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WINTER STORM WARNING....February 5, 2008

Good late morning bloggers,

Watch NBC Action News Midday at 11 AM....Meteorologist Brett Anthony will update our snowfall forecast.  And, then our weather team will be all over this developing storm during our 5 and 6 PM weathercasts!  We will be Nowcasting this as it is developing!

The computer models have come out with a farther south solution to this storm this morning.  With it being just a few hours away from being cold enough for snow, I am buying these solutions.  The storm goes through a transformation as we move into tonight and this will complicate matters for pinning down this storm system.  Look below at the 10 AM surface map:

sfc 1006am.gif

The surface low is on the Red River, southwest of Ardmore, OK.  This surface cyclone is quite strong and is pulling in copious amounts of moisture.  It is in the 70s with dewpoints in the 60s south of this front.  There is a HIGH RISK of severe thunderstorms with possible long track tornadoes later today as this moves east over Arkansas.  This could be a very violent day down south.  As the storm moves east colder air will continue moving into our region.  The rain will change to sleet and then to snow before midnight.  The earlier it changes over the more snow you will get.    Look below at the latest GFS totals forecast by 6 AM, and the storm won't be over until around noon on Wednesday, so you can add another .10 to .20" to these totals if the GFS has this correct.

GFS precip totals.gif

The NAM was similar and our in house computer model was a bit wetter too.  So, we are leaning towards higher amounts of snow and this will become a MAJOR WINTER STORM tonight and Wednesday.  Kansas City may go above 6 inches of snow way up north, and this will likely include higher amounts down south.  There are still some questions that we need to answer.  But, I heavily lean in the direction of a farther south solution, so we may be dropping that 6-10 inch band the two counties farther south as we had discussed earlier.  This would place areas north of downtown KC into that heavier band, with areas to the south getting into the 3 to 6 inch band!

We will update the blog later!  This hasn't happened yet!

Gary

Published Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:58 AM by glezak

Comments

 

kristaszabo said:

So, I was commenting in the last blog, and we have rain here in Blue Springs at I-70 and Adams Dairy. Quite a bit of it too. I'm tired of it personally. I really want to see a good amount of snow. So I was wondering if it looks like Blue Springs will get a decent amount? Instead of all the "dustings" we seem to get.
Krista *********** You'll see more than a dusting late today tonight:) Jeremy
February 5, 2008 10:29 AM
 

Luthur said:

Wow.  The SPC has Ark. as a high threat.  And a large area.
February 5, 2008 10:32 AM
 

Green Acres said:

Gary (or team), I hope you are right.  Sorry to put you all on the spot. Percentage-wise what are the chances of Lees Summit area getting more than 4 inches of snow tonight?
February 5, 2008 10:32 AM
 

johnmarr said:

thank you gary for sharing that info very much appriacted we all  look forward to your personl thoughts on these storms
February 5, 2008 10:35 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

WOW....could I actually get a sledding snow out of this one?? Woooo hoo!! I am at one inch of rain now. Their is standing water everywere. Man what a mess if I do get some snow out of this one. Hope my sump pump continues to work. Looking forward to what ever may happen.
Monica
Pleasanton KS
February 5, 2008 10:37 AM
 

kernssk said:

I just made the mistake to go out and vote. I'm in Easton, MO and the roads are horrible. What is usally a 5 minute drive took me at least 45 minutes. There is at least 2 inches of slushy sleet like junk on the roads and it's currently raining with sleet mixed in with it. I think it's going to be a very messy couple of days!
February 5, 2008 10:39 AM
 

LSLinda said:

I sure do like the additional newscasts so we can get detailed forecasts more frequently.  At times like this, it sure is appreciated!

I'll be interested to see how much farther south this thing goes than originally thought, and whether or not we get decent snow in Lee's Summit.  We can always hope!  We are about due.
February 5, 2008 10:39 AM
 

heavysnow said:

Well after the GFS and NAM I had the KC Metro in 4 to 8 with some places likely getting more than 8 inches.  If you move your snowfall map down 2 counties Blue Springs would be close to the 6 to 10.  I think you need to tweak that map more than just dropping it south though.....

The NWS will likely extend the Winter Storm Warning South a couple of counties
February 5, 2008 10:39 AM
 

doombob said:

It seems like other area forecasters are putting this on a northern track - still saying that Northwest Missouri will get hit the most.  They put the band through St. Jo.  If you don't think it tracks south, will the Airport area get the most snow according to your "northern track"?  If I'm understanding, you think it will track south to where NorthKC/Gladstone will be in the heaviest band.
February 5, 2008 10:40 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I will be watching Brett in about 30 mins.
February 5, 2008 10:41 AM
 

littleladybugs said:

so parkville/farley area is in the heavier band of snow now???
my kid will be glad that mieans no school tomorrow probably!
February 5, 2008 10:41 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Well then...can you say "Welcom back to KC?".....I have seen such crazy weather since I have been back.  I am just worried about getting my daughter from school at 3:45.  I am aroung 1-29 and barry road.  I can't drive in this stuff and my hubby is out of town.  Hope I can get there and back before the roads get bad!
February 5, 2008 10:41 AM
 

NorthOfRiver said:

Temp has dropped one degree in last thirty minutes and winds are picking up.  Now at 34.6 and still all rain in Gladstone. If you wanna watch it snow check out this live webcam just outside Omaha, Ne.  
http://www.carterlake.org/wx12.php
February 5, 2008 10:41 AM
 

Mike said:


FWIW, the Omaha NWS just upgraded them to a Winter Storm Warning. As of last night they were only calling for a couple inches in Omaha, now they are calling for 6-10. Don't know if that means the whole thing is further north then expected, or merely that there is more moisture in general in the region.
February 5, 2008 10:43 AM
 

Jennifer and Kelsey said:

I just saw the high risk that the SPC put out for the Ark, MS, TN.  Just out of curiousity, this doesn't happen very often, does it?  I don't think I've seen the SPC issue high risk in a long time.  

Jennifer
February 5, 2008 10:44 AM
 

kane1970 said:

All I can say is    YES!!!
February 5, 2008 10:44 AM
 

PoofDragon said:

All kidding aside...how do you think this will affect KCI tomorrow? My wife has a noon flight tomorrow.

A. Will we be able to get there?
B. How much delay do you think they'll experience getting planes off the ground?

Thanks.
February 5, 2008 10:46 AM
 

jem777 said:

Hi Gary,

Do you still think the changeover will be approx 4 p.m.?

---------------

A changeover to sleet by 7 PM, but not to snow until a couple of hours later.

Gary

February 5, 2008 10:48 AM
 

RDub said:

After the snow actually stops falling, KCI will be fine. I took a flight a couple Februarys ago when we had just gotten 6-9" and the plane took off fine. Hardest part was getting into a space in the (barely plowed) parking lot.
February 5, 2008 10:49 AM
 

stjoeattorney said:

lt rain 33.6 now likely had 3 inches before the rain came and has compacted down with rain and sleet on top grass totally covered.  I think we are finnished except for some deformation later on the moisture has all moved to the SE.  3 hrs of fun no 10-14 ioncher for STJ this time.
February 5, 2008 10:50 AM
 

PoofDragon said:

Thanks, RDub. Good to know. I've lived here 6 years but have never had to go up there after a storm.
February 5, 2008 10:50 AM
 

CentralOP2 said:

I wonder when the NWS is going to upgrade some of those counties that have a winter weather advisory to a Winter Storm Warning. The storm is tracking a little further south!
February 5, 2008 10:51 AM
 

CentralOP2 said:

stjoeattorney,
Wow that sure is strange. The sleet changed to rain, eh?
I still think you will get at least 8-12 inches of snow.
This is going to be a long-lived precipitation event.  
February 5, 2008 10:52 AM
 

kvluvalcsens said:

Has anyone noticed that it looks like the trees are now having a glaze over them here in L.S.  so is it now moving in faster?
February 5, 2008 10:53 AM
 

heavysnow said:

Somebody needs to post the 11:00 snow forecast because I don't have the ability to watch it or I would!!
February 5, 2008 10:53 AM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Look at the NAM folks:
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//nam/12/nam_slp000018_l.shtml
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//nam/12/nam_slp024042_l.shtml

.75 to 1.00 inches of QPF with the necessary thickness values.
It looks like a good snow event.
February 5, 2008 10:53 AM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Even the GFS gives the metro area .35 to .60 inches of QPF in the next 24 hours with thickness values under 540mb. Cold air is lurking just upstream!
February 5, 2008 10:55 AM
 

Mike said:

Look at Chicago in that thing, they are going to get hammered!
February 5, 2008 10:56 AM
 

CentralOP2 said:

February 5, 2008 10:56 AM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Mike,
KC is going to get hammered with snow! The models (especially the NAM) have been quite consistent.
February 5, 2008 10:56 AM
 

bewild79 said:

I am glad I have all these smart people in here in between weather updates from Gary and the team.  I am kinda map stupid so I just listen to y'all...thanks!
February 5, 2008 10:57 AM
 

Mark M said:

Just measured 0.60 inches in my gauge at 123rd & Hollingsworth in KCK.
February 5, 2008 10:59 AM
 

PoofDragon said:

CentralOP...you going to buy us all a beverage if we don't get hammered?  ;-)
February 5, 2008 11:01 AM
 

inlimbo said:

falls on my knees....bless you Gary... looks for the snow shovel
February 5, 2008 11:03 AM
 

bewild79 said:

According to Bret, the heavy snow band has moved south and included all of platte county if I saw correctly.  Gonna find out as soon as the whole forcast comes out in about 15-20.
February 5, 2008 11:04 AM
 

pperrin said:

If the storm is taken a further south track will this bring in the cold air faster therefore starting the snow earlier?
February 5, 2008 11:07 AM
 

bewild79 said:

As long as it waits till I get home around 4.....I can't drive in this crap....it scares me.
February 5, 2008 11:09 AM
 

bewild79 said:

As long as it waits till I get home around 4.....I can't drive in this crap....it scares me.
February 5, 2008 11:09 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I am going to see how everything plays out.

Kristi
February 5, 2008 11:10 AM
 

4caster said:

The only argument I have with your forecast is I believe that the 700-850 thickness will remain too warm to allow snow to stay frozen all the way down until at least midnight.  Looking at the GFS precip, I would have to say that at the best you might get 6" total in KC.  
(in case you haven't noticed, I am being very pessimistic today, as what was 12"+ for me yesterday has turned into maybe a dusting)
February 5, 2008 11:10 AM
 

KCHusker said:

so what is it looking like for LS?
February 5, 2008 11:15 AM
 

Brent said:

om the map above I see my house in the blue blob...thats good I presume?....I was so depressed from the 10pm weather last night...you had me getting around an inch!

I have gotten over 1.25 inches of rain this morning! just think if that was all snow!

on radar the storm looks pretty weak...at least the snow part...right now...but Brett said it would re-develop...so I hope it does....

I'm hoping for 6 inches!

please!
February 5, 2008 11:16 AM
 

Elaine said:

bewild79.... I used to work at an elementary school, and on days like this many parents called ahead and went and picked up their kids early. just a thought for you.
February 5, 2008 11:16 AM
 

marlina10 said:

Does this mean the totals will increase for Johnson County too?
February 5, 2008 11:16 AM
 

Holmes524 said:

Here is my wish

I want it to start before three so classes or cancelled tonight or wait until after 8 when I am home from classes.  Mother Nature can pick but it needs to be one or the other!
February 5, 2008 11:16 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

at 113th and cookingham man has it gotten colder and i swear i starting to see a few sleet drops
February 5, 2008 11:17 AM
 

Brent said:

the ice cream was funny!

lol

I can live with 2 -3 inches I guess.....
February 5, 2008 11:21 AM
 

backwoods said:

Are you changing your tune a little teamster? Hope you and everyone else gets the snow tonight! Still raining and 35 in Blue Springs. There was some very tiny ice pellets a hour or so ago
February 5, 2008 11:23 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Well I am going home to get some sleep. I imagine that I will be out all night plowing this crap! So hope every one gets what they are wanting.

BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!!!!!!
February 5, 2008 11:23 AM
 

twister11 said:

I didnt catch the news, did anyone see the snowfall total map?
February 5, 2008 11:24 AM
 

smmikeman said:

I wonder if there is any hope it could shift even more to the south?
February 5, 2008 11:24 AM
 

Mark M said:

Brett - I hope you enjoyed the ice cream.  My appreciation to all of the NBC Action Weather team today and everyday. ************* Mark, We love the weather and love sharing it with everyone! Jeremy
February 5, 2008 11:24 AM
 

Scott said:

Two thoughts and two comments.

First comment first thought.

While this is fun for us, lets not forget the HIGH risk part of this storm to the SE.  Remember..this storm will be back again for us in Spring.  

Second thought - not everyday you get a meso discussion for Winter weather...

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0154.html

Second comment - 4caster, I am not sure I agree with your 700-850 thoughts regarding timing.  In looking at a couple places, I see it getting its act together more around the 6-8PM or 0z-2z timeframe..not the 6Z you mention..

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_pcp_012l.gif
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_pcp_018l.gif

You can see the line is upon us at 0Z, and based on the postition in the next frame..I think it likely moves through in the 02Z timeframe through the metro.

Also, look at the NAM- about the same thing...

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/12/images/nam_pcp_012l.gif

RUC - Gets us there by about 22Z

http://ruc.noaa.gov/disp2.cgi?/w3/rapb/plots_20km_oper/.//+rh850mb+am+06

SREF -  00z-03z  http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/frames.php?run=latest

And the rucsounding still shows about a 2 degree drop in the 850mb level per hour.  45 degrees as of 16z at KMCI.  That would put it at freezing in 6 hrs or 23-00z.

So based on all this...I see the turn over at about 7PM with full snow around 9PM.  I think Gary hit this one right from what I can see...

As far as precip...you may be about right...
http://ruc.noaa.gov/disp2.cgi?/w3/rapb/plots_13km_bu/.//+snwtot+am+12

But...I am not ruling out the convective nature of this storm...

**************** Scott, I'm not looking forward to this Spring. Could be some scary setups for us. Also, try not to post long html links in the blog. That's how it gets goofed up sometimes. Jeremy
February 5, 2008 11:25 AM
 

JoeDogNKC said:

Long time reader, first time poster. I've always loved weather of all types and this storm has me worked up!!! I hope we get dumped on up by the Worlds of Fun area. I want to go play in the snow with my kids tomorrow and take the day off work (yeah right, I'll be working from home as usual). At least I won't have to drive in this mess though.

A couple of questions, if I could. Can someone explain what GFS stands for as well as NAM? I "assume" that NAM = North America, but I know what usually happens when I assume. ************** Great to have you posting! Please don't be a stranger to the comments section. We would love to hear storm reports and anything else weather related from you. GFS...I think is global forecast system. Thanks for stopping by the blog! You will see some snow! Jeremy
February 5, 2008 11:25 AM
 

dryslot said:

kristi are you getting rain or anything? here in unity we have nothing.
February 5, 2008 11:27 AM
 

backwoods said:

Twistr11 3-6 for kc metro-------6-10 north of gladstone i think
February 5, 2008 11:27 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

I am at work what did Brett say?  By zone please
February 5, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

no 'another station' says 2-4 for the northland up by gladstone *********** Please remember to not refer to other stations by name. Jeremy
February 5, 2008 11:29 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Eliane,
Thanks for the advice.  I will definately keep that in mind.  My daughter is in an after school choir, though, and if she misses it and it is not cancelled, she has the chance of being kicked out of the choir.  I would hate for that to happen cuz she loves to sing and has a BEAUTIFUL voice.  If she wasn't so young, we'd let her go to American Idol.  I will just have to keep an eye on what it is doing outside and they will just have to understand if it's bad out....she's gonna have to go.  
I just hope they do understand.
February 5, 2008 11:31 AM
 

backwoods said:

Just light rain now in Blue Springs
February 5, 2008 11:31 AM
 

Blusky said:

Still raining here in south LS. As of 11:30 had measured 2.2" of rain. Nothing frozen yet!
February 5, 2008 11:33 AM
 

f00dl3 said:

"Another station" has a chat room thing on their weather page... with the amount of posts these blogs get that may be an idea Gary & team...
February 5, 2008 11:34 AM
 

Dwxtracker said:

Why have temperature gone up over the past few hours? It was at 33, and now it is at 35. We still have a north wind, so is it the sun bleeding through the clouds? How long before we drop below freezing?
February 5, 2008 11:34 AM
 

dryslot said:

ok i got one for you guys..who thinks it will snow enough to close schools? in the south metro area? my vote is YES. sadly
February 5, 2008 11:34 AM
 

Corey said:

.97" liquid precip since midnight....moderate rain in Cameron right now with an air temp of 30 to 31...had rain, sleet, snow, hail, thunder and lightning with the activity that passed through this AM....minor street flooding due to icing up of the storm drains.....roads are wet with slushy spots...roughly 1/4 to 1/2 inch of slush...there is enough slush to push with the plows....will keep you updated.....
February 5, 2008 11:40 AM
 

USMCRanchGirl said:

Boy, the rain is really not letting up at all here in Peculiar.  Looks like I'll need to start building an ark!  I just hope we get hit a bit more here to the south than we've been getting all season.  I keep hoping those bands will move just a little bit further away from St. Joe and more toward us; we'd love an honest-to-goodness dumping of snow.  I'm still learning to sort out these maps and models and, thanks to the team and the bloggers, I'm learning as I go!
February 5, 2008 11:43 AM
 

Elaine said:

bewild -
I totally understand that!  Usually after-school activities are cancelled when it gets bad enough, but it doesn't look like it's going to get nasty enough for us in the south for that to happen today, although my daughter's bad concert at 7:30 might get cancelled.  You're farther north, maybe it will for you?  I do think if the forecast stays (Brett said Olathe 4-6" is that right?) that we will have at least 1 snow day.  And my son in high school is in the musical (practice from 3-10:30 last night and tonight) and it won't be good for them to be missing anything.  The performances start on Thursday.  I wish the snow weren't going to be overnight, I love watching it snow!
February 5, 2008 11:44 AM
 

nwmoelmo said:

Our dusting of snow started around8-9 am this morning. We have a very thick dusting at this time but I see this to be just the beginning. We have gotten our behinds kicked all winter this year.I am in Elmo Mo. About 3 miles from the Iowa boarder, due NW of Maryville.  So no rain up here.
February 5, 2008 11:46 AM
 

dryslot said:

elaine thinks no school and I do as well..so thats 2 for no school
February 5, 2008 11:47 AM
 

bewild79 said:

My son loves seeing it too! This is his first winter experience.  He was born and lived in Louisiana until this past July.  To you, Elaine, and anyone else that has to go out tonight....PLEASE BE CAREFUL.
February 5, 2008 11:48 AM
 

NorthOfRiver said:

Temp in Gladstone is now up a degree from an hour ago, 35.8, and just light drizzle.  From looks of radar it looks like a huge, dry rectangle has formed to the SW of Kansas City.  Is this gonna fall apart?
February 5, 2008 11:50 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Make that 3 for no school...
February 5, 2008 11:50 AM
 

StormWyndd said:

Hi Team,
Up at the top, it says be sure and watch at 11... and I know many of us would if we weren't at work.  :o)

Sooo any synopsis of the weather segment, or graphics added to the blog would be appreciated.  

Scott, I agree, that high risk down south is amazing and very frightening, I did a doubletake when I saw a PDS posted.  Sure makes one wonder how our spring is going to play out.
February 5, 2008 11:50 AM
 

Watkins Gal said:

Has there been any mention of flooding in the area?  My rain gauge is broke, so not sure what we have gotten...but our little creek that flows into the pond is well out of it's banks...even the wooden bridge we had over the "creek" is now in the middle of the pond!

Once again...great forecast guys!  Looking forward to "attempting" to keep up with the blog today.
February 5, 2008 11:50 AM
 

spaceotteradam said:

if this pans out there'll be no school make that 3 for that vote.
February 5, 2008 11:52 AM
 

f00dl3 said:

Almost back up to 36 here at Barry Rd & N Oak
February 5, 2008 11:53 AM
 

inlimbo said:

I'm with you USMC..I live about 3 miles south of Peculiar and we're due for our share of the snow...currently  we have rain showers after having thunderstorms and heavy rain..temp is holding at 34.4.. would love to see a more southern track to this storm...
February 5, 2008 11:53 AM
 

PeterG said:


Any predictions on how much snow south Johnson County will receive?  Do you think the storm will track south?
February 5, 2008 11:54 AM
 

jesstone said:

I hope I am not jinxing it, but go ahead and add me to that no school list for South O.P. tomorrow as well.  BRING ON THE SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   (Otherwise I will be cranky..........you won't LIKE me if I am cranky!!!!:)  LOL!
February 5, 2008 11:55 AM
 

bellgolf08 said:

thought i would tell you that here in sedalia it has POURED all morning. also had some rumbles of thunder. i see that the storm is shifting south. wonder how far it will shift?
February 5, 2008 11:55 AM
 

Stormdog said:

Stormdog here - 1.20" liquid precip in thunderstorms from 0600-1100 0 lightning - some cgs (cloud-ground) with a strike on a transformer in Blue Springs that has left the south branch library without power!!!  What a storm.  Now it can do what it wants - while I don't want snow, it can do it - at least I got my thunder and rain!

Dog
February 5, 2008 11:57 AM
 

leah s said:

Gary/Weather Team-
Two Questions:

1.  What time are you thinking that this is going to change over to sleet in the Metro?  I notice that some schools are already closing.
2.  What type of predictions of accumulations are you thinking for Roeland Park?

Thanks-and great job!
February 5, 2008 11:58 AM
 

dryslot said:

6 for no school.. so we all pretty much think at least 3" in the south side of the city from OP to Lees Summit..jesstone remember I called  it girl!
February 5, 2008 11:58 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

Looks like its allready building back out west.!
February 5, 2008 11:58 AM
 

kcroyals05 said:

1.7 inches of rain here in Grandview.    Latest snow forecast has 3 - 6 in the metro, so there most likely will be no school on Wednesday..

Bill
February 5, 2008 12:00 PM
 

Brent said:

33.3 degrees all morning here
1.30 inches of rain!!!!
not snow...
February 5, 2008 12:01 PM
 

jesstone said:

dryslot, I will owe you !!!!  How about an "Icee"?????LOL!
February 5, 2008 12:02 PM
 

dryslot said:

now its raining sideways in unity must have just needed a breather..or a small dryslot came thru : )
February 5, 2008 12:02 PM
 

KCStrmChsr said:

I am new to this blog as far as posting. Just been reading the posts for a few months now. I really love it that the weather team has opened up a blog that they give their comments on the weather and allow all of us to interact too. Not very many TV stations do this type of thing, so thanks! **************** Thank you so much for taking the time to post. Feel free to ask questions. Today we are busy...but all of us are trying to stop by the blog and answer questions from time to time! I hope you like snow:) Jeremy
February 5, 2008 12:04 PM
 

dryslot said:

ohh jess..simmer down girl..i you are tooo funny!! like snow but the ice has to go..i work outside except today i am sick but busting ice SUCKS!!! ************* If dryslot is sick...that has to mean snow! Jeremy
February 5, 2008 12:04 PM
 

mban112 said:

will some please post what they say during the noon forcast.  I am at work and unable to watch.  How much and how likely?
February 5, 2008 12:07 PM
 

adogg said:

Brent I think the south will be hosed again, im working in montrose, it has rained hard all day!
February 5, 2008 12:07 PM
 

N2mountains said:

What, you think you need that much snow for schools to close? They have proven many times it only takes a dusting to one inch, come on give em credit for truly not living up to our ancestors trudging in waist deep snow for school! School is out more than ever and we have all the latest toys to deal with the weather. Makes no sense!
February 5, 2008 12:07 PM
 

weatherjaded said:

For those unable to watch 11am forecast  it had 4-6 inches for all of metro from grandview to gladstone and from olathe to liberty.  KCI and north 6-10.  Raymore to adrian 2-3.  Changing to sleet about 7pm with snow about 9pm.
February 5, 2008 12:07 PM
 

Brent said:

I assume thats freezing rain or drizzle next sunday?.
February 5, 2008 12:08 PM
 

StormWyndd said:

Thanks weatherjaded!  
February 5, 2008 12:09 PM
 

Brent said:

I am going to watch the weather at noon....

lol I will watch the same station that said they would not give out snow total accumulations last night because they had no idea what it would be! rofl

good job team! you guys got the most accurate forecast out there early!
February 5, 2008 12:10 PM
 

Brent said:

yay no 40's on the 7 day!!!! *********** Last weekend(at least in the comments section I was talking about how the cold air may win out...especially if snow falls with this storm. And that looks to be the case right now. Jeremy
February 5, 2008 12:12 PM
 

shawn67 said:

Currently 39 degrees in Joplin while it is 75 degrees in Fort Smith. A distance of 119 miles.  That's nuts and scary for the storms that will fire up this afternoon.
February 5, 2008 12:13 PM
 

weatherjaded said:

no prob
February 5, 2008 12:14 PM
 

shawn67 said:

fantastic....a snow day on the first day that my kids are forced to give up TV for Lent...I can hear the screaming and crying now....simply fantastic. ************* I should make my 2 kids give up tv...then I wouldn't get a break:) Jeremy
February 5, 2008 12:15 PM
 

PoofDragon said:

Brent said: yay no 40's on the 7 day!!!!

So...do you ever go outside? Just curious.
February 5, 2008 12:16 PM
 

dryslot said:

n2mountains..i have seen 'em close with slick roads (dusting)and open with 2-3 inches..depends how the test bus gets around at 5 in the am..here in LS anyway.
February 5, 2008 12:16 PM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

I am a little concerned with the snow that is developing out in western Kansas.....it seems to be blossoming in the northern half of the state with a twist north of Dodge City. If that is a ULL it looks as if it will take its snow making well north of the KC metro area.  The Water vapor twist over eastern New Mexico/ West Texas looks to be to far south to make it to the metro. That would give a chance of snow down around Clinton and the lakes if it gets cold enough down there. Can you say Tonganoxie split?
February 5, 2008 12:17 PM
 

Fred said:

thanks weather jaded!

Fred
February 5, 2008 12:17 PM
 

dryslot said:

shawn that is tough!!! guess you are not wanting a snow day?
February 5, 2008 12:17 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Temps have dropped into the upper 20s in northern Kansas with snow.
This cold air is taking forever to get here....
February 5, 2008 12:17 PM
 

weatherjaded said:

Kids... no tv... for lent... no wonder i'm not catholic
February 5, 2008 12:17 PM
 

dryslot said:

poof dragon..very funny!!!!
February 5, 2008 12:19 PM
 

shawn67 said:

I guess I might as well fight the battle with the kids now rather than needlessly delay it.
February 5, 2008 12:19 PM
 

W0XDL said:

Still holding at 34 degrees in Eastern Jackson County (24 and 291).  Still raining too.  We have cancelled our after school busses...bummer!  Hopefully this event will really happen.  It will be fun to get home and watch the new data, new data, new data!

DL
February 5, 2008 12:20 PM
 

VdoManZ said:

do i see a dry slot?
February 5, 2008 12:20 PM
 

subby64735 said:

Well, we are sitting here at 34 degrees after one heck of a thunder boomer came through about an hour ago leaving us with a total of .96 of rain since late last night.  NWS really knocked the percentages down (to 30-40%) on any frozen precip tonight for Cass and Henry Counties....my guess is that they are banking on us being too warm for too long tonight or that this thing is going to loose it's punch.  All ingrediants are coming together, but who knows what is on their minds.  Jim in Clinton
February 5, 2008 12:22 PM
 

dryslot said:

yes you do.vdomanz..
February 5, 2008 12:22 PM
 

marlina10 said:

Weatherjaded - Please remember what Gary said about keeping religion out of this blog. Thanks!
February 5, 2008 12:22 PM
 

pihwht said:

34 in Brookside
February 5, 2008 12:23 PM
 

shawn67 said:

marlina10 --- it's my fault I brought it up...I don't there is an issue if we keep it lighthearted...
February 5, 2008 12:25 PM
 

dryslot said:

i am catholic and i had no prob with what jaded said...it takes dicipline some just cant do it..isn't that right jaded?   sorry guys I had to do it!!

--------------------

Let's keep it out of the blog! 

Gary

February 5, 2008 12:26 PM
 

Brent said:

Gary, if the GFS map is correct for this storm. then why would sedalia not be seeing at least 8 inches of snow?

I am looking at the map you posted above...and it looks like the heaviest precip is southeast of KC?

---------------------

The reason Sedalia won't see 8 inches of snow is because it won't changeover until after midnight in Pettis county.

Gary

February 5, 2008 12:27 PM
 

RDub said:

From NWS..."Precipitation will transition to all snow between 8 PM and
midnight... but dry air spreading in aloft is likely to gradually
diminish the snow intensity. Any ice accumulations this evening are
expected to be an inch or less."

------------------

Yes Rdub, but we may be in a developing comma head and the snow could last well into the morning on Wednesday. So, 10 hours of snow at 1/4 to 1/2 inch per hour would be a good 3 to 5 inches.  Add to this the likelihood of 1" per hour rates for a few hours, and you get to the higher amounts.

Gary

February 5, 2008 12:27 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Keeping it lighthearted is ok as long as no one is getting offended.  Last night was my first time on the blog and we had someone in here that was offending people with religion and racisim.  It was so childish.  It was a bad first experience for me in here, but I also know how some people can be.....I just think it is better to keep everything weather related:):):)
February 5, 2008 12:28 PM
 

Brent said:

"PoofDragon said:
Brent said: yay no 40's on the 7 day!!!!

So...do you ever go outside? Just curious"

Yes I do go outside...and as long as its not below 20 degrees with wind, I am fine

also its winter...and 70's in winter sickens me...let that stuff come in May!
February 5, 2008 12:29 PM
 

Allie said:

I've been lurking about here quite a bit...BUT...decided to join in. I am in Atchison County, Ks... We had (all at the same time) rain, sleet  & snow this morning - a pretty fair amount and it froze quickly. The roads are a real mess. I am always hoping for a BIG storm - of course nothing like the ice where we lost power for 8 days in Dec. - but a big snow. I am hoping the heavy band hits here. Anyone seeing a chance for that?
February 5, 2008 12:29 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

Look there is going to be a dry slot between this area of precip and later this evening.  Also, the twist you see looking like its going north is right, however if you look at the 500vort it shows an area going north, but the main storm comming up from TX passing over Joplin.
February 5, 2008 12:29 PM
 

subby64735 said:

Wow, I am just getting caught up on everything this morning and checking out the latest.  NWS stated also a 4-8" varience of snow totals is likely between NW metro and SE metro tonight......From up to a foot in the northlands and only an inch of frozen precip in Blue Springs, LS, Harrisonville and Clinton.  Man I hope this thing continues to sway south like the tendicies.  Keep our fingers crossed!  Jim in Clinton
February 5, 2008 12:29 PM
 

dryslot said:

ohh man wish i was on last night!!! darn i miss all the good stuff..nothin better then blog drama..
February 5, 2008 12:30 PM
 

Brent said:

"Any ice accumulations this evening are
expected to be an inch or less."

thats crazy! an inch of ice is a big deal...are you sure they didn't say .1 inches of ice or less?...lol
February 5, 2008 12:32 PM
 

mbmeek said:

"This hasn't happend yet!"...........nor will it. 1-3 inches on my lawn by this time tomorrow.
February 5, 2008 12:32 PM
 

PoofDragon said:

So how do you keep someone else from being offended? Personally, I am offended by those who are offended, usually the snow nuts.  ;-)
February 5, 2008 12:32 PM
 

PoofDragon said:

Sickens you? Wow. That sounds serious. You might want to have that seen about.
February 5, 2008 12:33 PM
 

Brent said:

"The reason Sedalia won't see 8 inches of snow is because it won't changeover until after midnight in Pettis county.

Gary"

thanks a lot for answering Gary, I understand now...theres good and bad things about being in the heaviest precip.
February 5, 2008 12:33 PM
 

bewild79 said:

dryslot,
It was a lot of drama...some of it was offending. I know people are going to have their own opinions and that's great.  We live in a free country, but they were turning a weather blog into.....crap.  I was trying to get the person to stop but everything I said...even calming...just fueled the fire.  It was soo silly.
February 5, 2008 12:35 PM
 

radman22 said:

The 1" of ice they are referring too will be sleet.   Not a major deal, except if your driving in it.    They should have said sleet instead of ice!!  
February 5, 2008 12:36 PM
 

smmikeman said:

Looks like an area of precip is forming near and just southwest of Topeka... also looks like the snow is growing west of Hutchinson!!!
February 5, 2008 12:37 PM
 

Jaygirl said:

Go to:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/weatherplus/default.aspx  and you can get the live streaming weather plus with their predictions for snow amounts.

Thanks weather team!


February 5, 2008 12:38 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Weather team- is there another low forming in the panhandle of TX/OK- I am trying to figure out the maps or is this the low from SoCal/AZ we were tracking yesterday--hopefully not a dum question...

I am on vacation this week so thats why all the comments.

JP

---------------

JP,

The most important thing to watch right now is the twist on satellite over western Texas.  This is the disturbance that will likely be our main snow producer tonight. I just tracked it and it will pass by south of Harrisonville tonight.  This is a good position to reform a new comma head?  But, will it happen.

Gary

February 5, 2008 12:38 PM
 

Brent said:

ok sleet...yeah....sleet is bad too though....
February 5, 2008 12:38 PM
 

Brent said:

I do believe I missed all this "drama" on the blog last night...lol

maybe I'll go back and find it...lol
February 5, 2008 12:39 PM
 

bewild79 said:

PoofDragon,
I am meaning by the religion and racisim stuff.  If it is about weather and weather only...there may be people that get offended by what other people say.  My point is that if the person/people that were doing it last night want to have convos about that stuff..start another blog somewhere...where people can expect to get offended by others opinions.  I just don't think its right for people to come on a WEATHER blog and say the things they were saying last night.  I am not trying to offend you cuz its not about you.  Its about what happened last night...I was just commenting because of eariler comments.  :):)

----------------

Thanks, and I think everyone has the message now.  We are going to get very busy in the NBC Action News Forecast Center this afternoon, so everyone let's keep it to weather on this rather amazing day.  We are already over one inch of rain in many spots.

Gary

February 5, 2008 12:40 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Thanks Gary!
February 5, 2008 12:41 PM
 

weatherjaded said:

I do apologize... Just joking
February 5, 2008 12:42 PM
 

LaurenUMKC said:

Why does the temperature seem to be rising now that the rain has slowed down?
February 5, 2008 12:43 PM
 

Fred said:

Gary,

Are you planning on dropping the 6-10 inch band into the two counties farther south?

Fred
February 5, 2008 12:43 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

I noticed on last nights snowfall map u had nothing for Columbia. Has that changed at all?
February 5, 2008 12:44 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Sorry Gary!
February 5, 2008 12:44 PM
 

marlina10 said:

Last night's comments is the exact reason I suggested we just completely leave religion out of this blog. Even if in the beginning comments are made in a lighthearted tone, all it takes is one person to submit a rude reply and suddenly it gets out of hand. The best way to avoid this is to stay away from the topic in the first place! =)
February 5, 2008 12:45 PM
 

Scott said:

Everyone..if not weather related, drop it - lest the snowgod rip your comments from the blog.
February 5, 2008 12:47 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Why does the NWS only say winter weather advisory?  I thought we were under a winter storm warning?
February 5, 2008 12:49 PM
 

KSuds said:

It's good to be in Platte City...I hope!
February 5, 2008 12:50 PM
 

Brent said:

I missed a good debate last night lol

so Gary, when is the area of sleet going to re-develop and move in? around 3 pm? maybe

its been steady at 33.3 here for 5 hours!
February 5, 2008 12:52 PM
 

kcroyals05 said:

just saw another forecast.    The believe that the south metro area will only receive 1 - 2 inches of snow at most.   I wonder what maps they really look at.   Anyways, when I went out this morning to cast my vote, there was talk of the storm.  There was a lively debate over who's is the most accurate.   I that it was funny, in a 4 - 1 vote, Gary and the weather team won...

Bring on the snow!!!!
February 5, 2008 12:52 PM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

Gary, that twist in Texas/New Mexico, is that the low you were thinking was going to be the snow producer around the St. Joe area that is now sliding a little more south or is this a new feature to this system. Also if that low passes just south of Harrisonville wouldn't that be to far north to give us south of the river a good snow. I thought we need those lows to be a little closer to Nevada to hit us with the heavy stuff.
I still think that low will track a lot farther south and miss the metro and that combined with the LOW over Kansas going north of us means little or no snow for the metro.
February 5, 2008 12:52 PM
 

inlimbo said:

Brent...you didn't miss much.. Temps in Peculiar have risen 1 degree last hour..rain has stopped...the calm before the storm?...I know , i know, wishful thinking :) The wind has seemed to pick up a little..
February 5, 2008 12:54 PM
 

Brent said:

"just saw another forecast.    The believe that the south metro area will only receive 1 - 2 inches of snow at most."

Depends on what you call the south side of the metro....if they are talking archie and down to butler...which is still in their viewing area...then they may not be far off....even Gary says 2 to 3 inches for Harrisonville. and an inch south of here.
February 5, 2008 12:55 PM
 

west winds said:

Remember  bewild79 the NWS had us in a winter storm warning last week and we got nothing out of it.
February 5, 2008 12:55 PM
 

PoofDragon said:

The Dragon likes Kelly.  ;-)
February 5, 2008 12:55 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Gary- I found a good loop on the Goes website- Thanks again

This will be fun to watch and track
February 5, 2008 12:57 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

Topeka radar growing out of nowhere, and alot to the SW we will see noe 31.9 degrees need to fall another 2 to be sleet and all SN++  Thhe more we get before tonite will increase storm totals to that local 12+. . . ************* Your storm prediction might turn out for someone! Let us know when the precip. reaches you and what form it is falling in. Jeremy
February 5, 2008 12:58 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Oh..I get it...they....nevermind. I don't want to jinx anything that anyone wants! LOL!
February 5, 2008 12:59 PM
 

Lisa said:

New to the blog, 36.1 in Blue Springs and raining. I vote no school for Wed. 6 to 8 inches on snow! This a really interesting blog with lots of info and opinions. Gary and team--Great Job!
February 5, 2008 1:00 PM
 

RDub said:

"So, 10 hours of snow at 1/4 to 1/2 inch per hour would be a good 3 to 5 inches."

3-5 is what the NWS has for Johnson County, so it sounds like they are thinking a lot like you are. *********** Should be somewhere in that neighborhood unless the changeover is quicker. Jeremy
February 5, 2008 1:01 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Hey weather team....did you all expect this much rain? Or did the moisture surge from the south catch you off guard just a bit??
Monica
Pleasanton KS
February 5, 2008 1:03 PM
 

kcroyals05 said:

Brent - The other forecast stated 1 - 2 inches, 2 for Raytown, 1 inch or so for Harrisonville..   As far as Archie and Butler, there forcast had no snow for them.   They feel that the heavy snow will remain to the Northwest and North of the metro..
February 5, 2008 1:03 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Platte Brooke North, Kansas City, Missouri (PWS)
Updated: 3 sec ago
Light Rain
35.4 °F / 1.9 °C
Light Rain
February 5, 2008 1:05 PM
 

Green Acres said:

My last post was removed from the blog for some reason and it was all weather-related.  Did I make somebody mad?  

Original post was a question for Heavysnow:  How much will LS area get? and do you think the low is tracking a little further south?
February 5, 2008 1:07 PM
 

WatchinInde said:

WINTER STORM Warning

I have not heard this anywhere else but here.

Are we under a Warning or a Winter Storm Advisory like the NWS still says?

How much would we have had if it would have been 4 degrees colder? ************* Parts of the metro are under a winter storm warning. Areas south a winter weather adv. , but we are seeing strong evidence of this going farther south.  Jeremy
February 5, 2008 1:08 PM
 

Braysmama said:

Wow-NWS has Johnson county Mo getting no snow and minor ice accumulations. Chance of snow is 40%.

-------------

As we said, the trend is farther south!

Gary

February 5, 2008 1:12 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

Its 33.4 in Tonganoxie, seems to be holding steady for now.  I am nervous thinking about the spring storms in my home without a basement!  Every spring I get excited and have to watch Twister again.  
February 5, 2008 1:15 PM
 

NorthOfRiver said:

Temp is still climbing in Gladstone up to 36.4, the moisture is disappearing to the west.  Everything seems to be going the wrong way.  I'm beginning to think this will be a big nothing.  
February 5, 2008 1:16 PM
 

KCStrmChsr said:

What is the thinking for possible snow amounts down in Olathe?
February 5, 2008 1:16 PM
 

Brett34 said:

Gary, Brent, or Jeremy,
Good afternoon.  Do you see any further trends south?
That's all im asking and I will keep you updated with surface reports from Olathe all evening if you want.  I know you are busy, but im having a heck of time seeing any movement at all.  I really want it to snow, bad.  More so than ever, spring is coming, LOL.   I know this is a strong storm and very hard for you.  We all appreciate you very much.   Thank you!  : )
February 5, 2008 1:18 PM
 

theaffirmspot said:

I'm still believing, but the temperature is still 38 in Overland Park. It needs to start dropping or we are just going to have a lot of rain frozen on the ground out of this.
February 5, 2008 1:20 PM
 

turksandcaicos said:

Can anyone say DRYSLOT FORMING!  The overland park dome is in full effect folks no snow coming here!!!!
February 5, 2008 1:23 PM
 

Barbara said:

I've got 35 degrees at my place in Olathe.  That thunderstorm this morning was so awesome!  Of course, it was awful trying to get the kids out of bed and off to school, but it was awesome.  
February 5, 2008 1:23 PM
 

Stormdog said:

Hi all -- Stormdog here -  hope you don't mind if I interrupt the festivities on this storm with my January Summary - but you can always scroll past it!!!  If interested, read below:

January 2008

And I thought December was a glacial month!!!  Well, I soon discovered my over-exaggeration of the
previous months measure of unpleasantness, when this month ushered in the coldest weather so far of the season with some highs only in the teens and a couple of readings below zero (-2F I think was the lowest in Blue Springs, but that’s just an educated guess).  Interestingly enough, the month was not one of continuous snowfall, as I had feared, but rather one with more liquid drops falling from leaden skies with more abundance than previous years.  I found this factor most welcome, as the grass seed I had sprinkled about in late November would benefit from the plenteous moisture.

A significant system moved past us on the 7th, which, while not producing anything at my place in the way of rainfall, was noteworthy, in that it triggered a somewhat rare severe weather event for southern Missouri.  Earlier, the NWS had suggested storms might be possible, but knowing Blue Springs, I took this with a generous dose of salt.  They advised “…Modest instability for this time of
year from Kansas City to north of Kirksville…LI’s (lifted-indices – the amount of instability measured
as one goes upward in the air column with the warm air lifted contrasted with the cold-air surrounding it – the lower the number the greater the instability – greater negative numbers later on in Spring) of -1 to -3 (anything minus indicates some instability) and CAPE (the potential energy to be released to
support the growth of cumulus into storms) are expected…”

Severe thunderstorms erupted with fury across central into southwestern Missouri, say from near Jefferson City towards Springfield.  Overnight, we had a total of .44” here, so perhaps a good shower or storm, though I slept through it.  In east-central Kansas, 76 mph winds were recorded, and three tornadic cells moved through Springfield, trisecting the city, with F2-F3 damage reported, and much damage, and 2 fatalities, 7 injuries.  One of these was a long-track twister, from Monett to southwest of Rolla, Missouri!

Two days later, on the 9th, another puissant (strong, powerful, mighty -  [Websters Unabridged Dictionary] swirl in the atmosphere high aloft flowed along in the jet-stream into eastern Kansas and western Missouri.  The technical NWS discussion noted that a “progressive upper short-wave over western Colorado…will amplify overnight…increasing dynamic lift with robust cyclonic vorticity advection (the swirl moving in causing the layers of the atmosphere to rise) and diffluent jet (air spreading apart aloft creates a chimney effect, drawing the air below upward much as a convective
stove draws air in and up) should promote more widespread UVV (upward vertical velocity)…”

This lead to a nice amount of moderate rainfall here during the morning, with a few snowflakes ending the event, although no accumulation at my place – a total of .65”.

Our next event occurred on the 16th, when yet another upper-disturbance moved out of the desert southwest into the central plains and the Kansas City metro area.  It had been forecast that a “good
band of frontogenetical forcing (lift caused by the front plowing into a relatively warmer airmass) progged (forecast) to develop and move east…” with the greatest snowfall potential across northern
Missouri,  north of St Joe.  We received sleet mixed with rain and after 1700, this rapidly turned to snow, becoming moderate, even heavy for a minute or two yielding a pesty 2 inches or so of wet snow – slushy highways driving home from work – a total of .47” liquid equivalent.

A system that was to threaten us with multiple inches of snow on the 29th – Winter Storm Warnings and dire predictions of up to 7 inches or so – proved to be a non-starter.  However, it was relatively a close-run thing, with the track of the storm just far enough south to spare us what southeastern Kansas, northeast Oklahoma, and southwest into eastern Missouri endured, where a good 10” to a foot of snow fell in places, along with thunder-snow.  At one point, Tulsa reported 3 inches in one hour, and I told myself, “now that had to be thunder-snow”  I had experienced it once when I lived in Mustang southwest of Oklahoma City one December, and you could not even see your neighbor’s house!!!  With the flashes of pink diffused by the flakes swirling about, thicker than moths around a light in summer, followed by cracks of gun-like thunder, it had been an experience!!!

PS - What a great storm for me this has been - on my day off, thunder during most of the morning, 1.20" in the rain-gauge - I couldn't ask for a more perfect day off!!!
The snow will come, or not, as the Storm Gods desire, but I do think some snow will fall in the KC area - just a gut feeling, but time will tell, as usual.

Cheers, and keep everything pleasant and courteous - there will always be another time if this storm doesn't work out.

Later,
Dog
February 5, 2008 1:24 PM
 

nastyweather said:

Look at this monster ULL at midnight tonight from the 18z RUC:
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/ruc/hr4/images/ruc_500_012m.gif

Also, this is very, very encouraging for midnight, showing at least .25" for a 3 hour period with freezing line well off to the SE.
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/ruc/hr4/images/ruc_p01_012m.gif
February 5, 2008 1:25 PM
 

N2mountains said:

Confused!
Trend is moving south, why isnt south of the Mo River being revised to a warning. NWS inidcates minor accumulations as well. If storm is going more southerly wouldnt we increase in totals? What is happening?
February 5, 2008 1:26 PM
 

Weatherfly said:

Thanks nasty, Thats what I like to see.
February 5, 2008 1:27 PM
 

RickMckc said:

nastyweather ... wow, that's nasty! (In a good way for this snowlover!)
February 5, 2008 1:27 PM
 

Scott said:

The latest sounding from KMCI has 800mb temps at 42F.  The trend is still on track of about 2 degrees per hour drop in the middle atmosphere.  That should put us about 5 hours out from the 700/850 thickness being at freezing.

By watching the current soundings and the progs, it seems the cold air is nearing KMCI, with surface temps progged to drop a degree an hour with the upper air drops as well.

I would expect based on the STJ sounding prog for 20Z that it should start mixing around the 20Z timeframe.

I see snow readings very near to there...

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/surface/displaySfc.php?region=ict&endDate=20080205&endTime=-1&duration=0

This is a beautiful view of this ULL...

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satellite/displaySat.php?region=ICT&itype=wv&size=large&endDate=20080205&endTime=-1&duration=7

Jeremy - these links are fairly short.  I don't expect it to push your blog out horizontally.
February 5, 2008 1:28 PM
 

Braysmama said:

So if the storm is going farther south, the likelyhood of Johnson county MO getting measureable snow will be better? I thought it would go way up north and we end up with under an inch, but hoping for at least a couple!
February 5, 2008 1:28 PM
 

pattyd said:

How much do you think Odessa will get?
February 5, 2008 1:29 PM
 

N2mountains said:

Scott,
Looks like system is pulling more north than south or east?
February 5, 2008 1:32 PM
 

NorthOfRiver said:

Scott,
if you're worried about long links, try this:
http://tinyurl.com/
shortens them down for posting :0)
February 5, 2008 1:33 PM
 

nastyweather said:

I see what your saying about the dryslot, but this storm is far from over.  It's not even supposed to start snowing until 8pm, so you obviously won't even see that on radar yet.  This is just the appetizer before the main course this evening.
February 5, 2008 1:33 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Nice job Stormdog
February 5, 2008 1:35 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

it is very impatient waiting for temperatures to drop here when it is 25F in Concordia, KS.  Winds are NE in Manhattan with a temp around 31F.

The cold air had better hurry up.

Why are the temperatures rising in KC????
Winds should pick back up from the NORTH this afternoon with a mix likely between 3-5PM before gradually transitioning to snow.
February 5, 2008 1:37 PM
 

RickMckc said:

To visualize the difficulty of the forecast in this area, check the snowfall forecast from the WRF model as of 7am tomorrow at this link (take this with a big dose of salt!):

http://www.grib2.com/wrf/CENTRAL_WRF_SFC_ACCUM-SNOWFALL_48HR.gif

It's a little hard to make out where we are because of all the colors, but if you look closely it's showing a range of 16 inches to 5 inches from Gladstone to Independence. That's just an incredible variation over an incredibly short distance.

So, given that it is Election Day ... this one is too close to call, folks. We won't know until all the votes are in!
February 5, 2008 1:37 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Goodland, KS is having blizzard like conditions right now with 0.25 mile visibility and heavy snow!
February 5, 2008 1:38 PM
 

sertorius said:

Gary, Jeremy, Brett, and Jeff:

How are you all holding up this afternoon-I can only imagine how busy you are-wow-what a day already!!! Thanks so much for the great update and the ind epth analysis!! I think it is awesome that you are, as you always do, calling it like you see it!!! This is just gascinating to track!!

A few more random observations:

1. Lite snow is currently being reported in Topeka-still rain here, but our winds have picked up and my thought is that we get close to freezing in the next 2-3 hours

2. The 19Z Surface charts are showing that 1029 surface High moving out of Manitoba into North Dakota-I mention this, becuase to me, this has to help provide a push to the South of the developing storm as well as help push down the reenforcing shot of cold air. You can also see the that the 1024 isobar is now into Nebraska with the 1020 into North West Kansas.  It is in reality probably nothing, but it is just something I think is interesting and could play a part

3. On the 19Z the surface low is almost into the far South West corner of Missouri and also that from 17Z-18Z the front tried to move North but now, it is now firmly south and looks to stay in a Rolla-Oklahoma City line and may just stay there

4. Combined with where the front is now and the High to the North that is drifting down into North Dakota, I just really can't imagine how this could track over Kansas City

Oh well, just some random observations-I hope they make some sense!! Whatever the case, this is going to be really fun to track and to learn from!!! Thanks for providing such a great place to do that!!! Have a great afternoon and hang in there-you guys are all Tight!!!!!

Bill in Lawrence
February 5, 2008 1:38 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

RickMckc,
I like the 12Z NAM a little better. It shows the metro and points north with at least 0.75 to 1.00 inches of QPF.
February 5, 2008 1:39 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Bill,
I think your area SHOULD get at least 3-6 inches from this storm has long as we don't get dry slotted. Precip coverage has diminished further to the south and west for now...
February 5, 2008 1:40 PM
 

RDub said:

Central, look on the map Gary posted in this blog. To the NE of Kansas City, temps are about the same as they are here. Heck, even now it's still 34 in Keokuk IA and 33 in Kirksville, Mo. As long as winds are from the NE and not the NW, we won't cool down much.
February 5, 2008 1:40 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

February 5, 2008 1:41 PM
 

RickMckc said:

CentralOP2 ... could be a better choice of model:

http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS1_MESO-ETA212_SFC_ACCUM-SNOWFALL_84HR.gif

Still looks like a tough gradient in terms of snowfall - especially forecasting it! :)
February 5, 2008 1:41 PM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

If you use the magnifing glass on that map of RickMckc's  you can zoom in on KC area........but a big dose of salt is correct there were a lot of 18-20 inch blobs sprinkled in the 15-18 band just NW of the City.  

But I still think this thing goes around us

Kelly
February 5, 2008 1:42 PM
 

RickMckc said:

Rdub - I had the same hunch this AM when I saw the winds from NE ... looks like the inital front stalled too quickly for maximizing snow out of this thing. But still should be a very decent dose in my "little hobbyist mind," as Bill in hoping-for-snow-Lawrence would say!
February 5, 2008 1:43 PM
 

Kimberly said:

How do you think it will be at around 7pm in Johnson County, KS? I am planning on going to the caucus tonight!  Should it still be ok for driving that early in the evening?
February 5, 2008 1:46 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

So when will the NWS decide to put Olathe in the Winter Storm Warning? ******** Probably by 3pm. Jeremy
February 5, 2008 1:47 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

I'm standing by my 1-3" for the metro for my own personal reasons. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
February 5, 2008 1:47 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

Weather team, could you please let me know what your thoughts are for Columbia?
Any snow?
February 5, 2008 1:50 PM
 

weatherjoe said:

Any chance for a tongie split
February 5, 2008 1:51 PM
 

Jayhawk said:

Can someone post a link for past snowfall data for Kansas City and surrounding areas, say for the past 50 years.  Thanks!

February 5, 2008 1:51 PM
 

RickMckc said:

For completeness, I'll post the other model snow forecasts ... not sure if these are worth the bits and bytes they are drawn with, but here goes:

Latest RUC run - totals as of 1am tonight  ...
http://www.wxcaster2.com/CONUS1_RUC236_SFC_ACCUM-SNOWFALL_12HR.gif

This AM's GFS run - storm total ...
http://204.2.104.196/gfs/WINTER_GFS0P5_SFC_ACCUM-SNOW_84HR.gif

Even if it doesn't pan out, it's still a heck of a lot of fun to see such forecasts for this area. Reminds me of growing up on the East Coast ...
February 5, 2008 1:52 PM
 

NorthOfRiver said:

Okay for what it is worth, I called a psychic friend of mine and she "ran the cards" on the snowstorm for me:
She said we are coming out of an influence of self-deception (last snowstorm?) and while in the present it appears much like lunacy is happening that with the guidance of wise council (Gary?) we will see the truth emerge.  She spoke of canceled celebrations which I take to mean lots of snow.  When I pressed her for an amount she hesitated and said 10 inches.  Which of course would only apply to Gladstone. *************** In reality aren't we psychics with better information:) Jeremy
February 5, 2008 1:52 PM
 

RickMckc said:

February 5, 2008 1:54 PM
 

RickMckc said:

Actually, Jayhawk, this page is more what you were asking for ...

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/eax/localclimate/seasrank/snowseason.php
February 5, 2008 1:57 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

We've hit 32 now in Tongie.  still misting, not icy yet though.  Hopefully everyone can make it home safely.  Be careful y'all.
February 5, 2008 1:58 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Boy, things are cooking down South. 1st High Risk of the season.

Just imagine if it was Spring time for us.
February 5, 2008 1:59 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

just say no to the Tongie split!  
February 5, 2008 1:59 PM
 

TheBrad84 said:

So are we expecting more precip. to develop to our south and west, because the current radar trends show the snow to our west quickly diminishing and moving well north. The only good area of precip (currently on radar) that could still hit the KC area is way down south in Oklahoma, and that is a ways off. If Gary is still thinking 3 to 6in. here in KC Metro, where is the precip coming from? Is this storm hitting in waves, this first batch of all liquid precip being the first wave?
February 5, 2008 2:01 PM
 

MikeL said:

Well, I am right where I was yesterday on this storm...I'm not convinced Topeka-KC will see much of anything.  The radar is not too impressive and the snow axis has set up to the north so far.  CentralOP, a slightly warming atmosphere to me always indicates the upper level storm will pass over us or to the north taking the heavy snow up north with it.

I could be wrong and hope I am.  But I've seen this too many times before where we are supposed to get heavy snow and see nothing...Mike in Topeka
February 5, 2008 2:01 PM
 

NorthOfRiver said:

Jeremy:
better information and probably better health benefits and 401k?  good luck on this one.
February 5, 2008 2:02 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Thanks Jeremy, I can't wait!! Any chance of a Blizzard?


Don't about you guys...




.... But I'm getting hungry for one!! :)
February 5, 2008 2:02 PM
 

BrianJayhawk said:

Is it sad that all day in class I just keep updating my browser to read the comments?? Thank you KU for having wifi in all the buildings and an iPhone!

Its misting here on Mt. Oread and there is a cool breeze.

Brian
February 5, 2008 2:04 PM
 

Weatherfly said:

new NAM is out, check out the QPF in the next 12 hours...

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/18/images/nam_p12_012l.gif
February 5, 2008 2:08 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Looking at computer models is like listening to politicians - they each have their own views and ideas but most of the time none of them are right.
February 5, 2008 2:08 PM
 

farmgirl said:

It's started to flood down here in La Cygne. Small streams are over the banks. Back pasture looks like a lake and the down spouts can hardly keep up with the rain. Where is my friend Dry Slot?? I'm ready for the precip to end! Can't even get to my septic to get it fixed and now the roof has sprung a leak! Argggg.
February 5, 2008 2:11 PM
 

MTongate said:

Can we get an update Gary!!!!!!!!   Thanks MT
February 5, 2008 2:13 PM
 

Donna said:

f00dl3 - What does it all mean?  Thanks...  I think we have too many Indian chiefs here and not enough Indians
February 5, 2008 2:13 PM
 

ethalo said:

I need educating about part of this blog.
If you click on "Forums", is that where you see who is logged on here?
If so, then it looks like Jeremy,Brett and Gary have "left the building"...(or "out to lunch !) LOL
February 5, 2008 2:14 PM
 

jbtornado said:

Take it for what its worth folks, This system has bust written all over it. Here in Salina, we were supposed to have 4-6" of snow by dusk... and I have NOTHING.... We have had a little bit of sleet, and light rain... and its been sporadic at best.

I think some of the snowfans have gotten carried away as of late with this system.
February 5, 2008 2:15 PM
 

Angelo said:

My buddy in Milwaukee just sent me this from the local paper's Web site:

Area totals could reach 14-18 inches
If you're pondering a wager on this coming snowstorm, bet heavy on at least 12 inches and throw some long-shot money on 20, at least in some areas of southeast Wisconsin.

The low-pressure system moving north and east from the Missouri Valley has been sucking up impressive amounts of moisture as it moves toward Milwaukee, raising the stakes for a powerful mid-winter storm.

Snow and rain have been falling in parts of Iowa this afternoon and the system will pick up its snow-making intensity in Wisconsin later tonight. From 10 p.m. to 8 a.m., the storm will deliver one to two inches of snow per hour, according to Bill Borghoff, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Sullivan.

Borghoff said lighter snow will start falling in the Milwaukee area about 4 p.m. and the storm will pick up the pace as the evening turns into night.

The prevailing wisdom among the forecasters puts the totals around Milwaukee at 14 to 18 inches, with upwards of 20 in isolated pockets.

"It's a very significant storm," Borghoff said.
February 5, 2008 2:17 PM
 

N2mountains said:

new blog?
February 5, 2008 2:17 PM
 

shoedog said:

I just heard Gary's update on 980 at 2:00 still saying 6-10 up north , 3-6 south.  Rain to sleet from 4-7 then 8-9 turning to snow.
February 5, 2008 2:17 PM
 

PeterG said:

My niveustrak is reading 5.6 with a southward trajectory.  I predict around 17 inches for N. KC and 6 - 10 inches for South KC and Johnson County.
February 5, 2008 2:18 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

32 again NNE wind 20mph now we need precip!!!
February 5, 2008 2:19 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Kinda wierd looking....169 and 68th st...it is such light rain, but not drizzle, but it almost looks like light snow.
February 5, 2008 2:20 PM
 

radman22 said:

The low pressure has not even starting moving our way yet.   The precip was suppose to die down and pick up this evening.    I am wondering if this storm will pass even further to our south than what we think now.  
February 5, 2008 2:21 PM
 

ethalo said:

 PeterG ...
What is niveustrak ????
February 5, 2008 2:21 PM
 

heavysnow said:

jbtornado,

Its called looking at the models and now looking and finding the low pressure that is SW of right now and still hasn't hit us.  

Yes, its going to snow

February 5, 2008 2:21 PM
 

Hans said:

BUST City!!  Seen this too many times.  Dusting to an inch tops in Lee's Summit.  Oh well, less to shovel.

Hans Out!
February 5, 2008 2:22 PM
 

heavysnow said:

I wish the snow map would be put on the blog
February 5, 2008 2:22 PM
 

MikeL said:

jbtornado, I'm thinking that, too - for SLN-TOP-KC area anyway and probably points south and east...
February 5, 2008 2:23 PM
 

heavysnow said:

You are going to be wrong hans
February 5, 2008 2:24 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

The NAM is really good!!
February 5, 2008 2:24 PM
 

jbtornado said:

not objective or anything heavysnow? I mean look at your screen name.. I've never seen one post or forecast out of you that says its going to moderate or this system isn't going to be as strong as first thought. Get a hold of yourself
February 5, 2008 2:28 PM
 

brian1234 said:

with all the heavy rain we have had today and will continue to have, it will be difficult for the snow to really accumulate, the rain helps keep the ground from getting cold enough for the precip to start mounting up. The good news is that the streets should not be that much of a problem.it will just be a shushy mess till late tonight, but i guess it depends how fast and massive the cold front really pushes in. Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
February 5, 2008 2:28 PM
 

Hans said:

I hope I am wrong, but something does not look right!

Hans Out!
February 5, 2008 2:28 PM
 

kellyann said:

Bill, what is all the darn sirens for again in Grandview?
February 5, 2008 2:29 PM
 

kellyann said:

Amazing, I just get home and all heck breaks out on the highways, lol...maybe it is slick out and I did not notice?
February 5, 2008 2:30 PM
 

Hans said:

New Blog!
February 5, 2008 2:31 PM
 

Brett34 said:

SIRENS, kellyann- the tornado sirens?  
February 5, 2008 2:37 PM
 

kcroyals05 said:

Kellyann - another accident on HIghway 71 Southbound.  About the same area as this morning.  1 car rollover.   Kansas City was out of position, so Grandview responded....
February 5, 2008 2:50 PM
 

Brett34 said:

ahh police sirens.  How accurate is this map because that is insane!
http://www.grib2.com/wrf/CENTRAL_WRF_SFC_ACCUM-SNOWFALL_48HR.gif
February 5, 2008 2:53 PM
 

JustcallmeMOM said:

Hi.  I have a question.  Why does it rain and not ice if the windchill is below freezing?

(I'm 9 -- my mom is letting me post.)
Alex
February 5, 2008 5:55 PM
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