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Poll reslults & the LRC

Good morning bloggers,

It is below zero over many spots this morning.  Our weather team is the only forecast in Kansas City that correctly predicted both below zero mornings. 

There is a lot to go over this morning.  First of all thank you so much for participating in yesterday's poll.  Some of you will remember that we asked the same question in August (while the heat wave was in progress) and we wanted to see if there were different results this time (while we were in an Arctic outbreak).  Here are the results of the poll:

If you had to choose only one, which would it be, 100 or 0?

                                        100                              0                                

  • August                    37%                           63%
  • January                   46%                           54%

Now, onto this mornings weather.  We issued the ARCTIC AIR WATCH two weeks ago for the second half of January.  And, we laid out the reasons for doing so, based on the LRC , and it happened (Go to our blog on January 2nd to get a brief description of the LRC).  Other forecasts around the nation were predicting no chance of an Arctic air mass, it will be a warm January, etc.  You may or may not believe in the LRC, and that is fine as it is just my theory.  I have been laying out the evidence for years now, and this year we have made stronger and bolder forecasts.  The forecasts have been almost 100% accurate thus far, and our weather team is proud to have correctly predicted (maybe not perfectly) the last 10 storm systems.  I am not trying to boast here, I am just trying to show how the LRC has provided our weather team with a huge forecasting advantage over our competitors.  The weather pattern is cycling and we are in the December part of the weather pattern now.  There are many skeptics out there that will think it is all just coincidence, and this is a legitimate concern on their part.  But, this year I tried to show it differently.  By making our 45 day forecast, which we are only half way through at this moment, we showed what the pattern would look like to create the Arctic air masses that continue to form.  And, then the Arctic air masses not only formed but arrived in the exact window we said they would arrive.  Does any one else see this?

The second half of the 45 day forecast, that we made on January 2nd, is still just that, a forecast.  In December we went into a wavy, stormy pattern with a storm passing through every few days.  We had ice storms, many snow storms, and it was quite wet for December.  The heaviest snow kept falling in the same spots just north and west of Kansas City, which is another characteristic of each year's LRC.  And, now, the latest ECMWF and GFS models have a very stormy pattern showing up.  It hasn't happened yet, and this part of the weather pattern is just now returning, as forecast by my theory.  If it does happen, will it just be coincidence?  We will let our record speak for itself.  We are most proud of our forecast from day to day, and we also realize that long range forecasts have rarely been accurate from any source, but during the past three years the LRC has been working as we learn more about my theory.  And, most importantly, by showing what the LRC is, how we are using it, and explaining it in our forecasting, other forecasters should look into this and embrace the possibility of the LRC actually existing.  They can use it too.  I will likely be doing another presentation of our research and findings at one of the national meteorology conferences this year.

I haven't even talked about the big warm up yet, which I think many of us are looking forward to.  But, look at what last nights GFS shows:

Temps GFS Monday.bmp

Wow, look at that map.  60s near us on Monday with 30 to 50 degrees BELOW zero across a large part of Canada.  This air mass will get mixed into the developing storm systems.  In December there were a couple of strong storm systems and many smaller ones.  Let's see what happens this time.  The first storm is now forecast by the European model, the Canadian model and the overnight GFS model to form along that Arctic front one week from today.  Let's see if the models show it this morning.  And, please remember we aren't staking our entire reputation on the long range forecast.  It is a long range forecast, and if it is right we will take credit and deserve it, if it is wrong we will show where it went wrong and admit it.  Thus far, we have only been able to show you that the LRC exists, and it has helped the NBC Action Weather Team tremendously. 

It is a FRIGID morning out there.  A weak, fast moving system will pass by Friday morning with just a slight chance of a morning snow or sleet shower.  Then it is a big warm up.  Enjoy it.  Thanks again for participating in our poll.  If you have questions about the LRC we will try to get to them as we have time.  I am on Newsradio 980 KMBZ until around 9 AM, then I am working out big time with my trainer.  It is chest day, one of my more fulfilling workouts, but it hurts. I always say, it will be over in an hour when I am working out with my trainer, so just push through it.  Have a great day!

Programming reminder:  Our brand new weekend morning newscasts begin this Saturday. Every Saturday and Sunday you can now get Kansas City's most accurate forecast at 8 AM.  Jeremy Nelson will be doing the weather on these newscasts debuting Saturday.

Gary

Published Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:26 AM by glezak

Comments

 

KSuds said:

You know, 100 degrees isn't bad with 15% humidity.  
January 24, 2008 5:45 AM
 

nwmowx said:

It is 6:02 am and -11.9 degrees.  Right now, I would take the 100!

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What city are you in?

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 6:02 AM
 

jon64506 said:

-2 in st jo this morning, no wind but a very cold dog walking day.

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Stay warm!  Thanks for the report!

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 6:11 AM
 

Bryan said:

As of 6:23AM I am sitting at -0.2 at 130th and State Avenue in Kansas City, Kansas.

Bryan

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Bryan,

Thanks for the report!  Stay warm...or stay home:)

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 6:24 AM
 

sertorius said:

Gary:

Good Morning to you sir!!! We are currently sitting at 2 degrees here in SW Lawrence this morning. For sure it is cold this morning but for some reason it does not seem as cold as it was Tuesday morning. But man, the winds really howled last night and there for a while we were dropping almost 5 degrees an hour-awesome stuff!!

A couple random musings this morning:

1. Yesterday reaffirmed something for me: snow vs. a southwest wind and sun: snow looses every time in Lawrence, Kansas LOL!! Still have a couple of inches in the back yard which is on the North side of the house but my south facing front yard got blasted yesterday!! We were warmer on Monday but not much sun so the snow pack survived but yesterday afternoon-snow didn’t stand a chance!!


2. Out of the last 7 days I have been above freezing for a whopping 8 hours; for sure it is not record breaking but a week of below and some cases way below freezing temperatures is nothing to sneeze at for here-that makes two winters in a row where we have had some long duration cold. Considering how progressive this pattern has been over all it is even more impressive.


3. Along with number 2: We have now had snow on the ground for 5 weeks this winter-again, nothing record breaking but considering some of the winters in the past: 2005-2006; 1997-1998; 1985-1986; 1972-73 etc. I’ll take it and run with it!!! After looking back at a few things, I really believe Lawrence kind of got lucky and caught lightning in a bottle especially on 12-21 which of course has made this winter for here. With all of the WAA with this pattern..we just have been lucky and I and my two boys have enjoyed every minuet of it!!!!!

4. With numbers 2 and 3 in mind, I should really not even care about what happens in the next 3 weeks-I have been lucky and blessed with good snows this winter and have been able to enjoy them. However, being a snow lover I am somewhat greedy so yes, I would love to have another good snow event-but if it doesn’t pan out then that’s ok as well and for sure, I have now had 2 good winters back to back-not many times since the late 70’s have we had great back to back winters!!!  Furthermore, following the next few weeks is going to fun in and of itself!!

5. With number 4 in mind, I do think things are beginning to line up and I think that the front on Tuesday is something to watch as I think it is a sign post/bench mark for the beginning of the really active period-i.e. the transition into the period becomes the active period. Remember the models before the clipper of 12-5: they showed nothing of any consequence and the clipper itself was fully under modeled until 24 hours before the event. I think the hints are there the models just have not fully caught on yet. This does not mean in my opinion that we see 4 big snows nor do I think Lawrence will see thunder snow again-however, the storms will be there as will cold air-how will they interact will be the fun to watch!! But the LRC will be clear and present-just my opinion and I hope this number 5 makes some sense!!!!


I told Jeremy this weekend and I mentioned it to you Gary that I have a story concerning the LRC and here it is-I hope this makes some sense in the telling LOL:

This concerns one of the local shelters in Lawrence-we do quite a bit of community service at school and in my communications setting up projects etc. we have discussed the weather. Just right after Christmas we were serving dinner and I told them to be ready for another strong cold out break some time in mid January and not to get caught off guard by the local papers talk of winter being over after New Years. They took it into consideration and were more prepared for this week than they would have been. I have mentioned the weather team and the LRC and for them to follow your forecasts so that they could better prepare for future events especially in winter and they are going to do this!!! This is for me why the LRC is so important for the field of meteorology-it can exponentially improve long range forecasting much more so than just following the AO, NAO etc which to me follow the LRC anyway. To be able to state with a good sense of confidence how the pattern will unfold and what that pattern can hold is to me very important. It may not be able to hit every micro scenario, but it can for sure get the macro scenario which then gives the forecaster a big head start in the micro scenario. Just thought I would share a little story on how the LRC is really working!!!!


Have a great and fantastic day-watching for the return flow to develop and those wonderfull SW winds (LOL) but more importantly, watching for that front around Tuesday-fun times!!!! Thanks for reading and again, sorry so long!!!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Bill,

Thank you for great perspective, analysis, and stories.  The latest models have some excitement showing up, so as we patiently wait and anticipate the winter storms coming soon, let's bundle up and embrace the cold. 

Gary


January 24, 2008 6:30 AM
 

MikeTrainor1 said:

droipped to minus 1 near the interchange of K-7 and K-10. my car thermometer seems to be pretty accurate compared to what i hear announced on the radio.

and i, for one, am more than ready for the warm-up since we know (or at least have very strong evidence) by way of the LRC that it's gonna get nasty again in another week or so. - mike t.

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Mike,

It does look very interesting around Feb. 1 give or take a day or two.  Thanks for the temp. report!

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 6:31 AM
 

nwmowx said:

Jeremy, I am in Ravenwood, MO...definitely not a city!  It's about 11 miles east of Maryville.

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OK...thanks!  Not a city...but you still are important!  When you get snow please report those totals too.  We'd love to add Ravenwood to our totals graphics!

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 6:52 AM
 

kcroyals05 said:

Good morning Gary and the weather team.   Checked the temperature this morning before I went to work and it was 3.   Just called home and now it's 0...  

Bill
Grandview

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Bill,

Thanks for the report!  A big goose egg!

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 7:28 AM
 

homerun said:

Gary/Jeremy--There is no question the LRC works and is a window for you and your weather team to use and look into to see the events past present and future coming within the cycle of days. This next batch of storms will come and like you said the intensity may be there in some and not there in a few.  Starting from the 8th of December (the start of that rainy/icestorm) and counting 54 days that puts it January 31st.  I also realize that the cycle of days can vary somewhat.  Yes this has been the "coldest" winter for some time.  The snow has amazingly stayed on the ground for quite a while.  It will be nice to have a couple of warm days to melt everything and then we start over.  It is zero to minus 2 in and around Topeka today.  It was great to meet and greet the Royals yesterday in Topeka.  Take care, Michael/Berryton/Topeka

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Thanks Michael! I am going to enjoy the warm up first.  It is cold out there.

Gary

January 24, 2008 7:39 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Brrrrrrrr.....it is a balmy one degree down here at 8am. I will enjoy the brief warm up this weekend and kick my girls outside to play. They need some serious outside playing time again. Looking forward to the precip starting up again. Have a good workout....makes me sore to just think about it. LOL!!!
Monica
Pleasanton KS

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Monica,

1 degree in Pleasanton.  FRIGID!

Gary

January 24, 2008 8:09 AM
 

DPannell said:

Jeremy, it was 80 degrees here in Mission, TX on Monday and Tuesday!  However, I think y'all left a door open up there because it was only 58 yesterday!!! Still way better than what you all are having this morning.  It's gonna be hard to come back to the cold, glad to see you're going to warm it up a bit for my return trip ;).  Take care, stay warm, time to hibernate!

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Enjoy your time in the warmer climate.  At least by this weekend you will be eased into our ever changing weather.  After today January temps will either be right at normal or a little below.  Overall January will end up pretty close to average.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 8:17 AM
 

kw_jw174 said:

Since there is really not alot of weather going on right now, I have a question about cold weather.  What is the coldest DAYTIME high KC has ever had?  While watching Gary at 10 pm last night he said that International Falls never hit zero yesterday.  Has that ever happened here in KC?  On a side note, I think you should get to boast every once in a while.

Keri

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Keri,

The coldest daytime high that I saw for Kansas City was -8 on December 22, 1989. 

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 8:25 AM
 

dougbce said:

kw I don't claim to know the answer to your question but you did make me look up the records for this coming week.

Jan 28th 1997:  -9
Jan 28th 1998:  57

What a difference one year made!
January 24, 2008 8:40 AM
 

VdoManZ said:

1.3 was as low as it got in SE Lee's Summit last night.
January 24, 2008 8:42 AM
 

Trentonite said:

In anticipation of the next storm, could you all make some sort of graphic that shows the different layers of the atmosphere you look at to determine what type of precipitation a storm will bring?  When speaking of a storm, you all commonly mention the different layers, 500 mb, etc.  Just a simple cross-section type graphic would help a great deal.  Thanks.  

By the way, it was  -3 in Trenton this morning and we got a nice dusting last evening/night.

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Thanks fore the report.  When we get a storm in with mixy type precip. we will try to show a graphic like that.  The precip. type on Friday looks like light snow and flurries and should occur over favored northern areas.  The chance remains at 20% for this moment.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 8:42 AM
 

Tim in West Shawnee said:

It got down to 0.9 in West Shawnee this morning.  Thats's cold enough for me!  BTW, "Results" is spelled wrong in the title of this blog entry!

Take care guys
Tim

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Thanks for the report and for bringing the grammar police to the blog:)

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 8:46 AM
 

marlina10 said:

After waking up to -2 degrees in Lenexa this morning I'm now dreaming of it warming up to 100 degrees. Do you have records that show what the biggest warm-up in temperatures has been in Kansas City? (By warm up I mean, the biggest jump in one day between the low and high)

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I could find it...but it might take an entire shift to crunch the numbers:)  I'll try to look it up in the future.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 8:51 AM
 

RogOzSam said:

1 degree in Kingsville at 7:35 this morning!  Very very windy last night - enough to move our curtains slightly (yea, we need to insulate!)  When I got to Blue Springs, my car said it was 2, so the warm-up begins!  LOL  Jeremy - I don't suppose you can say an estimate of the weather on Friday Feb 1?  I'll be traveling up to Platte County and back (not a long drive by any means, just under 1-1/2 hours) - but if the weather is going to be really wintery stormy I'll change my plans!  Thanks.

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No specifics around Feb. 1, but this does look promising based on the LRC and longer range models.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 9:01 AM
 

kw_jw174 said:

Wow Doug that is a big difference.  Thanks for the answer Jeremy.  I was just curious as to if it ever stayed below zero for a day here.  Guess I know now.  That is cold.  Ill take 57 over -9 any day.

Keri
January 24, 2008 9:35 AM
 

heavysnow said:

1989 was just down right frigid

That was the most snow I had ever had on the ground at one time.  We had to 2 separate storms bring 18 inches to my house (snow drifts were amazing as were the ice formations from the creeks) we also had 20 below zero lows.....nasty weather

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A winter that most will never forget.  Maybe this one will rank up there for some...especially north?

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 9:43 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I guess it can warm up just a little, some of the snow seemed to of melted yesterday, it will be gone by this weekend.  Can't believe I'm saying this, but I still vote for 0. Wow! KCI got down -3 today!! I predicted -2, if you look on my website at my forecast video and 5 day forecast.  www.freewebs.com/kansascityweather

Scott,

you should check out my website, and see how great it is to use Free Webs!! The best part is that you make the website for FREE! You can choose Beginner Mode (ME) or Advanced Mode.

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Andrew,

From now on please just reference your own blog by telling people to click on your user name and link it from there.  Sounds like you are not liking the cold as much as you use to.  Maybe we can get some snow to go with the cold the next time around:)

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 9:53 AM
 

ShawnP said:

Gimmee zero anyday over that heat junk.

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I still love heat over cold!

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 10:19 AM
 

stjoeattorney said:

Well -8 officially in STJ the 6th blow zero low in Jan no records coldest was -12.

I remember 1989 well. Go back and look at the records after the cold broke on 23 December there was no more winter and we had no snow up here either [well maybe 7-10 inches.

With this cold in Jan recurring from Decembr we are having a total winter.  There is 12-18 inches of frost in the ground.  We still have snow cover on the flat areas but not south facing hills. A couple days in the 40s will melt the snow [I have piles in my north facing yard from Nov] but by Monday we go back down to normal.

Watch out for THAT GROUND HOG DAY  event!!

When the stoms recurr again and The North West Territiory air flows down here watch out as there is snow to our north o the ground to keep the air cold.

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Thanks for the post!  I remember the winter of 2000-01 in Madison, WI.  Snowiest December on record and then poof.  Winter was done!

Around Feb. 1 could be lots of fun...but are we surprised...no.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 10:36 AM
 

KSuds said:

It was -3 degrees in Platte City at 5:15am this morning.  Lovin' every minute of it!  Had to stop and top off my truck, just for some exhileration.  
Still waiting for the big snow.  Maybe Jan.31-Feb.2.  The weatherchannel.com has snow for all three days.  Not that the weatherchannel.com is very reliable.  What do you all think?

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I don't think I would ever watch the commercial channel:)

We have targeted that time fram since the cycle was identified in December.  So no surprise. 

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 10:45 AM
 

Braysmama said:

Ok RogOzSam-my weather station in Kingsville said the overnight low was -2.4, so I don't know if it's reading right. Either way, I don't think a couple degree's really matter's when it's this cold out!!!

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Differences do exist...especially if either of you live in a valley.  You can knock off a quick 1-3 degrees.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 11:03 AM
 

bulldog said:

dougbce, where can I look at records?  Can anyone share a link?  Thanks, Audrey

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Check out the NWS site.  Otherwise if you email the fine folks at the NWS they will get back to you in a day or two on average.

If you ask us though, we will do our best to help out our bloggers!

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 11:03 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

yes, I like the cold still,but when I start seeing grass, and I know I'm going to see more grass this weekend, I just have to have a little warm up.I don't like the 50s this time of the year, even though it will feel good, I like 35 degrees or below as a good high temp.  If it's going to be cold it needs to snow,not be 100% sunshine!!
January 24, 2008 11:14 AM
 

Braysmama said:

Jeremy, I live on top of a hill-I can see the light's of Harrisonville and Pleasant Hill actually. I'm guessing that could make me a little colder?

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If you are on a hill you would be 1-3 degrees warmer.  Cold air is dense...thus it fills into the valleys first.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 11:14 AM
 

bulldog said:

I go stupid when I get on the NWS site.  Allthough I am studying the education links to be able to start keeping up with everyone a little better.  So I will ask, wasn't the first part of February last year similar to what this year is shaping up to be?

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The first 10 days of February, 2007 were very cold with highs in the 20s.  But, it was dry.  This year's weather pattern is a bit stormier, which puts us into the cold, then out of the cold, and then back into the cold, but with a storm!  This will be a big difference as last year was quite dry.  I don't expect that this year.

Gary

January 24, 2008 11:17 AM
 

RDub said:

Bulldog, try going to wunderground.com. They have a calendar view that shows what happened in past months/years in an easy format.

www.wunderground.com/US/MO/Kansas City
January 24, 2008 11:23 AM
 

RDub said:

And last year there was one freakishly warm day, 54 on Feb 6, in the middle of all those 20s.

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I remember that day very well.  We forecast 46 or 47 for a high when everyone else had 30.  I should look back at the blog from that day or the night before.

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 11:38 AM
 

Braysmama said:

Jeremy-I meant warmer. (too cold to think!) Maybe I just have a bad weather station-I've only had this one a month. Or is it the location? I have it five feet off the ground in the shade and it's protected from the elements. ( not in any "enclosure".)
January 24, 2008 11:44 AM
 

sedsinkc said:

In remembering the December 1989 arctic outbreak that gave KC its all-time lowest low and high temperatures, I lived in Dallas in December 1989, and I think it was the second coldest December I ever experienced in my 15 years of living in north Texas (only December 1983 was possibly colder).  On Dec. 23, 1989, the low temp at DFW airport was -1.  It is the only time since records have been kept in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that the temperature dropped below zero in December, and only the fourth time it had ever dropped below zero.  It is also the only time the temperature in Dallas-Fort Worth dropped below zero with absolutely no snow cover present.  It has not been below zero in Dallas-Fort Worth since that day.  It was -8 at the airport in my home town of Mineral Wells, Tx that morning.  That arctic outbreak was definitely memorable!

Now some questions about the arctic air mass building in Canada and Alaska next week.  Is it true that the models sometimes have trouble modeling the southward progress of a very cold arctic air mass that is seeping southward in a shallow layer when the upper winds are from the west or southwest?  Is this a possible scenario for when this air mass starts moving south, as it probably will eventually?  Is there any indication yet of how strong this arctic high may get?  Harold Taft, who was a legendary TV meteorologist in Dallas-Fort Worth until his death in 1991, used to say that arctic highs with central pressures above 1040 mb would start coming south under their own momentum in spite of upper level winds that would normally impede their progress south.  Highs with central pressures under 1040 mb would usually get shunted to the east by the prevailing upper level westerly winds and spare Texas.  This was one way Mr. Taft knew cold weather was on the way to Texas, even if the jet stream flow was zonal or had some southwesterly component.  This is also a common scenario for producing freezing rain and sleet in Texas.  Hopefully the cold air would be deep enough in KC for snow, if we get any precip.  Any thoughts?  Don't mean to put you out on a limb, lol.
January 24, 2008 11:49 AM
 

Jeffro said:

The 12z GFS sure does look interesting towards the end of next week!  If the GFS is correct (and that's a big IF), we could have 4 snow storms in 7 days.  I'd be happy with just 1, but 4 would be great!

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The models will fall into place soon:)

Remember the ice storm in December for St. Joe...many areas had well over 1" of precip.!

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 12:01 PM
 

Brent said:

Well that light snow last night cheered me up a lot...I didn't think we were even going to get flurries...and then boom..it started snowing lightly...and it even got a little heavier!

It looks like Feb 1st now?....when the storms begin?....well thats only like 7 days off of the 25th...but it still qualifies as between the 25th of jan. and the 20th of Feb....thats almost a month....so you giuys really did give yourselves a lot of leeway there...even if the storm start on February 10th you will still be right..lol

maybe I will see some snow showers down here on Friday too!

it got down to 0 here in Harriosnville last night!....
I live in the country...so it does get colder out here I know...
but thats the coldest we have been so far this season

I also watched midday today and heard Jeremy mention that the storm that gave us the ice in december will be back... soon??!!!! that will be exciting after this long boring stretch...I will be happy as long as its below 30 when the precip starts!!!!..thats all I want...

No more rain changing to snow storms they are annoying as heavysnow said...lol

have a question for Gary when he come in tonight....about weatherplus...I asked you last time and you didn't know...so...

Brent
January 24, 2008 12:03 PM
 

Brent said:

One channel at noon said there may be some light snow south of KC on friday......you guys didn't say much about it...

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I talked about it all morning.  If you recorded the news by chance play it back and you'll see. 

Jeremy

January 24, 2008 12:32 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

-5 in Marceline bthis morning!!!
January 24, 2008 2:52 PM
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