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Rainfall potential Thursday morning

Good afternoon bloggers,

Here is the picture from Morse Elementary.  This 4th grader, Fritz was quite excited.  Fritz' mother wrote the following:

Our amazing school secretary (Mrs. Roy who Fritz adores and reports to each morning for daily temperatures) arranged for Fritz to meet the local NBC affiliate lead meteorologist Gary Lezak and his dog Stormy.  It was just the best, Gary went to the classroom and told the class he heard that there was a weatherman in the class, the kids pointed to Fritz.  They  talked about the weather and checked out Gary's book, which he signed and gave to Fritz.  They had a discussion about the chance of thunderstorms in the morning, Fritz said 10% and Gary said 90%...guess we'll have storms.  He agreed to say hello to the class on the news tonight, so we'll be watching. 

I hope Fritz is wrong, we'll see. Fritz, it was great meeting you today!

Previous entries:

I am on my way to Morse Elementary school for a short visit, then I have a photo shoot outside for Project Eldercool, and then I will finish up the blog.  I will add my thoughts by around 3:30 PM, and we will have our own rainfall forecast on the 5, 6, and 10 PM newscasts tonight.  Here are some maps, with two rainfall forecasts from different models....More in a little while.....but what do you think....

Update to finish this blog entry at 3:10 PM:

A few high based showers and thunderstorms have been widely scattered today.  As moisture increases from the Gulf of Mexico we are setting up for an end to our 11 day dry spell.  It will be tested later tonight, Thursday, and Friday with several chances for thunderstorms.  The first one arrives later tonight.  We are working on some special graphics for our weathercasts tonight, so watch NBC Action News for your most accurate forecast.

Look below at the surface forecast valid Thursday morning:

There is a warm front that will be very slowly moving northward into southern Kansas.  High dewpoints, which have been hard to come by so far this year, will be surging into southern Kansas and will fuel the thunderstorms that will be developing north of the warm front.  We seem to be in a favored location for a complex of thunderstorms between 3 and 10 AM on Thursday.  Some locations could end up with over 2 inches of rain, but where will the bullseye be located?  I plan on pinning this down during our weathercasts tonight.  Below, you can see the NAM and GFS forecasts for rainfall during the 12 hour period of 1 AM to 1 PM Thursday:

We have been forecasting a high only in the 60s on Thursday, well below everyone elses forecast, for days now.  But, I am not proud of this forecast yet.  It hasn't happened, but it still seems to be pointing in this direction. If it rains, like I think it will, on Thursday, the warm front will become even stronger and the contrast of temperatures will become more dramatic with the rain cooled air north of the front, and hot and humid air south of the warm front.  It may only be in the 50s near by on Thursday.  So, this is one of the forecast problems that we are dealing with.

That is a strong surface low just south of Denver.  Severe thunderstorms may break out way out there on Thursday.  For us, the severe weather risk will remain quite low.

Have a great evening.  We are planning excellent weathercasts to describe this tonight.  And, we will have our lake forecast as well at 6 and 10 PM tonight.

Gary

Published Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:41 PM by glezak

Comments

 

LVStormSpotter said:

RAIN IN LEAVENWORTH!!!!!!!!!!!
WOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
: )
May 21, 2008 1:34 PM
 

Kelli said:

We had a few, and I mean few, sprinkles in Lee's Summit around 10:45 or so.
May 21, 2008 1:39 PM
 

weather » Blog Archive » Rainfall potential Thursday morning said:

May 21, 2008 1:46 PM
 

Barbara said:

Did you seriously go to Morse today?  That's where my kids go!  I wonder if they saw you.
May 21, 2008 1:47 PM
 

Barbara said:

Oh, and the clouds look dark to my SW.  They did look much more ominous about 5 minutes ago, though.  They were very dark and now they're just light gray.
May 21, 2008 1:49 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

BULLSEYE!!! not over me...dang it. oh well I'll take what I can get. I seriously looked at the word MORSE 5 times. I went to Kindergarten there 21 years ago. wow. I had a few...just a few, flash backs.
May 21, 2008 1:55 PM
 

Barbara said:

Jonathan, did you only go there for kindergarten?  It's a great school.
May 21, 2008 2:01 PM
 

Tony Baker said:

I know the radar doesn't look like much, but there is a nice deck of cumulomamatus straight west of my place (2 miles south of Reno)
May 21, 2008 2:06 PM
 

Amanda2oo1 said:

What do you think the chances of rain/storm Friday and Saturday?  I am suppose to go camping at Wallace State Park in Cameron, MO and don't want to go out there if theres a good chance for wet weather.
May 21, 2008 2:10 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Ok..the two maps above are from the GFS and NAM for tomorrow.

The NAM brings the rain a bit heavier and the the NW.  It does this in response to a bit of energy in the upper levels kicked out of the ULL.

The RUC seconds the opinion while the GFS plays it down a bit.  Without the RUC, I would have gone with the GFS, but now am considering the NAM as the leader with the RUC.

The maps above are likely around the fushhour to 7PM timeframe for tomorrow.

The MCS that is shown dies out as it heads east and merges into a more north eastern trajectory as the band is wrapping around the ULL [ sorta like a spoke in a wheel]

Also, the LLJ refocuses a bit to the west of the MCS feeding into the main action in Western KS tomorrow late afternoon into the night [ watch out folks..this should be watched for those out west!].

So..all told, it gets close..and may clip the NW part of the viewing area, but think it leaves much of the metro wanting more!  

At best I would be suprised to see more than .10-.25 average across the viewing area.

Thats what I think about the maps about.  Was this 1000 words?  LOL

The next few days should be interesting to watch...

May 21, 2008 2:11 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Tony - watching the clouds today has been interesting..all sorts out there!
May 21, 2008 2:11 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Looks like some isolated light showers over the metro with some more condensed cells near Topeka and Baldwin..

All in all..nice easy rain [if it is over you] it seems with the possible occasional rumble...

;-)
May 21, 2008 2:14 PM
 

Barbara said:

Clouds are darkening again.  
May 21, 2008 2:24 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

yeah, Morse was located far from where I lived and Valley Park Elementary was already too full, but this new school which isn't so new anymore, in fact they closed it down already, Tomahawk Ridge Elementary was being built so from 1st through 5th I went there but yeah Morse was good.
May 21, 2008 2:29 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

unfortanately all the showers/T-showers are missing me..
May 21, 2008 2:30 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

There were some awesome Cumulonimbus Mammatus with the last severe weather threat we had. the evening before the bow echo came through
May 21, 2008 2:31 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I see a Severe Weather Outbreak for Eastern CO,and Western KS. Darn! of course, a week after me, and my dad go! :)
May 21, 2008 2:52 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I wish that was Eastern KS and Western MO...man I wish it..
May 21, 2008 2:57 PM
 

Lillyanya said:

My son has T-Ball practice tomorrow (Thursday) at 7pm.  Do you think the rain will make it a wash out or will we be able to get it in?

Thanks in advance. :)
May 21, 2008 3:12 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Hey everybody, this Andrew's brother Brandon!

Can you guys help us raise money for this?

http://kcweatherdude.chipin.com/storm-chasing-equipment

We are trying to do it as fast possible, wishing we could have already for tomorrow. We probably have to wait until until Andrew stops being lazy and gets a job. So will you people help us or be lazy also.

Thanks!

--------------

Brandon,

I agree with Scott, we can't ask for money in this way.  If you have a fundraiser or something that we can get involved in then ask us through an email.  But, this can't be allowed in the blog.

Gary

May 21, 2008 3:12 PM
 

Lillyanya said:

I don't wish that it was here Jonathon.  They're expecting quite a few twisters out of that thing.  I say we keep it in the more rural areas and out of any metro areas.  Too many people have lost their lives already this year to bad storms.

I hope that everyone out to our west is okay tomorrow.  Let's all pray that it misses communities and stays out in the fields.
May 21, 2008 3:13 PM
 

bewild79 said:

my hubby wants us to go to Lake of the Ozarks this weekend....will traveling between here and there be ok?  What does the rain chances look like there for the weekend?
May 21, 2008 3:19 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

[Brandon] - Andrew,

All things being equal in today's world with strife in Myanmar, earthquakes in China, civil unrise/starvation throughout the world, I have to admit - funding a chase trip for folks likely isn't the top of my list.

Not contributing to your cause would likely be due to prioritization of resourses rather than "laziness" as you claim.

Go bark up another tree.  ;-)

May 21, 2008 3:22 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Lillyanya...don't get me wrong I hate the violence and damage that thunderstorms like that produce. I just am in love with them out of pure fascination I think that supercells and severe thunderstorms are one of the most fascinating weather phenomenon on the planet. One Severe Thunderstorm releases enough energy into the atmosphere to the equivalent of an atomic bomb and I think that's absolutely amazing thats why I love them so much.
May 21, 2008 3:26 PM
 

morrell said:

50's near by?  Are you reffering to the Rocky Mountains or Canada?  

------------------------

50s in northern Missouri!

Gary

May 21, 2008 3:27 PM
 

morrell said:

referring not reffering

sorry
May 21, 2008 3:31 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Anybody know when the next bloggers meeting is...I've never been to one..
May 21, 2008 3:50 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Ha - Gary has been dragging his feet for months on a blogger meeting...LOL

I think last it was discussed, it would be BBQ at Jeremy's house...right?

-------------------------

We definitely need to have a meeting.  Things will be settling down here soon, so we can start thinking about it again.

Gary

May 21, 2008 4:00 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

I have to post this part of the NWS discussion in my amusement to the reaction from Jonathan regarding omega block this last week...lol

"MODELS ARE IN SURPRISINGLY GOOD AGREEMENT THROUGH THE MEDIUM RANGE
PERIOD REGARDING THE SYNOPTIC EVOLUTION OF THE LARGE OMEGA BLOCKING
PATTERN THAT WILL DOMINATE THE CONUS LATER THIS WEEK AND THROUGH
EARLY NEXT WEEK. "

Go get your bicycle helmet, Jonathan...LOL

j/k - ;-)
May 21, 2008 4:14 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Gary,

I will be the one to go out on a limb in disagreement with you.

I think high temps in the 60s is a bit low, and your forecasted high of 69 may be within range, but on the low side.  I am going to go with 73.

Obviously, it will be warmer south and cooler north, so we will see what KMCI comes up with tomorrow.

I like your thinking on your scenerio for the first part of the day, but after the line of rain moves to our north, it quickly runs out of support - allowing the progression of the warm moist air.

I just don't see it scurging the air enough not to allow the temps to rise in mid afternoon.  It will be a coolish morning into lunchtime, but when the storms clear...it will warm up quite a bit.

73 for a high.  Rain early in the day - moving off and allowing a quick warmup before dusk.

Just my thoughts on a tricky forecast...

------------------------

Scott,

It may be easy for you to try and battle me on this now, but we have been consistent with this 69 forecast for days now.  It still looks like it to me.  Our forecasts have been right on the past few days, lower than everyone elses, but tomorrows is the biggest challenge of the week.  If the rain materializes then you will be wrong.  And, it will struggle to get up to 69, even if the rain ends before noon.  The days are long, but right now I think it will stay in the 60s.

Gary

May 21, 2008 4:32 PM
 

RDub said:

Andrew and Brandon, follow this link to see about a funding source for your chase...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEzQ8-wwggg
May 21, 2008 4:37 PM
 

marlina10 said:

Gee, sorry Andrew, buying YOU storm chasing equipment is not on the top priority list of things to spend my money on. By the way, when you ask for money from people, it's not wise to call them lazy if they don't help.
May 21, 2008 4:37 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

First off, I got to meet 5kckmartins and her family today. Nice family and one smart potential weatherkid!
Second, Scott, I believe it was BBQ at YOUR house and you slithered out of that LOL In fact, I know it was because I was the one that kept pushing it!
May 21, 2008 4:43 PM
 

angvic00 said:

I have a question regarding clouds...I was sitting in a local park with my children this afternoon and the clouds were looking very curious to the west.  As they came closer they resembled large dark gray cotton balls.  What are these called?
May 21, 2008 4:46 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Wow.  I appreciate the conviction!  I also appreciate the consistency!  We will see.

If the surface winds were about half of what they are progged to be, I would buy in...I just think the push from the SE will be too strong to hold that low.

Jeri, silly...LOL

------------------

Scott,

The thunderstorm complex may force a northeast wind to blow, and if this happens, then it is a cool day.  A tough forecast for sure.

Gary



May 21, 2008 5:02 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Those are mammatus clouds!
May 21, 2008 5:02 PM
 

angvic00 said:

Jeri,

Thank you!  I thought that was what they were but I'm just a novice skywatcher:)  They were really cool to look at!
May 21, 2008 5:10 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

aww son of a !!!! IT's still gonna be around!!??
May 21, 2008 5:24 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I love Mammatus clouds I think they are one of the coolest formations to look at i don't see them very often but I know they come most often when severe weather does. One of the reasons why I like severe weather. REALLY NEAT CLOUDS!. Scott that was funny and I appreciate it!
May 21, 2008 5:31 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Does anyone know where Kristi has been at? I miss her.
May 21, 2008 5:32 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

Wow, has anyone looked at the latest GFS?  It showing a bunch of rain in the 42hr.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/images/gfs_p24_042l.gif
May 21, 2008 6:55 PM
 

Lillyanya said:

Since nobody answered.. My son's T-Ball practice is at 7pm on Thursday will it be rained out or no?

--------------------

We don't know for sure, as there is a chance of thunderstorms.

Gary

May 21, 2008 7:16 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Sorry everybody!
I learned my lesson about giving my brother links to websites that are experimental! (And leaving my account info saved)
I'm probably going to go to Walmart, and work. Soccer Season has just ended for Olathe, me and Brandon referee for them. We are certified by the USFS. Great job for anybody 11 yrs old or older!!   I just wish I had the equipment already to go chasing tomorrow! :(  We just don't want wait until Next Year for next chance to go chasing.      
May 21, 2008 7:17 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

LOL scott.. Jeri n I were talking bout that too.. I mentioned Wyandotte County Lake.. what better place to watch the sky?

I totally enjoyed meeting Jeri as well..
May 21, 2008 7:22 PM
 

Lillyanya said:

I know you don't know "for sure" I was just asking for a general chance.. like maybe a % around that time frame or something.. /shrug.

--------------------

90% in the morning, 30% in the evening.

Gary

May 21, 2008 7:47 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Nice GFS...right over my apartment complex
May 21, 2008 7:53 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Well, I decided to give up packing for a day and go with Sean Thursday. There better be some dang good storms too. I found out today one of my nurse cohorts at work committed suicide and I really need a chance to calm down from all the turmoil of being forced to sell the house, having to buy another one, my friend's death , etc.
It's gotta say something about me that I have to go watch severe weather in order to calm down and get my mind off things. I'm just not sure WHAT it says about me LOL
If Scott would just have that bloggers get together at his place .....LOL
May 21, 2008 8:06 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

OMG Jeri,  Soo sorry to hear that bout your co-worker.  

You know what that says??  it says stress has gotten to ya n you need to have some fun.  Believe me I know that feeling all too well.
May 21, 2008 8:10 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

I thought GFS meant Global Forecasting System. How is it over your apt?
May 21, 2008 8:10 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Thanks Stacy. It has been a difficult few weeks for alot of bloggers.
May 21, 2008 8:11 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

yes it has.. but hopefully the worst is over
OHH and they're talking bout sending him home tomorrow
May 21, 2008 8:15 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Great, hopefully it won't be pouring when you go pick him up.
May 21, 2008 8:17 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

The bullseye is over my apartment Jeri...and the entire globe is as well ;)
May 21, 2008 8:19 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Wow, Jonathan, ya better keep raingear at hand and maybe a helmet then LOL
May 21, 2008 8:22 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

lol.. that'd be just my luck.. let's hope we dont have another may 4th 03 that day.. at least till I get him home.. then Robert n I could go outside n watch till we got too scared lol
May 21, 2008 8:22 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

this is based on what Fire Dog posted...and I'm very sorry to hear about your co-worker as well I just saw that.
May 21, 2008 8:23 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I hope I'll actually need a helmet this time, I've been getting missed lately!
May 21, 2008 8:25 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Thanks Hail. Well you could come with us tomorrow.
May 21, 2008 8:32 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

you're really going out with Sean Tomorrow? that would be so incredibly neat. unfortunately I'm getting three cavities filled tomorrow. dang it!
May 21, 2008 8:35 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Hey get your priorities straight! What's more important, your teeth or seeing a tornado? LOL
I haven't had time (or money) to go as often as I promised after last year's chases.. This time I just said to myself..do it.
May 21, 2008 8:40 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

are you seriously inviting me? cuz if you are? i mean i think I might cancel the stupid dentist. I LOVE STORM CHASING!
May 21, 2008 8:43 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Jeri- I am headed to Hutchinson Ks tomorrow for the long weekend- I grew up there- sounds like that area and West will be a breeding ground for Supercells..
May 21, 2008 8:47 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

I don't know how many Sean has signed up. Why don't you go to his site and shoot him an email and ask him?
May 21, 2008 8:48 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Cool JP, I don't know where we are going tomorrow because he shot me an email asking for a place to meet and that's the last I heard from him. But if you see us wave ! He's got the Skywarn SUV with the OK Sooners license plates.
May 21, 2008 8:51 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

well first off how much money does this require and what all is involved in doing this because if I have to bring my own car...I think I'm having transmission issues with it and don't trust it to drive all the way to western KS. and does it involve staying overnight somewhere or what. Like I said I've never done it before.
May 21, 2008 8:52 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

First you arrange a meeting site with him. It's $300 for the first time, then you get a discount any other time. but you can use PayPal or a credit card. He has always met me near my place in Lenexa and he does the driving. The money helps cover the cost of gas (which today hit $3.79/gal).. Yes, it is alot of money but it is so worth it.
May 21, 2008 8:56 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

one time I chased with a group of friends amateurly up to Bethany MO and we saw was later to be rated an F-4 that was May 29th 2004 so that was pretty cool but I've never been with a professional chase group.
May 21, 2008 8:56 PM
 

JPnKC said:

Jeri--You never know!!- Good Luck and Have a great and SAFE time...

JP
May 21, 2008 8:57 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Thanks, JP you too!
May 21, 2008 8:58 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

wow...I so have to talk to my wife about this first... cuz I just lost my job last week and she has a job interview tomorrow..oh my god it would be so worth it but i'm in my own little weather world which they are not in and I dont think they would understand...oh man...
May 21, 2008 8:59 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

I am used to chasing women, and I think storm chasing is worth more to the dollar hahaha


oh btw not that im a fan of american idol but cook from blue springs just one the whole thing which i thought was pretty cool
May 21, 2008 9:02 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

well I guess that's a no..I just called my wife, and I already knew the answer..we just don't have the money=( wow shot in the heart.
May 21, 2008 9:03 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

totally wish I 300 bucks to blow...
May 21, 2008 9:17 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Jerri,

I hope you have a great time, say hello to Sean for me!! Tell him maybe Next Year I will have the equipment to go with him in another car.
May 21, 2008 9:23 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

well Jeri...I don't know where you went but I'm sorry I can't go tomorrow but I hope you have a great time and I hope it's successful and no one gets hurt but I hope you have the time of your life and you see a lot of them and I hope you see a nice big one for good measure...but overall I just hope you have a great time! g'night Jeri and Everybody.
May 21, 2008 9:23 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

This year I do not have it to blow...honest..but after going last year, more than once, the high lasted long enough to be worth it. And you're right...if people are not into weather they don't get it. In my case people just shake their heads and laugh..honestly I think there is some envy and awe in all that teasing.
May 21, 2008 9:24 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Jerri,

I hope you have a great time, say hello to Sean for me!! Tell him maybe Next Year I will have the equipment to go with him in another car.
May 21, 2008 9:24 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Had to help the ex move some boxes out of the basement. I better get to bed soon too.
May 21, 2008 9:25 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

If he feels ok and is up to going, I will tell him hi for ya Andrew :)
May 21, 2008 9:29 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

So what is the latest for tonight and tomorrow? What kind of rain are we looking at and what time will it start?
May 21, 2008 9:30 PM
 

Turd Fergenson said:

If only I had money for storm chasing. Since were on a tight Budget due to our family vacation in PHX, A missions trip to Baha Mexico, and my Brothers first year in College.

Whats the deal with the rain. Is the storms popping up to the northwest our main event for tomorrow.
May 21, 2008 9:42 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

great photo Gary..
May 21, 2008 10:22 PM
 

Lillyanya said:

Thank you Gary for letting me know about the rain chances =) That's a big help!!
May 21, 2008 10:32 PM
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