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Tuesday, May 13th morning update

Good morning bloggers,

There is a slight risk of severe thunderstorms later today, but right now there are some limiting factors that must be overcome for us to have a thunderstorm.  A capping layer, 8,000 to 10,000 feet above us will prevent thunderstorms from forming most of the day.  By the end of the day this capping layer will erode, but there are other questions.  

  • #1:  A low cloud deck will form and become quite extensive, will this prevent heating?
  • #2:  How high will the dewpoints get later this afternoon?
  • #3:  Where will the front line up around 7 PM this evening?
  • #4:  When will the cap erode away?
  • #5:  There is no strong wave to organize any convective activity, so what will trigger the thunderstorms?

Let's address the cap first. Thunderstorms rapidly developed along the leading edge of the cap around 7 AM this morning and are tracking east of I-35, northwest of Chillicothe and northeast of Cameron, moving away early this morning.  Below you can see the 700 mb forecast map for 10 AM this morning.  A capping layer (around 10,000 feet above us) is moving across Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas this morning.  A cap is a warm layer of air, that is warmer than the air below it, which prevents thunderstorm development, until it breaks.  How does it break?  There are two main ways.  One way is when that layer is forced to cool, which is likely going to happen later this afternoon as temperatures aloft drop a few degrees.  And, another way is when it heats up enough to allow the warmer air below to rise and break through the cap, this is how you can go from nothing to intense thunderstorms in a very short period of time.  Through most of the day, heating will be limited by a thick low cloud deck which is developing right now. So, we will have to rely on the cooler air aloft to move in, which is still questionable.  The cap can be seen below by looking at the 700 mb level and finding the 10 degree isotherm:

The surface map, below, shows 66 degree dewpoints crossing the Red River on the Oklahoma/Texas border.  This Gulf of Mexico air is surging our way.  So, moisture will likely be available for thunderstorms later this afternoon, but what will trigger them?  The cold front is heading our way. This wind shift line will be the main trigger today, and should be near Kansas City by 7 PM.  There is really not a big upper level storm, only weak disturbances moving up in southwest flow. The main upper low is developing well back over the southwestern United States.  So, this cold front will be the main triggering mechanism. 

 

The Storm Prediction Center still has us in a slight risk, with a moderate risk from where the tornadoes hit over the weekend and extending to the southwest across Oklahoma into northern Texas.  We will continue monitoring our risk as we move through the day, but at this moment it appears the best chance of any signficant thunderstorm activity will be south of our local region, and to the northeast of Kansas City this morning as the cap hasn't built into that area yet.

Have a great day.  We will update the blog later.  Brett Anthony will keep you updated on NBC Action News through the morning, and with the new data on our Mid-Day newscast at 11 AM.

Gary

 

 

Published Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:09 AM by glezak

Comments

 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Interesting, Couldn't sleep much, the SPC saids they will upgrade to Moderate Risk in OK,South Mo,etc. I'm getting excited, we will meet Sean at 8am today!

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Andrew,

Good luck.  I will be talking to you guys on your way. Today is a tricky day.

Gary

May 13, 2008 6:45 AM
 

Suej said:

I don't comment much, because what I know about weather will fit into the head of a pin with lots of room left over, but it's informative, learning sessions like this one that keeps me looking every day.

Thank you, Gary and Weather Team, for helping me to understand a little better about a force in nature that no one can control.

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We are glad that you are participating.  And, even if you know almost nothing about these forcing mechanisms, you are always welcome to ask any questions at all. 

Have a great day!

Gary

May 13, 2008 6:52 AM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Stay safe Andrew
May 13, 2008 7:16 AM
 

spotter said:

gary and team i just notice the spc has put se kansas southwest mo eastern okla eastern ark north texas they are going to put them in a mod risk area i agree with you looks like the main show will be south again.
May 13, 2008 7:19 AM
 

davidmcg said:

Gary I have a curiosity question for you.  Despite all of your high tech gear, do you still find time to just go up to a high spot, like Quality Hill and watch storms forming out to the west and southwest?  The view from up there is amazing.  When I lived in kc that was a place I would go occasionally.  With a good pair of binoculars you can see well past Olathe and nearly to Lawrence.  Watching the clouds change in real time is something to see especially when you can start to see shear and small scale vortices from the rising heat.

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If there is really bad weather, then I am at KSHB.  But, for regular thunderstorms I have a great weather view from my house, as I am high up with a south through west view.

Gary

May 13, 2008 7:20 AM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

Heading to Gore Oklahoma with members if my chase team.

Leaving at 10, should be fun.
May 13, 2008 7:36 AM
 

jlrshar said:

Thanks for that Awesome explanation of caps! I could totally visualize what you're talking about.
Jennifer
May 13, 2008 8:13 AM
 

Jennifer and Kelsey said:

Hey Gary and Team...I've been chasing these things and part of your blog for years and have really worked hard at trying to teach my children about the science of weather in order to alleviate their fears.  The information you provided today is phenomenal!  I just copied the link and sent it in an email to my daughter so she can have it.  Your explanation of caps and the ingredients necessary to cause a break was in plain English so even a novice can understand it.  

Thank you for helping me teach my children how to be respectful of the weather and treat it like a science rather than this scarey ambiguous thing
May 13, 2008 8:48 AM
 

auroramama said:

This has nothing to do with the weather today (even though I am avidly keeping an eye out) but HailJonathon---I checked the last post and didn't know if anyone would be checking back on it, my son is autistic so it's neat for me to hear what you were saying about your aspergers.  He doesn't speak verbally but is the coolest kid ever and I wouldn't change him in a million years! :)
May 13, 2008 8:53 AM
 

ScottLinOP said:

Thanks for the good explanation of a cap and how it breaks.

Scott L.
May 13, 2008 9:24 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Man, I guess no one is thinking that severe weather will be here today.  I haven't seen this much space between comments in a while.  Usually everyone is saying what they think.  Lol. :)
May 13, 2008 9:40 AM
 

grumpyred said:

Can anyone recommend a good weather book that gives details about all the stuff you mention?  
May 13, 2008 9:41 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Wild,
The greatest threat of severe weather will be to our south.  I had thought that yesterday.  That had been my feeling all along.

auroramama,
I have a friend whose son had autism and was non-verbal.  His son passed away from respiratory distress in Nov. 2006. :(  The greatest thing that brought a smile to my friend's face was when his son made the honor roll in high school. :)  His dad was sooo proud of him.  It was a culmination of hard-fought battle to get his son the services he needed in public school.

Lorie,
Stay safe today!  I will be back later.

Kristi
May 13, 2008 9:53 AM
 

bewild79 said:

I feel sorry for those people to the south :(
May 13, 2008 9:55 AM
 

NicoleWasHere said:

I hope there isn't severe weather, today.  This forecast is tricky but it makes the most sense from anything else I've watched, cause like I was watching the Weather Channel earlier, and they think we're just gonna get showers, but have us in a moderate risk for severe weather.

That must be one hell of a rain shower, they're predicting.
May 13, 2008 9:56 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

This is going to be a hurry up and wait situation.  Moisture is streaming in, but how will instablity form?

Looking at the WV, it looks like our clean shot will be about 4PM [on time].  But what will happen?

Such an iffy storm...

- Scott
May 13, 2008 9:56 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

grumpyred,

This is a good online resource to get started...

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/

-Scott
May 13, 2008 9:57 AM
 

bewild79 said:

I like to watch about severe weather on TV but don't want it in my backyard!
May 13, 2008 10:00 AM
 

beckysma said:

My question is, the cap you have drawn in the 1st picture corresponds closely with the same are that is under the moderate risk.

How is that possible?
May 13, 2008 10:01 AM
 

VdoManZ said:

here comes the sun..... It's Sunny in SE KC.
May 13, 2008 10:08 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

beckysma,

The warm moist air is funneling in under the advection...this is the fuel for surface based convection.

Like a pressure cooker, you want a cap for a bit to build that instability to a point that it breaks the cap with more oomph [that is if you are looking for rapid development], otherwise, without any type of capping, the warm air rises quickly without as much oomph and you end up with more pulse type or regular type thunderstorms...

-Scott
May 13, 2008 10:15 AM
 

bewild79 said:

that was a good explanation...
May 13, 2008 10:17 AM
 

twister11 said:

tornado on the ground in shelby county, 10 miles east of where I used to live.
May 13, 2008 10:18 AM
 

bewild79 said:

where is shelby county?
May 13, 2008 10:21 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

North of Columbia, MO
May 13, 2008 10:29 AM
 

twister11 said:

It is in eastern Missouri
May 13, 2008 10:29 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Again . let's remember the chat line on Scott's blog. The long posting time here is not always conducive to getting info out in a timely fashion.
May 13, 2008 10:31 AM
 

bewild79 said:

ty
May 13, 2008 10:31 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Does anyone know if Rolla is in the chance for tornados today?  My hubby is working down there.
May 13, 2008 10:32 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

May 13, 2008 10:32 AM
 

davidmcg said:

OK Gary here comes your dewpoint surge.  Quite a few home weather stations down in Osawatomie are reporting dewpoints of 59 and 60.  Where's the cold front?  Just west of Topeka and trailing to the sw I think isn't it?
May 13, 2008 10:38 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I have a problem and I am hoping someone can answer this for me. I have a squirrel problem around my house.....I have more than I care for, problably a hundred and that is not a joke. They keep digging up my flowers in my pots. Is their something I can do or place to keep them from doing this. It is really starting to tick me off....this is the 2nd morning now that I have gone out and found my dirt all over my porch and my flowers dug up. I have wind chimes and they are so use to them that it does not even faze em. Maybe their is a scent from some kind of herb that will deter them from doing this...I just do not know. HELP???
Monica
May 13, 2008 10:42 AM
 

davidmcg said:

I checked the NWS storm reports page and they have no mention of that tornado, but at the same time they have an icon on the page for it.  Thats nice.
May 13, 2008 10:43 AM
 

NE LS said:

The clouds are thinning with several patches of blue sky in Greenwood.
May 13, 2008 10:43 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Monica, we have dogs so we never get the vermin in the yard. Hopefully someone knows what to do.

On another note, while we are getting cool weather, San Francisco is actually under a heat advisory, It is supposed to hit mid 80's coastally to mid 90's inland, and could get up to 103 by Wednesday. Anyone who is familiar with that area knows this is rare for them. Even in the summer you need a sweater or jacket near the ocean because of the breeze and cool temps.
May 13, 2008 10:48 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Looks like the Carolinas are getting hit.
May 13, 2008 10:50 AM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Scott ~ thanks for the link. I'll check it out in the near future.
Kristi ~ thanks. I'm still hoping that nothing major pop's up for any one.
I'll be checking in here all day and probably will be glued to this blog and a few websites this afternoon. I love having a laptop with DSL and being able to open 3-4 websites as once.
May 13, 2008 10:52 AM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Very weird weather Jeri.

Monica, we have dogs in the yard as well. They love to chase squirrels so they're not a problem. Now moles ~ that's a big problem. The dogs are digging up my backyard trying to get at the moles and the moles are tearing up my beautiful front yard. :-{

BTW, it's 70 degrees here, cloudy, very breezey. Looks like something wants to roll in but hopefully the cloud cover will keep everything at bay.
May 13, 2008 10:57 AM
 

5kckmartins said:

lol Lorie.. You sound like me now.  When its stormy, I usually have the blog, wunderground and noaa sites up.. and now since scott added the chat thing, I'll have his blog open as well.

May 13, 2008 10:58 AM
 

5kckmartins said:

Monica,
Have u checked with a local CO-OP?  I don't know if there's one in Pleasanton, but I do remember there was one in Mound City.   My family used to have a lot in Lake Chaparral, and we'd stop in the co op quite often.

Stacy
May 13, 2008 11:01 AM
 

twister11 said:

sometimes this doesnt make sense to me. In northeast missouri, they have lower dewpoints, cloud cover, temps in the 60s, and they get a tornado. I just dont understand all of the talk about we have to get very unstable for tornadoes. I think this example goes to show we can never down play a possibility for a tornado, it is always there.
May 13, 2008 11:04 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

ok I plan on going back to bed as I'm still very disappointed in the Day ZERO outlook... Aurora thank you for that comment it is appreciated. Kristi it was a great conversation last night. and i'm still standing by last nights HailJonathan forecast that KC metro Doesn't even get a watch today. or this evening for that matter. man I'm pissed.
May 13, 2008 11:05 AM
 

Kelli said:

Monica, when you figure it out, let me know!  Ours have gotten so brave as to pick the buds off my rose bushes, then hop up on the window sill outside and sit there and eat it while I sit in the recliner NEXT to the window....it is like they are mocking me.
I have tried just about everything that everyone has ever told me...someone said human hair, made my hubby save the hair he shaved off his head, that did not work.  Planting marigolds helped for a while, someone said they didn't like the smell.  The best luck I have had was sprinkling (with me it was more like pouring) cayanne pepper on and around my plants...but everytime it rains or is really, really windy you have to replace it.


Clouds and getting warmer here in Southeast Lee's Summit
May 13, 2008 11:07 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Twister, remember March 12th, a couple of years ago? No one had said anything about severe weather or tornadoes. Suddenly I'm doing patient care in the morning and the TV set has rotation over the KS Speedway. We were evacuating before the hospital operator ever announced it. We did it twice that day and had to move all our vent patients out of ICU into the Recovery Room where there were no windows.
May 13, 2008 11:07 AM
 

RDub said:

Has there really been a tornado up in NE missouri? all i am seeing is hail and wind reports, and a svr t'storm warning....
May 13, 2008 11:09 AM
 

Mammatus said:

Seems like the low level cloud deck is thinning in some spots. The RUC is also showing scattered convection around 2100-2300Z. Looks like the RUC is tending to break the cap a bit earlier with 65 degree dewpoints nosing right up to MKC. Is the RUC fairly accurate at this time of the day or is it just a guessing game to see if storms fire around here?
May 13, 2008 11:15 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

twister didn't see you there also thank you for the convo last night as well. Going back to bed as I've analyzed(man I can never remember how to spell that freakin word) as many satellites as I can and they all look cloudy so. I'm issuing a Bust watch for the entire area....based on pure frustration.
May 13, 2008 11:16 AM
 

twister11 said:

yes it was on the news, and my aunt told me she lives in moberly and heard reports of a touchdown. It was also on CNN, and I was reading the tornado warning from NOAA and they said trained weather spotters spotted a tornado, I am guessing it was very brief.
May 13, 2008 11:16 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

we were talkin about March 12,06 last night...I had the craziest experience of my life in Lawrence KS that day.
May 13, 2008 11:17 AM
 

twister11 said:

Jeri I will never forget that day, I went through 3 tornado warnings and there was a killer tornado just a few miles from our house. It was the most active severe weather day I have been through in a long time.
May 13, 2008 11:18 AM
 

nastyweather said:

Well the dewpoints are really starting to rise on the surface map, Chanute has hit the magical 60 degree dewpoint and Olathe is at 54.  That's a 10 degree jump from Gray's map at 6am.  Will be watching to see if it continues to rise.  Of course this is just one piece of the puzzle.
May 13, 2008 11:19 AM
 

FairWeather007 said:

Monica,

I'd suggest a product called Rodetrol... I use it for the ground squirrels that I occasionally have problems with. Don't know why it wouldn't work for the squirrels, too. Just keep it away from your dogs/cats, if you have any.

Also, a good tom cat can be a wonderful addition to any neighborhood. :) My neighbor has one... our squirrel/ground squirrel and even rabbit problem is kept to a minimum with him around.

--Liberty
May 13, 2008 11:23 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

It's cloudy guys... and the visible is socked us in with these clouds all day...It's a bust...I feel it. Like Gary said...we have no distuburbances coming in to ignite thunderstorms we are relying purely on HEAT. but it's CLOUDY...and the front is weak. and dewpoints are still marginal at best. I hope I'm jinxing the whole thing and it just erupts this afternoon but I don't see it happening.
May 13, 2008 11:25 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

So I agree with ya Twister, there was no watch March 12th. It caught everyone off guard until it started happening. I really think no matter what, things can come together fast just like that day. You always have to stay aware.
May 13, 2008 11:26 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

It's cloudy guys... and the visible is socked us in with these clouds all day...It's a bust...I feel it. Like Gary said...we have no distuburbances coming in to ignite thunderstorms we are relying purely on HEAT. but it's CLOUDY...and the front is weak. and dewpoints are still marginal at best. I hope I'm jinxing the whole thing and it just erupts this afternoon but I don't see it happening.
May 13, 2008 11:27 AM
 

twister11 said:

I rarely see the NWS reduce chances for tornado, hail, etc. before the event has even started. Wonder if they are thinking this front is too weak.
May 13, 2008 11:30 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

In the morning of march 12, 2006 we had a Severe TStorm Watch. with thunderstorms that created the Microburst in Lawrence....later that afternoon 2 PM we were put under a PDS Tornado watch that Encompassed a HUGE portion of Kansas and almost all of missouri. the probabilities on that were chance of 2 or more tornadoes 95 percent or greater and chance of F2-F5 tornadoes 70 percent..you can go to weather.gov in the severe weather section and pulll that watch up in the archives....there were watches in place a few hours before the event happened..
May 13, 2008 11:35 AM
 

bewild79 said:

ok so, what is the dp # that it would have to be for severe weather to happen here in kc?  We have gone up from 50 to 53 in like 30-45 min.  Is that significant or am I just wierd?
May 13, 2008 11:35 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

twister look what I wrote...Trust me...
May 13, 2008 11:36 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

here is a page with ALL of the watches issued on March 12, 2006

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin-spc/getww.pl
May 13, 2008 11:38 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

bewild...I don't think the dewpoint matters today..but it would help if the dewpoint was at least 65....the problem is is that we're not going to heat up enough because we're going to be in clouds all day...and without an upper disturbance to kick off anything HEAT is all we have.
May 13, 2008 11:40 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Thanks for the suggestions. I will head to Mound City and see if they have some Rodetrol. I do have a dog but she is an inside dog and is leashed out back to do her business...so she would stay out of it. I do worry about my girls though...may have to see what the product looks like. They have left my marigolds alone...I will also sprinkle the cayanne pepper around the ones they keep digging up. I am desperate and will try anything really. They are brave little guys...no fear trust me. LOL!! I am waiting for one to pounce on me one of these days.  :o)
Monica
May 13, 2008 11:42 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

okay the watch thing didn't work never mind it..but look up archived watches in the spc section. and you'll see all the watches on march 12, 2006
May 13, 2008 11:42 AM
 

bewild79 said:

O I C!  Thank you.  So if the sun comes out and we get to like 75-80 then here comes bad weather?
May 13, 2008 11:45 AM
 

twister11 said:

does anybody know where andrew and sean's target point is for the chase?
May 13, 2008 11:45 AM
 

subby64735 said:

MOMAOFTHREEGIRLS:

I had a terrible problem with squirrels in flowerbeds and also EATING the wood on my porch.  I bought a container of Caynene pepper (or habanero) and poured it around the problem areas.  POOF! no more problems.  PS dont forget to wash your hands!!  I learned the hard way!  Jim in Clinton.
May 13, 2008 11:48 AM
 

Mammatus said:

HailJonathan, The clouds are starting to break up pretty nicely? http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satellite/displaySat.php?region=ICT&itype=vis
May 13, 2008 11:49 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

EXACTLY BEWILD! okay I think I figured this out. here is a link of the pds tornado watch issued at approx 2 PM on March 12, 2006.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/2006/ww0073_radar_init.gif
May 13, 2008 11:50 AM
 

nastyweather said:

It was my understand that nothing was going to happen around KC and the main action would be south of here.  Brett did mention this morning, correct me if I'm wrong, that if the KC dewpoint went over 60 degrees we might get some storms to fire up later on.  However, it doesn't appear we have all the other ingredients for storms to develop in the KC area.
May 13, 2008 11:50 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

EXACTLY BEWILD! okay I think I figured this out. here is a link of the pds tornado watch issued at approx 2 PM on March 12, 2006.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/2006/ww0073_radar_init.gif
May 13, 2008 11:50 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Sorry I am still learning. :)
May 13, 2008 11:53 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/2006/ww0073.html this shows the probabilities and stuff much better. No prob bewild...
May 13, 2008 11:56 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

nastyweather. It would be nice if we had dewpoints in the mid 60s but I don't know if that would help our situation because we(as it looks at this time) are not going to heat up enough to get thunderstorms because the Upper level low is lagging way behind the surface low and front so there is no disturbance to help trigger any storms. STRICTLY HEAT....know what I mean?
May 13, 2008 11:58 AM
 

Carlos3652 said:

FYI - long time reader, but my first post.... I think by 5pm we will start having some activity, it looks like temps will be in the 70's w/dew points in the 60's, cloud cover should break enough early afternoon to allow for some heating, so we will get some storms, but the main event will probably be in E OK...
May 13, 2008 12:01 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I don't know Carlos the visible satellite imagery is FULL of clouds. and with a cap in place you need HOURS of sunshine to efficiently break a cap.. I'm just not confident.
May 13, 2008 12:05 PM
 

macnkc said:

Don't know about squirrels, but moles  I do. After trying everything as humane as possible, I gave in and used a mole trap for the first time this year.  It sounds cruel, but you don't see them , the trap gets them underground.  It worked and no more moles.   The main tunnels are usually next to driveways, walls, etc. , is where they will travel most frequently.   Before you  criticize me, I love animals, and I did not enjoy this, but they are very destructive animals.  Good luck.
May 13, 2008 12:10 PM
 

jacob said:

Clouds are continuing to build, so I am saying there will be no severe weather here in Kansas City.  The SPC even reduced the tornado threat, and plus we are just on the north edge of the slight risk.  Dew points are in the low 50's and temps are in the mid 60's.  The sun just will not come out long enough to heat the atmosphere.  So again, we might have an isolated storm later today, but no outbreak of any kind.

Have a great day.

Jacob
May 13, 2008 12:13 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

Sunny and 73 in Tonganoxie.  Humidity only 64% though.  I just don't feel a stormy day coming on.
May 13, 2008 12:15 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

okay well....NOW I'm going back to bed..
May 13, 2008 12:18 PM
 

nastyweather said:

HJ I see what you're saying about the heating, because it's plain to see form the satellite loop that we're going to be under clouds today, so we won't have the sun to warm things up.

For anyone who's interested I found this website linked from somewhere that actually explains the soundings as well as having the latest ones available.  I'm not a meteorologist so I like having the "Help" sections on these things.  I first saw a Skew-T diagram and it looked like something my son drew with crayons.

Soundings: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/soundings/
Help section: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/soundings/help/index.html
May 13, 2008 12:19 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Based on RUC sounding progs, the caps begins weakening around 18z, with a bigger weakening trend from 18-19z onward.  

The RUC is underdoing the temps a bit, but marginally, and the surface obs don't show a great windshift line down the whole frontal boundary.

The RUC brings the front through about 21Z...a bit quicker than was expected.

There is some weak 500mb vorticity progged in S. Central KS with the surface low forming off of it in SE KS.  It is probably near that point that the best forcing will occur other than fronto...

Much keep an eye on the sats/radar..but not overly excited..
May 13, 2008 12:19 PM
 

beckysma said:

Monica, what about mothballs?

I used them to prevent a dog who liked to poop and dig in my garden, and it seemed to work until they lost their smell (which takes a while!)
May 13, 2008 12:33 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Maybe I can see storms forming along the edge of the dry area as seen on WV

http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_wv_us_loop.html
May 13, 2008 12:34 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Beckysma...mothballs huh?? I will give that a try if the other things do not work. I will pass that on to my gardening friends though...good idea. Thanks!
May 13, 2008 12:38 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well since I am off today I should have known that we were not going to get anything up here today... sigh, a cloudy calm day in St. Joe, Brett said after Thursday a dry spell maybe to the end of the month?!?
Not wanting anyone to get hurt in Severe weather and flooding but am ready for the period where there is a decent shot of a good "thunderboomer" every other day or so, tis the time of year for that.

-------------------------

Nick,

I don't quite agree with Brett.  I think the last week of the month into early June is very wet looking, based on the LRC.

Gary

May 13, 2008 12:44 PM
 

NorthlandGirl said:

Mac, my dad did the same thing in my yard this year too.  :(  We are BOTH pet owners and animal lovers, but last summer and so far this spring the moles were digging up plants I had spent alot of $$ on, not to mention my lawn.  The mothballs only seemed to move them from one part of the yard to another and I have 1/4 acre for them to roam in.  

To the "ma's" out there :), I wish you luck!  If you use the mothballs, make sure they are no where near your foundation as that scent seeps through somehow and you never seem to get rid of it.  And make sure you talk with your neighbors as you might just scare the critters into their yard.  
May 13, 2008 12:48 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Yeah, we might use traps again this year for the moles. I'm a huge animal lover too but .... when you mess with my yard.  We hired a company last year to get rid of our moles. They did a good job (used traps as well) but now we've got the moles from neighbors yard. I also read about putting a stick of 'juicy fruit gum' in a mole hole being careful not to touch the gum with your hands.
May 13, 2008 1:03 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

5kckmartins ~ I have the same websites open when there is a storm brewing. Sometimes I add the storm spotters networks.
May 13, 2008 1:05 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Anybody know where Sean and Andrew are headed today?

Sean camped out here on Sat. and he was unfortunately correct for seeing some action. The storm track website (storm chasers) are heading to middle of OK for an afternoon chase. I wonder if we're going to have a bunch of different twisters in different areas.

I hope not. My sister emailed me an alert that the timing for hazardous weather was at 3. She works at a school where they lost one child in Sat. storm.

----------------------

Sean and Andrew are heading towards southern Oklahoma.  This seems to be the most likely spot for a supercell today. 

Gary

May 13, 2008 1:09 PM
 

JHAWK23 said:

MONICA-

After you try of few of the suggestions and if they don't work for you.....My brother runs a wildlife nuuisance control buisness.....called Great Plains Wildlife(913-393-4797)........ he may have some different options for you.....Hope this helps
May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
 

Carlos3652 said:

I dont know, Im looking at the satellite imagery and the cloud cover looks like its thinning out to the SW and its not as thick, like I said, i dont think we will have a major out break, but I think its safe to say that we will get some storms later this evening...
May 13, 2008 1:23 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Thanks Gary. I hope EVERYONE is safe.
May 13, 2008 1:28 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

71/61 in Emporia.
May 13, 2008 1:36 PM
 

Carlos3652 said:

70/59 in So. JoCo (Olathe/Overland park)
May 13, 2008 1:40 PM
 

bewild79 said:

72/58 kci
May 13, 2008 1:47 PM
 

Mammatus said:

I would bet something pops up in the next 2 hours around Emporia and south of there. The cap is weakening there and starting ot see towering cumulus clouds lining up along the front.
May 13, 2008 1:51 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Agreed Mammatus...safe bet.
May 13, 2008 1:57 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

72/60 Lenexa
May 13, 2008 2:02 PM
 

bewild79 said:

wow I see NOTHING on the radar.
May 13, 2008 2:04 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

73 with 68% humidity in tongie.  Sun coming out now and then getting sticky
May 13, 2008 2:05 PM
 

twister11 said:

cloud cover is not going to bust it all folks. Shelbina was most cloudy this morning, with a dew point in the mid 40's and temp in the 60s, and they experienced a tornado in their area.
May 13, 2008 2:06 PM
 

twister11 said:

Cass county already has dew point readings in the 60's..
May 13, 2008 2:07 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

twister..not seeing a storm report for that..where did you get your info?
May 13, 2008 2:11 PM
 

twister11 said:

This graphic I refer to often, as you can see has springfield at a dewpoint of 53 at 2. they have a dp of 57 as we speak. Looks like the underestimated the moisture. All I am saying is the potential is still there as Gary likes to say.


http://www.nws.noaa.gov/forecasts/graphical/sectors/centmissvly.php
May 13, 2008 2:12 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

My dew point is up to 61. At least it isn't cold out.
May 13, 2008 2:13 PM
 

twister11 said:

I was reading the information on the storm as it came in. When the warning was issued I went to read it and it said trained weather spotters have spotted a tornado, it was also on the news, and my family said something about it, since they are close to that general area. Even if may not have touched down like they said, there was still a tornado warning.
May 13, 2008 2:14 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Scott it was listed as a spotted tornado on the Wunderground site this am but didn't last long,
May 13, 2008 2:14 PM
 

bellgolf08 said:

in sedalia:
temp 71.9
dewpoint 56.3
pressure is falling.
remember on may 2 the first round of storms did not fire until after 4 and it only took them about an hour to get going.
anyone know where andrew ended up today?
May 13, 2008 2:14 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

twister/jeri, which WFO issued it?
May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
 

FairWeather007 said:

Monica,

Just a tip--I got Rodetrol at the hardware store... Probably Westlake, Ace, or True Value-type places would carry it. Rodetrol works by cutting off the little twerps ability to process water. It takes about 10 - 15 days to work, if memory serves.

I've heard that the Cayenne pepper and mothball things work, and seeing as I just got a new puppy, if the ground squirrels come back, I'll have to try these more non-toxic ways to rid myself of the problems!

-- Liberty
May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
 

Mammatus said:

My Prediction: We will see a Tornado watch issued 75 miles either side of a line from roughly Excelsior springs southwestward to the watch they just issued in Oklahoma. I would bet the Mesoscale siscussion will be out from the SPC within the hour. Thats my prediction and Im sticking to it.
May 13, 2008 2:22 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Gary,
would we be able to get an update from you on your thoughts of storms this afternoon? :)
May 13, 2008 2:23 PM
 

twister11 said:

wfo? explain lol
May 13, 2008 2:29 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

weather forecast office...which NWS site issued the tornado warning you mentioned?
May 13, 2008 2:32 PM
 

Barbara said:

Yard's mowed, plants are in the ground.  I wouldn't mind so much if it rained.  The severe stuff can stay away, though.
May 13, 2008 2:33 PM
 

davidmcg said:

In McLOuth KS it is 79.1 with a dewpoint of 63.0, barometer steady at 29.76 mostly cloudy with some breaks wind of 2.9 out of the wsw.
May 13, 2008 2:35 PM
 

bewild79 said:

72/60 kci
May 13, 2008 2:42 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

That was weird....I just had a 5 second shower with large rain drops. It was that fast.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
May 13, 2008 2:44 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Maybe that's why it was removed from the Wunderground map so fast. The ones in the Carolinas stayed listed. ALthough it did say someone had spotted a tornado, perhaps they merely saw a funnel with no touchdown.
May 13, 2008 2:47 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

73 degrees and 62 DP here. However my daughter will be alone with the big scaredy cat doggies tonight so it cannot be severe.
May 13, 2008 2:48 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

May 13, 2008 2:50 PM
 

bewild79 said:

it was sprinkling here but nothing on radar
May 13, 2008 2:50 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Jeri, even with a funnel, if the NWS had that info, likely would have issued a warning, even if a severe thunderstorm - or..the report was unconfirmed.

The reason I am curious is to see the conditions in which "it formed".
May 13, 2008 2:53 PM
 

Dwight said:

Looks like the cap may be falling apart.  Some thunderstorms are beginning to form near the center of the cap (as mapped by Gary) in SW Kansas and NW OK.
As it fills in to the west and moves NW it should hit KC this evening.
Bring it on!
May 13, 2008 2:54 PM
 

twister11 said:

it was issued out of st. louis I think
May 13, 2008 2:55 PM
 

twister11 said:

I think the dew points were in the mid 40's and the temp was maybe lower 60s.
May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Lorie in SW MO - MOLES!  Yes!  Last year, the dogs were barking and my husband actually went out and where they had started a hole whacked down and got the mole.  This year, no such luck.  We have HUGE holes in our yard!  The beagle smells it and digs like crazy, gets a big hole, then walks away -- the other two dogs have never dug a day in their life (5 and 7) but now they come behind and dig a bigger hole!  They dug way down to the foundation in two spots.  Once, my husband saw it scooting back down but couldn't get it.  The holes are pretty deep - deep enough that we can't see the beagle unless we're up on him!

Are you gonna try traps?  They won't hurt your dogs, even if they dig?  I'm pretty much at a loss.  We have so many hills everywhere that we can't just drown it out - don't know where he is.  It's about half an acre or so he's camping out in.  We have to fill in holes just to mow or the mower will crash!  Funny!

I'd try the juicy fruit, seems non-toxic to dogs, but they would just get it out!

If you have ideas, let me know!  THANK YOU.
May 13, 2008 2:59 PM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Oh,and by the way, my name "hummerseeker" is because I like HUMMINGBIRDS and SEEK them; nothing else.  My husband said it meant something obscene.  So if I offended anyone with that screen name, I am truly sorry.
May 13, 2008 3:00 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

When Twister mentioned it someone asked where Shelby Co was. I looked it up and found it on Weatherground. It had the tornado warning symbol just north of Columbia. But I'll be darned if I can find anything otehr than a hail report now.
Also just read a report that possible spotter activation may be needed from south of Olathe to Carrolton, MO but that cloud cover and lack of deep low level moisture will limit any severe weather here.
May 13, 2008 3:01 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Hummer, I actually though it was because you wanted a car LOL But now that you mention it, if you were male that would be pretty bad.
May 13, 2008 3:03 PM
 

twister11 said:

ya jeri that frustrated me they didnt even have the report listed, but the warning mentioned a trained weather spotter saw a tornado.
May 13, 2008 3:03 PM
 

bewild79 said:

lol hummer lol
May 13, 2008 3:07 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

NEW BLOG
May 13, 2008 3:15 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

We did have some drizzle earlier here in St. Joe, yea I wondered about that "dry" spell with this LRC and the time of year we are heading in.
May 13, 2008 4:12 PM
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