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The same pattern as summer approaches

Good morning bloggers,

It has finally warmed up, but it is still spring for a little more than one more month.  What will it be like this summer? We will go into the details in our special summer forecast tonight at 10 PM on NBC Action News.  We will have the forecast for July and August based on this year's LRC.

The weather pattern continues to cycle.  What is going on during the next 10 days may seem different to many as a blocking pattern is setting up.  But, it isn't.  I am strongly confident that we are still in the same pattern that set up last October into November.  It is cycling every 50 days or so, and if you go back into the pattern you can see it.  100 days ago (two cycles back into the pattern) lines up amazingly with what is "going" to happen in the next 10 days.  I say "going" because we already experienced this before in this pattern. The upper low dropping into the west, closing off, and then sitting out there waiting to get kicked out in about a week, already happened in February.  This is a great example to show how we are still in the same pattern. I left the maps at work today, but I will try to show you the exact comparison later today or in tomorrow's blog after I scan them in.

This pattern is starting to create some nightmares for weather forecasters.  Just look at the forecast for 11 AM this morning (it is amazing how it is dry with these kinds of surface features, but there is just no moisture available yet and we are capped):

Notice, above, the surface low on the KS/MO border south of Kansas City.  And, then there is another surface low in northeastern South Dakota.  This is a very strange set up, and it is being caused by the developing weather pattern as we will discuss below. But, today, this will allow us to warm up dramatically into the middle 80s.

Now, let's go into the developing and cycling weather pattern.  First of all, the map below is the surface forecast for Thursday morning.  This shows a stalled front located southwest of Kansas City.  Rain & T-Storms are possible northeast of the front, and we seem to be in the right position to see some of these thunderstorms.  If rain develops, then the temperature contrast may be from the 50s to lower 60s over northern Missouri, and near 100 over southwestern Kansas. Forecasting the high temperatures later this week will be, and is currently extremely difficult.  The high temperature Thursday will be in the 60s if it rains, but it could also be near 80 depending on how the surface sets up.

This surface set up is being created by a developing blocking pattern.  But, the block will not last long.  And, if you just look back to the middle of February this part of the pattern is directly related to what happened 100 days ago.  The upper low closed off over the southwestern Untited States and waited for the pattern to shift and eventually kick it out. The exact same thing is happening during the next 10 days.  How it affects the surface weather pattern will decide weather we have any significant rain, or whether the dry spell continues. 

The above map shows the block.  An upper low is forecast to drop all the way down into Southern California.  A ridge pokes up over us.  And, a deepening trough develops over the eastern Great Lakes.  This will force the front to line up just southwest of Kansas City.  And, then the map below shows how the upper low is just sitting over the southwest over the Memorial Day weekend.  Look at the dip in the blue line, just north of Minnesota.  This will drag a cold front our way and could lead to a wet end of the month. In fact, this is what I expect before this month is over, for a very good  chance of it getting wet and cool again.  And, the weather pattern cycling according to the LRC, will pick up the upper low as the mean "long term" long wave trough re-establishes itself before the end of the month as well.  This will lead to severe thunderstorm chances later in the month as well.  What should happen, is a big upper ridge will likely form over Canada by June 1st. This should lead to lower heights over the United States and a wet/stormy pattern in the first half of June.

 

Have a great start to your week.  We will get to your questions as time permits.  In the meantime check out Brett Anthony's blog.  It snowed somewhere last week and someone from the metro got stuck in it.  Plus, this weekend Brett's sand sculpting team took first place in a first of its kind competition for Kansas City.  Here's the link, http://community.nbcactionnews.com/blogs/brett_anthonys_blog/default.aspx

Gary

Published Monday, May 19, 2008 6:43 AM by glezak

Comments

 

5kckmartins said:

Good morning Gary  great blog as usual.  But I need to be more 'awake' to understand.

Have a wonderiffic day

Stacy.

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Stacy,

Good morning and it's time to wake up.  Let me know if you have any questions.

Gary

May 19, 2008 7:22 AM
 

irishrover said:

Gary,
Super Blog!  And I'm actually beginning to understand more of it. Thank you for being such a great teacher!!   Now, if I can just stay awake for the summer forcast at 10.. I'm hoping for cooler than normal but of course, I guess I'll take what we get!  

Mary

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Mary,

I will be awake at 10.  Try to keep the eyes open.  We will go into it tomorrow in the blog.

Gary

May 19, 2008 7:37 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Well, I am taking this to mean
a) I will be moving in the rain June 2nd and 3rd
b) my folks are going to hit bad weather driving out May 27th thru 29th.

Under no circumstances is it tobe cooler than normal LOL

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I will put your order in.

Gary

May 19, 2008 8:12 AM
 

5kckmartins said:

LOL Jeri.  

Hope its NOT raining and the weather is perfect for your move and u'r parents' visit.

question is will mother nature agree??? prob not but we can hope.
May 19, 2008 8:14 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Stacy,
We have some odd cable system at the hospital. We absolutely do have KSHB there, he just has to surf the channels to find it. I wouldn't work there if they didn't have Gary and Jeremy ! You'd think I would know the station it is on at work because sometimes I switch it over at dinnertime when they are watching someone else (after suggesting it first of course) LOL
Jeri
May 19, 2008 8:16 AM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

You mention this pattern being similar to that of 100 days ago (two of your cycles)...but what about 50 days ago (1 cycle) or 150 days (3 cycles) ago?  I think Scott mentioned a while ago that it seems dates are often chosen that have the best-looking match, while those that don't match are ignored and we're reminded that it isn't "perfect".  

Which dates correspond to a blocking pattern 1 cycle ago in early March or 3 cycles ago in late December/Early January?

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Notes,

The pattern is cycling, what we believe, every 50 to 54 days.  You can go back to each cycle and see the comparison, but I bring up two cycles ago because it is the best comparison. It is right on schedule, right on the every 50 days, and amazingly similar to February.  I am talking about the pattern we are in now.  I can go back to the other cycles and show it as well, but the best comparison is February.  If the pattern was not cycling, then there would be no comparison to February. But, it is there, so it is powerful evidence that not only are we still in the same pattern, but it is also cycling.  To go through each cycle and explain, show, prove that they are all related would take me around 30 minutes in a very organized presentation.  It is there, but I just want you to concentrate on February. 

Notes, you choose the word "chosen", as if  I just go back and look for anything that compares and then just choose. This is not what we do.  We have concluded that we are in nearly a 50 day cycle.  So, 100 days ago is perfectly within that time frame, and not chosen. You can go back 20 days before and 20 days after 100 days ago and see how everything lines up with what has been happening, and what is happening now, and what is forecast to happen soon.

Gary

May 19, 2008 8:24 AM
 

5kckmartins said:

That's what I though Jeri.. he finally found it during the morning news.  I was on phone with him at 10 and was telling him what was on while he was channel surfin, but I guess my brain was totally malfunctioning.. his nurse helped him this morning.

Well, I'm gonna try to snag a few more zzz's before the lil man wakes.. or fone rings again.  He's in xray so I have a little while.

Thanks again Jeri
May 19, 2008 8:38 AM
 

chfs327 said:

Too tired to really look at the blog so this is what I think.

I think that This will be a slide by storm and not a real Omaga block. I think it will be just to the west and southwest and will stay clear of us. We will make a run for the 90s this weekend.
May 19, 2008 8:41 AM
 

KCLady said:

Hi Gary and weather team,
I'm a long time reader and a first time poster.  I have a question for you.  Our pool doesn't open until this Saturday. What day would be the best day for a pool party over the next 12 days?  
Thank you so much!

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Welcome to the blog,

Today is the best day. LOL  But, if you are wondering about Saturday through next week, I would say Sunday and Monday.  But, there may be quite a few nice days.

Gary

May 19, 2008 8:52 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Gary,

I appreciate the stance..and generally agree..but still struggle a bit with the communication.

When for the last three times you insist on only showing one part of the cycle and not even the closest part of the cycle is beyond me.  It continues to introduce unnecessary doubt where none is needed.

I know you are trying to show the easiest to match..and I get that, but why not also show say - October?  Wouldn't October be a closer match than February to the current jet location?

No?

I think it was early Feb that you changed/refined your current cycle duration from 54-56 days to 52-50 days.  It was a time that did introduce a bit of a suprise to what was expected.

I think Note's question is fair..and not sure you really answered it.  Your statement of "If the pattern was not cycling, then there would be no comparison to February. " is not really true.

Only picking one day to compare to another does not represent a cycle.  Picking several points with a generally similar recurring time does show a cycle.  Point to point comparison is not any proof at all.

Again, you know I support the LRC..but knowing that communication is the key, I critique on those points.  As a supporter, I even get confused a bit at times about what is communicated...and I think I understand it pretty well.

As far as Feb...I really am struggling seeing the same behavior.  I see the same trough, but it moved through fairly quickly...it established on Feb 3rd and pretty much was out by Feb 7th exiting the Great Lakes area..  It never really cutoff.

I don't see the same ridging either...

Question...for the Feb event, we heard about some flip flopping of patterns...the pattern was due on 1/31, but flip flopped to 2/5.  How does that work with comparisons now?

Now..should you go back 54 days instead of 50 days...LOL

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Scott,

First of all, you must look past February 7th. We have already gone through that part of the cycle.  It is what happens between February 8th and 20th which is closely related to what is now developing and happening in the next 10 to 12 days. 

And, secondly, in October, the jet stream position may be more closely related, but the weather pattern was just evolving and setting up.  It is easier to show the comparison to February.  I think it is amazingly similar to that cycle, even though as I said to Notes, it can be shown in each cycle.  But, it would take a well organized presentation and a few hours work to set that up.

There will be doubt for those that don't live and breath the cycle every day.  This year we are more in touch with the pattern than ever before.  I even have highly respected meteorologist friends of mine around the nation agreeing that the pattern is still related to the winter, but they don't quite get the cycle either.  I have them 50% convinced, that's better than the 0% of a few years ago.  The LRC exists, and we will continue working at showing it the best way that I know of.  Which is the actual weather patterns that exist and have happened in the past few months.

Gary

May 19, 2008 9:05 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Ok...I looked more closely.  Yes, i see the relationship in the loop...folks, bookmark this site...

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/ncepreanal/

It will help show the looping over extended periods to show the pattern movements.  

Gary, I see what you are describing, but seems a bit later in the period where the cycle duration may actually be down to around 48 days or so for this part of the pattern..

Does that seem consistent?

Anyway..this block is much stronger than in Feb..I wonder if it can move the same way as before?

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Scott,

This blog has to be much stronger than the one in February, as the flow aloft has weakened.  It could easily have been predicted.  We have a lot more to learn.  And, remember, there is one pattern we found similar to this year, and it is 1959-60.  It was dry in May that year too.  It did catch up a bit in June, but not overly wet.

Gary

May 19, 2008 9:55 AM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

So even though it would take you hours to show me how the periods cycle, which time frames should I try to examine to see a cycle 1 round ago and 3 rounds ago.

I could look for myself, but since the cycle has fluxuated from 48 or 50 days to 54 or 56, I'm not sure what window of time I should be looking at, especially 3 cycles ago.  If I use the low end, that'd be 144 days ago...if I use the upper end of the number range, 3 cycles would be 168 days ago.  That's a spread of nearly a month.

As I stated before:  "Which dates correspond to a blocking pattern 1 cycle ago in early March or 3 cycles ago in late December/Early January?"

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Notes,

Every 50 to 54 days.  So, go back to December, March, pick out the dates and find it.  It is there.  I will get the specific dates later today, but right now I am on my way to do a 3 mile run with the dogs.

But, the challenge is for you to just see my February comparison.  If you can't see it there, then there is no reason for you to look at the other cycles.  Let me know your findings in February.  I will show it to you, and may put it in the blog later today or tomorrow.  I just didn't have those days scanned into my computer.

Gary

May 19, 2008 10:53 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Notes...might try 4/6ish for next week.
May 19, 2008 11:26 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Yikes...the LRC brings enough smoke...lets forget about yearly analogs and mirrors...

LOL

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Scott,

All I want Notes or anyone to do is just look at the February comparison.  The others are there too.  But, for now you start with one, and then we move onto the other cycles.  He is not even close to being convinced that a pattern in February can be related to a pattern in May. So, we have to get past step one first. 

Gary

May 19, 2008 11:28 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Notes, you might try this out...

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/06/fp0_072.shtml

and

http://community.nbcactionnews.com/blogs/weatherblog/archive/2008/04/01/2829964.aspx

Both reflect the split stream with the large ULL forming in the SW.  Both show the west coast ridging.

Both show similar surface features if you account for the QPF map of the prior blog entry depicting the stalled out stationary front where the rainfall is progged.

Also, if you assume the surface low to be in SW KS based on the QPF shadings, then you can see a similarity to what is progged this week in the surface features.

What is not accounted for is the huge ridging in the central CONUS this time compared to the last cycle.  The statement in the compared blog entry for this type of storm said this...

"Split flow has developed, and the northern branch is supplying Canadian air.  The southern branch has another storm system that will eject out into the plains ....  As this energy comes into the plains, it will do about the same thing many other storm systems have done this year.  It will go through a transition and instead of one big upper low coming our way, it will get caught in the confluent flow as the jet streams join in the eastern United States."
 
I don't see how confluence will be a part of this flow this time.  Atleast not quickly  The ridging is just too strong in the central CONUS.  Based on this, I am not sure how this ULL will track.

I don't see the block breaking until last this weekend into early next week.  Then, maybe it can eject..  That is a week of this pattern not just a few days.

So..Gary, while I see some similarities, it is behaving much differently with this ridging in the central US.  

Which do you believe..the trend of the LRC patterns thus far, which would show the models overdoing the central ridging, or go with the models and figure out how this snuck into this pattern while not evident in prior cycles?

May 19, 2008 12:11 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

So to answer your question, Gary, I do agree that the february time frame and this week look similar in some ways, but there are as many differences as there are similarities, in my view.  

That is why I use the word "chose" - you can easily subjectively select the time frames that "match" and select the features that "match" while ignoring the features that don't, which as I mentioned, seem as frequent as the matches, in my view.

The dominating feature for the entire US this week will be the blocking pattern that will persist for at least several days if not longer and the cuttoff low to the SW.  Neither was persistent last time.  While some features were similar, the flow was much more progressive.

Scott - yes, both feature a SW low and a split flow - but neither of those features are hardly unique to those timeframes...those are as common as every week or two during much of the year.  To use those as tags seems a bit sketchy.  When I use that looping site you provided earlier, it errors out if I try to view dates in February of 2008...maybe I'm doing something wrong.

So if your confidence is high in this whole pattern thing, are you both confident that once this blocking pattern falls apart early next week, it won't return for another 50 or so days?!?  Blocking patterns such as the one this week can be incredibly persistent and pervasive this time of year and I find it unlikely that it'd fall to the wayside for nearly 2 months after this week.  But if that is a tag of this portion of the cycle, it shouldn't return for another 50+ days, right?

On a lighter note...I'm not sure how you can do a 3-miler in the middle of the day with this high sun angle!  At least the light NE flow at the surface would help.  My running is quickly going to have to shift away from daytime hours that I take advantage of during the cold seasons into the early morning to beat this darn KS sun.  Hope it was a good one for you!

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Notes,

It was good, but I think I better put on sun screen as my balding scalp got a tan today.  And, doing the run with Breezy and Stormy is never easy as they want to stop a lot.  I don't let them, but a couple of times.

Once again, the word "chose".  This is something I have never done, but I understand why you would think that perhaps we can find that one part of the pattern that looks like this.  The other features in the pattern can be shown to also either be fast moving short waves, that another 12 to 24 hours later would not even be there, or the amplitude and strength of the pattern disguise the comparisons.  When I get to work today, I will find the maps, that for some reason weren't in my computer at home.  I scan them all in, and this takes a lot of time.  But, I am missing about a week right in this time frame during February.  I will get them from work and scan them in.

The Omega block feature, may briefly return later this month.  The upper low is going to get picked up in the flow in about 7 to 10 days, and it is this time frame where we may see a brief return, but if the pattern does what it did in February, then the heights will rise significantly across Canada forcing enough flow into the United States to prevent the block from re-establishing itself and it could put us into a wet pattern for about 10 days.

Gary

May 19, 2008 12:47 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

EXCELLENT BLOG Gary!! As I mentioned in Brett's blog as he did a bit of this on the midday news, I love the "LRCast".  Thanks for showing us what the jet should do as the next week unfolds. I am looking forward to the summer forecast tonight, I will be at work:( but I will definitely have it taped!   Who knows maybe one day when the LRC is finally accepted and has been studied more, each year after the LRC sets up the LRCast will be a house hold meteorological term around the world and it would have all started in K.C. with you.

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Nick,

It may be some day.  Thanks.  Have a great day.

Gary

May 19, 2008 12:51 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Scott -

When I go back "one cycle" to early April, I don't see any cuttoff low in the SW, any ridging in the central US, and the complete absence of an omega block.  The flow is particularly zonal for much of the period - virtually the opposite as is progged for next week (50-54 days after April 4-6th).  How do you make them fit?

The maps below seem very different from this week, even when I view these in a loop compared to a loop of this week's flow.  The only similarity is that storms progress across W>E...other than that, the structure of the flow seems to be far from a match.

April 3rd:   http://www.spc.noaa.gov/obswx/maps/500_080403_00.gif
April 4th:   http://www.spc.noaa.gov/obswx/maps/500_080404_00.gif
April 5th:   http://www.spc.noaa.gov/obswx/maps/500_080405_00.gif
April 6th:   http://www.spc.noaa.gov/obswx/maps/500_080406_00.gif
April 7th:   http://www.spc.noaa.gov/obswx/maps/500_080407_00.gif


May 19, 2008 1:07 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Notes - I will need a bit more time to show you.  But you have shown something that I have questioned a bit in the last year or so...

I am starting to have issues with the SPC analyzed maps.  I am going to pick just one example of one of the ones you list above...

April 7th.  You listed the 0z run.  Looks pretty plain.  Seems to me that for any dates, the SPC maps are always a bit more zonal to me.  Look at the SPC 12Z run that same day.  Looks quite a bit different.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/obswx/maps/500_080407_12.gif

Point is, I use the blog entries as archieves as they show the NCEP maps which have much more detail in the vorticity.  The SPC maps are not my cup of tea for display, but without much else to use..I have been using them.

Even the below for April 5th looks a bit different to me than just a zonal flow mainly depicted by the SPC map...

http://archive.atmos.colostate.edu/data/misc/QHTA11/0804/08040513QHTA11.png

[here is the folder for the rest of the maps for 07/08 500mb]

Looking at some other archieves, I would not agree that the week in question was largely zonal.  If anything consider the ridging in the EPAC, this alone makes it hard to be zonal coming into the CONUS.

I will have to find a better map archieve.  I wish the NCEP would archieve their own..or if they do, I wish someone would tell me where...
May 19, 2008 1:39 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Helps if I included the folder name....

http://archive.atmos.colostate.edu/data/misc/QHTA11/
May 19, 2008 1:44 PM
 

outwest said:

Gary,

Thanks for the great blog entry.

To your west, somehow/some way we need to get some rain soon!  It is now getting to be late May and at my locale we only have 2.25" of moisture for the YEAR!

Or should I give up on this year's LRC and look forward to a better/wetter one next cycle (for us it can't be much worse!)?

Doug
Fort Collins, CO
May 19, 2008 1:56 PM
 

HvilleBCM said:

May 19, 2008 1:57 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

wow..this is lots to absorb...I couldn't read all of the comments..but as I understand it the block should dissipate by end of the month? I really hate those dang Omega Blocks. Famin, Black outs, No water and Dead plants is what Omega Blocks bring to my mind. not to mention HOT. so I guess portions of this summer will be hot after all. dang it!
May 19, 2008 2:18 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Relax...this block will be eroding away starting this weekend.  It is the first time we have really seen it, and it is not uncommon for it to visit more in the summer months.

It is not the end of the world.

;-)
May 19, 2008 2:26 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Who the heck is notes??????? Sounds like he may be a competitor of Gary. I am not sure either that I completly agree with the LRC. However, I am going to wait until such time that Gary puts out a presentation for all. Not just on the Blog or on the newscast. He does not have all the answers. I am glad that he is sharing it with all of us. I think it would be better if we used constructive criticism.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK GARY.
It is a good idea to use sunscreen on your head. Or people think that you have dandruff when the skin peels. I am not talking from experiance or anything.
May 19, 2008 2:27 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Thanks scott... appreciate it buddy...man I hate those things..*cringing*
May 19, 2008 2:37 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Scott,

If you're going to argue that the SPC doesn't analyze its maps the right way to express the cycling theory, I don't really have much of a way to respond to that.

I won't use NCEP maps, as those are not *observations* - those are model progs.  If you want to analyze the past, using the actual observed values make much more sense than using model progs from the past, in my view.

00Z or 12Z, makes no difference to me.  

While the flow is clearly not entirely zonal, to argue that the flow in the early April period cited above is not largely zonal is to get down to a level of detail that has always been claimed is beyond the resolution of this cycling theory.  If you're going to cite a bit more amplified flow along the west coast as a similarity between the otherwise zonal flow of early April and this month's Omega block then it is more than fair for me to point out a slew of other details which are nearly oppositite in nature.

But I'm not about nit-picking the details.  If a cycle exists, at a minimum, the synoptic-scale flow should display some similarities.  I'm pointing out a timeframe during which the flow seems to have very few similarities, don't you agree?


 

May 19, 2008 2:48 PM
 

HvilleBCM said:

I think the comments by Notes are very constructive, and he and Scott give back to Gary exactly what he and the others interested in the theory need to hear. A blog containing only Gary's side of the story would become very boring considering Gary's tendency to rave about the theory and not provide sufficient data (sorry Gary I know thats because of your seemingly unlimited enthusiasm and the time constraints you have to devote to the blog.)

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I don't disagree, excecpt for the lack of sufficiant data. I have time and time again shown the comparison's.  I didn't have the maps at home to do it today, but in the past I have always laid out the comparison's.  But, there is more to it than just the maps, and this is what needs to be worked on.

But, it is great having this discussion. 

Gary

May 19, 2008 3:13 PM
 

johnnyo21 said:

Gary can you tell us the chance for rain Friday through Sunday. Besides everyone heading to the area lakes there will be 220+ teams competing at the Great American BBQ contest at the Woodlands. Thanks to all the men and women that have served and currently serve this great country! Let have a dry forcast this weekend!

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This weekend has a few questions, and a few days away.  We will go into the details on Tuesday.  Will the high pressure area building in from the eastern part of the Omega block dominate and keep it cool and stable?  Or, will the moisture overtake the lower atmosphere and set us up for thunderstorms?  I am leaning slightly in the direction of the high pressure area taking over.

Gary 

May 19, 2008 3:43 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Notes - clearly I am not objecting to the SPC maps based on supporting/not supporting a given theory.  

That is ludicrous.  

My point was simply that I do not care for how the SPC does their maps, and that there are other observation based maps that seem to give better resolution to the overall flow.

Taking a current view of a prog map vs. the same time period for an observationally analyzed map often yields little difference, other than the prog map gives more information to vorticity and flow - IMO

While Gary and I both share the overall opinion that the pattern is cycling, you know this by now that Gary and I differ on some of the finer points.  

I do take more credence in the resolution and vorticity than what I believe Gary does.  That is my own personal approach.  I also take it down to the surface, which again, is my personal approach.

You know I will be happy to go on endlessly in the discussion, analysis and detailed reasoning, but I don't think that is what you are seeking.   I have offered many times to do so and even created a blog partially to explore these deeper conversations.  To date, I have gotten little followup.

My opinion of the LRC really is not what is in question, but I believe more the method in which Gary asserts it's existance and how he communicates it.  

We often share similar critique in this area.  

I have shared my analysis and thoughts to you as how I think you can better investigate.  It is up to you whether you want to invest the time.  Until such time, the pattern of critique will continue much in the same way as the communication.  Here is how it goes…

Gary will blog about the LRC and compare two maps.  Notes will say that the maps don’t align or that other parts of the cycle do not align.  I typically will make mention to look at it a different way where I believe there is more evidence, but will offer critique to how it is communicated.  

At the end, no one really proves anything and it becomes nice discussion points that never evolve beyond the initial critique.

The response to the LRC has almost become more evident than the evidence itself supporting the LRC.  

LOL


Ok..so a bit more objective now…Notes, you say this above…

“When I go back "one cycle" to early April, I don't see any cuttoff low in the SW, any ridging in the central US, and the complete absence of an omega block.  The flow is particularly zonal for much of the period - virtually the opposite as is progged for next week (50-54 days after April 4-6th).  How do you make them fit?”

Ok..I am going to take April 4-6 per your comment.  You indicate that the flow is particularly zonal for much of the period in your comment.  You further clarify in your subsequent entry of “While the flow is clearly not entirely zonal, to argue that the flow in the early April period cited above is not largely zonal is to get down to a level of detail that has always been claimed is beyond the resolution of this cycling theory.”

So..yes, I am going on my take as I mention above.  Gary will have to give his own thoughts.

So..back to April 4-6.  Per Gary, this would align to May 24-26th.  Based on my beliefs of the cycle this year  that would yield May 28-30.  I believe to be a slightly different part of the cycle right now than Gary.  

So..lets look ahead and behind for this and take a general trend.  May 28-30.  So here is just a glimpse of May 29th per progs.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_500_240l.gif

You have deep ridging into NW Canada, split flow around a ULL in the Pac NW, dominant ULL north of Great Lakes, with a bit of ridging on the right side of the ULL in the Pac NW.

Cool.

April 5th, -  http://www.spc.noaa.gov/obswx/maps/500_080405_00.gif

Ridging in the NW Canada, split flow around a ULL in the Pac NW, dominant ULL north of  Great Lakes [a bit further west based on model times],  bit of ridging on right side of ULL in Pac NW.

Ok.  Lets look 50 days prior

Feb 10th, -  http://www.spc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin-spc/getuadata.spc?MyDate1=080215&Time1=12&MyDate2=&Time2=12&Align=V&Levels=500

Ridging in the NW Canada, split flow around a ULL in the SW conus [jet is strong, thus the push down], dominant ULL north of  Great Lakes [a bit further west based on model times],  bit of ridging on right side of ULL in SW.

54 days prior.

Dec 22nd.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin-spc/getuadata.spc?MyDate1=071222&Time1=00&MyDate2=&Time2=00&Align=V&Levels=500

Ridging in the NW Canada, split flow around a ULL in the SW conus [jet is strong, thus the push down], dominant ULL forming a bit west of the  Great Lakes…

Et cetera..

I will concede this, in past cycles I did not see evidence of any type of omega blocks.  I have seen hints as shown above as to ridging on the east side of the ULL splitting the flow.  But then again, I have many other features that do seem to make sense to me…perhaps only to me…


Again..just my thoughts.  ;-)
May 19, 2008 4:26 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Scott -

Without posting images within the body of replies here, this gets difficult.  I do admit there are many similarities between the 12/22/07 and 02/15/08 maps, but the comparison to 04/05 seems a bit of a stretch to me.

But to further this, I have lined up some of these maps you mentioned and opened up a new forum where users can post images, upload attachments, etc... so if you're interested, you're welcome to head over there:
http://www.notesinthemargin.com/phpBB3/index.php

You'll have to register and then email or PM me here and I'll add your permission for the Plains Weather forum.

May 19, 2008 7:02 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Pm d you here, Notes..had issues registering...
May 19, 2008 7:19 PM
 

HillsdaleBruce said:

Gary or any bloggers who have an answer,
My dad said some show was on KCPT / PBS Sunday morning about Gary but I wasn't home.  Anyone know if there will be a rebroadcast? and was it the Tony Brown show?

Thanks.
May 19, 2008 7:45 PM
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