10, 2008 1:49 PM
 

littlenorth said:

Where are you guys finding all the tornado info..

Also I am feeling the need to change my user name to MIZZOU to represent amongst all the jayhawks :)
January 10, 2008 1:50 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Don't know where the snow is - it's still rain here in Southeast Raytown

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You'll see some snowflakes...they arrived in Olathe and KCI.  Just don't expect any accumulations. 

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 1:53 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

littlenorth, I was thinking of doing that as well, haha.
January 10, 2008 1:57 PM
 

MelissaLG said:

Does anyone know what it's doing in Lee's Summit?  I live in LS (southeast side) but work in Overland Park.  Still looks rainy in OP right now (63rd & Metcalf area).

Thanks!

littlenorth:  I hear ya; working in KS, I'm a MIZZOU person in the midst of a bunch of hawks!
January 10, 2008 1:57 PM
 

dougbce said:

littlenorth, I use this one
http://kamala.cod.edu/svr/
January 10, 2008 1:58 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I have only seen a handful of snowflakes here in south Raytown.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 2:00 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

Not a suprise at all, the snow goes POOF for all of you down in KC.
Here in LV i expect some snow, not for long and much but better than nothing.

Its snowing now.
January 10, 2008 2:01 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I use NOAA or storm.2k.org

Kristi
January 10, 2008 2:02 PM
 

KC_Hams said:

We had about 5 minutes of flurries in the Crown Center area around 1:45pm.
January 10, 2008 2:06 PM
 

Barbara said:

I don't have snow in my part of Olathe...it's barely even raining.  Strange.
January 10, 2008 2:07 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

littlenorth, there are several ways to find this information, I don't know which is "the best," but I often go to the National Weather Service website, www.weather.gov. Normally on my computer, this page loads with the national map showing the current watches and warnings.  I click on the part of the national map I am interested in, which takes me to a web page for a local national weather service office that features a more close-up map of watches and warnings, and then I click on the particular part of that map that I am interested in.  The particular warning you clicked on will be one of the things you can click on to read the actual warning text.  You can also get a chronological listing of tornado warnings, starting with the most recent, through the Storm Prediction Center website, www.spc.noaa.gov, clicking on "Watch/Warning Map" along the left side of the page, then looking under the watch/warning map once that page comes up and clicking on the red "Tornado Warning" wording.  I'm sure other bloggers have their own favorite methods.  Hope this posting isn't too confusing...
January 10, 2008 2:08 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

dougbce, I like the data presentation in the link you provided littlenorth.  I've not seen that one before.  I wish I knew how to place hyperlinks into my blog entries.
January 10, 2008 2:11 PM
 

Elaine said:

Barbara I haven't seen any snow either, at 119th & Pflumm. You're just south of me.

littlenorth, wow, I was wondering why New York schools (rural Missouri) were dismissing early. Thanks for posting!
January 10, 2008 2:17 PM
 

Kcchamps said:

snowing IN INDEPENDENCE AT 2:21
January 10, 2008 2:21 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

All rain for me today. No flakes, :o(   Glad to see the precip though. Maybe next time I will see some flakes.
Monica
Pleasanton
January 10, 2008 2:26 PM
 

Watkins Gal said:

It has been snowing in Ray County near Lawson since approx. 10:00ish this morning.  Big flakes, little flakes, clumps, flurries...etc...still coming down now, big flakes and lots of 'em.  Approx 1/2" accumulation of slush!
January 10, 2008 2:27 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

About an inch of wet snow at my house with water drops and chunks of slush falling off the trees!!!!!   yes the ground is white again, and even if the arctic air doesn't come down in one huge slam, with the strong jet and the colder air than december to the north that should create a stronger temp gradient hence wow I'm drooling!
January 10, 2008 2:27 PM
 

littlenorth said:

Thanks for all the links on the tornado watches guys!
January 10, 2008 2:31 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

Heavy snow in leavenworth!
January 10, 2008 2:32 PM
 

Kcchamps said:

HEAVY SNOW in indep. now!!!
January 10, 2008 2:32 PM
 

Joplinwxman said:

Gary,
I hope your getting a little snow up there.  We are just seeing a light drizzle, so much fun, lol.  Well the GFS keeps falling back into the LRC.  No worries bud, looks more and more like some sort of very cold air moving in.  Plus, we are getting back into that December pattern here in about 13 days.  Enjoy your little snow.
Doug
January 10, 2008 2:33 PM
 

kellyann said:

Elaine, up North where you are talking about, the roads are slick. My parents live in Albany, Mo and mother said the ground was covered up there, AGAIN!

sedsinkc, I do my hyperlinks when Im working in microsoft word.
January 10, 2008 2:33 PM
 

littlenorth said:

Kellyann....I am in Chillicothe at work and headed home to Hamilton  in a few.. the main roads are not that bad just more slushy but the side roads in the hamilton area are snow covered..that is about 11 miles east of cameron mo.

New york schools are in the Braymer area not that far from Polo...Caldwell County.
January 10, 2008 2:39 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

well NICK called it. . . I would add a "Thick Inch" S- right now with the NNW wind picking up it will all freeze hard tonite and then reflect the sun tomarrow real good. . . so we will continue to be 5 degrees coolder than KC.  I bet we got .50 liquid.  almost half the Jan normal.    In a non storm event!!
January 10, 2008 2:43 PM
 

nikieis said:

i have off and on light snow by worlds of fun  and 36 degrees.

*************

Thank you for posting!

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 2:50 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

Cant wait for the active weather to come!!

***************

Me too;)

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 2:52 PM
 

soulwinnerrj said:

It started snowing around 2 pm here in Leavenworth.

January 10, 2008 2:53 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

little over a dusting in LV. maybe .2 inches. looks nice.

****************

Sounds good...thanks for the report!

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 2:54 PM
 

kcroyals05 said:

Gary and the weather team.   Just got home and saw the ponding in my backyard.  Oh goody, muddy dog paws...   we had .60 inches of rain here in Grandview.

Bill Hale

**************

Bill,

Thanks for the report.  Bonus rain in January!  We need the moisture.  Although some would like snow I'm sure!

Jeremy

January 10, 2008 2:57 PM
 

Brent said:

Not one snowflake here yet...and I have been watching.....lol another bust storm for Harrisonville......we don't even see snowflakes anymore!..LOL

ovbiously not a bust FORECAST because I did watch the "special weathercast" and I heard you say that we may not even see any flakes...although it finally dropped from 30 to 35!

why did you say the weather cast would be special Gary?.....
January 10, 2008 3:16 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Another snow burst with HUGE flakes:):):):)
January 10, 2008 3:16 PM
 

wxgoober said:

All this talk about the LRC, and STILL no forecast for Tulsa?
January 10, 2008 3:24 PM
 

kellyann said:

Hey Brent, I thought I saw a lil snowflake out the window here in Belton, but nah....it was just a stupid ole speck on the window :(
January 10, 2008 3:28 PM
 

Brent said:

LOL no snow in Belton either...I seriously look out the window ever 10 seconds....
January 10, 2008 3:31 PM
 

kellyann said:

OMG! Brent, I don't believe it!!! It is some snow flakes, for real!!
January 10, 2008 3:31 PM
 

weathermom said:

Any new details on the Saturday 30% chance?  Always looking ahead....:)
January 10, 2008 3:32 PM
 

Brent said:

In Belton?....how big!?
January 10, 2008 3:33 PM
 

KC_Hams said:

Moderate to heavy snow in the Crown Center area right now.
January 10, 2008 3:34 PM
 

Brent said:

so close!!!......
January 10, 2008 3:36 PM
 

kellyann said:

Brent, they are little snowflakes, but they are flying around!! I will put a big fan outside and try to blow them your way just for some excitement!
January 10, 2008 3:38 PM
 

Brent said:

LOL sadly, despite your efforts...I think Harrisonville is going to go another storm without seeing flakes...

thanks though...lol

Brent

---------------

Brent,

We thought you would get missed today by the snow.  Oh please let's get you a snowstorm in February.

Gary 

January 10, 2008 3:41 PM
 

Ronnie said:

Couple questions for you ...
A while ago, you mentioned that this year was looking very similar to a year we had a few decades back (or maybe it was longer - can't recall).  Considering the stormy December we had, is that still the case?
Also, does your LRC apply only to Kansas City, or is it global?  If it's local, what do you believe allows us to experience a cycle when those around us do not?
Thanks.
-r-

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R,

The LRC applies to the Northern Hemisphere.  So, it will work for Los Angeles, London, and Kansas City.  I have never really spent much time on Europe though.

And, it was 1959-1960 that had a similar pattern to what we are in this year.

Gary

January 10, 2008 3:47 PM
 

kellyann said:

Brent, bummer!!!  It stopped already!
January 10, 2008 3:52 PM
 

nastyweather said:

No snow for me either, oh well this was just a primer for the really good stuff later this month.

Brent I suggested a week back that we should "borrow" a snowmaking machine from Snow Creek and bury you in a few feet.  Would that be enough to take care of that horrible snow itch you just can't seem to scratch or will the fake stuff not suffice?
January 10, 2008 3:59 PM
 

Barbara said:

It never did snow at my house.  Not that I'm complaining. ;)
January 10, 2008 4:04 PM
 

radman22 said:

Since the LRC is a cycle that can be used anywhere, would it not seem that this year will be very active throughout the US with all the big storms to hit.    Will this years pattern help the SE with the severe drought, since they have been having some good rains since the cycle year started?

It was difficult to see the cycle last year since the pattern was very boring, this year should help validate all your work.   It is amazing to see the long range models come around slowly.     The next 3 months should be very exciting.  

Joe
January 10, 2008 4:19 PM
 

WinterTracker said:

Gary, when do you think the first real snowstorm might
happen?
January 10, 2008 4:41 PM
 

Braysmama said:

Checked my rain gauge in Kingsville-today we received .70 and for the month we are up to 1.5. Not bad for January! Too bad it wasn't all snow. ;)
January 10, 2008 4:42 PM
 

siraluce said:

0.74 inches at KCK near N 18th and State.   Wow.. impressive total.

0.36 inches fell with the system on January 8th.

The monthly total so far in January is 1.10 inches.. a very decent start to the new year.

A trace of snowfall here with a very brief period of big flakes around 3:30 PM.  

January 10, 2008 4:45 PM
 

dougbce said:

Gary I'm afraid to ask what the weather did in 1959-1960?
January 10, 2008 4:50 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Gary,

What is your quantitative threshold for an arctic outbreak here in KS?  Three days with sub-zero lows?  

Thanks!

----------------

Notes,

This is really a good question.  I really haven't defined what a real Arctic outbreak would be.  Your idea of three days in a row with sub zero temperatures would certainly be one.  But, sometimes we can get an Arctic blast and it will last for 36 hours.  What do you think the definition should be?

Gary

January 10, 2008 5:05 PM
 

Brent said:

well officialy no snow here today...although its 32 now...  -_-

I want a really good Feb.......10 snowstorms +!!!!
January 10, 2008 5:29 PM
 

Scott said:

Notes I was kinda thinking that too.

dougbce, 59-60 was a hoot.  Hang on.

Jeremy - store up on your sleep now.  You will not sleep this Spring.  I assure you.


January 10, 2008 5:30 PM
 

Scott said:

wxgoober - you might try getting your Tulsa forecast on Brett's blog.  Otherwise, try a local outlet.
January 10, 2008 5:32 PM
 

Brent said:

did you push the snow and the cold temps back to thursday?

--------------

Brent,

There isn't a storm showing up with the cold front yet.  The chance of snow is slim for later next week, which of course may change fast.  The bigger storm systems are due in later in the month and especially in February.

The cold front is still timed for Wednesday, but the colder air arrives a day later.  At least this is what it looks like right now.

Gary

January 10, 2008 5:35 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Scott:  I don't have a "blogger" login for your page, so I'll post my question for you here regarding your "long range" forecast:

I've gotta give you props for putting your forecast out there with such specifics - quantitative threshholds which will make your forecast have some teeth.  I can't help but think some is tied to model progs (rather than just cycles)...and one way to drop that question is to make it even more long range.

I'm curious why you (and Lezak) won't just run your forecasts out through the summer ... if these cycles are so consistent and solid, not to mention so straightforward that the trends repeat every 54 days, why not run it out 6-8 months?

-------------------

Notes,

This is something we may try to do.  But, as you have been noticing over the past three years we are just starting  to make forecasts based on the LRC.   It is under a microscope, so let's take it one step at a time.  Forecasting what will happen with the same pattern in March, April, May, and June is going to be tough.  It isn't as linear as Scott is saying.  Even though our latest forecast looks like it will have a strong potential for some amazing accuracy, we still are just testing to see how our forecast pans out.  It is amazing that there can be any accuracy at all, but it makes sense as we have learned more.  We will attempt another long range forecast as we move into February.

Gary

January 10, 2008 5:42 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well the slushy snow is still on the ground here, tomorrow morning the side walks will be pretty icy around st. Joe with the watery/slush/snow mixture freezing if we clear out. And at least for tonight the ground is white again except for  some areas that are right under thick trees.
January 10, 2008 5:59 PM
 

John Moon III _Weather Enthusiast_ said:

no snow here in Clinton, just rain :( but it was a nice soaking :) and now I am very excited for the upcoming weeks :D even if I do have to go back to college on monday :P
January 10, 2008 6:00 PM
 

Greg said:

Tuesday looks awesome!
January 10, 2008 6:03 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Gary,

Fair enough - I'll keep my eyes open for your future long range forecasts.  Thanks for the response.

Regarding the arctic air, I think 3 consecutive days with sub-zero lows is a fairly good threshhold for a true "arctic outbreak" as we can see occasional sub-zero lows even with more zonal flow (read:  not of arctic origin) if we get the right recipe of snowcover, calm winds, and clear skies.  Do you agree?

------------------

This is going to be a grey area for me.  I think that 3 days in a row 5 degrees or below should be enough for our local area.  Or 3 days in a row below 20 degrees for highs.  What do you think?  Given the pattern we have, I wonder if either of these will be met this year?  I think it will be close, but with this pattern, if the storm systems come back according to the LRC, then there will be storm after storm for a while preventing true Arctic air for more than a day or two.

Gary

January 10, 2008 6:04 PM
 

Scott said:

Notes, I will be happy to run it out.  I will put that into one of my next entries.  I have confidence in it.

Shall I drop the thought of another April freeze again?  Yup...its there.

As far as wondering about model progs.  

Start with this posted on December 22nd.
http://kcwx.blogspot.com/2007/12/january-forecast.html

Continue on with the updated as I transitioned from phase data to trend data [we discussed in previous blog] posted on Jan 1st.
http://kcwx.blogspot.com/2008/01/happy-new-year-updated-january-forecast.html

And to yesterday's blog.

You see the trend is consistent.  Only one storm date has changed which was Jan 14th from my first stab at January.  Even then I gave myself a day or two which cold bring into what I still think about the 17th/18th.

I have not used progged data.  The dates of posts above I hope show this.  

I detail the above for a reason.  I believe my method and the LRC both using the theory of the cycle are valid.  I think this year more than any other, it is needed to step up and show where the cycle exists.

This year, Gary for the first time has put out a 45 day forecast to help illistrate this.  I have done what is shown above.  I also think that my surface trend analysis is directly related to the LRC, though definitely two different methods of detecting the same cycle duration.  I am trying to bring some details to the forecast using this theory.  Gary did a great job with the 45 day, and I hope to do the same with my methods.

I would like after this period to have a deep down discussion on how this doesn't work should both Gary and my forecast pan out.  

If it busts, I cannot refer to a map analysis with my method.  Since it is based on sensible weather based on NWS readings at KMCI..either it happened or it didn't.  I am trying to bring as much objectivity to this LRC evolution as possible.
January 10, 2008 6:13 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

        Hello Weather team,  any refreezing on surface's and road tonight? I heard mention at the top of the 5:00 newscast!
January 10, 2008 6:14 PM
 

CentralOP said:

Scott,
Yes, I think a freeze is likely in April. However, it will not likely be very damaging at all because I have a feeling that the average temperatures in March this year will be MUCH colder than last March.
January 10, 2008 6:21 PM
 

Brent said:

"then there will be storm after storm for a while preventing true Arctic air for more than a day or two."

just what I figured....

we have had that already this year....2 cold days...then a warm up....
January 10, 2008 6:22 PM
 

Greg said:

April freeze! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

---------------

The average date for our last freeze is April 7th or so.  Remember this isn't our forecast yet, but hopefully the freeze this year will be like 32, and not in the teens like last year.

Gary

January 10, 2008 6:26 PM
 

kb0rpj said:

for those of you tracking the severe weather in the SE, check out www.abc3340.com and watch James Spann, the tv legend from central AL and his severe weather coverage.
January 10, 2008 6:26 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Scott -

I'll watch to see how the next ~30 days pans out (the length of your long term forecast) and I'm always up for discussion on it.  I think it is much more specific than Gary's, which allows for a more objective discussion of its validity.  

For the sake of objective verification, I really wish I could see something more specific in Gary's long range 45-day forecast.  Before you freak out:  I know that the 45-day did have some detail and is the first big long-ranger of the season, I just  think it really leaves a lot of wiggle room, talking about the coldest air of the season coming during a long window, "4-7 storms" during a ~month-long window, etc...  Even before it happens, I find it hard to believe that WOULDN'T verify, since it pretty much describes the weather during most January-February periods in the Plains, in my view.  I wish it didn't have so much wiggle room.  

I will give him props for putting it out there, and even moreso to you since you actually list dates and get more specific though so I don't want to come off as discounting the forecasts all together.   I will certainly follow along over the coming weeks and see how it pans out and I'll always give credit where credit is due when a particular forecast verifies.
January 10, 2008 6:27 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

kb0rpj:  James Spann also had some great comments regarding the Weather Channel global warming debacle last year.  Ever since then, I've held him in fairly high regard as well:
http://www.jamesspann.com/wordpress/?p=650
January 10, 2008 6:30 PM
 

Brent said:

New blog?
January 10, 2008 6:32 PM
 

kb0rpj said:

I'm watch ABC3340 and watching the IRC chatroom scroll the weather reports. it's amazing how James seems to know where EVERYTHING is.
January 10, 2008 6:35 PM
 

ksdotte said:

Ok I keep seeing repeated that this "stormy" trend will repeat again in March.
I have scout campouts scheduled for the 14th and 28th. Do I need to start building platforms for the scouts to camp on? Really don't look forward to a stretch of wet and cold weather when trying to work outside.
BTW was all over today from the airport to Topeka and back thru Ottawa. All rain with just a brief burst of snow around 1 pm.
January 10, 2008 6:37 PM
 

siraluce said:

"I do not know of a single TV meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype. I know there must be a few out there, but I can’t find them."

---

Wow.. if this is not a convincing argument for global warming, I don't know what is.  This is the most convincing argument for global warming I have heard yet.

Notes, as a professional in your field, I am sure you can distinguish the difference between year to year swings in weather and broader climate swings.  Since I know you can, I am astonished to hear you support James Spann's tirade.

Scientists in the field of climatology, as far as I understand, are astonished at what is happening with global weather patterns - that is, how fast climate change is occurring compared to what even climate models forecast -  not as seen in the last few months or season or even last year or two, but over the last 600,000 or more years.

As for the 'profit motive' of those scientists who pronounce on climate change.. this is a big laugh.  There is far more money involved in moneyed (corporate) interests than the scientific community could ever dream of.. and much more to gain personally among those elements as well.  Heck, more money is probably involved with 'TV meteorologists' than those scientists sounding the alarm with regard to global warming.  This argument turns reality up side down.

Good laugh, though, coming from such quarters..

As for the weather channel.. who cares.  Yeah, they are in it for the money for sure.  Any controversy is good controversy for them.  But don't translate that into the broader argument regarding global warming!  The weather channel is a non-entity in persuit of profit.   They don't care beyond the next air conditioning commercial and have little if anything to offer in such debates.  To name them as a major proponent of 'global warming' elicits more laughs..










January 10, 2008 6:54 PM
 

Greg said:

Gary, I'm with ya, a little frost in April is one thing, but a killing freeze like last year would not be good. I always used April 15 as a general rule of thumb for last freeze/frost, just to be safe. Is April 7 the actuual date on average?
January 10, 2008 6:57 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

siraluce:  I don't get into the debate over man-made global warming alarmism on this site very often unless it is somehow instigated by those who man the blog...if you want to, PM me or read more about my views on my own page.
January 10, 2008 7:07 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Gary,

We have a weak Signal to off the air for KSHB-DT and Weather  Plus, and we have a roof Antenna. Do you know anything?
January 10, 2008 7:11 PM
 

ethalo said:

Gary,
(or anyone who wants to take a stab at my question)
Do you see any n'or Easter anytime soon..or at all this winter? I have a son who lives in lNew Jersey and they, so far, have had a very mild winter, with little or no snow. (He bought a new snowblower in November and has yet to use it!)
Would you be able to use the LRC to determine what's going to happen on the East coast?
January 10, 2008 7:21 PM
 

Brent said:

there has to be a new blog soon....
January 10, 2008 7:49 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

I am going to give the breakdown at what happened today in MARCELINE when I got up at 7:0 when I got up to go to school it was cloudy with some light fog and drizzle...I stayed like that most of the morning and when I went for luch at 11:00 it was raining...I dont know when it started so I am going to throw out 11:30...It rained moderetly at time constant till aroud 2:00 when it quickly switched over to snow with big heavy flakes till around 3:30 when it switched back over to rain for an hour or soo and tapered off...We ended up with about a dusting of snow but all melted when the rain started again...The high was 36 today and it is 33 now...

Do you know if there will be a chance of getting a big storm within the next week or two?
January 10, 2008 8:15 PM
 

LRCfan said:

I know we aren't expecting the colder air and big storms to return til end of next week but these little storms that have been affecting us are fun to watch too we have had some nice moisture with these little storms.
January 10, 2008 8:20 PM
 

simplykristi said:

kb,
I had that stream going for about 3 1/2 hours earlier.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 8:21 PM
 

Brent said:

yeah I have a 3 day rain total of over 1.6 inches!

that could have been snow....   -_-

Imagine....
January 10, 2008 8:30 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I agree, LRC fan...  The storms we are getting now are small but packing moisture that we need.

Kristi
January 10, 2008 8:30 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

sorry for the missed spelling on last entry here it is again...I am going to give the breakdown at what happened today in MARCELINE, when I got up at 7:00 to go to school it was cloudy with some light fog and drizzle...It stayed like that most of the morning, and when I went for lunch at 11:00 it was raining...I dont know when it started so I am going to throw out 11:30...It rained moderetly at times, till around 2:00 when it quickly switched over to snow with big heavy flakes till around 3:30 when it switched back over to rain for an hour or soo and tapered off...We ended up with about a dusting of snow but it all melted when the rain started again...The high was 36 today and it is 33 now...:)
January 10, 2008 8:36 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

Jeremy or anyone from the weather team...Have thay rated the tornado that hit Marshfiald yet??
January 10, 2008 8:38 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Yes, they rated it either an EF2 or EF3, I think.  

Kristi
January 10, 2008 8:42 PM
 

simplykristi said:

For anyone wanting a report from the NWS Springfield office, here's the link:  http://www.crh.noaa.gov/sgf/?n=010808_tornadoes  

Kristi
January 10, 2008 8:43 PM
 

LRCfan said:

in some areas people would agree that we are having an active winter with the snow and ice to the north and tornadoes to the south while others in the south side of the metro have not had much this year,hopefully the south will get some snow too.
January 10, 2008 8:48 PM
 

Brent said:

I agree  LCRfan....I live in the south...and know all too well....the "no snow" winter we have experienced......

----------------

Brent,

Haven't you had around 4 inches this winter?  And, remember winter is not even three weeks old.  I am rooting for you to get a snowstorm within a month.

Gary

January 10, 2008 8:50 PM
 

Gardner said:

Gary

I think this blog is great media to begin testing your long range forecasts using the LRC.  I would love to see the LRC prove true and it become the standard for long range forcasting.  There are plenty of critics here who have no problems voicing thier opinions of its accuracy.  I am looking forward to hearing of your long range-forecasts in the upcoming weeks.  Thanks for all you do!

-------------

Thanks, I know everyone is keeping track. This is a lot of pressure on us.  But, we are very confident, but at the same time we know it isn't perfect.  We do want it to be perfect though.

Gary

January 10, 2008 9:58 PM
 

BBTye said:

Brent...I'm guessing you're not responsible for scooping the snow at your house/business...LOL...

Another 2 inches in Maryville today...  :)
January 10, 2008 10:58 PM
 

Husky07 said:

im trying my best to wait patiantley for snow down here in Lee's Summit
January 10, 2008 11:04 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

The term "Arctic Outbreak" is an interesting one...
Honestly while it does sound neat, a good sound bite if you will, I think if there is going to be an official designation of what one would be the first thing to do is call it a "cold wave" since extreme heat for an extended period is known as a heat wave, this would give the definition a more scientific tone since there would be consistency in the naming, this also would help clear the mudding of the definition caused by the origin of the cold air, I mean if it is 15 degrees for a high for three days or less does WHERE the cold air came from change how the 15 degree air is going to affect you?  One the flip side of this argument do we care where the 100 degree heat builds in from? It is just as dangerous whether it builds in from the Northwest or if it comes in from the south west.  For me I would say that three days or more with highs at 20 degrees or below would be an okay definition.  As for short lived intense cold surges maybe a new term such as a "cold spike" could be used as a definition this would also help give the public a better idea of how a cold period is going to play out, such as, you could have an "cold wave" with out an actual " cold spike" if it slowly develops over the region, assuming the definition of a "cold spike" included a certain rate at which the temps had to drop, but could last a long time, or you could have an intense "cold spike" without it lasting long enough to be a cold wave, or you could have a cold wave that starts out as a cold spike.  As with heat waves, there would have to be a highest temp the air would have to get down to for it to be given the special terms like there is a minimum temp that would have to be reached for a heat wave designation, so even though we get HUGE warm ups and the winter, fall, and spring we don't call them heat waves, and the same would be true for intense cold, cool snaps in the warmer parts of the season.  Well  there is my two or four cents;) I might be full of it, but oh well.  Good night to all.

---------------------

Nick,

Good ideas, but I think we should call it an Arctic outbreak.  We can keep the term "wave" with the heat. 

Have a great day.

Gary

January 11, 2008 12:58 AM
 

Nick Rau said:

if you read that entry I just made, I meant to say " if it is 15 degrees for a high for three days or MORE" not less!
January 11, 2008 1:03 AM
 

siraluce said:

"NotesInTheMargin said:
siraluce:  I don't get into the debate over man-made global warming alarmism on this site very often unless it is somehow instigated by those who man the blog..."

---

Global warming 'alarmism'.. uh, oh.. this is a warning sign.  

A check of Note's blog shows that he is an adherent of politically driven pseudo-science, in this regard at least, as seen with blog links to the Cato Institute, Matt Drudge and Michelle Malkin.  Immediately, Notes' credibility is shot.  These are the same type of political  elements that said for  tobacco is not proven to cause health issues and are otherwise always on the side of moneyed and corporate interests.  

In this case, it is rather amusing to suppose, however, that the erstwhile political opposition as represented by George Soros has any more serious answers to the widely accepted scientific reality of global warming, as is seen occurring before one's eyes if one was to open them, than the Cato Institute or Michelle Malkin.  

-----------------------

When it comes to the topic of Global Warming or Global Climate Change, keeping politics out of it is difficult.  This is unfortunate.  When I talk about it on the air it stirs up so many emotions.  I do it from a completely non-political point of view, but it is rarely taken that way by the political viewers.

Gary

 

January 11, 2008 5:44 AM
 

siraluce said:

Gary, this issue is very political by virtue of the fact that any serious attempt to mitigate the effects could have impacts on the immediate profits of powerful  interests and international corporations.  Even very limited band-aid approaches to the global warming hemorrhage, as are proposed by some of the more progressive leaning political establishment tendencies, could cost a few dollars in profits - profits that major multi-nationals have no intention of parting with if they can help it. Thus, the pseudo-science of certain think tanks and political tendencies that attempt to throw sand in the eyes of the public and otherwise justify no serious action be taken on the matter.

Unfortunately for the global warming naysayers, the rapidly melting glaciers almost everywhere, the incredibly shrinking northern polar ice cap, the thawing of tundra lands and easily observed climate shifts as seen in migrating plant and animal life - and all taking place at an extremely rapid rate now - are hard even for the casual, unscientific observer to ignore.  Like the tobacco 'controversy' of years past (and even present in 'smokers rights' groups), such naysaying regarding about this serious long-term threat to future generations has already been more than amply discredited in the scientific community, if not yet in the popular consciousness of the public at large.  

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Amazingly, even the facts you point out in your last paragraph are made political by the naysayers.

Gary

January 11, 2008 8:36 AM
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