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How about another storm?....Update 10pm

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Not much to add to the earlier update...just a few things I'll add.  First tonight we can expect clouds and areas of fog.  After 3am a few showers/sprinkles may try to sneak into the area from the west.  This should be light and move out quickly in the a.m.  Otherwise, the 00Z GFS moves the storm along pretty quick on Monday.  This would keep precip. totals light in the metro and would mean mainly rain and a brief change to snow Monday evening/night.  Snow accumulations look most likely the closer you get to the Iowa border. 

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The weekend ended dry across the region, and overall today wasn't too bad.  Highs were in the 30s and 40s and probably 50-100% of the snow that fell last night melted this afternoon.  Our brief dry spell won't last too long though as another storm will take aim at the region on Monday.

Tonight and the first half of Monday we will see south to southwest winds across the region, so temperatures tonight will only drop into the 28-34 degree range in most spots.  The first half of Monday will be the 'warmest' part of the day as highs should top out in the low 40s in Kansas City.  I'm thinking the combination of the warm front staying to our south, cloudy to mostly cloudy skies, and a surface wind blowing off either a snow covered ground or cold/damp ground will limit highs once again.  I hope I am wrong and we hit 50, but 41-43 looks much more realistic than 50.  The trend for the surface low on the models has been to push it farther south with each run...if this trend continues then even the 40s may be too warm!  The low passes by with a cold front during the afternoon.  Once the front passes the winds switch to the north and any warm-up is quickly done.  Precipitation will then break out likely in the form of rain and then mix with and change to snow.  The timing, duration, and intensity of the precipitation will go a long way in possible snow accumulations.  Right now it looks like 1-2"+ could fall somewhere north of I-70.  But I do think some snow falls in the metro too, and accumulations can't be ruled out.

Here is the position of the surface low at 6pm Monday.  This forecast is from the 18Z GFS.

Notice the 540 thickness is basically right on top of KC.  This would be a good indicator of a possible transition to snow.  The green shades represent liquid precipitation forecast amounts.  Areas north of KC would transition quicker to snow, that is one reason why I am favoring those areas for possible snow accumulation right now. 

Once the low passes by winds will also gust to around or over 30mph, so blowing snow may be a concern too.  Needless to say, Monday looks like another potentially exciting day!  I'll add more thoughts later on tonight.  Make sure to watch NBC Action News for the latest on Monday's storm!

Jeremy

Published Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:21 PM by Jeremy WxPlus

Comments

 

WEATHERdude said:

hmmm... looks interesting... possible ice storm?

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A mix is possible...but ice storm...not this time.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 4:56 PM
 

Husky07 said:

does it look like Lee's Summit could get accumulation monday night?

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The storm has trended farther south.  So the snow chances are better than just 12-24 hours ago.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 4:58 PM
 

MrSteve said:

Most people I talk to are really beginning to get edgy, snippy, and even angry in a few isolated cases.

Hope some good news comes soon.

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So does the weather team!  I'd love some mild and dry weather. 

Jeremy



February 24, 2008 5:06 PM
 

MrSteve said:

Whats the chances this winter is an anomaly?

1. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
2. One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify:

One of those winters that ends up in the dust bin as an odd year?

That would be encouraging.

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This winter certainly has been much different than recent one's.  I wouldn't say this is going to be typical of the upcoming years. 

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 5:11 PM
 

Skye said:

Um, weekend ended dry???  What about the couple of inches of snow Overland Park received last night?  It looked like a Winter wonderland this morning!  And we certainly weren't expecting it - last I heard there was only a 30% chance!

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No one saw precip. after 3-6am this morning.  So the weekend ended dry.

We talked about the snow all day Saturday and also last night.  Time to move on to the next storm.  Thanks for the snow report for OP.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 5:18 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

YES!!!...Bring on the snow...I am going to put Marceline, MO with an accumulation of 2 inches even...I hope we end up with more though.
February 24, 2008 5:19 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Are we above normal for precip this winter.....which ever form it came in? Makes me wonder what the Spring will bring!!! No matter where you live...this has been a cold and wet winter....at least it seems that way to me! :o)
We still have good snow cover on the ground down here...may last a few more days after all.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS

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Monica,

At last check most areas were 2-3.5" above average for precip. this winter.  Since December 1 KCI is 3.12" above average!

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 5:22 PM
 

Scott said:

Nice entry, Jeremy...

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thanks...I'm going to try and add another map or two later.  Any requests:)

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 5:33 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

cood someone here get me a link to the models from the NWS? i tried looking, but i just cant figure out which one to look at...
February 24, 2008 5:38 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

"This winter certainly has been much different than recent one's.  I wouldn't say this is going to be typical of the upcoming years."

The average temperatures have not been that much below normal compared with the Upper Midwest and the snowfall has only been a little above the seasonal averages for us. I will take it because the soil moisture looks GREAT for Spring. I wonder if the active pattern could give us above normal precip in the next couple of months?
 

February 24, 2008 5:47 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

The NAM looks more impressive than the GFS in terms of QPF yet again.
February 24, 2008 5:48 PM
 

Scott said:

Sure, if you are taking requests...

How about the surface map last time this storm came through to show how this one has fallen into the longwave?

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/noaa/noaa_main.html

Its really hard to tell which one to pick.. Jan 6 or Jan 9?

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I'll leave LRC stuff for Gary on Monday. 

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 5:49 PM
 

CentralOP2 said:

This looks like a very cold pattern for this time of year over the next week for the eastern 1/2 of the country. 516mb thickness values move all the way into Tennessee by the middle to end of the week.

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I don't see above average temps(several days) anytime soon.  You have to be lovin' this winter!

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 5:58 PM
 

science coach said:

Obviously, 1-2 inches is enough to close schools as it did last week.  The depth of the snow/ice wasnt as problematic as the timing.  Snow between 3-6 a.m. causes problems for schools even in small amounts.  Any idea about the time frame for precip on Monday?

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Should be afternoon/evening into early Tuesday.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 6:46 PM
 

macnkc said:

Exciting? Not all of us share your enthusiasm. Some of us are fed up with this.
I guess it's exciting for those who get to miss school or report  the events.
February 24, 2008 6:52 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I am officially tired of winter.  I can't wait for May and June..  My favorite time of year. :)

Kristi

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At this point I'm even ready for April!

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 6:58 PM
 

Brent said:

so I suppose Harrisonville will not get anything out of this next storm...maybe some rain...

its the storms you guys don't "hype" (if you will) that end up being significant....I mean, almost 3 inches of snow overnight...when it hadn't been mentioned a few days ahead of time is pretty sudden...everyone I talked to said that they had no idea it was going to snow last night..and they were watching you guys...

anyway...I enjoyed it while it lasted......but I had to do some sheetrocking on my house so I was inside most of the day..

It was great watching it fall last night though!

its about 90% gone though...

sniff*
February 24, 2008 7:20 PM
 

Greg said:

I get the whole snow thing, but can anybody explain to me why peolpe hope for an ice-storm? I now pose this question, how much snowfall has the northeast had this winter compared to the "fake midwest"? Boston, N.Y., etc...
February 24, 2008 7:36 PM
 

Scott said:

There should be no hype, LRC told ya so's or anything regarding yesterday's storm.  It was just a small vort in the stream that hit just the right spot.

Jeremy gave fair notice and amounts were near his graphic.  Good work on a short term forecast and nowcasting.
February 24, 2008 7:38 PM
 

Scott said:

Greg - some folks like to either be out of school or like to have the worst a storm can offer.  Its the same folks that hope to see EF5 tornados from every spring storm.

I like the excitement, but really don't wish any of the extreme weather on anyone.

Everyone at some point has been guilty rubbernecking a bad car wreck.  

Only those with more experience, stake in the game, or an enhanced maturity can appreciate and respect Mother Nature for what she is without needing to see the worse she can bring.
February 24, 2008 7:41 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

Boston has had a pretty good winter for them. 37.8 inches this year.
February 24, 2008 7:48 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

Does anyone know where TWC gets their precipitation totals????....

Because that storm last Saturday and Sunday morning gave us here in Marceline constant moderate to heavy rain from 6:30 PM Saturday night to 7:30 AM Sunday morning when it finally changed over to snow and the snow was extremely wet and we got around 3 inches....TWC said we had a total of 0.45" of liquid precip and according to Jeremy Chillocothe got like 1.25 inches..So I dont see how TWC gets such a little precip total...And also it is like that for evey storm.

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I've had the TWC on once in the past 5 months for about 10 mins.  Not sure about recorded precip. that has already occurred, but the forecast precip. amounts they show use to be based off the MM5 model.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 8:06 PM
 

Greg said:

Scott, great points, I guess I'm just getting a little testy, "cabin fever" possibly? PatsSoxCelts, this is the beauty of the blog, ask for info. get info. thanks. So St. Joe, Mo. has more snow so far than Boston, wow! By the way aren't one of your teams due to win a championship pretty soon, what's it been 4 months?...
February 24, 2008 8:06 PM
 

Brent said:

this last storm had nothing to do with the LRC....and it still was the second strongest this winter.

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Brent,

It had a lot to do with the LRC. Remember, one major aspect of my theory is the position of the "long term" longwaves.  The one Saturday night was a much weaker storm than what we have seen this season.  It finally gave you one of your biggest amounts, but remember not even one snowflake or rain drop fell at KCI or north.  It was much smaller scale, but it fit into the "long term" longwave.

Gary

February 24, 2008 8:15 PM
 

ethalo said:

Jeremy(Scott..or somebody?)..
Could someone explain the GFS map above? It says Valid Tues 2-26-08.
(I thought this was the map for 6pm Monday, as Jeremy said)...am I reading it wrong?

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00Z is the start of a new day using zulu time.  So 6pm is actually 00Z.  And since 00Z starts the new day, it is valid 2-26-08.  Hope that helps...just let me know if that is still confusing.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 8:33 PM
 

dpollard said:

I will guarantee one thing for this storm. Blue Springs will be left out. No questions asked. Last night on radar there was literally a hole in the radar echoes, a chasam of emptiness in precipitation that centered and settled over my house. It snowed hard for maybe 40 minutes. We will not get more that 1". I don't care what anyone says, no model, no one, not even snowflakes falling the size of hubcaps will convince me because it would do that for 1 minute and then fizzle and I would be left feeling hollow again. I can't wait for my Prozac prescription to get approved! And yes I did pack my bags the other day and drove 80 miles round trip to take my 2 year old daughter to where it had snowed, played in it for 2 hours, had lunch and drove back home. I didn't care if I had to drive to Minneapolis to get to snowpack I was prepared by filling my tank full of gas!! I took video and pictures and taunted mother nature as I told it "I will hunt snow down like a blood hound, you can't keep it from me, I will do whatever it takes!" It's a good thing I don't do drugs with this kind of wicked addiction for snow.
February 24, 2008 8:51 PM
 

Greg said:

WOW!
February 24, 2008 8:55 PM
 

stjoelawyer said:

46.2 IN AN HOLDING NO SNOW FOR A WEEK.....ground still mostly covered........33 now high today only 40......ground is cold....think this thing will dive down another 90 miles and STJOE could get 2-4.....
February 24, 2008 9:00 PM
 

stjoelawyer said:

46.2 IN AN HOLDING NO SNOW FOR A WEEK.....ground still mostly covered........33 now high today only 40......ground is cold....think this thing will dive down another 90 miles and STJOE could get 2-4.....

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I'm thinking somwhere north of I-70 gets an inch or two of snow.  But more is possible...like I mentioned in the blog.  00Z NAM didn't change things much.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 9:00 PM
 

KCFarrisFamily said:

WOW dpollard......are sure you only need prozac?  maybe some therapy?
February 24, 2008 9:08 PM
 

reafamily said:

I still think it is funny that we really didn't expect to get anything south this week, since we had missed it all winter. I joked about getting hit because I was going to be driving all over the state and sure enough - it hits! Now that I don't have to go anywhere for a few days, we won't see anymore winter precip south of the city. :P
Pat
February 24, 2008 9:16 PM
 

ethalo said:

Jeremy,
"00Z is the start of a new day using zulu time.  So 6pm is actually 00Z.  And since 00Z starts the new day, it is valid 2-26-08.  Hope that helps...just let me know if that is still confusing."
Jeremy
February 24, 2008 8:33 PM
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Oh, yes, it is very confusing..since I am in Kansas, the "Land of OOZ" and zulu is in.....Africa? (sorry, bad joke.. LOL) .
But, thank you for taking the time to explain it ! Bet you're ready for your "weekend", huh?  Have a good one !
February 24, 2008 9:27 PM
 

Husky07 said:

whats the GFS say?
February 24, 2008 9:37 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

i am interested to see how the 'storm' materializes tomorrow.  it seems as though it will have ample moisture to work with.  i am curious as to the timing you are expecting for specific events tomorrow, jeremy.  

light flurries/freezing fog right now at the fort, 31 degrees.  what are the chances that temps stay low enough for an all snow event tomorrow?(slim)  i need 1.8" to hit 40" for the year, and i dont want to have to rely on march for the snow, since kci averages only 2" for the month.  

also, jeremy....you were asking for requests for graphs for the blog...i find the skew t soundings helpful, and interesting.  maybe you could give them a whirl? im sure it would help the casual blogger understand more about what it takes for various morphologies of precip to form.

murph

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PVT,

Good to hear from you!  Getting any sleep:)

The skew-T idea is a good one.  I think Gary is planning on doing an in depth blog about this when we finally get some t-storms/severe weather chances.  If the wait is too long I might do something one of these weekends.

The GFS and our in-house model both give light precip. totals and not much snow for areas around KC...or Leavenworth.  The snow accumulating snow may stay north.  The storm looks like it moves kind of quick and has a slightly positive tilt.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 9:41 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

    Good Evening Jeremy,  Any precip. tonight? What do you think the low for tonight here in Metro KC?
February 24, 2008 9:45 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

 One more question, How much are snow are you expecting here in Metro KC, for tomorrow, based on the latest data? Thanks for the time
February 24, 2008 9:47 PM
 

ethalo said:

 chiefsfan ...
Jeremy is most likely getting ready for the 10P.M. , (then I'm betting he's ready to head home to his family )
Anyway, about your question(s), did you read Jeremys' Blog?  

(1)"temperatures tonight will only drop into the 28-34 degree range in most spots."
And...
(2)" Right now it looks like 1-2"+ could fall somewhere north of I-70.  But I do think some snow falls in the metro too, and accumulations can't be ruled out."

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I'll do a quick update by 11pm.  Thoughts haven't changed much, just a tweak here and there.  Temps tonight stay around 33 in the metro and areas south.  Possible upper 20s north if there is any clearing.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 9:58 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

ethalo-------  Do you think any precip here in metro tonight?

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I don't think any tonight. 

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 10:02 PM
 

StormWyndd said:

Definately getting foggy out there, and the wind (since it's so damp) just cuts through you!  
Are we looking at freezing fog for the morning rush?
February 24, 2008 10:20 PM
 

ethalo said:

 chiefsfan ------Looks like maybe some light (or could be heavy), accumulating, drippy fog tonight  l
But, on second thought, Jeremy's coming on...let's go watch him for the answer! ;) ;)
February 24, 2008 10:20 PM
 

ethalo said:

chiefsfan....
oops...took too long with my precip forecast for you!
Jeremy already answered!

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Feel free to forecast away...it's been fun lately:)

There may be a few showers or sprinkles around closer to tomorrow a.m.

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 10:22 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Hello, been a very busy week.

Some thoughts about G.W.:

Cows,and Volcanoes produce more Green House Gases then humans. So we would have to kill all the cows, and plug up all the volcanoes to stop the Glaciers melting. That's why I really do not believe in GW. This is a natural cycle, WE CAN"T CHANGE THE NATURAL CYCLE.

Not wanting to start an argument, just some thoughts that passed my mind.

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ok...but if you can keep these discussions to a G.W. blog or discussion would be great.

Good to hear from you...did you enjoy the snow this weekend?

Jeremy

February 24, 2008 10:35 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Yes, I'm ready for more Winter!! Reminder:

Johnson County,KS is having the NWS Spotter Training

Thursday the 28th@ Blue Valley Northwest High School (according to the NWS website, at 1st it was B.V. North)
February 24, 2008 10:45 PM
 

sedmo said:

Regarding last nights storm event:  I just checked wunderground.com and the local storm report had Sedalia measured at 2.2 inches of snow last night.  That would have been about right for where I live.  I work 10 miles south of Sedalia and they had at least 4 inches on the ground when I got there.  What a difference a few miles make..wow..just thoughts I wanted to share..Now, I have had my fix of snow for the year, I am done...so Spring please hurry!
February 24, 2008 10:54 PM
 

twister11 said:

Next Sunday/Monday looks very interesting.... However, I am not getting my hopes up.
February 24, 2008 11:33 PM
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