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A very wet storm is again taking aim on Kansas City

Good afternoon NBC Action Weather Bloggers,

Watch NBC Action News for Kansas City's most accurate forecast (5 years in a row) tonight at 5, 6, and 10 PM as this storm approaches us this weekend.  And, don't forget our new weekend morning news at 8 AM Saturday & Sunday!

Are you excited yet?  Do you think you will be let down again?  There is no way the entire viewing area will have accumulations of snow, which means someone will get no accumulation out of this storm.  And, others could end up over 6 inches of snow by Sunday afternoon.  Who will be in the heaviest band?  Could the rainfall be enough to cause significant flooding?  Is there any chance of freezing rain, sleet, a mixture?  What about thunderstorms?  These are just some of the questions that we have to try to answer in the next 36 hours as this very potent storm approaches our area.

Look below at the watervapor  satellite photo from late this morning.  The storm is now looking impressive, spinning over Arizona.  It has a lot of Pacific moisture already surging our way:

This storm, that you can see over Arizona right now, is forecast to eject out across Missouri on Sunday.  It will move fast, but if you get into the comma head of this storm it will last into early Sunday afternoon.  Trying to find out where this deformation zone is going to set up is one of the biggest forecast challenges we face again.  And, the storm has some cold air with it, but it won't become a significant snowstorm until a shot of colder/drier air gets pulled into the storm early Sunday morning.   Below you can see the forecast from this mornings NAM model valid at 6 AM Sunday.  I pointed to the 540 thickness lines. One surge of cold air is about to explode southward as the storm ejects. And, there is just enough cold air aloft with the storm itself. These will phase together and become a huge Wisconsin, northern Illinois snowstorm late Sunday.  We are in the developing area and it poses a big problem for weather forecasters.  How fast will this cold air get here. And, it will depend on the track of the storm as it ejects, which is anything but certain at this time.

The two precipitation forecasts from the GFS model are shown below.  The first one shows the wet potential for this storm.  The ground is already saturated from our wet winter and frozen ground.  So, it will not take much to produce significant flooding.  1 to 2 inches of rain and there will be flooding.  Any more than 2 inches will begin creating some serious flooding.  This is another thing we will be monitoring.  Again, the track of the Arizona storm is crucial.  If it goes a bit farther south the rainfall pattern shown below will shift with it.

This last map below is the precipitation forecast from the GFS model for the 12 hours of 6 AM to 6 PM Sunday.  This would mostly be snow.  On this model that is not a lot for Kansas City, so don't get too excited yet.  However, the NAM has a much wetter solution.  We may be in between the two solutions.  The dark green is 1/4 inch liquid.  The second shade, over KC is only 1/10th inch liquid.

 

The rain should move in late Saturday.  If you are tracking this storm, one key and very important indicator of the storm coming out farther north will be late Saturday.  If the rain shield moves in early, then the storm is very likely a bit farther north. As of early this afternoon we believe it will begin late Saturday afternoon with a cold rain.  Thunderstorms are possible.  The rain would changeover to snow early Sunday morning, and be over by 3 PM Sunday.  There will be a huge difference in snowfall totals depending on whether it lasts for 1 hour or 6 hours?  We just don't know yet.  And, another factor we must pay close attention to is the surface temperature.  Is there any chance of freezing rain as the rain moves in Saturday night?

We will have extensive details on our newscasts tonight.  After the new data comes out, our 10 PM show will be our most confident one!  Let us know which questions you want us to answer on the air. 

 

Have a great FRIDAY!

Gary

Published Friday, February 15, 2008 11:25 AM by glezak

Comments

 

LadyBug said:

Gary what time will the rain begin on Saturday?

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Depends on where you live, but it could start during the afternoon.

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 11:41 AM
 

kcroyals05 said:

As with the LRC this year, Grandview has been either to far South or to far North to get the big snow's.   Per the maps it appears that I'm in line for an inch to inch and a half of liquid precip.  Could this be all rain or a combination..    I'm hoping for the snow, but we'll see....

Monitoring the blog to see what others have to say and what the weather team thinks it might do..    

Thanks
Bill

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Bill,

It would not be all snow.  Likely a majority rain, then a mix or some snow.  I think Gary's new blog handles this pretty well for right now.

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 11:44 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I am not making any predictions.  I am just going to see what happens.  

Kristi
February 15, 2008 11:52 AM
 

Brent said:

I don't see how this very wet storm fits with the LRC.....

I also am sick and tired of having tons of rain this winter...this would have been a major blizzard if it was just a little colder...is there any cold air around that could change it all to snow?

I just don't see how we can have so much rain in the winter...
I am sure Harrisonville will be too warm for snow the whole time....

Is there any hope Gary for a 6 inch snow here?

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Brent,

It fits almost perfectly. Remember that "long term" longwave trough I showed the other day.  This storm falls perfectly into place.  And, it looks identical to the storm that happened right before Christmas.  So, it does fit! This doesn't mean it will help Harrisonville any, but there are many other storms in the next month and more cold weather. 

Gary

February 15, 2008 11:53 AM
 

chfs327 said:

Im saying 2.4 inches of snow in Olathe

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We got it...let's see how the forecast plays out.

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 11:57 AM
 

PoofDragon said:

The Dragon has begun his poof dance. NO...SNOW...NO...SNOW...it all goes POOF!

;-)
February 15, 2008 11:57 AM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

So this storm is analagous to the 12/22 snowstorm (57 days prior) that buried Topeka to St. Joe with 8-10"?  

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Notes,

Gary is at a school talk right now.  You may want to discuss this later.

What is your forecast for this weekends storm?

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 11:58 AM
 

lezakEF5 said:

According to the LRC...What storm would this be???
February 15, 2008 12:01 PM
 

KCDewayne said:

lets hope for an all rain event and hopefully get some good storms ive had it with the nasty cold and snow i dont know how you all love the snow so much it makes everything so dirty every time it snows my car gets all nasty plus for the next two weeks after a snow you cant even keep it clean beacase the roads still have salt on them so hopfully we get heavy rain to wash all that salt off the roads SNOW IS NASTY AND DIRTY

also gary what are you guys thinking for next week beacuse all the startions in town including you guys one day have it warm next week the next day cold then warm agen on the next day then today everyone has it cold agen

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A lot depends on if we have snow on the ground after this weekend.  I think it should head back to around average by the middle of next week.  The cold air is still lurking over the upper Midwest though.

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 12:03 PM
 

ALBY21 said:

Looks to me like all the people in the south are finally going to stop whining and get some snow!!  Hope the models keep this trend so that that happens!!!  
Platte City shouldn't get too much, but I will enjoy the rain!

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Don't count on it yet:)

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 12:03 PM
 

KCDewayne said:

by the way i can see it now it will be may and storming outside and all you pepole will still be on here saying oh my god i think it might snow, mabe we will get an inch if the temp drops from 90 outside  
February 15, 2008 12:05 PM
 

cwebb said:

weather team, my family and i are going to cape girardeau today and to be back on monday. most likely we will come back early because we are in the snow removal business. what is the bust potential of this storm, and what could i possibly expect between st. louis and kansas city on sunday morning?

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You can probably expect everything from thunderstorms to snow on that trip back.

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 12:07 PM
 

ScottR said:

Is it just me or is the NAM model looking like an immense amount of precip?

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NAM does look like a lot.  Our in-house model gives KC over 1" of rain and about 2-3" of snow.  That is just the 12Z run though.

Jeremy

February 15, 2008 12:07 PM
 

kane1970 said:

It's just you NAM I mean MAN. LOL



We'll I think that forecast will be close. But I think that this storm will be a nowcast storm. Too many things can and will change. Good luck to you guys on making your predictions. I think it will be a tough one.


I hope it snows and gets everthing nasty and dirty. Haven't washed my car in months. Piece of junk. lol
February 15, 2008 12:12 PM
 

nikieis said:

boy this is the most active winter i have seen in a while. i love the snow but i have to tell you i have had about enough of it i am ready for some spring and thunderstorms!

what are the chances right now of kc north is going to get more than 2 in of snow on sun?

it's to cold to rain and if it does on sat and sun wont it frz on contact?

keep up the great work!
nikie
February 15, 2008 12:19 PM
 

mooky said:

Gary's blog has my hopes up for a fairly significant event (as usual i am a glutton for punishment).  One of these times its bound to happen i suppose.  Its just difficult at this point to take any of his excitement seriously.    
February 15, 2008 12:32 PM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

I still think when this is all said and done, that Topeka/Lawerence to Atchinson to St.Joe corridor will get the lions share out of this storm despite what it is likely to look like 6-8 hours from the changover.  Since everything seems to be hitting the LRC head on, I think this would be the logical solution.

With that said, yet another 1incher for us in Independence if we are lucky.

That's the logical side of me.

The old dude part of me says Independence will get around 4 inches out of this one since my darn knee still hurts
February 15, 2008 12:32 PM
 

RDub said:

There is really very little chance of freezing rain. The storm is tapping warm moist air and the cold air is not well established at the surface. *************** I think possibly near the Iowa border there is a chance for a time. In KC...pretty unlikely. Jeremy
February 15, 2008 12:33 PM
 

ScottR said:

I agre with Kane... this one is better off for a Nowcast not a Forecast.  This is one that I am just going to sit back and wait.  Way too many variables with this bad boy.  Best of luck to the Weather Team :)
February 15, 2008 12:35 PM
 

simplykristi said:

February 15, 2008 12:36 PM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

Here is a question for the weather team. Is it just my imagination or have most the "major" weather systems this season slowed down from the projections in this time frame? In otherwords, when we have been 36-48 hours out I think a good number on these systems are projected to move quickly across the region only to slow down as time goes on. If this storm were to slow down would it allow the cold air to be better established and thus more snow or would a slower ejection mean more warm air from the south and then another big rain event for us in the south side?
It seems like that has been the case a few times this year and one of the reasons the metro has been missed to the west and north.
February 15, 2008 12:45 PM
 

inlimbo said:

I see too much warm air with this one..Probably a mostly rain event and MAYBE some flakes on the backside...just my hunch :) *********** Not a bad hunch. I think we need to see how quickly the vort over the northern U.S. drops south. Jeremy
February 15, 2008 12:55 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

Kelly I agree with you the slowing down and phasing of the two storms togther just 75 miles west could make alot of difference. . . It  could mean 6-8 inches of snow duration of 6-10 hours, convection, falling at nite not during the day and that matters this time of the year. . . if it is the 22 Dec storm from the LRC THAT IS HOW IT DEVELOPED. . . . .
February 15, 2008 1:06 PM
 

shoedog said:

This has been such a strange winter for those of us in south JOCO having so much potential and missing every big storm.  Watch this one turn into the October surprise from (1995 I think it was) that will end up hitting us with 6+ inches, since this storm appears much less likely to hit, the the more likely storm.
February 15, 2008 1:20 PM
 

mooky said:

What is vort?
February 15, 2008 1:32 PM
 

nastyweather said:

I well say even though I've given up all hopes of decent snow in JoCo, it's still amazing to watch these storm systems develop.  With the incredible amount of moisture, the temperatures close to freezing, and the track still uncertain, this will be an interesting 36 hours.  I think this storm will track a little farther north and someone is going to see some unfortunate flooding.  As for snow, I'll believe it when I see it.
February 15, 2008 1:38 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Shoedog. Hopefully that happens
February 15, 2008 1:40 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

whatever it brings it sure is one mighty looking storm, one thing that is neat about it is there is an enclosed area of 540 hights or less in MEXICO because of this thing on the computer models!!!!!  We still need to watch this thing it is so on the edge on many factors!!!  one thing that I have noticed this year is that alot of storms , not all but alot, end up being just a bit colder than they first appeared, especially up here, like on Superbowl sunday, at first it looked to me mainly a rain event even here for a time but it actually ended up mainly a winter precip. event with alot of snow sleet and some rain even with some accum.
February 15, 2008 1:42 PM
 

sportsfreaked said:

KELLY OF INDEPENDENCE>>>>>>>>>> If u don't mind me asking what part of Indep are you in I am in the Eastern part 1 mile east of Truman and 291..... I was curious as to see if this storm is pretty even as far as area coverage in Independence.... And my back is still hurting so I am with you maybe this will be the one....
February 15, 2008 1:44 PM
 

kellyann said:

shoedog, this storm will be just like the rest, just like you said it has happened all winter. I for one am counting on no snow! So I hope the pattern continues .
February 15, 2008 1:54 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The October surprise happened on October 22, 1996.  I will never forget that day.  There were power outages all over.  The trees were loaded with leaves and could not handle the load of the heavy wet snow.  Our power was out for 18 hours.  It took me two hours to get home from work that evening.  I rode home from work with one of my brothers and his wife.  I couldn't get a signal on my cell phone... I kept getting a busy signal when I would try to call.  By the time we got to his house, the power was out.  He lost all his fish in his aquarium due to the power outage.  By the next evening, the snow was melting pretty quickly.  Some people did not have their power turned on for up to a week.  

If we do get snow from this system, it will be a heavy wet snow.  

Kristi
February 15, 2008 1:55 PM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

Sports.....I am very near 39th and Lee's Summit Rd.  Is this the first time your back has flared up as a storm approached this year?
I know this is the first time my knee has acted this way all season, I don't know if it's truly weather related or not....heck could be the extra lbs. I am carrying in my spare tire but this is the first this season my knee has hurt like this.
February 15, 2008 2:06 PM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

The October Suprise.......the biggest thing I remember about that storm was early in the morning my wife and I were watching Gary talk about the weather on the morning show.  He was showing a radar loop and mentioned that there might be a few snow flakes mixing in.......I went to my front door and looked outside to about 1/2 inch of snow on the ground and it was still snowing HARD.  I yelled up the stairs to my wife that I thought Gary needed to stick his head out his window and look.  By 3:00 we were without power and would be for the next 2 days.  Great storm despite the inconvience
February 15, 2008 2:12 PM
 

sportsfreaked said:

KELLY>>>>>>>>> My back always hurts but this is the first time I have had what I call extra spasm. As lond as it stays at extra and not a lot i can stay away from the spinal needle. If i have to go to the pain doc and get the needle we better get snow and a lot of it........LOL>>>>>
February 15, 2008 2:17 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

I was just snooping around and to see just how cold this storm was down in the southwest I looked up Tuscon on the NWS site and they are 39 degrees right now and the NWS point forecast for the city itself actually has a rain/snow mix possible tonight!
This thing is really impressive.
February 15, 2008 2:25 PM
 

JPnKC said:

I am predicting the snow setting up in the areas we have seen it all season-- SW to NE from Topeka to St Joe to Maryville- we will be all liquid and alot of it here in the metro and South.......will be a great storm to watch.....

Enjoy~!  JP
February 15, 2008 2:33 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

One more thing to watch is that right now our dew points are in the bargain basement still, the single digits, so another thing to monitor is how much of this dry air will be able to hold at the surface for potential evaporative cooling...
February 15, 2008 2:37 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

WOW latest NAM really puts on the precip.  Looks like a BIG rain maker with some descent snow on the back side after it passes.  Looking for 1+ in of rain and possibally 5+in of snow!
February 15, 2008 2:40 PM
 

stormchaser said:

I am going to St Louis this weekend, thats all the weather needs to know to blast through here.  I am convinced that it won't snow unless I am out of town.  I was in St. Louis during the Dec 22 storm, so here ya go KC metro.  I will leave town once again so we will get a fair shot at this one.  I can see us now driving back on Sunday afternoon dealing with 8 inches of snow and 2 foot drifts out around Odessa.  That would be fine as long as there is that much snow im my backyard when we get to Adrian.
February 15, 2008 2:42 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Well I will probably not be bakc on here until Monday morning. So I will go ahead and make my predictions now.....

1"+ rain and 3"-6" in Lenexa.
Snow will start around 5:00am Sunday morning. And I will be plowing snow all Sunday.
Have a great weekend every one. This is going to be an interesting storm to watch.
Good luck to the team at NBC. Put that LRC to work this weekend. We need more proof. I hope there is no flooding. However, I know that the ground is very saturated were I live so we will have to see.

Later!
February 15, 2008 2:48 PM
 

Brent said:

I believe it will be all rain with a few snow showers here in Harrisonville...

whats that chances of a major ice storm Jeremy?....with all this precip.....if we only had the right conditions....it could still happen.....

words can not express my dislike for rain in the winter...

like my long known statement...

"when its cold enough to snow, theres no storm or moisture. when we have copius amounts of moisture and a huge storm...its above freezing"

anyone else agree?
February 15, 2008 2:50 PM
 

nastyweather said:

They've issued Winter Storm Warnings for a huge swath of central and western Oklahoma, calling for Freezing Rain.  Wonder what that means for us?
February 15, 2008 2:50 PM
 

shoedog said:

FYI, the latest update of Accuweather (I know it is accuweather) but they haven't been half bad this year, especially good on not predicting much for SOJOCO has the snow band through KC area at 3-6 inches with 2-4 for Sunday for Leawood.  As I stated earlier in the thread, wierd year, this may be the one that does dump on us.  Either way there is tons of precipitation headed this way, just no ICE!!!
February 15, 2008 2:51 PM
 

PoofDragon said:

The Dragon is POOFing hard! Do the dance with me now...

NO...SNOW...NO...SNOW...It all goes POOF!

The Dragon is tired of shoveling the driveway.

;-)
February 15, 2008 2:58 PM
 

inlimbo said:

just posted - flood watch for points south of the metro
February 15, 2008 2:59 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

My thinking is that Kansas City North could see around 2" of Rain with some snow Saturday morning -- accumulating to a whopping 1.5"
February 15, 2008 3:00 PM
 

Brent said:

I'll be putting my rain gauge out tonight
February 15, 2008 3:01 PM
 

nastyweather said:

Shoedog and anyone else I'm warning you not to fall into the "this may be the one" trap.  Don't do it!
February 15, 2008 3:01 PM
 

Brent said:

good advice, nastyweather
February 15, 2008 3:03 PM
 

Brent said:

anyone know what the new data is saying yet???
February 15, 2008 3:04 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

UPDATE:  NWS HAS ISSUED FLOOD WATCH FOR KCMETRO AREA. 1-3 INCHES POSSIBLE OF RAIN BEFORE CHANGEOVER TO ALL SNOW.
February 15, 2008 3:07 PM
 

sportsfreaked said:

Here's what I say. Wait until Saturday night then wake up on Sunday around 8 or so look out the window at that will be my prediction..........LOL>>>>>
February 15, 2008 3:11 PM
 

MrSteve said:

Cold, nasty, and expensive winter. Everyday a set back, hassle, new expense.

No fun for us.





February 15, 2008 3:12 PM
 

LRCfan said:

wichita nws forecast discussion they are under a winter wx advisory for freezing rain a quarter of an inch or less tomorrow moring before it warms up above freezing.
February 15, 2008 3:14 PM
 

MikeL said:

WS Watch for Northwest MO including St Joe.  I'm waiting to see what is issued on the Kansas side.  Mike in Topeka
February 15, 2008 3:17 PM
 

WeatherCop2112 said:

I live out near Stanley/Stilwell and we have yet to have a single snow that actually completely covered the grass in my front yard. I doubt that will change this weekend.
February 15, 2008 3:18 PM
 

LRCfan said:

st.joseph and atchison area winter storm watch tomorrow night and sunday quarter inch of ice and 3-6 inch possible no advisory for kc.
February 15, 2008 3:19 PM
 

LRCfan said:

topeka is in the wsw also with 6 inches possible with strong winds!!!!!!
February 15, 2008 3:21 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

I am still going to wait for the GFS to comeout to see what it thinks, remember we are still 24 hrs away.
February 15, 2008 3:22 PM
 

MikeL said:

In Kansas, Topeka to St. Joe and points northwest have been placed under the WS watch for up to six inches of snow.  It's gettin' excitin'!
February 15, 2008 3:22 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Well it looks like the same areas are under the gun this winter if this is correct looks like leavenworth would get it too.
February 15, 2008 3:24 PM
 

shawn67 said:

My prediction: 9 inches of Snow in Saint Joseph---barely enough to cover the grass here in South Overland Park
February 15, 2008 3:26 PM
 

radman22 said:

The NWS is following the LRC and know the pattern at this point.   If we could just inch that cold air a little faster, maybe we could get some decent totals in KC.   Either way, its going to be alot of rain and flooding problems.

Should be a fun weekend to watch this develop.
February 15, 2008 3:27 PM
 

kellyann said:

As I said late this morning, it will be in the same areas and KC south will have heavy rains only, maybe some light mixing at the end. It is a given, I don't know why anyone would think different. The maps always show one area possibly getting hit but it always shifts and a different area gets it, and this year, north and west of here has been the targeted area.
February 15, 2008 3:29 PM
 

kellyann said:

I know my relatives are just sick over the possibility of st joe and northeast ks getting hit hard with heavy snow again. Last Sun when I was up there, I could not believe the piles of snow everywhere, and how peoples yards were still covered.
February 15, 2008 3:31 PM
 

bellgolf08 said:

i believe sedalia will be building an ark. ok maybe not but we will probably just get rain. could go for some snow though
February 15, 2008 3:31 PM
 

heavysnow said:

kellyann are you the same person over on the other blog that makes fun of Gary and the 41 forecasts?  
February 15, 2008 3:33 PM
 

Brent said:

yay the 40's and the 50 have once again exited the 7 day! and another storm showing up for next week!
February 15, 2008 3:33 PM
 

kellyann said:

I guess the low Gary was talking about is going further north and that is why they are in the watches? I have not been able to look at any maps to see what has changed .
February 15, 2008 3:34 PM
 

heavysnow said:

I noticed the other stations are not making a big deal out of this storm at all.... I have seen nothing but showers and some flakes mixing in on Sunday pretty much
February 15, 2008 3:34 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Once again Olathe gets Jack didtaly in another powerful storm

2.4 inches of snow
February 15, 2008 3:34 PM
 

kellyann said:

Makes fun of Gary? No, I am only on this blog when I have time. And what other blog is there that you are talking about?
February 15, 2008 3:35 PM
 

kellyann said:

heavysnow, there are 3 kelly's on here, maybe it is one of them?
February 15, 2008 3:36 PM
 

Hushpook said:

NWS just posted a Winter Storm Watch for the MOKAN Snow Corridor....St Joe to Topeka.....for Sat PM/Sun AM
February 15, 2008 3:36 PM
 

Daniel from Appleton City said:

New NAM is great for snow in alot of areas in pretty much the entire viewing area http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwpara/analysis/namer/nam/18/images/nam_slp_048s.gif
February 15, 2008 3:37 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I really want the rain.  Why?  We have plans on Sunday.  We are driving to Lawrence to celebrate some birthdays and to see a family member who finished her chemo treatments a few weeks ago.

Kristi
February 15, 2008 3:37 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

What get me is NWS is issuing ALL OF THEIR WATCHES using the NAM and the GFS wont be out for another 25 min.
February 15, 2008 3:39 PM
 

heavysnow said:

The only other station with a blog, kellyann

It just seems weird that we have weatherfreak and "activeteacher" (active teacher was called kellyann over on the  other blog) both just ripping on Gary over on the other blog and both of those names show up over here, well at least kellyann shows up over here.  
February 15, 2008 3:40 PM
 

heavysnow said:

What is really weird fire dog is that the NAM shows snow much further south than the places they put the Watch
February 15, 2008 3:42 PM
 

kellyann said:

heavysnow, I really think you have me mixed up with someone else. And what is active teacher? This is not weather related so just drop it, I am not the age to bicker about you thinking I am someone else, I am here for weather and to learn.
February 15, 2008 3:42 PM
 

MrSteve said:

Well at least we know whats coming.

China weather forecasters 10 years behind foreigners: report  AFP - Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:00:39 EST

AFP - China's meteorologists have admitted being 10 years behind world standards, a report said Friday, after a surprise spell of freezing winter weather paralyzed the country and killed more than 100 people.

February 15, 2008 3:43 PM
 

LRCfan said:

firedog they issue the watches using the 12z models not the 18z runs.
February 15, 2008 3:43 PM
 

LRCfan said:

the new gfs is coming out now and we will know in a few minutes more.
February 15, 2008 3:45 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

LRCfan if that was the case than they would have issued them hours ago.
February 15, 2008 3:47 PM
 

MrSteve said:

We're lucky since the original general U.S. forecast was a mild winter so we won't be bankrupted paying our heating bills. Just close to bankrupt.
February 15, 2008 3:47 PM
 

FairWeather007 said:

I guess it's time to urge hubby to clean out my side of the garage so I can park my pickup inside! *sigh*

Just a question... hopefully someone can help me.

I follow most of the discussions pretty well, but some of the terminology (NAM, for instance) gets me. Is there a quick reference guide, or a must read to this blog so it'll all make more sense to those that are still getting familiar with all the technology and terminology?
February 15, 2008 3:47 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

GFS ROLLING OUT!
February 15, 2008 3:48 PM
 

LRCfan said:

true but like you said when they saw the new nam they used that and the 12z to issue their watch and not the new gfs. they will probably readjust the watches later tonight. or upgrade them to warnings later.
February 15, 2008 3:48 PM
 

Kelly said:

That is not me! I belong only to this weather blog. Looks like another miss. again just lots of rain.

Kelly
February 15, 2008 3:50 PM
 

MrSteve said:

Fire Dog said:
GFS ROLLING OUT!

********************

Face it you guys are the bearers of bad news and hardship this winter.

LOL . . . (Half laughing and crying at the same time)
February 15, 2008 3:50 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

Still waiting on GFS to get far enough to read, but if its anything like the NAM I see the NWS bringing the WSWatches south, probally to the I-70.
February 15, 2008 3:53 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

How much snow do you think the northland will get? Im saying 2 inches, what do you guys think?
February 15, 2008 3:53 PM
 

nastyweather said:

China's only 10 years behind?  They're still having problems with lead paint.  We had that fixed decades ago.  Heck the Olympics are supposed to be so polluted athletes will have to wear masks.  Makes me want to go over there and take a few years off my life.
February 15, 2008 3:53 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

UP to 48hrs now and I think they will bring the WSW futher south here in a few hrs.  Looking like 1+in of rain and still 5+ of snow.
February 15, 2008 3:55 PM
 

boootz said:

If we are ordering weather, I would like Summer please, 100 degrees and nothing but the dust to talk about.
February 15, 2008 3:55 PM
 

LRCfan said:

I believe leavenworth,douglas,and platte counties should also be included in the watch.
February 15, 2008 3:56 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer//gfs/18/gfs_p12048048_l.shtml  
AND THE COLD FRONT SHOULD BE THOUGHT KC BY THIS TIME
February 15, 2008 3:57 PM
 

RDub said:

I doubt they will issue the winter storm watch any further south than it already is. WSW means they expect 6"+. That's not likely along the I-70 corridor. Maybe a snow advisory, not a storm warning, once the changover gets closer.
February 15, 2008 3:58 PM
 

RDub said:

Firedog, that map is total precip for 12 hours. The cold front won't be passed through for all 12 hours.
February 15, 2008 3:59 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

YEAH, I want Platte to be in the WSW! Does anybody think Platte, or anyother counties further south will be in the WSW?
February 15, 2008 4:01 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

RDub,  the current Winter Storm Watch they JUST ISSUED is for 3-6inches.  And if you look at the loop of the 12 hr the cold front is past the OZARKS.
February 15, 2008 4:03 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

The 18Z GFS shows around .25-.50 inches of QPF with critical thickness values below 540mb. The cold air then moves straight down toward us with single digit lows likely with a little snowpack.
February 15, 2008 4:03 PM
 

kellyann said:

So the map that was shown on the noon show has already changed for where the most snow will be, right?  That is always how it is when there is a weather event..it starts out in KC then by the evening, the maps are totally different with the snow to the north, lol. I think the storm systems have blinders on!
February 15, 2008 4:03 PM
 

nastyweather said:

Well now the NWS has OP with an 80% chance of snow on Sunday.  Just a big hoax there's not going to be any significant snow in OP.  However, I do think we'll have at least 2" of rain.
February 15, 2008 4:05 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

I think we won't get any snow to speak of, mostly rain.  Yuck my yard is muddy enough already.  
February 15, 2008 4:05 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

+ we all need to take the NAM into account. It has been pretty close the last few storms.  So I am taking BOTH and spilting the middle.
February 15, 2008 4:05 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

WOW, the 18Z NAM has intense QPF of .75-1.00 inches for the metro with good critical thickness values to support snowfall.
A solid rainfall will turn over to snow as the cold air quickly moves in aloft and via the cold core low.
February 15, 2008 4:06 PM
 

RDub said:

That map you posted is for 18z, which is noon sunday. So you're saying the changover will happen at midnight Saturday night?
February 15, 2008 4:06 PM
 

radman22 said:

They keep extending the advisories to the south.   Im sure they will fill us in with something soon.
February 15, 2008 4:06 PM
 

heavysnow said:

The New GFS shows the 540 line just NW of KC at 42 hours and then way past at 48 hours....you have to include the precip between the those 6 hours  

Not to mention the .01 to .10 it remains after that
February 15, 2008 4:06 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Fire Dog,
The NAM looks intense in terms of rainfall and snowfall. We have to pay close attention to this computer model because it has been more accurate lately with winter storms.
February 15, 2008 4:07 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

THANK YOU CENTRALOP2.  
February 15, 2008 4:07 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

nastyweather,
I think most areas could see snow out of this system if the models continue to be consistent.
February 15, 2008 4:08 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

Fire Dog,
No problem. It looks like a rather impressive storm at the moment considering it is only 48 hours out.
February 15, 2008 4:10 PM
 

Brent said:

chfs327, please contact me through Pm,
February 15, 2008 4:10 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Ok. so will there be 2-3 inches of snow in Johnson County Kansas
February 15, 2008 4:11 PM
 

RDub said:

From NWS discussion: "Still a lot of uncertainty regarding the timing and
even ability for a complete change over to snow...particularly over
the southern half of the County Warning Area."

In other words, snow will be more likely and more accumulation north...less likely and less accumulation south. No warnings or advisories for Johnson KS or Jackson MO so far.
February 15, 2008 4:11 PM
 

kellyann said:

heavysnow do you think this snow line will be I 70 northward like it usually is?
February 15, 2008 4:12 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

RDub the changeover will likely be sometime BEFORE 6am.
February 15, 2008 4:12 PM
 

heavysnow said:

Yes, rdub since the NWS is always right and never wrong
February 15, 2008 4:15 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

RDub, you forgot the next line in that Dis.

"HOWEVER...GIVEN THE APPEARANCE OF A VERY
IMPRESSIVE TROWAL AXIS AND DEFORMATION BAND ALONG WITH THE OVERALL
DYNAMICS OF THE SYSTEM...FEEL ENOUGH ASPECTS WILL COME TOGETHER TO
PRODUCE AND BANDED SNOWFALL REGIME SOMEWHERE IN THE CWA"
February 15, 2008 4:16 PM
 

heavysnow said:

I don't know kellyann

According to the models I would say no, but that doesn't mean anything at this point

It all depends when the lows merge together, when the cold air moves in... how much cold air is with the low itself....
February 15, 2008 4:16 PM
 

nastyweather said:

CentralOP2 your on the edge of the trap, don't take another step.  We might see a couple inches of snow, but all the good stuff will be north and west of us.
February 15, 2008 4:17 PM
 

RDub said:

You're right, why listen to the NWS, when you can listen to a bunch of biased wishcasters in a blog comment section.
February 15, 2008 4:17 PM
 

RDub said:

Firedog, "somewhere in the CWA" includes all the way up to the Iowa border. I never said there wouldn't be heavy snow somewhere north of Kansas City. I just don't think there will be heavy accumulating snow in KC proper.
February 15, 2008 4:19 PM
 

kellyann said:

heavysnow, why is it that the maps always have it over KC everytime, to start out, then 3 or 4 hrs later, it's north? Would'nt it make more sense to start out with the heavy band showing over the north? lol
February 15, 2008 4:19 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Rdub,
I agree with you...  For the most part, it will be rain for us here in the southern part of the metro.  There will be some flakes tho just not accumulating ones.

Kristi
February 15, 2008 4:19 PM
 

kellyann said:

It is so funny, we are sandwiched between watches, lol...to our north and southwest...what gives? Must be that ole donut hole.
February 15, 2008 4:22 PM
 

weatherinkc1 said:

Good Late Afternoon Gary:


Currently sitting at 33.2 here at 130th and State Avenue in Kansas City, Kansas. Low this morning was 13.5 and my weather station has been recording a steady NE wind at about 13 MPH. Well talk about some winds of change, Flood Watches, Winter Storm Watches!! What is a person to do! Looking at the latest runs of models looks like we are in for a lot of rain, along with maybe some snowfall on the backside of this system. As I said earlier in the blog, keep your cool…We all know how the models like to torment us.

Bryan
February 15, 2008 4:23 PM
 

simplykristi said:

We may not get much wintry precip out of this but it looks like we are definitely going to get a lot of rain.

Kristi
February 15, 2008 4:24 PM
 

Brent said:

yup lots of rain....no snow......
February 15, 2008 4:25 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

 RDub said:
You're right, why listen to the NWS, when you can listen to a bunch of biased wishcasters in a blog comment section.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NOW THAT IS UNCALLED FOR.
February 15, 2008 4:31 PM
 

WinterTracker said:

Gary, I need an update. I've been reading the blog but have been a little mislead. When do you think that it will get back down to around 28-30 tonight? Also, how much wet snow would come from .5-.75" of precipitation? That is waht the models have been showing the back end of the storm to be capable of producing.
February 15, 2008 4:32 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

Wintertracker, If its WET snow on the backside you figure .1 of lquid = 1in of snow.
February 15, 2008 4:34 PM
 

johnj said:

Let's not get too excited over the watches and warnings yet.  Last time we were under some of those we got absolutely nothing.  I'm just hoping for a really good street washing!
February 15, 2008 4:34 PM
 

MrSteve said:

johnj said:
Let's not get too excited over the watches and warnings yet.  Last time we were under some of those we got absolutely nothing.  I'm just hoping for a really good street washing!

***************************

Exactly especially since the city apparently cut the street sweeper budget last year.
February 15, 2008 4:36 PM
 

RogOzSam said:

Is there going to be ice for areas more south and east?  Or just rain.  Rain's fine as long as our basement doesn't leak!  
February 15, 2008 4:37 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

Gary is probally pouring over the models right now getting ready for his 5 oclock show.  He might blog before, most likely after 530
February 15, 2008 4:37 PM
 

sportsfreaked said:

EVERYONE please calm down. This storm is still approx 36 hours out and there are a lot of different things that need to come together. We all just need to wait till tomorrow and see what it looks like in the afternoon. I know we all want answers now but this really is a complex storm and one tha tis going to be difficult to forecast!!! One thing is for sure it will be wet what kind of wet we will not know until tomorrow afternoon. So lets just sit back and watch the storm develop and watch the forecast change at least 5 times from now until Sunday Morning......
February 15, 2008 4:40 PM
 

reafamily said:

I am on my way to a basketball game this evening in Rich Hill and stopped for dinner in Butler. Low, thin gray clouds are moving overhead right now and the whole area south looks dark. The rain, she be coming - but I don't want it! lol
February 15, 2008 4:47 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

You can all tell when the news is getting ready to come on the blog goes dark for 30 min. LOL
February 15, 2008 4:48 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

its only 25 here now w will fall back to 15 or so it is clear clm wind and still snow we have awinter storm watch because of the possibility of .25 ice accum then 3-6 inches of snow on top of that. . just jim dandy turn that .25 to SN and give me 6-9 of SN  no ice I am not 362 chfs . . . i don'y want no stinkin ice. . . its miller time folks. . . talk to you saturday.
February 15, 2008 4:48 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

All this winter, I've been cheering the snow on..  BUT this weekend NOOOOOOOO.  Tomorrow is my son's birthday.  But what happens will happen.
February 15, 2008 4:51 PM
 

Green Acres said:

Lees Summit Area will get cold rain Saturday night, followed up by gusty winds Sunday with a few flakes and then it's onto the next storm.  Blah Blah Blah
February 15, 2008 4:52 PM
 

Husky07 said:

that always happenes in LS im not to siked about this storm. i know we will get a lot of rain though :(
February 15, 2008 4:59 PM
 

xrayfire01 said:

How many times will the models change before the actual storm?
February 15, 2008 5:00 PM
 

dougbce said:

I think the 540 line is the key.  At the current 42 hour mark it's at the Iowa Minnesota border.  At the 48 hour mark it is going right through the middle of KC, and at the 54 hour mark it's almost down to the Arkansas border.    If we could just get the 540 moved farther south 6 or 10 hours sooner it could be alot of fun.

But for the reality of the current watches out now.  That is one crazy map to look at of white, green, dark green.....lol!
February 15, 2008 5:00 PM
 

Greg said:

Yep, looks like all rain for the immediate metro especially south of I-70. Fine by me it'll wash some of that salt and sand away.
February 15, 2008 5:04 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Remember that in "heavy wet" snow scenarios where the temperature is above freezing, snow ratios can be lower. I.E. .1 inch of rain can be equal to 1/2" of snow, instead of 1 inch.
February 15, 2008 5:10 PM
 

radman22 said:

Yes, we need to wash the salt off the roads.   I could not believe they were putting salt down a few days ago when we got that dusting of snow in OP.    Did they think we were going to get more?   Not only was it a waste, it is nasty stuff till it washes away.
February 15, 2008 5:11 PM
 

chfs327 said:

lol rain
February 15, 2008 5:13 PM
 

heavysnow said:

New Blog with SNOW Totals already!
February 15, 2008 5:17 PM
 

Greg said:

radman22, I could'nt agree more. Being a civil servant myself I can tell you they do this to keep the complaints down. Most folks want to see the trucks out even in the smallest of events, I guess it makes them feel like they're getting good service. Does this make sense?
February 15, 2008 5:22 PM
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