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is it looking like all rain Sunday?

woohoo I'm first!

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We'll have a much better idea after the morning runs.  But right now it looks to be a rain changing to mix/snow type storm.

Jeremy

Thank you Gary and Team for the great update!  I am praying for more snow.  I live in the northlands, and I have had more than my fair share.  It's selfish, but I can't help myself!  Think white!!!!!

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Keep thinking white!  There are many more chances of snow ahead, even as we move into March.

Gary

Exciting stuff!! Let's all blow real hard to the west to slow that thing down.  That could really improve our snowfall totals.  I'm praying for all of us on this one.  I know the south is depressed, but it will come.  I just hope it doesn't miss Platte City to hit you guys.  I want us all to have a widespread half foot or more!  

HERE'S TO THE SNOW!!!

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So selfish!  You just want more, more, more.  We will know within 48 hours.

Gary

I hope this one stays south, everyone down there deserves some snow. I don't really want any this weekend. How does it look so far? Will it leave the northland alone? I have to wonder what will happen with it being so much colder up here. The snow hasn't had a chance to melt off yet.

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I am sure it isn't melting this morning.  We aren't ready to make the call on who will get the snow and who will miss it yet.

Gary

On a sadder note, my grandfather passed away last night.  He was 88, so he had a good long life.  The last person close to pass, was my best friends mother.  The last snow storm when we got 7", was right in between her wake and funeral.  I asked her for some snow.  Sounds crazy, but I'm a believer.  I don't want to get into any kind of religious debate, because this ain't the place, and I'm not religious.  But I must say one thing:  how can one not believe, when us being here is already unbelievable enough.  So in light of that, if we get a good snow storm out of this, I'm dedicating it to my grandfather; Ralph Moore Sudduth.  I love you Papa!

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We are sorry to hear about your Grandpa.  Maybe you will see some snow for your dedication.

Gary

thanks for the reply Jeremy!  You guys are awesome replying here yet I'm watching you on TV as well.  Bring on lots of snow!
Doug in Riverside

Here's to the snow!  After the last couple of days I have had, a BIG snow and a walk in the woods woods would go a long way to clearing away some memories.  I won't even complain about Monday being a day off school anyway just in case we get dumped on!

DL

KSuds,

My condolences to you. I agree with your snow dedication to your grandfather. That would be nice.


Gary thanks for the update I will look forward to the new DATA.


14* COLD! 87th and I-35

NWS statement 6AM this morning!

OVERNIGHT SATURDAY NIGHT AND INTO SUNDAY...SNOW IS EXPECTED TO
DEVELOP WITH THIS STORM...WITH A POTENTIAL FOR A HEAVIER BAND OF SNOW
FROM NEAR THE KANSAS CITY AREA...NORTHEAST TOWARD KIRKSVILLE. THERE
IS STILL UNCERTAINTY ON THE EXACT TRACK AND TIMING OF THIS
STORM...BUT AT THIS TIME IT APPEARS SOME AREA COULD PICK UP 3 TO 6
INCHES OF SNOWFALL. THE ONE LIMITING FACTOR WOULD BE THE SPEED AT
WHICH THIS STORM SYSTEM WILL BE MOVING ACROSS THE REGION. THE HEAVIER
SNOWFALL SHOULD ONLY OCCUR IN ABOUT A 6 HOUR PERIOD. GUSTY NORTHWEST
WINDS WILL ALSO BE OCCURRING WITH THE SNOWFALL...SO THERE WILL BE THE
POTENTIAL OF SIGNIFICANT BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF THE SNOW.
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This is what the NWS said in their discussion this morning.   But, as I said, there are many uncertainties.  Let's see what happens with the new data.

Gary

Thanx folks!  By the way it was 10 in Platte City this morning.  Still some huge piles left from the snow plows, and a few shaded yards with a couple of inches.  My sledding hill is bare though, so we need this next snow to hit!  No school Monday means sledding for the kids!!!  

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We will know soon.

Gary

I am really concerned about flooding here in northern Bates and southern Cass counties. We had enough of that last year, and the last system brought minor flooding with it. With the current ground saturation, sounds like we will be flooded again this weekend.

Good morning all, I'm usually all for snow,but not this time. Monday is my B-day and if we get more than a couple inches my hubby will have to work:(
Thanks for the great updates and blogs weather team,keep up the great job!

Gang,

Based on my review of the latest model runs, I see a windy rain event changing into a wet snow event from west to east. It would appear that outside of the exact storm track and the always critical level and timing of intensification, the timing of the "phasing" of the northern system and the southern system will be "the" critical factor in whether we will see a significant snow event in the KC metro or not. Temperatures will be critical for us as well. We need some cold air to wrap in as the northern system phases with the southern system.

As evidence of growing confidence in the event, the NWS office in Milwaukee has already hoisted Winter Storm Watches for the southeastern third of Wisconsin with snowfall amounts in excess of 12" possible there by Monday morning. They suggest the low center will track from southwest Missouri to central Illinois to western Michigan by Monday afternoon. Then, as a phased system, they are forecasting high winds with the storm. I know all of this is preliminiary at this point.

Gary and team, we look forecast to your expertise on this storm as we get closer to the actual event. The model runs look impressive for us at this point. I think we are "due" for a real snowstorm.

Bob

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Bob,

We are due, but Wisconsis will get it.  There is nothing we can do about the fact that this storm is going to be a monster snowstorm northeast of us.  The big question is how fast does it form on Sunday morning.  Will we have 1 hour of snow or 6 hours of snow?

Gary

Gary,

What factors will likely determine whether we get 1 hour or 6+ hours of snow?

Thanks!

Bob

I wouldn't count on more than a dusting. I just don't see a major snowstorm happening when there is this much moisture - the moist air will probably prevent the air from cooling down enough to form snow unless we have a good lull in the precip like we did the last time we had this much moisture in the air (even then, we barely had 3" over a 10 hour snow window).

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The moisture is not a big factor at all.  The track of the upper level storm is the key factor, combined with the phasing from the northern branch which does not happen until Sunday.  This could be too late for us to get enough cold air for the changeover to snow.  But, it will be close.

Gary

All I know is that the 12z NAM has most of the viewing area in band of 2"+ of liquid equivalent.  I just can't believe there's that much moisture available this time of year.  Anyway, us "southerners" will go through the ritual "snow tease" and end up with nothing.

Gary,

KUDOS, once again on your forcast yesterday, you were the only saying it would get as warm as it did. Sadly, it didn't stay around long and now its back to old man winter. Spring and warmth can't get here soon enough for me. Also, you were the first to pick up on latest storm when no one else was even mentioning the possibility. I continue to tell everyone you and the NBC weather team are terrific and the best by far!!!!!

Jeff

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Jeff,

Thanks for noticing.  We appreciate it!  Now, we have a very tricky forecast for Sunday.

Gary

Wow, the NAM plows us on Sunday.  However, how many times have you said this over this winter "the NAM is the NAM".  So, I am taking its solutions with one very small grain of salt.  Deep down I do hope it verifies, though.

Later,
Mike in Ottawa

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Mike,

Great to hear from you.  The NAM is very wet with some areas in the 2"+ total precip.  That would be pretty amazing.  The GFS also has precip. around the area, maybe not quite as much, but still looks like a good bet of rain, maybe some snow this weekend.

Jeremy

You can clearly see the twist in the atmosphere over Arizona here:

http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php

Also, notice precipitation starting to break out over Texas.

Bob

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Satellite loop looks pretty good right now!  The Southwest is where the ULL is tracking today...maybe even into Mexico too.

Jeremy

bgmike ... I'm not sure I see the same thing on the NAM. It looks to me like the temps stay just above freezing at the surface; the changover occurs about 10am with maybe .35 of precip following that. Sounds like a heavy wet snow that doesn't muck up the roads as much, maybe?

Of course, as you say, "the NAM is the NAM." And I have other interests on Sunday morning that lead me to pull strongly for a non-event - the only time during the week that I do NOT want snow. :-)

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This will be a great time for everyone to watch the weekend morning show!  I will be tracking the rain/snow all morning long this weekend!

Jeremy

I'm very interested in seeing exactly which method this storm will use to give KC the least amount of snow possible, while other locations get blasted yet again.  Will it be the storm tracks too far south, or too far north, or it's just a couple of degrees too warm for an early enough changeover and most of the precip falls here as rain, or the southern stream storm moves too fast and doesn't phase with the northern stream system until it's past KC?  Again, this is KC so snow lovers should take a wait and see attitude and not get their hopes up yet.  Yeah, I'm a snow pessimist.

Is there going to be a quick peroid of sleet when he rain changes over to snow and will all the rain that falls be able to freeze over on sunday

The 54-hr (Noon Sunday) NAM from this last run looks like an impressive but narrow band of heavy wet snow, just north of KC...looks like the northern areas again get the most with the rest of the area seeing mostly rain. If you believe the NAM.

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Rdub,

Looking at the extracted data on one of my favorite sites the NAM produces 7.3" of snow at KCI from the 12Z run.  Do I believe it...no.  Is the storm capable of a heavier snow band...yes.  But then again as you said, if you believe the NAM.  GFS hasn't been producing as much liquid.  Hopefully the 12Z GFS doesn't through a new wrinkle into the mix:)

Jeremy

Hate to say it Jeremy, but you and I are somewhat in competition on Sunday mornings ... :-) But I'll tune in Saturday!

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How's that?  I'll try to give KCK a shout out Saturday:)

Jeremy

"it's just a couple of degrees too warm for an early enough changeover and most of the precip falls here as rain"

that's the horse to bet on.

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Certainly possible...but the track will likely hold the key to how quick the cold air spills in.

Jeremy

My adopted home state of Texas will get a much-needed soaker out of this weekend's storm.  Although last year was much wetter than normal there on the whole, the last several months have been very dry across central and west Texas and the danger of range fires has been on the rise.  Forecasters are calling for 2-4 inches of rain across areas of central and east Texas from tonight thru Sunday morning, although the SPC indicates there is a moderate risk of severe storms accompanying all this rain.

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I wouldn't mind if the severe weather stays out of our area for a while.

Jeremy

Yeah, RDub, you're probably right.  A delay in the changeover might occur if the northern stream system doesn't phase with the southern stream system until they're past us.  The northern system is the one that would provide the cold air for a quicker changeover to snow here, right?

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One thing I'm pretty certain of is heavy snow for Madison, WI and also Milwaukee.  Those two areas have really been in the bullseye this year!  Over 80" of snow in Madison.  After living there I can't even imagine that much in Madison.

Jeremy

RickMcKc,

I see what you are saying.  I was just basing my statement on total precipitation.  The NAM indeed "plows" us with a very wet system.  

I give to you a link for a 6 hour precip total from the 12z NAM.....
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/12/images/nam_sl8_054m.gif

I also give to you a link to a snowfall total for the Sunday as well from the 12z NAM which gives us a solid 5" over the region....
http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CONUS1_ETA212_SFC_ACCUMSNOWFALL-KUCHERA_60HR.gif

Remember though, the NAM is the NAM and the GFS is rolling out now:)

Later,
Mike in Ottawa

I think if anyone gets snow (measurable) from this system, it will be from KCI and  north like it usually is. If you live south of KC it will be all rain with a mix near the end. KC proper should get rain then up to a few inches of snow. Just like last time basically, I have been right everytime and Im sure the system will play out this way again. Im so glad, I would hate to deal with snow!

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If you've been right everytime I think we could find a job for you:)  I think rain to snow in most spots, but freezing rain can't be ruled out for a time especially in the northern tier counties.

Jeremy

Jeremy, are you a big snow lover like Gary?  If so, you must be a little disappointed that you left Madison just before their snowiest winter ever!!! :(  I'm a snow lover, but I've become so jaded in Kansas City that now I never expect a big snow here until I see it piling up before my eyes, lol!!!

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Let me put it this way.  After living thru a winter with 272" in Marquette, MI...I've seen enough snow to last the rest of my life:)  I'm not a big snow lover.  I'd take one 4" snow a winter and then it could be warm and I'd be happy. 

Jeremy

Jeremy do you wish you were back in Badger country right now with all this snow or does it just get tiring to have that much snow to deal with during the winter?

bgmike - it does show lots of precip, that's for sure.

jeremy - my "competition" with you is that i have a speaking gig at 9:30 and 11 every Sunday AM. I hate to say I'm "praying" for no snow until after say, 12:15pm, but I am. :-)

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Say a prayer the snow stops in Madison, WI and that I sell my home soon!  If  the snow would stop in Madison and come to KC I wouldn't complain:)  Too bad another 6-10" is on the way for MSN this weekend.

Jeremy

Jeremy or Gary would I be correct in saying that when comparing the GFS and the NAM for this weekend, it's really not a matter of rather or not we get precip.  That looks  like a sure bet as it gets closer.  Isn't the 540 line the key factor?  Looks like the NAM drops it south of us several hours sooner than the GFS.  Is that the key?

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We are pretty confident in precip., our chance is at 90%.

Jeremy

Jeremy, a winter season total of 272 inches is just ridiculous and beyond my comprehension.  I think I'd be a little tired of the white stuff too at that point.  The most I've ever experienced in one winter was roughly 60 inches in Connecticut in the infamous winter of 77-78, a long time ago....

No job wanted in weather, only because I don't take kindly to people bashing someone if they make one little mistake! I will stick to being a PA

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Come on it's fun!  I'm kind of like a medieval knight...bad comments just bounce off the armour:)

Jeremy

This is one of those systems that is so marginal for alot of types of precipitations its going to be tough to forecast. Please keep this in mind before hammering the meteorologists here with questions about exact weather conditions in your neighborhood! Systems like this before have produced 10-14" snow bands and others have produced cold rain.

There's alot if interesting factors to consider: A) we have more daylight now then we have in the past and more of a moisture and warm surge on the front side of this Low then other systems. B) We have more cold air in Canada to work with then we did in alot of December. C) The timing... If this system slows down a bit more or speeds up just a bit more then forecasts suggest, it could make a huge difference. D) What will the thunderstorms and severe weather do in Texas and Oklahoma? These all have variable impacts on what  could happen up here! I've seen other forecasters in Wichita say there could be thunder with sleet and freezing rain at times also!

You'll have an interesting weekend Jeremy atleast!

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This should be a fun one and I'll be around all weekend!  I'm guessing Gary will be helping out too so that we keep everyone updated on the air and in the blog.

Jeremy

This is a beautiful picture, but it's just another snow tease.
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_pcp_048m.gif

Im still thinking temps. will be from 31-34 F and that most of the rain will be FRZ. rain and sleet.

Yep nasty, that is all it is for you snow lovers, a tease. That is what makes me so mad about those maps! Ya really can't believe them because they change each run, lol.  They just get some people excited for nothing and I feel sorry for them.

Jeremy,

I lived in Madison in the winter of 1978-79 when the previous all-time seasonal record snowfall was set. That season was much like this one in Madison except we had colder and more severe outbreaks of arctic air [think -25 F type cold] between storm events. At one time during the winter of 1978-79, we had a recorded snow depth of a then record 36". Comparatively, the all-time season snowfall record for Milwaukee at 109" is much higher than the record in Madison. Obviously, some "lake effect" snow in the mix there.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled KC weather discussion...

Bob

Jeremy, is the graphic nastyweather linked to his blog entry at 9:57 from the new GFS run?  If so, does that suggest that the NAM and GFS are now more aligned in their predictions for Sunday morning?

I just love these exciting weather patterns!  I don't care where it happens, or even if it misses my neighborhood, I just love watching it all set up!  And, especially at this time of the year, whatever we do get in the form of frozen precipitation doesn't hang around too long.

Jeremy, one of my best friends lives in Oconomowoc, WI, and has bragged about all of their major snowfall amounts.  Funny thing is that their street crews do a MUCH better job of clearing snow off the streets as compared to KC.  What's up with that????  Seriously, my Northland neighborhood is NEVER cleared properly as compared to other areas within the same city limits.  It's SO frustrating!

Anyway, everyone have a wonderful weekend!!  Enjoy the weather!!!!!!!!!!!

Shelly

shellmeister, I too live in KC in the Northland and agree strongly with you that KC does a TERRIBLE job of clearing residential streets up here.  With their budget problems, it's probably only going to get even worse, if that's possible....

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So far I've found that Olathe does an excellent job of clearing the roads.  When I lived in Madison it was a nightmare when it came to snow removal.  Maybe that has changed since they have had a lot of experience this year.

Jeremy

Liking the trend on the GFS..

Matt..

Come on Chfs327 are "the voices" talking to you again?  Are Mrs. Ice and Mr. Storm telling you it's going to be a rough go on Sunday?  My voices are Mr. Snow and Mrs. Tease, and the misses always wins out.

Seds,

I feel like our snow removal (or lack thereof) is because of the fact that we are in the Northern-most annexed area of KC - which means we are the LAST to be taken care of.  I'm talking, TWO DAYS after a snowfall event, they FINALLY get around to 'attempting' to clean the streets!  Then, it's only a regular pick-up truck with a blade on the front.  He never gets the center of the street and don't even ask what he does in cul-de-sacs!  It's the biggest joke EVER.  This is what my tax dollars get me...whatever...

Jeremy, I have to admit, you guys at the station that do weather, have to have a coat of armour! I admire you all for being broadminded enough to let the negative comments and put-downs not bother you, or at least not outwardly show it here on the blog!

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We just try to let everyone know what is going to happen.  Does it always...no.  But very often the forecast works out.

Jeremy

I live on a couple of the biggest hills in Riverside and every snowfall I think I might go act like a kid and go sled riding but I never get a chance because the Riverside crews do probably the best job of snow clearing I've ever seen anywhere and I'm even on a dead end street.

Hardy har har Nasty.

There are voices telling me this. Its the nWs

If the models are correct and KC is in the comma head or deformation zone of the storm on Sunday morning, the probability of an ice storm here at that time is very low.  Ice storms usually occur when cold air at the surface is overrun by warm air aloft in the part of the storm where strong warm air advection is occurring, and warm air advection is not at its optimum in the comma head.

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I'm not seeing an ice storm setup for Sunday.

Jeremy

shellmeister, I live in KC between NKC and Gladstone.  It's not an opulent neighborhood, but it's not trashy either.  Regardless, the snow removal is spotty at best and often the snow left on the road transforms into a sheet of ice after a couple days of melting and refreezing, which makes it tougher to get around on than the original snow did.  We could have a separate discussion about the many woes of KC government and services on another blog somewhere.... :)

Hey Shell, it sounds like you live in the the Hunter's Glen subdivision in the northland.

Ok.

Everyone is focusing on Sunday with the snow potential, which is cool.  What does it look like Saturday as far as the rain?  I know there is a ton of moisture available, and it looks like most of it will fall as liquid, as opposed to the frozen variety, and it looks like it will be moving in from the south and west.  My question is when will it start raining on Saturday, and what will the temps get to?

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Rain should move in during the afternoon...maybe a little quicker to the south.  If the trend continues and the track remains about the same, many locations could see at least 1" of rain. 

Jeremy

Doug in Riverside,

I grew up in Ridgewood (near you) and was always bummed out because the roads would be cleared way too quickly (I must be hard to please, lol)!  But, clearing the streets wasn't the problem for my sled, it was that black, shiny, cinder stuff that was sprinkled on them afterwards that played heck with the runners!  Think of that "fingernails-on-the-chalkboard" sound...ugh!

Zazel,

North of Weatherby Lake...even their streets are nice and dry while mine are just a glazed over ice pack of snow.  Grrrrrrrrrrr

I'm noy going to need any snow on sunday(even though I would love some)! I have officially resorted to my snow machine. I'm hoping for three inches today, if it stays below 30.

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Did you send Gary a picture yet?

Jeremy

If we get the major snowstorm how much snow would we get

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Gary might talk some totals later today.  Probably on the 5, 6, & 10pm shows.

Jeremy

It is starting to look good...I want a lot of snow!!!...We will just have to see how the weather plays out on Sunday and im hoping for a lot of rain and snow...(MUDDING!!!!!!!!!)...This has been one of the best winters that can remember in my 16 years...I love it when there is usually a storm somewhere in the 7 day everytime you look at it...

Keep up the good work, we still have a lo and hopefully snowy winter ahead of us :)

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Mudding...never did that with my dad's 4x4 growing up...but did drive thru snow banks, drifts, etc.  That was a good time.

Jeremy 

I gotta tell you folks, I am really tired of cold and snow.  It was nice to have a cold/snowy winter for once (even if we didn't get huge snows) but I'd like some warmth now.  No 70/80/90 stuff, but a few days in the 50s would be nice.

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I'd like to string together a few days in the 50s.  That would be great. 

Jeremy

I like snow, but by late February I'm ready for SPRING!!  This time of year I especially miss north-central Texas, where the trees usually start to bud out in early March and they green up in earnest by mid- to late-March.  That's why I'm not real happy with Gary's LRC forecast where he expects a major winter storm or blizzard nearby between March 21 and 28.  I hope that storm turns out to be a high plains blizzard that will stay a couple hundred miles away from here at least...

I say 2.4 inches of snow in Olathe

Nbc action midday is on.

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Make sure to tune in!  Brett is going to show the storm over the Southwest and when it will reach KC with an updated Futurecast!

Jeremy

Hope someone will watch Brett and post the highlights on here for those of us at work.  Especially if there is new info. :o)
Thanks

I think we all need to calm down a bit. This thing is still 48 hours out and there are way to many variables at his point and time. I think for the 41 weather team to make predictions now would just be crazy. Lets wait till 10:00 tonight and then we can expect predictions. To many times this year we were right there in the snow path then ***POOF** there it goes to St. Joe Lawyer.

I wish that it was broadcast online!!

Gary,
I'm going to try to send you some pictures later today. Just to let you know, 'm actually an eighth grader and I will be using my mom's email address. I know your email and I'll try to get the pictures to you before 8:00 tonight.

Amen to that sportsfreaked, I say no one even call out any amount until Saturday night at 10. We all know the lrc favored track is north of KC, and I seriously doubt that will change. Hopefully no one gets all worked up into frenzy then has to suffer a bout of depression on Sunday because it didn't snow.

Bryan

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Bryan,

I'm pretty sure Gary will lay out either some possible totals or a couple of scenarios since many people have travel plans over the weekend.

Jeremy

Hee, hee, hee!  I'm tickled by Brett Anthony's futurecast!  Now, if only it will come true.  At least he included the caveat that the location of the heavy snow band will depend on the track of the storm.  With this year's LRC, will the heavy band end up NW of KC again????  Stay tuned.... now it's nighty night time for yours truly.  Later, bloggers!

"I'm pretty sure Gary will lay out either some possible totals or a couple of scenarios since many people have travel plans over the weekend."

That would be really appreciated!!  We are supposed to head south on highway 69 early Sunday morning for a family birthday party and now I am wondering if we should leave Saturday.  Does SE Kansas look like part of this storm?  Thank you!

*****Ladyjawhawk, I would leave Saturday night.  It will be just rain.  Sunday is too much of a close call.  Brett

I just saw Brett's weather cast on nbc action news midday...The future cast looked much better for Marceline than it did yesterday...It brought rain, then it had us close to freezing rain, then the snow and the heavier band went right over top of us...I hope it doesnt shift anywhere, mabey it will just grow a bit is size and intensity...Im keeping my fingers crossed

Tell Brett...Great weathercast!!!! :)

I see some bloggers want highlights of Brett's forecast....basically, rain will move into KC from the SW late tomorrow afternoon or evening and continue overnight into Sunday morning.  The rain could be heavy, especially south and east of KC where over an inch may fall.  There is a possibility of some freezing rain tomorrow night north of St. Joe and Chillicothe towards the Iowa border.  Then by around 7 a.m. Sunday morning there should be a changeover to snow here in KC, and Futurecast showed the heavy band of snow moving right thru the heart of KC between 7 and 11 a.m. Sunday, then it's over and moving rapidly to the NE.  Tune in to NBC 41 tonight at 5, 6 and 10 when Gary will start discussing possible snowfall totals.... ****

Great synopsis, Gary wants one more model run before we start talking totals.  Given the way these storms have been going, we shouldn't jump the gun on snow totals.  Brett

Ok, now it's nighty night time!

I really don't see a problem with laying out some possible scenarios. As long as you clearly explain that they can change due to variables. I know that there are some people that would blow it way out of proportian but the majority of people on this blog would not.

23* sunny 87th and I-35

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I know Gary will have some great shows tonight.  Also at 10pm he is doing a story on the new radar!

Jeremy

Thanks sedsinkc!!!!

Thank you Brett!  The KSHB weather team is the best!!

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Our pleasure!

good, new blog is up!

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Pass the word!

Jeremy

When could I expect to see some possiblae scenerios for this weekends storm? Not getting my hopes up. Although, any storm is exciting.

Thanks.

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I would say at 5, 6, & 10pm.

Jeremy

I go with the fact that since the sure fire storms miss, this will be an October surprise and dump 6+ inches of snow on South JOCO.  FYI, Accuweather just released their anticipated snowfall map through Sunday am and KC is in the 3-6 band.