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Stalling front & contest....updated

3:30 PM update

Hail is falling in these thunderstorms.  They will be marginally severe.  It takes 1" hail to be severe.  Thunderstorms will continue to develop as the surface low and vigorous upper level storm head our way.....

Quick 11 AM update: 

The front has stalled and is just barely drifting southeast. This will place it right near Kansas City when thunderstorms will likely develop late this afternoon and evening.  Training echoes will be possible as the front begins moving east and some of the thunderstorms will likely produce very heavy rain, and maybe some small hail.  Look at the front at 11 AM, below, and compare it to the front I drew in at 6 AM.  There has been very little movement as it is waiting for the main storm to move into Kansas:

If you compared the two maps, the one above and the second one below from the previous entry, you can see the surface low has moved northeast. The front is just sitting there waiting for some exciting weather to develop, and we are staying in the warm sector.  Look at the latest RUC model 12 hour forecast valid at 10 PM tonight. The surface low is strengthening, in response to the upper level storm approaching.  And, the front is still barely moving and north of Kansas City.  Someone will get a lot of rain this evening, and it seems to be targeting the Kansas City metro area.  We will keep monitoring this situation closely.  Be sure to watch our newscasts tonight at 5, 6, and 10 PM.  There is an increasing likelyhood of very heavy rainfall near the front as the surface low moves northeast.  And, then on the back side we are dropping our temperatures back into the 40s for Fridays  much cooler weather.  Jeremy has just updated the forecast and is on right now.  Have a great day!  This is very interesting, not to mention the developments for next week which we will go into later.  Once again, look below at the forecast from the 10 AM RUC model for tonight:

 

Previous entry below:

Good morning everyone,

A front is stalling just northwest of Kansas City this morning placing us in the warm sector of this storm, for now.   There has been a band of weak rain showers, associated with an upper level disturbance rotating around the developing storm.  So, there may be a 15 minute shower this morning,  but most of the day looks dry.  Look below at the 6 AM surface map:

This front is stalling in response to surface pressure falls being created as the upper level energy approaches and crosses the Rocky mountains.  The KC metro area is still in the warm sector this morning, and if we see any sunshine 70 degrees is still possible.  Our forecast high of 65 will likely be a bit low, as the clouds should thicken up by 1 PM this afternoon.  So, 68 degrees sounds like a good adjustment for today, if the front stays north of your location.  Once that front moves through the temperatures will drop, but it is stalling.

The "slide by" storm is approaching and has already produced a snowstorm across Colorado.  Denver awakened to snow this morning.   We have seen this type of storm many times during this years weather pattern.  The first time was in October.  This type of storm usually produces one very nice band of precipitation from north to south as the storm tries to close off and slide by us.  I expect this band of rain and thunderstorms to form later this afternoon as the energy rotates around the developing upper low.  Notice the forecast for 7 PM this evening, below.  There is no closed circulation at 500 mb yet, but one will likely form as it approaches eastern Kansas.  We are going to be in, what we call, south southwest flow aloft.  So, any showers and thunderstorms that form will likely take off to the north northeast at a pretty good clip, 40 mph or so.  The surface front is being forced to line up with the flow, so once showers and thunderstorms form later this afternoon or evening, some spots will likely get some training echoes and well over one inch of rain.  But, if you are not in the band of thundestorms, then there will be spots that have a lot less than one inch of rain.

We will be tracking these developments for you all day on NBC Action News.  Jeremy Nelson is filling in for Brett this morning, so watch for his updates with the new data on our 11 AM Midday newscast, and then I will be tracking the developing thunderstorms tonight.

The Junior Meteorologist contest is down to the top 25 kids, as this contest with our partner the KC Star has had a lot of entries.  Take a look at them by clicking on the following link.  And, then you can vote for up to ten kids.  We are allowing one voting session per day.  So, have some fun and help us get it down to the top 10.  Congratualations to all of the kids. It was fun watching all of the entries.  The voting will continue through next Friday.  We will be showing the top 10 on the air in May, and then the winner will be on NBC Action News helping me do the weather, and they will also win a trip to Disneyworld. Here is the link:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/content/juniormeteorologist/default.aspx

Have a great day!  Let's see if the front completely stalls, or drifts on through today.

Gary

 

 

 

 

 

Published Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:59 AM by glezak

Comments

 

kane1970 said:

First Blogger!
I guess there is not a chance for severe weather with this storm. That sounds good to me. How about rain fall amounts? Well atleast the wind is not blowing like crazy today. I work outside and that wind yesterday beat me up. I think it also gave me some wind burn.
Brobecks BBQ!!!!!

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I talked about the rainfall totals in the blog.  It will be tricky. The Storm Prediction Center doesn't even have us in a slight risk.  This surface set up would almost certainly be a severe weather maker in most situations.  We will watch it closely.

Gary

April 17, 2008 6:55 AM
 

kane1970 said:

What do you mean by "This surface set up would almost certainly be a severe weather maker in most situations." And sorry I think I Blogged before you were finished. My bad.

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There is a stalled front, a surface low moving right towards us tonight, and just looking at the set up with the energy aloft you would expect a few severe thunderstorms.  But, the dewpoints are not impressive.  If there was a bit richer moisture we would have an increased threat.  This is something we will be tracking.

Gary

April 17, 2008 7:04 AM
 

OlatheJay said:

Gary-
I am supposed to coach a HS baseball game at 4pm in Lawrence.  How is it looking?

Thanks!

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We really won't know until thunderstorms begin forming this afternoon or evening.  But, with the front near by there is an increasing chance of rain around 4 PM in Lawrence.

Gary

April 17, 2008 7:47 AM
 

kcten81 said:

Gary,

I've got family travelling west on I-70 today to Colorado.  Should they expect any major weather issues when travelling?

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There is some snow on I-70 near the Colorado/Kansas border right now.

Gary

April 17, 2008 7:48 AM
 

Bob in OP said:

Gary,

I drove through sprinkles on the way to work about 45 minutes ago and saw a faint rainbow to the west from the sun on the eastern horizon hitting light rain to the west of where I was driving on 69 highway in Overland Park. The dewpoint feels higher this morning. I am not surprised to see the front stall.

Thank you for well-done report...

Bob
April 17, 2008 8:14 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I was thinking last night about going for 70, well crossing my fingers that 65 is as High as it will get.

So we get to vote once every day?

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Andrew,

Yes, once a day and up to ten people each time.

Gary

April 17, 2008 9:02 AM
 

Trentonite said:

Gary,

By the front stalling, will this drag the storm into the weekend, or will it just disrupt the way the storm progresses today and tomorrow?

Luke

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Luke,

The front is stalling in response to the upper level storm to our west strengthening.  This storm will pass through tomorrow forcing the front to start moving and accelerate out of here.   So, the weekend still looks good.

Gary

April 17, 2008 9:38 AM
 

lezakEF5 said:

Keep the rain coming!!...When do you think we will begin seeing consistent temeratures in the 70's?

Man I cant wait for the big yellow morels to begin popping up....Mushroon season this year is going to be awesome!



Alex from Marceline
April 17, 2008 9:43 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Wooo hoo, soooo their is a chance that the soccer game can happen this evening. Bet Barbara is happy too, LOL!!! I do not want to cancel another one.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
April 17, 2008 10:46 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Gary, can you give an estimation of how far south and east the heaviest rain will be?  Or is the really heavy stuff (over 1/2" or so) going to be more in towards the City proper?
April 17, 2008 11:58 AM
 

kane1970 said:

So is it going to rain?????

64 degrees and cloudy. With some very light sprinkles coming down. One about every ten minutes. At 87th and I-35. Come on storms. I really need to hear some good rumbles of thunder.
April 17, 2008 12:37 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Hi Guys-

Just spoke with my family in Hutchinson- it is around 45 with rain and a cold North wind..sounds like what we might be getting tomrrow!!??

Looking forward to a nice soaking- nothing crazy though- have a great day!
April 17, 2008 12:43 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

I woke up to heavy drizzle, now a light mist, with low clouds and near calm winds, yes the front is nearly right on top of us, radar picks it up real well. I'm ready for another rainy evening.
April 17, 2008 1:00 PM
 

JFTtown said:

Consistent 70 degree temps?  Is that even possible?  LOL. The way it seems we'll keep trending towards below average temps and by the time July gets here we'll struggle to get to 80.  That woud be a dream for some, but a nightmare for me.  We had a cold winter in Topeka and I'm ready for some warmth!
April 17, 2008 2:29 PM
 

Barbara said:

Monica...fingers crossed that you get your game in this afternoon...but it's started heavy misting here in Olathe.  Luckily, we didn't have baseball scheduled for tonight!  
April 17, 2008 2:33 PM
 

Barbara said:

Now it's raining.  We've had one good rumble of thunder as well.
April 17, 2008 2:45 PM
 

rstull said:

JPnKC - The front moved through Hutchinson at 4am today and just moved through Wichita at 2pm. Only 50 miles apart!! Just shows you how slow the front has been moving.
April 17, 2008 2:45 PM
 

rstull said:

The fronts are starting to stall further NW than a month ago.
April 17, 2008 2:47 PM
 

GaryB said:

I agree with the NWS that some storms approaching severe levels may occur south of I-70.  I think we'll all hear a rumble or two through the night.  We've had no sunshine today, so severe threats are minimal at best for us.
We're in a for a good rain, late which will keep us above average for the year.
April 17, 2008 2:47 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Thunder in Olathe.
April 17, 2008 2:56 PM
 

shoedog said:

Thunder and lightning in Leawood, light rain
April 17, 2008 2:58 PM
 

FairWeather007 said:

thunder and lightining in northern Olathe/southern Lenexa. light to heavy rain.
April 17, 2008 3:06 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

just heard a rumble of thunder in middle KCK.. lightly raining also.  I hope its not a downpour for BonJovi..
April 17, 2008 3:09 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

Just had a heavy rain shower with a few pea size or smaller hailstones in KC just S of Gladstone.  Very dark to the SW right now.
April 17, 2008 3:12 PM
 

Eswar said:

Just had some heavy rain and pea to dime sized hail at 151st and Mur-Len in Olathe.
April 17, 2008 3:13 PM
 

clemolly said:

Heavy rain, thunder and pea size hail in Corporate Woods
April 17, 2008 3:17 PM
 

angvic00 said:

Pea sized hail at College & Lone elm
April 17, 2008 3:20 PM
 

jennydks said:

Pea to marble size hail at 146th & Pflumm Road in Olathe
April 17, 2008 3:22 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

Severe T-Storm Warning:
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PLEASANT HILL HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
 EASTERN JOHNSON COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL KANSAS
 SOUTHEASTERN WYANDOTTE COUNTY IN NORTHEAST KANSAS
 NORTHWESTERN JACKSON COUNTY IN WEST CENTRAL MISSOURI

* UNTIL 345 PM CDT
April 17, 2008 3:24 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

The current radar trend locally is really starting to show the echo training Gary talked about in this blog entry.  Heavy rain has resumed at Vivion & Davidson in the Northland, now also with lightning and thunder.
April 17, 2008 3:25 PM
 

boootz said:

3:20 pm, and we have lots of thunder and lightening and a moderate to heavy shower upon us just north of Leavenworth, with the sun trying to force it's way through the clouds
April 17, 2008 3:25 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

HUGE HAIL, GOLFBALL SIZE IN PARKVILLE. Think we will be in a storm training spot?
April 17, 2008 3:28 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I just got back from running an errand with a friend.  I thought that the sky to my west looked a little threatening but nothing bad.  WOW  I was wrong..  Lots of activity.  I will take pics of the storm when it arrives here.

Kristi in south Raytown
April 17, 2008 3:32 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Yep...soccer game cancelled. Ughhhh!!! Oh well what can ya do...:o) Already got .25 inches of rain out of these little cells. No hail though.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
April 17, 2008 3:49 PM
 

NorthlandGirl said:

Just drove through hail coming south out of Smithville on 169 Highway.  Slightly larger than marble sized, but definitely not the golfball PatSoxCelts had!!  Pretty loud on the car and pulled over so hopefully avoided any damage.  :(
April 17, 2008 3:53 PM
 

Barbara said:

Nothing like sitting in a carpool line at school during a hail storm.  Ugh.  I hate hail.

We've already had .5" at 151st and Pflumm in Olathe.  
April 17, 2008 3:55 PM
 

Zazel said:

I've never understood the type of contradiction we have today.  We aren't in a Severe Thunderstorm Watch and there isn't even a meso about what is currently going on.  Expectations are, and radar confirms that these storms will continue to build, and clearly some are capable of spawning Severe Thunderstorm Warnings.  Yet, there is no watch and not even talk of issuing a watch.  Given a watch simply points out that conditions are favorable for severe weather, the fact it's occuring would seem to me to warrant the issuance of a watch.

Yes Gary, I realize you don't have the authority to issue either a watch or warning, but it seems to me someone at the NWS has dropped the ball.  Granted, these are just "marginally severe" storms but still, if a storm reaches severe criteria, it's severe.  Anyone care to explain why forecasters try to prognosticate future results but yet, ignore what is actually happening in the moment?    ~ Dave
April 17, 2008 4:10 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

Dave I take it your not paying attention.. in the last 90 min I have gotten two warnings.. one for wy co where i live and another for the surrounding counties
April 17, 2008 4:14 PM
 

DaveC said:

Zazel, this seems to happen alot, and I think it's a really good question...
April 17, 2008 4:14 PM
 

twister11 said:

I agree Dave! I am awstruck at how they are handling this... They even posted a weather statement around 2 30 that the storms would only be below severe limits. It blows me away.
April 17, 2008 4:14 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

Dave.. NWS site Pleasant hill.. here's the radar SHOWING warnings and watches...

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=TWX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

oops I jus messed up blog.. sorry guys..  
April 17, 2008 4:16 PM
 

Barbara said:

I've often wondered that myself.  We go straight from nothing to a warning just like that.  It drives me nuts.
April 17, 2008 4:20 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

Severe Tstorm warning.. Clay, Ray, Caldwell counties
April 17, 2008 4:21 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

5kckmartins.
I think he mean the lack of a watch, or discussions about the potential for severe storms, not the warnings. The warnings have been issued fine. Its the SPC that handles the watches.
April 17, 2008 4:28 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

dwx,
thanks for the clarification.  I'm watching until its time to head to Sprint Center.. and really hoping it doesn't decide to just drop cats and dogs on us lmao..
April 17, 2008 4:30 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Very heavy rai again in olathe

Tried posting around 3:30 about very heavy rain then with small hail and about track meet being cancelled ut it didnt show
April 17, 2008 4:32 PM
 

Zazel said:

Yes, we have warnings without a watch.  I agree with DaveC, this isn't a rare thing to have happen.  At times I can see why it would be so since maybe one storm explodes, goes severe, there's a warning issued, then it falls apart and nothing further happens.  That's entirely understandable.  In this case we have had numerous warnings all over the area for the last hour, along with reports of hail that meets severe criteria yet, they refuse to issue a watch.
April 17, 2008 4:34 PM
 

Barbara said:

Thunder, lightning and heavy rain here.
April 17, 2008 4:35 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

64 the High, well I forecasted 65, so within 1!!

It's now a 3 day streak!!
April 17, 2008 4:42 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

way to go Andrew  Congrats
April 17, 2008 4:50 PM
 

juba said:

Gary, it hailed dime to quarter size hail very ne Jo Co Airport around 3:15, coming in two waves just before and after 3:15. Now it is rainy with some thunder and more storms are developing and heading are way.
April 17, 2008 4:51 PM
 

Eswar said:

.52" of rain so far at 151st and Mur-Len in Olathe.
April 17, 2008 4:53 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

Here you go for those that wanted a watch:
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0652.html

AREAS AFFECTED...NERN OK/ERN KS/WRN MO
 
  CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE
 
  VALID 172151Z - 172215Z
 
  WW MAY BE NEEDED ACROSS NERN OK INTO FAR ERN KS/WRN MO.
April 17, 2008 4:58 PM
 

twister11 said:

I think they are afraid to admit they are wrong when they said no severe weather possible today.

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We thought all along there should have been a slight risk.  But, in the end it was just a few spots with severe hail.  Flooding is still the main threat.

Gary

April 17, 2008 5:15 PM
 

Randy Cooper said:

a little late arent they? action seems to be dying down. maybe redevelopment later? Gary?
April 17, 2008 5:16 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Very Heavy rain in Olathe for the 3rd time today
April 17, 2008 5:21 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Gary I apologize for not posting weather conditions before your 5PM.  Currently in McLouth the temp is 59.4 down from 63.2, we have .22 in of rain, dewpoint 54.9 rising again, pressure 29.78 falling, winds are 8 gusting to 9 out of the SE.  We have not had any hail here.

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Thank you!  I will need a final total later.

Gary

April 17, 2008 5:26 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

We are up to .54" of rain now here in Lenexa at 79th and Lackman. We have had several rounds of heavy rain, but so far we haven't had any hail, and it doesn't look like we will now. Do you think we will have more heavy storms, or will it just be rain showers now?

David
April 17, 2008 5:54 PM
 

Tony Baker said:

.57" of rain so far two miles South of Reno.

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Tony,

Thanks, more is on the way.

Gary

April 17, 2008 6:14 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

So far by Olathe North HS- 0.71"

Will I be able to continue my Streak tomorrow? hmm...
April 17, 2008 6:38 PM
 

NorthlandGirl said:

1.1 here off of 108th between N.Oak and 169 N.  Water standing everywhere... at least it's a slow steady rain now instead of the hard rain we had earlier.   How much more can we expect?
April 17, 2008 6:48 PM
 

Barbara said:

I have .9" at 151st and Pflumm.  Still raining a little.  
April 17, 2008 7:02 PM
 

Greg said:

Showing about .60 at 119th and Ridgeview in O-town. Gary, I'm smelling a repeat of the summer that was'nt in 2004, please tell me I'm wrong! I know it was'nt like '93 but it did kinda suck.
April 17, 2008 7:07 PM
 

zeusthegreat said:

Gary,

You said you think all along there should have been a slight risk for storms over you, but never once in the past few days blogs have you mentioned anything about severe weather.  Even in your 11am update you said "small hail" but then make a critical remark about no slight risk for the area (or always thought there should have been one)?  Isn't that being a little two-faced on the issue?  Its hard to sugar-coat something in your rear-view mirror that no one talked about.  

I don't know how you view things, but if the folks down at the SPC issued slight risks for these very marginal situations, would anyone take them seriously?  How many hail reports were there, or should I say how many severe hail reports were there?  Not enough to even warrant a slight risk.  However, all of their discussions from this morning on mentioned something about Missouri or Kansas, and noting how anything severe or strong would be hinged on the available elevated instability.

Zeusthegreat
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I don't disagree with what the SPC decided on at all.  It was always very marginal, and the severe hail was spotty anyway.  I think I mentioned it a few times in answering comments, but never really thought there it had to be a slight risk, just that it is close to being a severe weather set up, and in recent years it would have been.

Gary

April 17, 2008 7:11 PM
 

Lizbaugh said:

Oh my goodness! About 30 min. ago in Lee's Summit (pretty much on top of my house!) I saw the brightest flash of lighting and THE loudest clap of thunder I have ever heard...man, I love spring! Go Royals!!!
April 17, 2008 7:21 PM
 

spooky said:

Wow, great observations bloggers!
April 17, 2008 7:35 PM
 

spooky said:

BTW, sure hope Scott comes back someday.  Notes, please post your thoughts.  Enjoy you two the most.
April 17, 2008 7:36 PM
 

Greg said:

Spooky, maybe Scott's lying in wait with "Stormdog"...
April 17, 2008 7:49 PM
 

joneslr said:

Good evening Gary...
We received a little hail this afternoon, nothing like the event of the other day...
We totalled 1.08 inches here on the north end of Roeland Park...

Have a great evening!

Lance
April 17, 2008 8:34 PM
 

Tim in West Shawnee said:

Gary,

.81" has collected in the gauge here in western shawnee.  Not the highest total but my yard certainly loves it.

Tim
April 17, 2008 8:53 PM
 

WinterTracker said:

Gary,
      Do you think that we will get more rain later tonight? I was looking at the radar, and it appears a second round is developing from the south. I am enjoying this rain and warmer weather. All of the pear trees and daffodils are blooming. Our community pond is teeming with active crayfish,bass,bluegill, and catfish. That first storm around 3:30 this afternoon produced penny sized hail at my house in OP. What an interesting spring. I wish that front would stay stalled so it would not get colder(that 49 is depressing).
April 17, 2008 9:01 PM
 

ScottLinOP said:

At 9PM at 80th and Grant in Overland Park, I have 1.1" of rain in my gauge.

Scott L.
April 17, 2008 9:04 PM
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