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Is it going to rain or not?..updated severe outlook

Good afternoon bloggers,

Update at 1 PM:  Severe weather outlook for the plains.  We will have to watch the area in the moderate risk, as thunderstorms explode in this area later today a complex may turn our way later tonight. 

Previous entry below:

This is the type of storm, in this years LRC pattern, that has struggled to produce a lot of precipitation here.  I am a bit surprised, and then again I shouldn't be.  There still may be an MCS (mesoscale convective system) tracking across northern Kansas tonight into early Wednesday, but the main storm tracks south of us, as you can see in the previous blog.  We will continue to monitor this developing storm on our newscasts tonight. 

Here is the updated GFS forecast rainfall amounts through Thursday.  As you can see we are  near the minimum area, but this doesn't mean this solution is correct. 

I was quite generous in showing the 0.08" in that minimum area.  Actually it is near zero right there in this spot.  Will it pan out this way?  We will have special graphics on the air tonight covering this situation.  The wind fields are weak aloft and at the surface tomorrow, so we think any risk of a severe thunderstorm is extremely slight.

The Jr. Meteorologist Contest continues with another of our top 10 entries on the 5 PM newscast.  We will continue showing the top ten through early next week, and then we announce the winner of the trip to Disneyworld later next week.  Good luck kids!

Gary

Published Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:02 AM by glezak

Comments

 

homerun said:

Good morning Gary--so no rain for Topeka?---that doesn't surprise me because during the LRC this past winter we were passed up many times with the precip going to the south-----Do you see that spot getting some rain over the next 5-7 days?  Really wierd though many sources here in Topeka still have the rain chance at 70%---I bet they change that this afternoon---The new 7-day forecast looks great---working with computer graphics and getting things exactly the way you want them takes time for sure.  Michael/Berryton/Topeka
May 6, 2008 11:17 AM
 

kane1970 said:

???????????????????????????????
I have no clue what to expect in the next few days. Rain? I don't know. I geuss we will have to wait and see. I can tell it is way to tough to figure out. Keep up the good work.
May 6, 2008 11:21 AM
 

Zazel said:

I can't speak for actually knowing much of anything, but the SPC just put a huge moderate severe risk area off to our northwest, with text indicating the storms would likely evolve into an MCS at some point and head to the southeast, affecting central/eastern Kansas.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day1otlk.html
May 6, 2008 11:24 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Gary, when looking at your updated map and the heavy rain south and east - can you give a couple city names for there?  What about the Holden/Warrensburg area?  We have basement problems and it helps to know if we're in the really heavy rain.  Thanks
May 6, 2008 11:45 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

well I can't say I'm not disappointed that we are out of the slight risk for tomorrow it would be good to hear that we would at least still have thunderstorms but seeing Gary's new Rainfall map. I'm just a bit disappointed. But Gary does not control the weather. The Government does. LOL.
May 6, 2008 11:48 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Every time there is a model run, the whole set up changes.  I know this is wrong but I really pay too much attention to the models.  I think that the reason that I don't use the models too much..... They show what is happening at the time not really what is going to happen in the future, in my opinion.

Kristi
May 6, 2008 11:49 AM
 

Nick Rau said:

well we are at the time of year, and with this pattern where even if we miss a rain opportunity the next one should be practically on our door step, interesting outlook by the SPC anyway, and with models, they are still a good way  of getting a general idea, but with thunderstorm complexes, you can't buy into their exact rain amounts, because on the next run it will look totally different, and then when the storms happen the outcome could be quite a bit different than what the models actually said, take what last nights NAM said about today, and now we see that there probably won't be any rain at all this evening.
May 6, 2008 12:07 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

I was wondering if next week should be the point at which the "big four" should try and return per the cycle(big four, meaning the big winter storm systems), just wondering.
May 6, 2008 12:21 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

it seems to me the biggest storm systems are the ones they don't scream about until the last minute or until it's actually happening and the ones they show from day 4 those all turn out to be busts. ya know what I mean. but man I will take an MCS any day if that's what we get but I just haven't seen a nice mid afternoon diurnal powerhouse storm in a while.
May 6, 2008 12:24 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Yes, I was just curious, I know well that just because a storm system is "large" and even strong, it does not mean that it will set up right to hit the local area hard, although the potential has to be watched, and sometimes a "smaller" system will just set up right with the moisture and wind fields to slam the area with severe weather.
May 6, 2008 12:31 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I remember the storm system in early January that slammed the west coast with 150+ mph winds and when it got to the plains it had that huge tornado out break in Missouri and the tennessee valley. I wanna know when that part of the cycle is coming. cuz I'm waiting patiently.
May 6, 2008 12:35 PM
 

nastyweather said:

I figure every new model run will have a different solution.  I'll just wait until something shows up on the radar.  Not a fun time trying to forecast this.
May 6, 2008 12:39 PM
 

adogg said:

So, the new update suggests that we are not out of the woods for severe weather this storm. What is the timeline for the severe weather, if there is any, to arrive?
May 6, 2008 12:52 PM
 

weather » Blog Archive » Is it going to rain or not? said:

May 6, 2008 12:52 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

So far I have .55 inches of rain out of these little showers. We were suppose to have our last soccer game for our oldest tonight...not sure that is gonna happen now. I plan on planting flower pots this weekend...I am hoping it is not a mistake with all this cool air still lurking around. Are we gonna be sitting by a campfire with coats on for Memorial Day or grilling with bathing suits on??? LOLOL!!!! Ughhh....that thought just depresses me. :o(
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
May 6, 2008 1:03 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Well, yesterday I signed the papers to sell my house AND I signed papers to buy another one in western Shawnee. I will so miss Lenexa, but you do what you gotta do. So on June 2nd I sign closings on everything and still have to have the movers come  the same day so I can hand over my keys and get the ones to the new house. Yeesh, anyone wanna help me pack?
On that note, there is absolutely no way we can have rain that day. I refuse to allow it and no one is allowed to say there's a chance. This house deal is also messing up my chance to chase every time Sean calls even though he understands what is going on. I told him I need to chase just to relieve the stress of all this !
May 6, 2008 1:06 PM
 

Kimberly said:

I just got my weather radio at Price Chopper and got it programmed for Johnson County only.  Do you recommend just my county, or would it best to do surrounding counties as well? And which counties surrounding would be most likely to have a storm first that would then move into Johnson County (KS).
May 6, 2008 1:07 PM
 

Stilwell said:

Kimberly, I am in JOCO (South) I loaded Miami, Douglass (relatives in Lawrence), Wyandotte and Leavenworth in mine.
May 6, 2008 1:11 PM
 

simplykristi said:

You sold your house, Jeri?  Glad you found a house in western Shawnee.  I may just have to wait next year to chase.  Too much going on right now.

Kristi
May 6, 2008 1:16 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I would do whatever counties are to your south, SW, west, NW, and north.

Kristi
May 6, 2008 1:17 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Kimberly,
I did the surrounding counties too just to know what I was dealing with.  That and I have family in other counties.
May 6, 2008 1:20 PM
 

HummerSeeker said:

On those weather radios - we've had ours about two years -- it's great for warning.  BUT, we live in Johnson MO and programmed it also for Cass, Clinton and I think Jackson.  We selected the sorts of things we wanted to be warned about.  The problem though is with a system like came through last week, it goes off pretty much non-stop.  Turn it off, and it goes off again.  So I think I'll reprogram for just our county.  Or maybe just for tornados rather than ice, wind and all the other.  Does anyone else have that problem - that it goes off over and over?  Usually, we sort of know if something's predicted that we need to watch out for.  But they are loud enough to wake up my husband, and I have to practically push him on the floor to get him up!
May 6, 2008 1:20 PM
 

wthrworrywart said:

Hi everyone,
I learn so much from this blog and its great cause since moving to Missouri (due to Military) I am scared of thunderstorms and terrified when we have severe weather. So appreciate all of your contributions and knowledge.
Can someone please explain what this means:
MCS (mesoscale convective system)

thank you in advance,
Jamie
May 6, 2008 1:24 PM
 

Kimberly said:

I was afraid of it going off too much as well. That is why I did just JO for now.  Those who have surrounding counties programmed to, did you notice last Thursday that it was just constantly going off?
May 6, 2008 1:30 PM
 

LSGolfer said:



Jamie,

Here is a Wikipedia discussion of MCS.

A mesoscale convective system (MCS) is a complex of thunderstorms which becomes organized on a scale larger than the individual thunderstorms, and normally persists for several hours or more. Mesoscale convective systems may be round or linear in shape, and include systems such as tropical cyclones, squall lines, and Mesoscale Convective Complexes (MCCs), among others, and form near weather fronts. They have been noted across North America and Europe, with a maximum in activity during the late afternoon and evening hours during the warm season (i.e. late spring and summer) on both continents. Mesoscale convective systems over the Plains of the United States bring the region about half of their annual warm season rainfall.

Here's the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoscale_Convective_System

May 6, 2008 1:34 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I have never programmed mine for specific counties so I get warnings for distant counties.  You really need to do the counties directly around you because the weather comes in from those counties and it will hive you time to prepare.

Kristi
May 6, 2008 1:37 PM
 

nastyweather said:

Is it ever going to warm up into say, hold your breath, the 90's anytime soon?  My little one has swimming lessons in less than a month and I'm wondering if I need to look for a dry suit to keep him warm.  
May 6, 2008 1:43 PM
 

smmikeman said:

does Saturday's 30% chance look like morning/ afternoon/ or evening?
May 6, 2008 1:45 PM
 

bewild79 said:

I didn't have the problem of it going off too much.  It would only go off when there was a warning and as the complex grew and they issued new warnings for the counties that I had selected, it would go off.  That does not bother me though because I like to know what is coming at me!
May 6, 2008 1:45 PM
 

nastyweather said:

For all of you worried about having the proper counties programmed into your weather alert station, I said screw it and went with the e-mail alerts from the station: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/alertregistration/default.aspx  You can choose 5 counties and a what alerts you want to receive.  I just plugged in my cell phone text info and it worked perfectly, save almost a minute delay from the actually warning being issued.

I figure I'm not at home half the time anyway, so getting the text alerts on my cell phone is a safer option.
May 6, 2008 1:55 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

As far as i know every MCS I've ever been in has developed over night and rumbled through early morning. i've never known them to develop during the day.
May 6, 2008 2:00 PM
 

Scott said:

SPC-

"CONVECTION IS LIKELY TO GROW UPSCALE INTO AN ORGANIZED MCS
  DURING THE EVENING AND POSE AN ENHANCED THREAT OF DAMAGING WINDS
  ACROSS SOUTHEAST NEB INTO EASTERN/CENTRAL KS.
"
May 6, 2008 2:00 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

COOOOOLL!
May 6, 2008 2:03 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

well..before anyone jumps on me for that I hope that nobody has any serious damage from the storms. or any at all. i just want a LOUD Frickin storm!
May 6, 2008 2:04 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Jonathan,
I like the lightning and thunder.  I admit that. :)

Kristi
May 6, 2008 2:23 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

happy your aboard my ship Kristi!
May 6, 2008 2:25 PM
 

mmancubfan said:

Been making sales calls in Kearney/Grand Island Nebraska areas today on I-80......came up from Kansas City EARLY this AM.

Am in Grand Island at a wireless truckstop waiting to make my last 3:00 and 4:00 sales calls of the day and am thinking of hanging around for the fireworks before jetting back east to stay in Lincoln tonight...

Looks like the NWS has me right in the bullseye right now......

Lots of development north of here on the Nebraska northern border, been watching it grow to my left the whole day......

Wish me luck!!
May 6, 2008 2:31 PM
 

bewild79 said:

So what exactly is the chances for tornados?
May 6, 2008 2:41 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

We had a shower earlier this morning at around 11:00 AM....I am hoping it will not rain too much, as we need a bit of a drying period, but I do want some rain...The 7-day is looking good with the warmer weather!!!


Alex from Marceline
May 6, 2008 2:54 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

What is an MCS?
May 6, 2008 2:58 PM
 

Bryan said:

bewild79- tornado chance is less then 2%.

Patsox- mcs-mesoscale convective system
May 6, 2008 3:03 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I think that the storms are going to split...  The one from NE will go to our north.  We will miss out on tomorrow and tomorrow night's event....  The heavy rains and and any severe weather will stay south of the metro.  There will be no tornadoes in our egion.  If we get any severe weather, it will be marginal (hail and wind).  In other words, don't lose any sleep. :)

Kristi
May 6, 2008 3:06 PM
 

LSGolfer said:

PatsSoxCelts...
See my earlier post above that describes a MCS
Jason
May 6, 2008 3:07 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Gee, I just dropped from 72 to 68. I guess it's better than 40 but I think, the warmer the better.
May 6, 2008 3:15 PM
 

GaryB said:

The main weather page on KSHB looks great.  FINALLY!
May 6, 2008 3:27 PM
 

angvic00 said:

It's getting more cloudy and windy here in NW Olathe.  There is certainly  a change going on...
May 6, 2008 3:28 PM
 

jacob said:

The weather page looks the same.  The only thing different is the 7-day!

----------------

Jacob,

Yes, the weather page will be upgraded sometime this month.

Gary

May 6, 2008 3:34 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

I think its going to rain hard tonight.
May 6, 2008 3:37 PM
 

nastyweather said:

Looking at the regional radar there are some nice supercells developing out in Western Kansas and Nebraska already under Severe Warnings.
May 6, 2008 3:40 PM
 

Scott said:

Kristi, you crack me up.  Is that your gut feeling again?
May 6, 2008 3:44 PM
 

bewild79 said:

thank you everyone!!
May 6, 2008 3:52 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Yeah and what I am seeing posted on NWS.  Yeah I know it is not scientific. LOL  It is just my feeling. :)

Kristi
May 6, 2008 4:11 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

hey Kristi... don't let em tease ya bout those gut feelings...
That's what women are best at.. LOL

May 6, 2008 4:36 PM
 

LSGolfer said:

WOW.  Northwestern Iowa just got nailed by a bow echo like the one that came through early Friday morning.  From the looks of it on radar, the storms that are popping up in Western Kansas are going to track North of KC.
May 6, 2008 4:48 PM
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