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New severe weather outlook 11:30 AM

Good late morning NBC Action Weather Bloggers,

We will have Skytracker, our chase crews, and weather team in place later today as there is a serious threat of severe thunderstorms.  Here is the latest outlook from the SPC:

From the SPC discussion:

Strong heating and continued influs of lower 60s dew points will likely greatly weaken cap from far northeastern KS across southeastern KS/northern oklahoma this afternoon.  Shoule even one or two thunderstorms fire during the afternoon/early evening across this region...they could easily evolve into long-lived supercells given MLCAPE of 2500 J/KG and 40-50 KT deep layer shear.  

Here is the hail threat below:



This is a very complex situation today.  I have seen days like this go from nothing to a severe weather outbreak very quickly, and other days where only one isolated thunderstorm pops, and then it all goes after sunset.  We will know a lot more by the time our newcasts are on at 5 and 6 PM tonight.  Watch NBC Action News tonight, and we will update the blog as soon as we see something developing.  I don't expect any development until after 5 PM. 

Look at this map.  It is impressive, and a bit unusual.  The surface low in Nebraska has continued to weaken and move north.  The cold front has been pulled to all the way past Manhattan as of noon.  And, it should completely stall by this evening, but where?  And, the dry line intersecting the front is telling us where the surface low will likely develop in response to a very strong jet streak coming across eastern New Mexico this evening.  When this jet streak and associated upper level storm round the base of the trough and move into western Kansas, I am expecting explosive development of thunderstorms, some severe, in the area betwee Wichita, Emporia, and Chanute, down into northern Oklahoma.  They should then race north northeast and affect us tonight. 

The wild card, and scary thing for this evening, is the potential supercells that could form along the cold front and dry line around 6 or 7 PM. These first cells are the most likely to produce tornadoes.  We will be monitoring thi situation closely on NBC Action News.

Gary

Published Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:32 AM by glezak

Comments

 

Hamons Custom Landscaping said:

Will the clouds keeping the afternoon temps lower effect the chances for some good thunderstorms?

- jeff

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Temps should make a run at 80 again today.  Temps won't be help down too much today...especially along and west of the state line.

Jeremy

May 1, 2008 11:50 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

i cant help but notice that although its apparent that we will get some storms...the overall severe threat is shrinking and shifting away from KC metro, especially the northern side.

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I wouldn't write this off...and I don't think you are.  The SPC outlook shifted south...but in the big picture not too much.  Anything is still possible right now.

Jeremy

May 1, 2008 11:52 AM
 

Bryan said:

I am now sitting at 75.6 with a dewpoint of 59 winds South at 26 gusting to 36 and a clear sky in KCK.
May 1, 2008 11:54 AM
 

Trentonite said:

With SPC moving the Moderate risk south, is the liklihood of severe storms in north central MO less?  Once we see the Meso Discussions begin, will we see the moderate area be shifted back to the north?
May 1, 2008 11:54 AM
 

twister11 said:

watch out emporia.
May 1, 2008 11:55 AM
 

macnkc said:

Has the moderate threat shifted a little further south?  I don't find this fun at all either being the weather phobic that I am.
May 1, 2008 11:55 AM
 

Trentonite said:

With SPC moving the Moderate risk south, is the liklihood of severe storms in north central MO less?  Once we see the Meso Discussions begin, will we see the moderate area be shifted back to the north?

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I would have expanded, rather than moved the moderate risk.  Just because you are in a slight risk doesn't mean your threat is much less.

Gary

May 1, 2008 11:55 AM
 

twister11 said:

Im guessing we have to wait until the storms actually start to form to tell whether this will get serious.
May 1, 2008 11:56 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

YIKES!!! I guess I better be aware tonight!! Thanks Jim for the info. I think what I am gonna do is take Bourbon CO off my weather radio and program in Linn, Franklin and Allen Co...and see what happens tonight?? This should be a good time to figure it all out. :o)
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
May 1, 2008 11:56 AM
 

Bryan said:

temp now at 77.1
May 1, 2008 12:00 PM
 

adogg said:

Hey  Gary and weather team!! Been a while since I have blogged on here, been busy. So that moderate severe weather area is very close to us down here in Drexel, so im guessing that we can expect severe storms down here, or is it still kind of up in the air, no pun intended.

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It is still something that we have to wait and see on.  This is one of the amazing things about this part of the world.  There is nothing there now.  Once it forms we will know a lot more.  To the average person, they just don't understand how hard it is to predict exactly where the first thunderstorms will form, and exactly what time they will form.

Gary

May 1, 2008 12:00 PM
 

twister11 said:

Isnt it usually in and AROUND the moderate risk? Not just inside.

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Yes...maybe I wrote that wrong:)

Jeremy

May 1, 2008 12:03 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Conditions at:  KTOP observed 01 May 2008  16:53 UTC  
Temperature:  26.1°C (79°F)  
Dewpoint:  15.6°C (60°F) [RH = 52%]  
Pressure (altimeter):  29.37 inches Hg (994.7 mb)
[Sea-level pressure: 993.7 mb]  
Winds:  from the SSW (210 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 knots; 7.8 m/s)
gusting to 30 MPH (26 knots; 13.5 m/s)  
Visibility:  10 or more miles (16+ km)  
Ceiling:  at least 12,000 feet AGL  
Clouds:  few clouds at 4200 feet AGL  
Present Weather:  no significant weather observed at this time  
KTOP 011653Z 21015G26KT 10SM FEW042 26/16 A2937 RMK AO2 PK WND 23034/1623 SLP937 T02610156
May 1, 2008 12:06 PM
 

kane1970 said:

When will the Meso Discussions begin? I am new at this.

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Usually about 30-90 minutes before a watch is issued.  Probably no meso until maybe 2-4 p.m. or after.

Jeremy

May 1, 2008 12:06 PM
 

WannaBe said:

Folks, lets remember that severe weather will not occur exclusively in the moderate risk area.  As we all know, this is where the highest risk appears to be at this moment.  Severe weather will almost always occur outside the moderate or high-risk area and during most major severe weather outbreaks, tornado watches extend beyond those areas as well.  Everyone in our area should stay tuned in as this unfolds and be prepared to take action if you a threatened by severe storms this evening.
May 1, 2008 12:06 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

One other thing about some situations is because of the downdraft CAPE energy here, if we didn't have such a cap in place once one storm gets going the outflow would generate more storms. However, with as much cap as we have in place, once / if storms form they will be very isolated in nature, but very intense.
May 1, 2008 12:08 PM
 

adogg said:

Thanks Gary!! I do understand how hard the forcast is, and you do a very good job. I just hope we see some severe weather, its been kinda boring in that department.
May 1, 2008 12:08 PM
 

twister11 said:

O no Jeremy, I dont think you did. I was just verifying with you :)
May 1, 2008 12:09 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I have to admit this is Exciting and a little freaky, my siblings have their program tonight at 7pm, I might just go with them, so I don't have to babysit!!
May 1, 2008 12:13 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Why will just a few tornadoes possible?

We got:

Moisture
Heat
Wind Shear

What's missing.
May 1, 2008 12:15 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Lets see if this makes sense.

Not that any storm is normal by any means, but is this going to be like any other spring time storm? Or is this going to be very impresive? I think I am just trying to get a handle on the severity. I am wondering if I should make this a late night to keep an eye out or go to sleep. If that makes any sense to any body out there. Boy I sound like a moron.lol
May 1, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Scott said:

Looking at the ruc soundings, I see the surface instability definitely reacting.  I would not be overly suprised to see close to 3K values prior to the cap busting.

Looking at KTOP soundings, I see the trend of the cap shrinking..while still there, it is eroding slowly.  

Kinda like shaking up a Mentos in soda right now with the lid on.  I think the lid pops around 22-0Z.

As far as the MDT risk shift..not a big deal.  Still close enough and the dynamics are favorable.  I agree that if I did the update, it would have been expanded not moved.

When Gary starts a blog with "We will have Skytracker, our chase crews, and weather team in place later today as there is a serious threat of severe thunderstorms. "  That holds as much water as does the SPC thoughts.

For a station to have the helicopter fueled up and folks on standby becomes a ratings and economical decision for the station.  As we know, stations take their cost and ratings very seriously...

If this wasn't a real potential in this area, the PD would not have any thought to the weather other than if it may disrupt the slight fade on the drive off the tee.

;-)
May 1, 2008 12:22 PM
 

Scott said:

Andrew, you need veering as well...right now, I am seeing quite a bit of directional sheer [speed sheer].  Check helicity values.  Also keep an eye on LCL values.
May 1, 2008 12:24 PM
 

bgmike said:

Afternoon All,

I am not going to elaborate too much but my opinion is that we will not see anything until after dark.  I believe the tornado threat is small and the hail and wind threat is reasonably significant.  I will be hanging out in SE Kansas this afternoon in hopes of getting a cell to fire before dark.  The sun is out and the wind is howling for sure.  I am not seeing the moisture return the models are forecasting so that would lead me to believe that they are overdoing some of the CAPE involved.  I am also seeing less than ideal hodo's for tornadoes in the forecast soundings.  The CAP should hold any convection down until a larger forcing mechanism arrives (ie dryline/cold front).  IF convection holds off until this feature comes through then the chance of isolated supercells diminishes greatly.  Since I am a storm chaser and not a forecaster I will leave the more intricate details to the experts.  

Just my thoughts on this crazy set up.

Later,
Mike in Ottawa
May 1, 2008 12:24 PM
 

LRCfan said:

So is this the day we have PDS Tornado Watches out in our area maybe,can Scott or Gary answer this or whoever?

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The conditions are coming together for this, but not quite yet. Let's see how it evolves.  For everyone out there who does not know, PDS stands for particularly dangerous situation.

Gary

May 1, 2008 12:32 PM
 

beckysma said:

Make sure to charge your cell phones.  Maybe ya'll thought of that already, but it just dawned on me.
May 1, 2008 12:32 PM
 

sertorius said:

Good early afternoon to you Gary and Jeremy!! How you guys holding up today?? I can't imagine how busy you are, but I know you are also enjoying trying to figure this out from the meteological perspective!!

Just checking in with some noon observations:

1. It is currently 77 degrees with a dew point of around 60 here in Lawrence-we have had forr al intents and purposes sun all day so far.

2. Comparing the 15Z and 17Z surface observations it really appears that the surface low in Nebraska has become almost staionary and on satelite and observations does not look nearly as wrapped up as it was earlier. It is alos interesting that in Manhattan and Salina the dew point has dropped back to 49 degrees. Pretty close really to having that front have nudged through here.

3. That being said, I think on the 17Z observations that the southern surface low is geting together as the pressure has dropped in that area over the past 2 observations.

Just some random observations from this afternoon-what a fascinating day to follow the weather-wish I had more time but I will be looking at any possible opportunity!!! Have a great afternoon and thanks as always for putting so much time and effort into this Blog and keeping everyone in the area informed and up to date!!! Outstanding as always!!

Bill in Lawrence-where is my rock???

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Bill,

Great analysis, and as you can see by my surface map, the intersection is where the surface low should initially form, but then it could sag southwest.  An interesting day for sure, is an understatement.

Gary

May 1, 2008 12:34 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

yes temps continuing to creep up and up, looks like a rocky evening ahead.
May 1, 2008 12:35 PM
 

Bryan said:

I now have a dewpoint of 60 and a temp of 77.4
May 1, 2008 12:37 PM
 

Jennifer and Kelsey said:

on the way to Emporia...i'll check in from time to time

Jennifer
May 1, 2008 12:38 PM
 

Scott said:

Great analysis Gary.  You hit many of the points I was going for.  
May 1, 2008 12:39 PM
 

will5304 said:

What are the potential rain amounts from these storms?? Will flooding be an issue or will it just be the hail and wind/tornado potentials??
May 1, 2008 12:44 PM
 

bgmike said:

I guess the question of the day is:  Do you believe this or not?

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/model/ruc06hr_sfc_prcp.gif
May 1, 2008 12:44 PM
 

caliguy said:

Hey all...don't post very often but it's really clear in Lawrence with a few cumulus clouds around and in the distance.  I don't post very often but I was driving and feeling the heat of the sun on my arm through the window.  Also to note, the cumulus clouds are getting a little bigger than they were this morning.  I don't know how this will affect the weather later today
May 1, 2008 12:48 PM
 

caliguy said:

Hey all...don't post very often but it's really clear in Lawrence with a few cumulus clouds around and in the distance.  I don't post very often but I was driving and feeling the heat of the sun on my arm through the window.  Also to note, the cumulus clouds are getting a little bigger than they were this morning.  I don't know how this will affect the weather later today.  Also to note the dewpoint's up to 61.
May 1, 2008 12:48 PM
 

caliguy said:

Hey all...don't post very often but it's really clear in Lawrence with a few cumulus clouds around and in the distance.  I don't post very often but I was driving and feeling the heat of the sun on my arm through the window.  Also to note, the cumulus clouds are getting a little bigger than they were this morning.  I don't know how this will affect the weather later today.  Also to note the dewpoint's up to 61.
May 1, 2008 12:48 PM
 

subby64735 said:

Caliguy: I think you made up for not posting very often just now....LOL  Nice to see you on here  Jim in Clinton
May 1, 2008 12:51 PM
 

ScottLinOP said:

I have noticed the mention of a cap in place. What is the cap? Warmer air aloft, is what I know... but at what height and how warm?
May 1, 2008 12:51 PM
 

JPnKC said:

OK Team-- when these storms develop what direction will the be moving?

SW to NE? NW to SE? E to W-- just wondering what area to pay attention to later..
May 1, 2008 12:54 PM
 

dougbce said:

NWS is showing KCI at 60 on the dewpoint and 60 on the humidity
both are slowly rising!  Bring in the lawn furniture.
May 1, 2008 12:58 PM
 

twister11 said:

they will be moving from southwest to northeast.

Tyler
May 1, 2008 12:58 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I didn't realize a new blog was posted.  This is from the previous blog.

It is very humid and windy. I was outside working in the yard with my middle brother who is now living with us now.  Tight quarters but who cares when you have family around.

I think that we will get more hail and wind than anything.  The tornado risk is small.    Everyone should always be prepared for severe weather.  Need to have batteries and flashlights ready to go at a moment's notice.

For those of you who are praying and have good thoughts for my family.  My dad definitely has cancer but he will have a biopsy tomorrow and a PET scan Wed to determine what type and how far it has spread.  My family is coming together to help one another out.  I am sooo grateful for that and all the good thoughts and prayers here.  I can't say Thank You enough!

My mom has her appt. next Friday with the pulmonary specialist.

Kristi  

FOR JEREMY AND GARY,
I am sorry for going off on chfs but his comment made me angry.
May 1, 2008 1:04 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Doug,
My brother and I just dragged out the lawn furniture for the summer.  Fortunately much of it is under the covered part of our deck.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 1:05 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Kristi- glad your on- I had asked in the previous blog about a chase website you turned me on too a couple of weeks ago- it has multiple chasers with dashcams..I did not save it..can you share it with me again--hang in there girl!!

JP
May 1, 2008 1:08 PM
 

nastyweather said:

Well I haven't posted for quite awhile, but I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on today's severe weather event.  Keep the information coming.
May 1, 2008 1:11 PM
 

twister11 said:

Kristi, cancer can be so tough, but support is key, and you got it.
May 1, 2008 1:11 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Scott - you mentioned:
"Andrew, you need veering as well...right now, I am seeing quite a bit of directional sheer [speed sheer]."

Note that speed sheer (increasing speed with height - but winds all from ~the same direction) and directional sheer (winds coming from different directions as altitude increases) are two very different beasts!  

Both are great for thunderstorms, while *directional* sheer, particularly veering (winds rotating clockwise with height [ie: southerly surface winds, SW or westerly winds aloft] - associated with warm fronts - occuring now in the warm sector of this storm here in eastern KS) aids in the rotation of supercells.
May 1, 2008 1:13 PM
 

dougbce said:

glad to hear your doing well Kristi.  And I can relate with having the family around.  I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya.

New outlook at 1PM:
CURRENT THINKING IS THAT THERE WILL BE A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS
DEVELOPING TOWARDS 6 PM IN THE VICINITY OF A DRY LINE EXTENDING FROM NEAR
MARYVILLE...TO SAINT JOSEPH...THEN SOUTHWEST INTO EASTERN KANSAS WEST
OF THE KANSAS CITY METRO AREA. IF THESE STORMS DEVELOP...THEY WILL
HAVE TO POTENTIAL OF PRODUCING DAMAGING HAIL...WINDS AND ISOLATED
TORNADOES AS THEY MOVE TO THE EAST DURING THE EARLY EVENING HOURS.
May 1, 2008 1:14 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Gary,

Who are your chase crews, besides Sean Wilson?  Does your station ever send out any of you mets into the field to chase?  

I know it is much more common as you head south and west (ICT, OKC, etc...) but I rarely hear about any of you four heading out on a chase.  Is there a reason your station chooses to not put a met in the field?

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Notes,

Brett Anthony is going to be in Skytracker if there is a threat before sunset.  He often does go out, and he saw the May 4, 2003 tornado right near I-435 live on the air 5 years ago.

So, he will be out.  Sean Wilson will be out.  Anthony Silver will be out, one of our chasers.  And, one of our news crews will be out, if the situation warrants. 

Gary

May 1, 2008 1:15 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I got this website from someone here.  I have not signed up for it yet tho. Here it is:  http://www.spotternetwork.org/

Kristi  
May 1, 2008 1:17 PM
 

ScottR said:

So what times are we looking at here?  Supercells possibly in the area at around 7:30pm and then a line of storms later?  Or just the one round?
May 1, 2008 1:19 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

have to go to work soon... have hit 80 degrees officially in St. Joe, yes mother nature is cooking up something, wind is also pretty strong now to.
May 1, 2008 1:21 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Gary -

Cool about the chase crews.  What a dream that would be to chase from a helicopter.  Thanks for the response - I'm looking forward to seeing some good video of tonight's activity since I can't chase today.
May 1, 2008 1:23 PM
 

Stilwell said:

Gary,

You have me freaked out here! :) I have a child now and severe weather really freaks me out. We have a basement, but are they safe in a big tornado? I wish we would have dug out under our garage so we had a truly safe area. Were in a basement is the safest place to go and how much protection wil a typical basement (not walk out or daylight) give you? ***************** I would just keep up to date and watch our coverage if severe weather develops. Try to relax...nothing has formed and when it does the chance for tornadoes is still small. Jeremy
May 1, 2008 1:24 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I thought if a storm moves through in alignment (like a squall line) that the chance of a tornado is minimal. My understanding was if the cells are by themselves then the risk is greater if all the other conditions are present too. Am I wrong about that?
I may not have used the right term up their...but it was the best I could do. LOL!
************** Cells standing alone like supercells are more likely to produce a tornado than a squall line. But there are places on a squall line that are more likely to see tornado formation than others. Jeremy
May 1, 2008 1:25 PM
 

Bryan said:

I have a temp now of 78.3 and a dewpoint of 61..my winds have switched from the South tothe west at 22MPH, gust to 39. Very interesting seeing the winds change. Possible wind shift?
May 1, 2008 1:28 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Our greatest risk will be wind and hail.  The tornadoes would be isolated in nature.

Folks,
Armaggedon is not coming today or tonight. :)  Just be prepared and you will be fine. :)

Tyler aka twister,
Thanks for the kind words.  They are much appreciated.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 1:32 PM
 

bellgolf08 said:

kristi-i am thnking good thoughts towards you and your family. the spotternetwork is fun to watch even if you have not signed up for it.

i belive today is going to be fun and fun to watch let gary and his team win in the weather wars. *************** We have today and tonight covered. If bloggers can send in reports it would be great. Also, please email us pictures...just send them to everyone on the team. That way we won't miss them! Jeremy
May 1, 2008 1:36 PM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Jeremy or Gary - for those of us who don't get home in time to watch your 5 or 6 news, are you going to post an update to the blog later this afternoon to see how things are forming?  We rely on our weather radio because no sirens we can hear around us, but if we need to just sleep in the basement, we will!  Night time tornados really scare me. ***************** The blog will always be updated...probably after each SPC outlook is issued and when we have new info. Jeremy
May 1, 2008 1:39 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Bell,
I need to sign up for it.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 1:41 PM
 

Kimberly said:

Stillwell, try to relax.  Tornadoes are scary and need to be taken seriously, but it is unlikely they will every actually affect you. I have lived here 30 years and while I have been in my basement many times for warnings, I have never had a tornado anywhere close to me.  You need to take your precautions, and listen to the warnings and go to your safe spot (and as long as your basement is completely underground, that will be very protective) if there is a warning, but your chance of getting in a car wreck is so much greater than of ever seeing a tornado. You don't worry every time you get in your car do you?

Even in the Greenwood tornado last year, which completely wiped out a town, only 11 people were killed. Yes, 11 is alot of people, but think of that. An entire town wiped out, and only 11 deaths.  That is because of the warning systems. In towns without good warning systems, there would have been many more deaths. The majority of people in that town survived.  So just stay tuned to Gary and listen when he gives warning, but really don't stress about it.
May 1, 2008 2:06 PM
 

twinkiekid said:

I just read on another blog that the TIV was on its way to Independence.  Anyone seen it yet?
May 1, 2008 2:07 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Went out to lunch around 1 PM out here in Lees Summit -- yeah I can tell just the way it feels out there it's gonna get bumpy tonight!
May 1, 2008 2:08 PM
 

Scott said:

Notes - yes..good catch, I got in a hurry in typing and neglected the "uni"directional sheer.

Also, in looking at the surface obs..still not seeing the secondary low?
May 1, 2008 2:12 PM
 

kane1970 said:

TIV????????
May 1, 2008 2:13 PM
 

Hushpook said:

Professor Lezak,

Are there any conditions what we might look for this afternoon that would foreshadow severe thunderstorm development? Changing dew point or wind direction/speed in one part of Kansas, or breaks in the clouds perhaps. Or is it one of those things were we just have to hurry up & wait?
May 1, 2008 2:13 PM
 

Scott said:

TIV - Tornado Intercept Vehicle
May 1, 2008 2:14 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The Tornado Intercept Vehicle????

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:18 PM
 

twinkiekid said:

kane1970 said:
TIV????????

The Tornado Intercept Vehicle (TIV) from Stormchasers on the Discovery Channel.
May 1, 2008 2:18 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I wonder if they meant Independence, Kansas?

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:19 PM
 

kane1970 said:

okay I learn somthing every day thanks up to 110 comments. That is pretty cool. This is a great blogg for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 1, 2008 2:20 PM
 

Scott said:

I found the secondary low..further west on the frontal boundary along the pressure falls, and not where the dryline/cold front intercept where I was looking.
May 1, 2008 2:20 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

When you're looking for the first signs of initiation of thunderstorm development, check surface observations for slight wind shifts ahead of the dryline (for surface boundaries that may trigger upward motion).

A more reliable method for seeing the first development is to stay updated with satellite imagery.

For instance:
http://adds.aviationweather.gov/satellite/displaySat.php?region=ICT&isingle=mult_big&itype=vis

Watch for the first hints of "explosive" development in the clear air ahead of the DL/CF.
May 1, 2008 2:23 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I like the show Storm Chasers on Discovery Channel.  It's very interesting for a weather geek like me. :)  That was the first time I had heard about the TIV.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:24 PM
 

bellgolf08 said:

twinkiekid-what blog did you read that on?
May 1, 2008 2:27 PM
 

RodB said:

I think it's pretty confident to say that the TIV is headed towards Independence, KS (SE KS), we're safe for the time being.  If you happen to see it in your town, look to the skies because severe weather may be near.  Sean Wilson and I crossed paths with the TIV and the DOWs last May in Wakeeny, KS.  Classic supercell that day.  Couldn't chase with him today though.  That ship sailed while I was still here at work.  Going to have to virtual chase this evening.  Unless we are fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to see the storms roll through.
May 1, 2008 2:28 PM
 

Bryan said:

I'm now sitting at 81.3..dewpoint still 61
May 1, 2008 2:30 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Rod,
I virtual chase every time storms are in our region. :)

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:40 PM
 

kane1970 said:

80 degrees not sure what the dew point is.
May 1, 2008 2:41 PM
 

morganmom said:

The TIV is in Kansas.  Go to discoverychannel.com and click on Storm Chasers and they have a live track of all of there vehicles.  cool show and I forgot all about it.
May 1, 2008 2:41 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Has the dryline come thru Topeka?  The relative humidity is only 39% there with a dewpoint of 57 degrees.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:42 PM
 

twinkiekid said:

Someone posted the website earlier today.  I was looking for a national site that chasers posted to.

http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/index.php

BTW Rob, thanks for extinguishing my expectations.  It would be an event to run into that group.  It would be awesome to see them in action.
May 1, 2008 2:42 PM
 

ScottR said:

Anxiously awaiting the new SPC outlook.  Due in the next 18 minutes or less...
May 1, 2008 2:42 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

I am at 78 degrees, with dew point of 62 in Lenexa. I do love warm weather. I do wish I had gone with Sean today. yeesh.
May 1, 2008 2:45 PM
 

twister11 said:

i think the new outlook will be about the same as this one. I dont think they will move the moderate risk much, if any.
May 1, 2008 2:48 PM
 

RodB said:

simplykristi,

It's hard not too.  It's probably best that I didn't go with Sean today, he will probably be successful now.  The "tordado killer" is officially still in the metro so we're all safe yet again!  ; )
May 1, 2008 2:51 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Hi Rod,
I will even watch storms in other parts of the country.

BTW, I applied to see if I could get on StormTrack.org  That website looks really interesting.  Another site to bookmark. :)

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:55 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Tesister,
Does it come out around 3 or so?

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:56 PM
 

FutureNursLori said:

Execpt, of course, for this site, stormtrack.org is the best site ever for wx enthusiasts!  I have been happily addicted since day one of signing up in '04.  There is so much wx info for those wishing to self-educate and many experienced members and mets that are willing to help out newbies.  I couldn't be more thrilled, unless I had gas money and no test in the morning, about the impending severe wx!!!  
Kristi- glad to hear that your family is coming together and helping out. As you mentioned, it is so important to have support in times like this.  I have some personal experiences with cancer, unfortunately, and I want you to know that you can always vent to me if you need.  
Lori
May 1, 2008 2:56 PM
 

simplykristi said:

OOOPS twister...  I totally messed up your name in my last comment to you.  Sorry about that.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 2:56 PM
 

homerun said:

Gary-Jeremy--looks like the Topeka NWS on its latest outlook has pushed the severe weather east and south of us.  I guess that front (there are clouds off to our west now) is too close to here---we may not get one rain drop--maybe a shower---Oh well I have seen this kind of day too--fools a person---Stay safe to our east everyone--Michael/Berryton/Topeka
May 1, 2008 2:58 PM
 

twister11 said:

haha Kristi, I read that at first and I was looking above for a tesister... i was confused!! lol. I think it comes out at three, that is what scottR said above me, do you think it will change much?
May 1, 2008 3:00 PM
 

radman22 said:

Latest web briefing from the NWS.   Pretty much the same old stuff, just broken down a bit for the novice.

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/eax/?n=webbriefing
May 1, 2008 3:02 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Why do I have this bad gut feeling storms will fire along a St Joseph to Lawrence to just west of Ottawa line...
May 1, 2008 3:02 PM
 

kane1970 said:

It is very quite around here. LOL
82 degrees. I-35 and 87th st.
Time to go home and find toto lol. I need to see if the paito furniture is still there.
To every one out chasing..... BE SAFE AND THANK YOU.
May 1, 2008 3:04 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

Has the SPC outlook come out yet?
May 1, 2008 3:04 PM
 

RodB said:

Kristi,

Gary's blog and stormtrack.org are my two favorites.  I've learned a ton on both sites.  I am a member of stormtrack but haven't blogged on it.  Haven't been confident in my knowledge enough yet to offer input there.  My forecasts skills are basic at best.  Probably not bad for a middle school science teacher but hardly good enough to keep up the the bloggers on stormtrack.  Great site though, escpecially on days like today!
May 1, 2008 3:05 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Why is that a bad feeling F00dl3???
May 1, 2008 3:05 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Kristi-

Nope, the dryline has not passed through Topeka yet.  Meteorologists will often tell you to basically ignore surface relative humidity - it in many ways is a decieving value.  Instead focus on the dew point.  Notice on a surface plot that the dew points are all in the upper-50s and low-60s ahead of the dryline but are dramatically lower (teens and twenties - even some single digit dew points!) behind the line far to the SW.

http://adds.aviationweather.gov/data/metars/sfc_ict.gif
May 1, 2008 3:06 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Rod, so that's who you are! I am the "lucky charm." I wonder what Sean would get if we were both with him ? LOL
May 1, 2008 3:06 PM
 

twister11 said:

outlook is pretty much the same still.
May 1, 2008 3:07 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Lori,
Thanks so much!  My dad is the 5th person I know to be diagnosed with cancer since Sept. 2007.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 3:08 PM
 

ScreamingYellowZonker said:

This is for Stillwell.... my parents were in the 2003 tornado and it was an F4.  They were in their basement.  I think you will be fine in your basement but don't be too close to a window.  My dad was looking out the basement window and he got cut, but not badly.  That same week one came through Lawrence and a family in their basement videotaped themselves in the basement and they were fine.  They could hear stuff hitting the house but nothing was whirling around in the basement.  In the one my parents were in, one house was completely gone except for the ground floor and the basement, which was intact.  Everyone was fine in their basements.

One other thing that helped me be a little less afraid of them was seeing just how narrow the track of destruction was.  This was a very strong tornado and the width of the path was 1 or 2 houses.  It also did like they talk about and skipped over some houses for some reason.  This does not mean it's wonderful if it's YOUR house that happens to be in the track it takes but the track was so narrow--at the end of the block was a house with horses and I was so worried about the horses and they were fine.  They did not get sucked up in it and it was like half a block away.  Where it was the strongest was pretty bad, but that part was like 1/2 block or less width most of the way.  So you could be in your basement and they say "There is a tornado in Waldo!" and it hits 72nd and doesn't touch 73rd at all.  I hope that helps.  
May 1, 2008 3:10 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

When are these storms supposed to fire here in KC? I have baseball games to umpire in the Kansas City area and I would like to know if we should keep extra tabs on the skies. The first game starts at 6.
May 1, 2008 3:12 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Notes,
Thankls for the explanation.  The reason  I said that was because of the relative humidity...  Much lower in Topeka than here in KC but not much difference in dewpoints between and there.  I know that there is a sharp contrast in dewpoints ahead and behind the dryline.  

Kristi
May 1, 2008 3:14 PM
 

Bryan said:

The temps are out of control today. I'm now up to 82.6
May 1, 2008 3:14 PM
 

MikeL said:

Looks to me like the dryline has passed or is passing through both Topeka and Emporia. At 2:00P the dewpoints were 56 (TOP) and 57 (EMP) and at 3:00P they are 53 and 52 respectively.

Unless the dryline backs up (which I am not expecting) I am expecting any storms to fire east of here in SW Topeka.

Mike
May 1, 2008 3:15 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Wow - there sure is a fascinating little tongue of warm air surging north along I-35 up and along the Missouri river.  Check out the surface plot to find temps in the mid-80s!  At first I thought it was one station's error, but found a string running from Emporia (86) to Topeka (86) to Falls City (extreme SW NE) where it is currently 87!  Temps surrounding this corridor are all in the low- to mid-70s - about 10-15 degrees cooler!

Check this hour:
http://adds.aviationweather.gov/data/metars/sfc_ict.gif

Note:  The link will auto-update so if you look at the image after about 3:30 or 4:00, the obs I mentioned above may not still show!
May 1, 2008 3:16 PM
 

twister11 said:

I was figuring the dry line was around Topeka as well, because of the big differences in humidity.
May 1, 2008 3:18 PM
 

LRCfan said:

if you look at wichita radar it is showing a line on radar just east of wichita that must be the dryline showing up.
May 1, 2008 3:18 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The relative humidity in Topeka is now 32% with a dewpoint of 53.  The relative humidity is 56% with a dewpoint of 60 in Lee's Summit (closest observation to me).

Kristi
May 1, 2008 3:19 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

I called it a "bad" gut feeling because my gut feelings are usualy wrong :-D
May 1, 2008 3:19 PM
 

radman22 said:

These clear skies are foreshadowing what is to come.   Temps are higher than expected and the moisture is ripe.    
May 1, 2008 3:19 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Temps are at 85.6 F In Olathe

And somehow this will turn into a bigger event then expected. ************** What exactly is expected? The temps in the 80s are higher than thought...but any severe weather tonight would not be a surprise(hail, wind, tornadoes). Jeremy
May 1, 2008 3:19 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

I'd be wary of labelling any boundary in northern KS a dryline at all today.  Although the dew points do drop off as you work west from KC, there doesn't exist a sharp contrast in moisture which is what is required for a dryline to be progged.  

The relative humidity does drop a lot between the two cities you mentioned, but only in part due to less moisture - the other reason is that the temp in TOP (86) is warmer than the temp in KC (81).  When the temp goes up, absent any change in moisture content, the relative humidity goes down.  That is the primary reason why RH is a poor measure of moisture content and meteorologists strongly prefer to reference dew point instead. ************* Good call. The moisture difference will likely stall somewhere near KC with the strengthening of the surface low to the southwest. Jeremy
May 1, 2008 3:20 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

Temp is 84.8 here in Parkville. Really ripe outside for storms.
May 1, 2008 3:24 PM
 

Jennifer and Kelsey said:

we got to emporia about an hour ago.  Notes...you are right temps are high.  Current temp 86.2 and dew point 53.  light breeze and broken clouds.  gonna hang out at ESU for a while.  more later.

jennifer
May 1, 2008 3:25 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

On the other hand, 2500 to 3000 j/kg CAPEs are making their way into the western parts of the metro...

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/s6/sbcp.gif
May 1, 2008 3:25 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Jeremy. The fact that mostly Gary has said that this is going to be a Hail or wind event. He said that tornaodoes would probabily not happen since the supercells were only going to be minor. However due to the fact that now There is going to be alot of supercells and tornadoes out of this. The Hail and damaging wind event will happen later on tonight.
May 1, 2008 3:29 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

I still like my original target of Emporia for this evening...nice moisture convergence, a pop in the surface air temp, and good instability with weakening CIN.

The best surface pressure falls are still a few hours away so it may be a while, but I still like the area.  

Good luck Jennifer and Kelsey.

May 1, 2008 3:29 PM
 

MikeL said:

In any event, the dewpoint has dropped 3 degrees in the last hour in Topeka and 5 degrees in Emporia. It is a very warm summer like day here in the capitol city of Kansas!
Mike
May 1, 2008 3:29 PM
 

cindylouwho said:

Twinkiekid - You heard Independence correct , but it is Kansas not Mo.  Reed Timmer has been on CNN, Discovery Channel, TWC, etc. and nearly always gets the footage you so often see on the national news.  He has concocted a camera mounted on a concrete block that he is determined to place in the path of a tornado this season.  Last year he accidentally dropped his cell phone trying to jump back into a car to outrun a tornado and it was never again to be found!  You can watch his live dashboard camera, and a couple others on his team at www.tornadovideos.net.  
May 1, 2008 3:32 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

Dewpoint is still at 69
May 1, 2008 3:35 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Looks like something is trying to pop to the east of Cameron MO
May 1, 2008 3:40 PM
 

Mammatus said:

First meso discussion of the day
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0756.html
May 1, 2008 3:41 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Looks like the cap is breaking in spots - one near Cameron MO and another near Eureka KS
May 1, 2008 3:43 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

Why arent there any watches out yet?
May 1, 2008 3:44 PM
 

David Sanders said:

dewpoint has dropped 2.5 in lawrence in the last 15 minutes.

there appears to be a small shower forming near eureka, ks.
May 1, 2008 3:44 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

For those of you checking this blog and are worried about the severe weather potential....PLEASE do not take Chfs27 with anything other than a grain of salt. Chfs, you have GOT to stop saying things like "lots of supercells and tornadoes out of this." People who don't know you always predict (and hope for) major events (that never ever happen according to your dire forecasts) may see your post and take it as truth and get upset and freaked out over nothing. There are many people who are afraid of these things and check on this blog to see how worried they should get. Reading your posts about "lots of tornadoes" serves only to upset people needlessly. I wish something could be done about that.
May 1, 2008 3:48 PM
 

GaryB said:

There are no watches or warnings because the dry line is still 300 miles away and the NWs never expected a major outbreak of anything warranting a watch or warning.  The cap can break, creek or crack, but nothing will happen here till at or after dark, if at all.
May 1, 2008 3:50 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

The dry air is surging in too fast... if something doesn't fire quick dryline storms are going to be non-existant; and we will have to wait until later for the cold front linear storms.
May 1, 2008 3:50 PM
 

bellgolf08 said:

anyone having trouble with spotternetwork.org. the national activity is not loading correctly for me
May 1, 2008 3:51 PM
 

Bryan said:

I agree Jeri. It needs to be stopped.
May 1, 2008 3:52 PM
 

Bryan said:

I agree Jeri. It needs to be stopped.
May 1, 2008 3:53 PM
 

Awtherfrd said:

So how many inches of snow are possible with this storm?
May 1, 2008 3:55 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Bellgolf, I had trouble getting it to load earlier as well.
May 1, 2008 3:55 PM
 

youngitized said:

Gary and Weather Team,

When do you expect the Meso Discussion to come out? Also, the watch, is it most likely to be a PDS Watch?

Ryan
May 1, 2008 3:58 PM
 

Luthur said:

Storms are firing in waaaaaaaaayyyyy West Kansas.
May 1, 2008 3:58 PM
 

macnkc said:

Agreed Jeri. There are weather phobics out here, I am one of them. I consider myself a tough guy, but living on a farm without a basement as a kid exposed me to lots of bad weather. I try to stay calm, but I have probably spent needless hours worrying about what may happen.
May 1, 2008 3:59 PM
 

macnkc said:

Agreed Jeri. There are weather phobics out here, I am one of them. I consider myself a tough guy, but living on a farm without a basement as a kid exposed me to lots of bad weather. I try to stay calm, but I have probably spent needless hours worrying about what may happen.
May 1, 2008 3:59 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

storms are firing in western KAN
May 1, 2008 4:04 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Is it just me or is the dryline starting to retreat to the west just a bit around the emporia area? Also noticed that deep moisture is really starting to pool around eastern Kansas and western missouri and are those towering cumulus clouds I see on the latest Satellite imagery?
May 1, 2008 4:04 PM
 

bellgolf08 said:

new meso down around tulsa!!!
May 1, 2008 4:11 PM
 

Turd Fergenson said:

Jeri. I dont see why not Chfs327 cant voice his openion. Yet he does over exaggerate things. I see where your coming from. Unless he is posting false information and is makeing people worried then i dont know about that. I enjoy his posts because it shows how much enthuesasm and how much spirit he has for the weather.

Again I dont see why his post is such a big deal
May 1, 2008 4:12 PM
 

twister11 said:

MD in effect for central Oklahoma, watch possible. It also mentions how the cap is weakening greatly. Expecting development after later this evening.
May 1, 2008 4:13 PM
 

Charles From New York said:

yes the dryline is expected to retreat as the day wares on allowing increased development
May 1, 2008 4:18 PM
 

angvic00 said:

Why don't you all read Gary's update on the NBC homepage?
May 1, 2008 4:19 PM
 

sertorius said:

Good afternoon everybody!!

Just some more random type observations that I have no idea if they are even close to being correct, but here they go:

1. Standing outside: I have a temperature of 87 degrees here in SW Lawrence and a dew point of around 60 degrees. The winds have kind of veered to the west south west but the clouds are beginning to build.

2. Based on the 20Z Surface Charts: I think the real dry line is still way back in SW Kansas as the dew point around Dodge City is around 35 degrees. The other thing and this is what I am really not sure of, is that the surface low in Nebraksa has really hung pretty tough today-it has faded/remained stationary for the past few hours, but has not been fully replaced by the southern surface low. I am wondering if for Lawrence and points west this will not be a factor considering our winds have turned more to the west. Prob. way off base on that one!!!

3. Radar: There is one shower that appears to be moving right up I-35 that faded and then regenerated-will be interesting to see if this is not where the storms begin to fire. Kind of totally knocks out my point number 2, but while I still just can't get that surface low in Nebraska out of my head and its affects on Lawrence, I wonder if we are seeing where they are going to pop. Also, I wonder if the storms in SW Kansas are not forming in response to the developing southern surface low which I think you can see on the wtaer vapor imagery over the Oklahoma Panhandle.

4. Most importantly: I am for sure like Peter Sellers and taking a shot in the dark here (with Elkie Summers!!!)-I have no idea if these make any sense at all, but here they are!!!!

Will hopefully have time this evening to really follow this-have a great rest of the afternoon everybody

Bill man I've really lost my rock today in Lawrence
May 1, 2008 4:19 PM
 

Awtherfrd said:

So I have a satelite dish and if these storms hit durring "The Office" and I loose my signal I am going to be really upset and want to blame someone... So I think I will either blame Chfs327 or Katie Horner.
May 1, 2008 4:22 PM
 

nastyweather said:

This late in the afternoon and we don't even have watches in effect.  I guess we'll have to keep waiting for something to happen.
May 1, 2008 4:25 PM
 

Braysmama said:

What are the chance's that nothing develops? I don't see any watches out yet, and if one were to be issued, thinking it would be a severe t-storm, not tornado.
May 1, 2008 4:27 PM
 

johnmarr said:

if these weather phobics cant read what gary and other profisonals are saying about the storms and nobody is saying there is no tornados heading there way then they should go to the basment and wait for the sky to fall because there idiots
May 1, 2008 4:28 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

I think everyone on here has enthusiam and spirit for the weather. I am not against people having a right to voice an opinion, I just think it needs to be done in a respectful and considerate manner. I have seen the Weather Team on numerous occasions ask Chfs to tone it down. But when severe weather is a possibility and there are people looking to this blog for accurate information and to get an idea of how concerned they should be, some will tend to focus on the one that predicts gloom and doom and take that to heart.
Those on here like Scott, Notes, PvtMurphy, etc that have some decent weather knowledge never inflate things like "3 inches of ice tomorrow"  or "lots of tornadoes" that may cause people who are new or learning to become upset and frightened.
To me, those kinds of posts demean the site when people are coming here for   information about something that may impact them and trying to lessen their worries about it and find some kid hoping for ice storms that cause week long power outages and storms that will spawn "lots of tornadoes."
I may get in trouble for voicing this, but I can tell you I am not the only one that feels this way.
Jeri
May 1, 2008 4:30 PM
 

mizzoufan03 said:

85 degrees in Gladstone & partly sunny, dew point says 71...that can't be right...could it?
May 1, 2008 4:30 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Wonderful blog. I learn so much from lurking here. Kristi ~ you're one of my favorites besides Gary. Thanks for the link to Spotter Network and Storm Chasers on Discovery. Very un-nerving to see that their TVN is not too far from me.
I'm fascinated and scared to death by bad weather. Back in the 70's a twister jumped over my house. We were in the hallway with a mattress over us.
I can't believe that I bought a house without a basement. What was I thinking?
May 1, 2008 4:31 PM
 

David Sanders said:

dewpoint is rising again here in lawrence (back up to 60...bottomed out at 57.9). temps at 85. cumulus clouds are building.
May 1, 2008 4:32 PM
 

twister11 said:

we all new nothing is expected until after around 6. Gary said that several times.
May 1, 2008 4:32 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

clouds are builing. Im thinking we will get some rapid development here in the next 45 minutes or so.
May 1, 2008 4:34 PM
 

Charles From New York said:

tornado watch issued for SD and Northern Nebraska
May 1, 2008 4:35 PM
 

simplykristi said:

New blog has been posted, everyone. :)  It is basically an update. :)

Kristi
May 1, 2008 4:37 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Question about where I should go since I don't have a basement. I don't have an interior room or closet. I do have a long hallway. I have an outside room without windows or glass but it's in the SW corner of house.  What's the most important thing ~ away from an outside wall or away from glass?  

One last ? We have a pretty good crawl space under the house. Would it be a good idea to put a trap door and stairs down to there or is the possibility too strong of house collapsing on us?

I sure would love an above ground shelter!!! It's on my wish list ;-)
Lorie
May 1, 2008 4:37 PM
 

mizzoufan03 said:

Hey Chfs327,

I do enjoy your enthusiasm, though somewhat immature ( giving your age).

Again folks, yes this board is very informative but also somewhat entertaining.

Some of you need to relax and quit being so liberal.

Kind regards
May 1, 2008 4:42 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Go to an interior room or closet that has no windows that is on the lowest level of your home in the event there is a tornado.

Kristi
May 1, 2008 4:43 PM
 

angvic00 said:

My weather radio has been giving thunderstorm warnings and tornado watches but for what areas?
May 1, 2008 5:50 PM
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