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LOL, in an ironic sort of way...  "The colder and more energetic stormier part of the pattern begins in jus two to three weeks." yikes.. can it get any colder? and more energetic, too??? arrrgghhh....

scott, notes, stjoelwr... anyone? even chfs!.... do you disagree? does anyone see something different like warmer, drier, and calmer? i'd take two days in a row...

1.25" up here N. Oak & Barry Rd.... bringing season total to 17.75"

ive heard of golfball sized hail.... but snowflakes????

dangggg... lol sooo gary, looks like the forecast is kinda dying on me here? any chance of snow monday?

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It doesn't look like it.

Gary

i know this is kinda off the subject but with the spring coming up i was wondering what the best type of radio/scanner there is to use for storm spotting?

In Leavenworth I am "weathered" out, too; what a meaningful term!  At 76 I don't remember such a long period of wintry weather in Kansas.  It's like it will never end.  In March it won't be as cold as today, will it?  I do remember very long winters in Montana in the mid to late 1950's.  One week in January 1957 it got down to 40 below at night and "warmed up" to 20 below during the day!  That was COLD!

Incidentally, my name, Edna, means rejuvenation.

Here's to an early Spring!  And thank you so much for your expertise in forecasting.  I believe in the LRC.

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Edna,

Thanks!  Wow, this blog was for you tonight!  And, we are both weathered out and we will "Edna", or rejuvenate.

Gary

Here are some observation stats for digestion that I have gathered so far from where I live:

(near Barry Rd. & N. Oak in the northland):

Snow events: 10
Snowfall: 17.75"

Events:

DATE -- Snow (Season Snow)

FEB 21 2008 -- 1.25" (17.75")
FEB 17 2008 -- 1.0" (16.5")
FEB 5/6 2008 -- 2.75" (15.5")
JAN 29 2008 -- 1.5" (12.75")
JAN 16/17 2008 -- 2.5" (11.25")
DEC 28 2007 -- 2.25" (8.75")
DEC 25/26 2007 -- 1.0" (6.5")
DEC 22 2007 -- 2.0" (5.5")
DEC 15 2007 -- 1.5" (3.5")
DEC 6 2007 -- 2.0" (2.0")

Gary i had just about 2 inch of snow sleet here in KCK Gary do you think we will get any more snow tonight

Gary - I know how you feel.  A couple of days off would help.  Trust me.  The difference though...LOL..you get paid for this stuff.

Mike - I defer to Gary with the forecast right now.  I am more of a long range forecaster, as you know.  I can do short range, but I will leave it to the most accurate weather team in town to keep you in the loop on this one.

I know we will have a few more snow events, but in looking long range, even with the forecasted blizzard in March [hmmm..still not sure about this one], I am thinking we will see some Springtime setups as well.  So, for those that are wintered out, there is hope on the horizon.

I am quite sure while we are wintered out now, in three months, many people will be wishing for the quiet snowflakes rather than the stress of drylines, triplepoints, and other meteorlogical terms you will want to forget as we near summer.

;-)

Well Gary down here in the winter time desert of what has been Adrian and northern Bates County we managed about 1.5 inches of sleet, most of it this morning between 7:30 and 9:30.  Brings the total down here for frozen precip to about 7 inches for the winter.  I teach school at Drexel and oddly enough today and as of now Friday we are out of school for only the 2nd and 3rd day this season.  The other was way back on Dec. 11.  That is how much we have missed on all the "big" storms.  While this little unorganized wave brings us the right kind of moisture to shut down school for two days.  I was wondering, with the cold air that came in on Tuesday night into Wednesday morning being about 15-20 degrees below normal, if an arctic push had come that strong in say the January 18-25th period, how cold would it have been.  I was thinking probably -10 to -15.  So what do you see for March, I know that according to the LRC we should see cold conditions during the period from February 28 to about March 10, but will there be any storms?  The NWS long range 6-10 and 8-14 day models show cold but dry.  What say you?

Okay, so what is the current forecast for the rest of the evening and morning?  Will there be enough snow in the morning to cause extra problems (aside from what would be the day after a storm like today)?

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We don't think so!

Gary

we live in Liberty and those snowflakes were HUGE. I was in awe watching them. I don't remember seeing such beautiful snow as we did today and yes they were the size of golf balls.  It lasted for a long time as well so I got nothing done at that time-I just stood and stared out the window.  I wish the storm spotter class was not cancelled my son and I were very excited to go.  Do you think they will reschedule? all the others seem a good distance away from us.  

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They do usually reschedule them!

Gary

Gary,

We got 3.5 inches of snow in Marceline today with those big flakes...Did you get the pics i sent you today???

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I just looked, I will check again after the newscast.

Gary

I wish I could have seem the huge snowflakes, it would have been pretty to watch.  Unfortuantly, here in Sedalia the only thing I saw today when I looked out the window was the sleet hitting my car and bouncing off, guess that was my entertainment for the day.  Nothing pretty to look at.  I am ready for spring and the flowers and green grass.

More Arctic Blasts in 2 to 3 weeks?

Uh . . . Okay

Gary,

What happened to the snow vest today??  Now I know why the city only had a small amount of snow today :)

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I, personally, only saw a few snowflakes mixed in with the sleet.  So, there must be more snow for me to wear the vest.

Gary

Wow...I just had a V8.  Gary..I know how you feel after a big blog entry.  I just did one...and it was a nice exchange for all to have at with Notes and I.  I am ready for a nap!

Great stuff!

;-)

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Yes, it takes a lot out of you!  I will read it later.  It's bed time.

Gary

Gary,

Do you see another big storm within the next couple weeks because I am craving more snow???

I think there should be a severe thunderstorm with snow instead of rain and even bigger flakes (softball sized) to replace the hail and and mabey a snow tornado could be added in, but it wont cause damage just more snow...also add some straight line winds so there will be extreme blizzard conditions...Put my house in the path of the storm...That would be awesome....lol

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We aren't even close to being done yet.

Gary

Wow, yes today was strange, we had some snow and some big flakes, not quite golfball sized, sheesh, thats nuts, you should have forecast a 20% chance of snowballs for K.C. the night before LOL.  We had alot of graupel with the snow, not sleet, to white to be that, but it was snow pellets, or graupel if you will weird, oh, and yes the ice storm southern Missouri got AGAIN, what's bad is they got a MONSTER ice storm last year and this year they got 4 of them!!  Hope this is not some sort of longer term trend to more ice storms for the U.S.   Well it looks like spring is going to try and fight back, and we may see some fifties again wow this next week may be our first week without snow in... although even if it is we had TWO snow events in this one week so we now can miss a week and average out to still be one a week.  Now there is less than 10 days until March when we may have to say goodbye to anything that resembles normal.

gary or weather team, just got in from another night of snow removal. i saw you said winter is not even close to getting done, i was curious. how many more legit snow storms could there be? most people i know in this business are in a salt crisis. periodically we get the oppurtunity to buy salt but getting this close to spring and with the shortage it is hard to make a decision. so your best guess could help me make a better decision on sitting tight or buying more, that is if we can find any before all of the big companys buy it all.

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We average 3 inches of snow in March.  The colder and stormier part of the pattern has produced  snow the last two times through the cycle and it is due back between March 5th and March 31st.  The series of 4 storm systems will likely return and I just see at least a few more chances of snow, one of which could be Saturday night.

Gary

Gary:

Good chillyish cloudy morning to you sir!!! Currently sitting at 20 degrees this morning-there is just a bit of a North breeze so there is a little bite but overall, it is a pretty nice morning outside!!! Gotta love the snow/sleet cruncing beneath your shoes and bike as you go along-just fantastic!!!!

We wound up with about 2 inches of snow/sleet here in SW Lawrence-the streets were sleet packed all day yesterday and during the heavy band the roads were just flat out horrendous here-KU cancelled because the busses couldn't make it up 14th and 11th streets to get to campus. Man that snow-wow!!! It hit during my 5th hour 7th grade Latin class so we stopped class and just watched it snow-you can't miss/not watch flakes like that!!! I knew it wasn't going to last real long but I just thought man if it could snow like this for 5-6 hours-wow!!!! It was just awesome!!!

What a fantastic winter we have had-it is really hard for a winter lover as myself to let this one go-but again, like the Romans said fame is always fleeting just like winter!!! A couple random observations from this winter:

1. The cabin arm of Lone Star Lake has been iced up since early December as has the the back end of Clinton Resivoir-that is cool as all get out!!!

2. Since December 3rd, I havd had about 8 days without snow in my back yard

3. The snow of course has been great and Lawrence has lucked out this year for sure just being on the tail end of some of the bigger snows, but the amazing thing to me is the ferocity at which the cold has come in at times and stuck for 3-4 days at a time-it has been a cold winter for this area for sure!! I think we have been above normal maybe 4 times since January 15th-considering how suseptable we are to down sloping and a SW flow that is quite unique in and of itself!!!

4. Numbers 1-3 being given, I am going to throw a prediction out for next winter for Lawrence: 3 inches of frozen precipitation with temperatures 10 degrees above average LOL!!! We have had two great winters now back to back and to me 5 very decent winters this decade-we are due for a 1841 type winter where Platte County only saw one frost the whole winter!!!


That thing called a job has really gotten in the way of my weather hobby (rats!!) so I have not looked at anything for almost 3 days-I think based on my unkept score card (and one that has way out of whack LOL) that we are about to enter into the 11-3-15 and 1-4-15 part of the pattern so we should have some good warm ups over the next 7-10 days. For the winter fanatic who is obessed with snow and cold, the neat thing is that starting this weekend, the models ought to begin to show hints of the more active pattern setting up-I hope I have some time to watch it!!!

Have a great day-good luck on 980 this morning-when I drove into KC for work I always enjoyed listening to you and will never forget you on the radio during that big snow of 12-5-05 when it was snowing hard with a temp. of 9 degrees!!! As always, thanks for providing such a great place to discuss the weather-you Gary, Brett, Jeremy, and Jeff are all Tight!!

Bill-yea, I like Spring/Summer but just can't let go of this Winter in Lawrence

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Bill,

Great observation!  You know the LRC well.  It is amazing, in just your own projections, how accurate you have been.  The skeptics of the theory should take your example of the LRC.   So, yes, we are in the 1-4 to 1-15 part of the pattern.  It better warm up during the next 10 days, because the colder part of the pattern will be returning, but it will also be battling the longer days.  It could be quite a battle.

Gary

I am LOVING the 7 day!!! Time for a break for everyone!!

Get out the sunscreen on MOnday- looks like a heat wave!!

Excellent job- Gary Brett Jeremy and Jeff..you have go to be getting exhausted!

JP

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JP,

Thanks, and even though I see a good chance of it warming into the 50s on Monday, there is another storm forming near by, but then there is an even better chance of a much larger warm up later next week.

Gary

just....want....winter..... over. off today and will be taking my wife into work (the building underneath the landmark tranmission tower in midtown that will again rain ice chunks during the warm-up!).

anyone have a report on road conditions between there and PV?

scott... i trust gary and team too of course, but you do know what you're talking about just the same! i'll check your blog later this morning.

thanks all... be careful out there! - mt