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Thursday Morning Update

Good morning bloggers,

   We are off to a cloudy and somewhat cool start on this Thursday, the 28th day of February.  A year ago, we had the Linn County EF-4 Tornado (EF-4, winds 166-200 mph).  It was the first EF-4 in the nation.  Two years ago today, we set a record high of 78 degrees.  No weather extremes today but it will be a weird day.  There is warm air advecting toward KC, so we are going to see plenty of clouds.  The clouds will keep us cool, in the low to mid 40s today.  But will we see any rain?  The morning data is stingy with rain, keeping it north of the metro.

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So today is cloudy and cool.  Tomorrow, a weak cold front moves through, the winds turn northwest but we end up warmer tomorrow due to some downsloping winds and abundant sunshine.  Friday looks to be about 50.  Saturday is a lot warmer, 62 but it will be breezy.

More on the forecast later today,

Brett

 

 

Published Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:18 AM by wxman5

Comments

 

kristaszabo said:

Well, I enjoyed the sun yesterday. I am looking forward to the great weather it seems we're going to get this weekend. I'm not to happy about all these clouds today, I need the sunshine. Oh well, I guess one day won't get me too bad. Well, looking forward to the weekend for sure.
Krista ***** The sun will come out tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, the sun will shine!  Brett
February 28, 2008 8:53 AM
 

sbl116 said:

To all,

I have been reading the blog for quite some time now and I love it! This is the first time I have posted but I hope to add more in the future.

A friend of mine and I are in a bit of a debate right now and I am looking for some insight and opinion or facts on the subject from you guys. The subject is climate change and if it is caused by human activities. My stance is that climate change is a natural process and that global warming is the THEORY that increased levels of carbon dioxide and certain other gases are CAUSING an increase in the AVERAGE temperature of the earth’s atmosphere because of the so-called greenhouse effect.

I believe this theory is flawed in many aspects including but not limited to the following facts: 1. most of the warming in the past century occurred before 1940, before CO2 emissions could have been a major factor. 2. temperatures fell between 1940 and 1970 even as CO2 levels increased. 3. temperature readings from reporting stations outside the U.S. are poorly maintained and staffed and probably inaccurate; those in the U.S., which are probably more accurate, show little or no warming trend.

Of course, the other side of the arguement states that humans are causing an increase in Earth's terperaure by burning fossil fuels and adding carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

Any insight, thoughts or opinions you have on the subject are greatly appreciated!
February 28, 2008 8:54 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

sbl116,

I too, do not believe In GW.  I believe it is a natural process that has been in place ever since Noah's Flood. The Lord gave us fossil fuels as a natural resource to use for heat,electricity,etc.
One reason I don't believe in GW also, is the fact that cows,and volcanoes let out more greenhouse gases than Humans do. So this has to be a natural process.
February 28, 2008 9:05 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

By the way Brett...

a Snow flower? lol ***** Did you like that?  I'm not sure what one is, but if I ever see it, I will post a picture of it here on the blog.  Brett
February 28, 2008 9:06 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

I'm sorry but I insist you stop putting the 30 degree temps in the forecast. The 60's are nice and you need to put alot more of those in the forecast over the next few weeks .  You are the weather team so you need to fix the weather. I cannot deal with this cold anymore!
Jeri (wishful for consistent warmth, and writing tongue-in-cheek)
February 28, 2008 9:34 AM
 

WeatherCop2112 said:

So Gary blogs that we may get snow and Brett says probably not even rain south of the river. Which is it, guys? ***** Weathercop, Read Gary's blog again.  He said it was close to snowing but would probably stay northeast of us.  It will!  And the rain this afternoon will likely be north of I-70.  The GFS has a very small chance of rain here this afternoon.

Brett

February 28, 2008 9:40 AM
 

Scott said:

Brett - I can't help to ask, since I have gotten feedback from the rest of the team.

Gary, Jeff and somewhat Jeremy are in on the LRC.  What say you?
February 28, 2008 9:43 AM
 

Scott said:

Weathercop,

This is so very simple.  See, first it will rain at about 5000 ft, then turn to a mix, then briefly to snow.  This will work for the southern half of the city.  The northern half will have it all work in reverse.

Now, keep in mind, they are waiting on the latest data an hour before it starts to finalize the expected time of arrival and the totals.

I expect the totals to be 1-4 inches somewhere in the viewing area with some areas having more, while per the LRC, some others will be missed all together.

Temps are so hard to predict with these types of storms.  Because of the long term longwave, I think the team would concede that we will have up to a 120 degree variance within the viewing area.

So, as shown in this explanation, it really is very clear.  Where did you get lost?

LMAO - [severely tongue in cheek]
February 28, 2008 9:51 AM
 

95rred said:

GW is nothing more than a scare tactic so groups and organiztions can receive money to research it. Its all about $
************** Thanks for your take. From here on out let's keep the GW discussion saved for a post about it possibly in the future. Let's focus on today's weather with some precip. headed our way. Thanks. Jeremy
February 28, 2008 10:24 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

OK Scott, so when can I start planning for chasing? And that 120 degree variance? I will take the high end here. I've lived in 120 degrees, it isn't pleasant but I can deal with it for a day...the rest of you can have the 0 degrees. :) That will fix the variance. Lenexa gets heat, everything north of here gets snow.
February 28, 2008 10:34 AM
 

Brent said:

I'm going to go watch nbcaction news midday and hope for snow.
February 28, 2008 11:08 AM
 

mooky said:

You folks need to stop making excuses for inexcusable waste and pollution.  The bottom line is that we know we can be more efficient and we should know by now that our reliance on nonrenewable energy is a problem.  We all ought to be able to agree with that regardless of whether or not you think the world is coming to an end because of global warming.   ************ Thanks for your take. I think most agree that recycling is a good thing. Whatever each person can do to help out the environment is a good thing. Jeremy
February 28, 2008 11:10 AM
 

WoodyAllen said:

OK on a lighter side....Did anyone else hear Brett agree to shave his head if on Saturday it did not reach 62 degrees?

Brett, I've got some clippers and I've got over 10 years experience in shaving mine so you'll have nothing to fear.....

February 28, 2008 12:19 PM
 

KCwxforecaster said:

OK, Brett, your forecasting lately continues to leave me puzzled. First we had a high temp lower than the previous night's low. Now, on the thread of this blog you state that little model data is showing any rain for the metro today -- which I completely agree with. And yet, you went for a 50% chance of rain today on the morning news.

Talk about conflicting information. There is no way there's a 50% chance of measureable rainfall in the metro today -- maybe in like srn nebraska or iowa or something. Maybe you need to have that alarm go off a bit earlier in the morning or try a different coffee brew.

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Not sure if you remember but a 50% chance means that this type of setup will typically gives us precip. 50% of the time.  We forecast for the entire area and locations around or north of St. Joe should see some precip. today.  We will try to be more specific in the future so there is no confusion.

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 12:36 PM
 

Tony Baker said:

The science that claims humans are responsible for GW is at the very least debatable and far from conclusive proof of anything. At this very moment, more of the Northern hemisphere is covered with ice and snow than any time since 1966, and since January 2007, the average global temperature has dropped almost 0.75C, almost completely erasing the increase that so much has been made of.  That said, me and everyone I care about has to breathe the air and drink the water and eat the food that comes from our planet – not to mention pay for the fossil fuel required to produce all those things – so I’m all in favor of figuring out “cleaner” (and cheaper) ways for us humans to live. Looking forward to washing my gas hog car this weekend!
February 28, 2008 12:41 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

120degree spread I  was -15 this winter so need to get to 105 in August likely as well.  RADAR is all lit up but nothing falling it is 34.7 dew point 25 so as it continues east we could get cooler and slushflakes.

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Should start to reach the ground in the next 1-3 hours.  Best chance of seeing something is closer to the Iowa border.

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 1:29 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

You know, I don't like slush. My Golden tracks it in on the carpet because she refuses to walk on the runner like the Lab does. I'm also ready to reseed the back lawn but I have no clue when to do it now.

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Hopefully Jeff Hamons is still reading the blog.  We need some advice from him again since we are headed towards Spring.

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 1:36 PM
 

WeatherCop2112 said:

KCwxforecaster said:
Talk about conflicting information.

Darn near everything they say is conflicting. I know this isn't saying anything new but at what other job can you be so wrong so often and still stay employed? And I'm not blaming Gary or the rest of the weather team...predicting the weather is pretty near impossible.

I think what frustrates me the most are the scare tactics used when relating the weather on the news. Any passing cloud that might contain moisture is considered a "storm!" My favorite is that we've already been told there's going to be a blizzard in the third week of March. Heck, flurries the other night were referred to on-air by Gary as a "mini-snowstorm!" I could go on but you get the point.

I watch to see what the temperature is going to be the next day and just hope they get close. Everything else is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

****************

Since we try to help everyone out Gary posts a long range forecast.  If we didn't do this then we would have people asking for a long range forecast.  Tough crowd today!  I think everyone will be back in a more positive state of mind on Saturday...it looks great...won't even be a storm that day:)

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 1:39 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

It is snowing here in Marceline and we have a heavy dusting so far.

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Thanks for the report!  Keep us posted!

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 2:26 PM
 

95rred said:

jeri- The best time to overseed is in the fall the second best time is now. The cold and snow coming in march will keep the seed from germinating. Then in april when it warms the seed will know its time to germinate and will just explode out of the soil. Its actually better to have to seed go from cold to warm. This is why the royals keep there seed in a freezer until they are ready to use it.
February 28, 2008 2:33 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Jeremy--

You are correct, tough crowd today!!

Hang in there-my family trusts and believes in your entire team and the accuracy you have provided.

Looking forward to the great weekend- I am kinda excited!


JP

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JP,

Saturday looks great at the moment!  Should be 60 or better in many areas!  Maybe we'll get to remember what a 'warm' breeze feels like!

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 2:40 PM
 

John Moon III _Weather Enthusiast_ said:

 
sbl116, I will try to post  a research paper that I did on global warming tonight or tomorrow if possible.  I spoke with a professor I know from the University of Missouri-Columbia and he referred me to the IPCC the (Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change) That is the motherload of possible causes for global warming.  Me personally with the research I have done, I would have to say that global warming is caused by so many diffrent factors that it is almost impossible to narrow down.  A big chunk of it is Carbon Dioxide gas and heterogenous gases/ greenhouse gases, water vapor, volcanic ash, pollution, there are all sorts of reasons and possible causes.  

**************

John,

If you can...please wait to post this until Gary returns.  Maybe he will let you do a guest blog or can incorporate your paper into a future blog.

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 2:41 PM
 

John Moon III _Weather Enthusiast_ said:

EVERYONE: just an update on my Grandfather... on jan 31st he broke his leg right above his artifrical knee. He had surgery and was in a nursing home for 20 days or so.   My grandfather will be coming home today and I am very happy about that.  He can not put weight on his leg for four more weeks.  But he is coming home today so that is good.  Thank you everyone for keeping  him in your thoughts and prayers.  

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Good news John!

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 2:45 PM
 

John Moon III _Weather Enthusiast_ said:

How is the next storm looking for sunday/ monday ?  I would like some snow soon, but it looks like we will be dealing with thunderstorms. I still want snow though. I will take the thunderstorms in the spring.  It looks nice this weekend.  
February 28, 2008 2:49 PM
 

John Moon III _Weather Enthusiast_ said:

will do.

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Thanks John...we look forward to seeing it.

Jeremy

February 28, 2008 3:15 PM
 

zeusthegreat said:

Weird how ones post gets removed if they don't agree with the wxteams thinking. I didn't think I did anything wrong.  I hope this isn't the path they want to take with their bloggers, as their corporate office might not like to hear about it.

I didn't think constructive criticism was a bad thing?

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Only one post was deleted.  Any personal attack on a member of the weather team will get deleted.  If it is in regards to the forecast that is okay...after all this is a weather blog.  The rules haven't changed. 

Jeremy 

February 28, 2008 5:13 PM
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