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1:45 PM thoughts June 3, 2008

Good afternoon bloggers,

It is an extremely muggy, partly cloudy, and dry (so far) afternoon.  Cumulus clouds are developing rapidly, high based altocumulonimbus clouds (I call them that since they have little anvils) are around showing instability, it is very warm, and there is weak front to our north sagging southward.   Look below at the 1 PM surface map:

The highest dewpoints are pooling just east of Kansas City, which is a sign that there is some kind of boundary, not very evident at the surface, but it is likely laying across and near I-70 above the surface at some lower level of the atmosphere.  There is a weakening surface low southwest of Kansas City.  And, 90 degree air is pushing into southern Kansas.

There is a series of disturbances aloft moving our way. The cap is strong enough to hold down any initiation of thunderstorms for another few hours, but then explosive development would be likely.  But where?  There are big concerns, because the ingredients are there for tornadoes, very large hail, damaging winds, and serious flooding.  I believe there is a better than 50/50 chance that severe thunderstorms break out this evening and the initial ones could be quite powerful.

I will add more thoughts later today.  What do you think?  We will be tracking this for you on NBC Action News tonight.

Gary

Published Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:38 PM by glezak

Comments

 

Mammatus said:

I notice that a dry slot is coming up from around the Wichita area toward Topeka or so. 70 dewpoints to the West of it and 70 dew's to the east. Do you think that will supress development over Eastern kansas or possibly help vertical development?? Its looking intereseting to say the least. Looks like the boundary extending into the kansas side has fizzled out.
June 3, 2008 1:51 PM
 

Matt P said:

Do you see us in a watch later on, Gary?
June 3, 2008 1:56 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Well..the RUC wants initiation to start AOA 20Z north of the stationary front.  Watching the evolution of the cap erosion and the remaining outflow boundaries, I can see this.

The RUC hits it much harder at 23Z with a large band of showers and thunderstorms all along the stationary front.

Seems about that time we start picking up some of the 500mb vorticity..

http://ruc.noaa.gov/disp2.cgi?/w3/rapb/plots_20km_oper/.//+sa+am+06

The frontal boundary is well defined on the sat images...

http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satellite/displaySat.php?region=ICT&itype=vis&size=large&endDate=20080603&endTime=-1&duration=0

Keep an eye on the cap erosion..that will help with timing.
June 3, 2008 1:56 PM
 

Mammatus said:

It does look like anything that breaks the cap will be very intense and there looks to be plenty of shear. With the mid level lapse rates we have in place, baseball + size hail could be a possibility but I sure hope not.
June 3, 2008 2:01 PM
 

adogg said:

I think it feels stormy!! I think that the cap will erode around 6 or 7, with most of the action being along and south of I-70, this may turn out to be worse than the hyped up thursday storms.
June 3, 2008 2:01 PM
 

kane1970 said:

How long would it be before you have some kind of idea where these storms might be. East of Kansas?
June 3, 2008 2:04 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Daughter has softball tonight Starts at 5:30 goes to 7:00 in Belton. I hope we don't get caught out in it. Really bad timming.
June 3, 2008 2:05 PM
 

Darkwolfe said:

Gary,

On my way into town this afternoon I noticed something about the temps and general "feel" of the air.  I had my windows down and there were a good number of cooler spots in the midst of all the warm and muggy.  It didn't seem to have any relatioin to sun or shade.  One moment the air was thick and muggy, the next it would be noticeably cooler.

Now granted, I was tooling along at about 70mph most of the way, but the changes were still very noticeable.  Any thoughts on that little detail?
June 3, 2008 2:07 PM
 

LSGolfer said:

auroramama,

Here's a link to explain CAPE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convective_available_potential_energy
June 3, 2008 2:12 PM
 

HillsdaleBruce said:

I can't see the 1pm surface map...if you need to know about that.

got .85 inches out of that early morning storm.  That means 3.10 within 24 hrs for Hillsdale Lake.

I'm actually thinking of watching hockey tomorrow night.  That is weird..  No OT's though please!!
June 3, 2008 2:13 PM
 

Roberto said:

As Gary always says, it pays to look up (at the sky) and I think it pays to feel the air! It is extremely humid! It's like swimming in lead to be outside. If a dryline is developing, it sure isn't here yet!
June 3, 2008 2:13 PM
 

HillsdaleBruce said:

Now I see the 1pm surface map..  sorry.
June 3, 2008 2:14 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Tended?
June 3, 2008 2:17 PM
 

bellgolf08 said:

i am sitting in sedalia and i have a temp of 85.8 deg and a dew point of 74. its feels like a stormy day
June 3, 2008 2:20 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I agree, Roberto...  It's very humid.  The dogs were panting and they were not even exerting themselves.  Spoiled rotten chihuahuas. :)

Kristi
June 3, 2008 2:21 PM
 

Roberto said:

The low looks awfully close to KC- NWS says spotter activation likely from Paola to MO River, but their map includes areas north of MO river.
June 3, 2008 2:25 PM
 

PatsSoxCelts said:

84 degrees here, dewpoint of 73. I just get this bad feeling that the storms that fire, will become severe.
June 3, 2008 2:27 PM
 

rstull said:

GREAT depiction of a surface low from the Goodland,KS radar sight.
June 3, 2008 2:32 PM
 

twister11 said:

very interesting day in the political world as well, if anyone is paying attention. lol
June 3, 2008 2:33 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I give up. LOL  I don't like what I read on the hazardous outlook for this evening and overnight.  I can't get a good read on this today at all.

Kristi
June 3, 2008 2:33 PM
 

kane1970 said:

where do you find that info Roberto????
June 3, 2008 2:34 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Meso Discussion!!!!!
June 3, 2008 2:36 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

SPC just issued a MD for our area, stating a watch is likely shortly.  They expect storm initiation between 2200 and 2300Z, which would be 4-5 pm local time?
June 3, 2008 2:37 PM
 

Roberto said:

June 3, 2008 2:37 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

  MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1181
  NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
  0233 PM CDT TUE JUN 03 2008
 
  AREAS AFFECTED...PARTS OF CNTR/ERN KS INTO NRN MO
 
  CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY
 
  VALID 031933Z - 032130Z
 
  A LOW AMPLITUDE SHORT WAVE TROUGH IS NOW IN THE PROCESS OF LIFTING
  EAST NORTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE CENTRAL ROCKIES/HIGH PLAINS REGION...
  WITHIN THE BASE OF A BROADER SCALE TROUGH SHIFTING INTO THE NORTH
  CENTRAL UNITED STATES.  LATEST RUC GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT THIS WILL
  CONTRIBUTE TO MID-LEVEL HEIGHT FALLS ACROSS MUCH OF EASTERN KANSAS
  THROUGH NORTHERN/CENTRAL MISSOURI BY 22-23Z.  AND...THIS IS EXPECTED
  TO CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASING CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT.
 
  FOCUS FOR THE INITIATION OF STORMS MAY BE NORTHEAST OF EAST CENTRAL
  KANSAS SURFACE LOW...NEAR A SURFACE FRONT AND OUTFLOW BOUNDARY
  INTERSECTION.  THIS IS ON THE NOSE OF A PRE-FRONTAL SURFACE TROUGH/
  LOW-LEVEL THERMAL RIDGE...WHICH ALSO MAY BECOME A FOCUS FOR STORM
  DEVELOPMENT...WEST SOUTHWESTWARD ACROSS CENTRAL KANSAS.
 
  IN THE PRESENCE OF STEEP LAPSE RATES...MIXED LAYER CAPE OF 2000-3000
  J/KG AND MODERATE TO STRONG DEEP LAYER SHEAR BENEATH 40-50 KT WEST
  SOUTHWESTERLY 500 MB FLOW...SEVERE STORMS APPEAR LIKELY.  A FEW
  SUPERCELLS ARE EXPECTED...WITH ASSOCIATED ENHANCED RISK FOR LARGE
  HAIL/LOCALIZED DAMAGING WIND GUSTS.  AN ISOLATED TORNADO IS ALSO
  POSSIBLE.
June 3, 2008 2:38 PM
 

Mammatus said:

So, is the surface low to the southwest intensifying??? I thought it was at 1002mb at 1700Z and now its 998mb? That would tell me that the severe threat is definitely increasing. Still wondering about that dry slot. 3000-3500 cape increasing in from the southeast towards the front. I have a nervous feeling in my gut, enough so that Im going to leave work early and chase.
June 3, 2008 2:38 PM
 

Roberto said:

kane1970: here is a link: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/frames.php?sector=6
click on bsic surface, then on msl pressure/wind
June 3, 2008 2:39 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I just read the meso disc on SPC's website.  I can't get a good read on today at all.  No predictions for me on today.  I am just going to watch and see where the chips may fall.

Kristi
June 3, 2008 2:42 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

22-23Z is 5-6 p.m. local time, if the time on the NWS radar is correct.
June 3, 2008 2:42 PM
 

jacob said:

The MODERATE RISK of severe weather now covers Kansas City.  This is farther west than it was on the Midday show on NBC Action News.  We are also in the 15% risk of tornadoes.  This could be our 2nd severe weather outbreak.  Do you all agree?
June 3, 2008 2:43 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Thanks Roberto. Although, I was asking about spotter activation. :)
June 3, 2008 2:44 PM
 

Roberto said:

The top story on NBCActionNews.com is the severe weather threat.
June 3, 2008 2:44 PM
 

simplykristi said:

It would be 5 to 6 PM.

Kristi
June 3, 2008 2:46 PM
 

Roberto said:

same hear Kristi, they didn't sound extremely certain on how strong and where the thunderstorms would be.
June 3, 2008 2:46 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Here's a great conversion chart:  http://hurricanes.noaa.gov/zulu-utc.html  Bookmark the page!

Kristi
June 3, 2008 2:47 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

MAN I AM GOOD...I just took a short drive to get something to eat. and I came out side and saw all the cumulus clouds and I said. WE are now under a MD and sure enough and came back and we are. WOO HOO i FEEL PRIDE!
June 3, 2008 2:47 PM
 

twister11 said:

jacob, I dont see the new outlook. does anyone have it? It isnt showing on my computer, it just shows the one issued at 11 30. was there a new one just issued?
June 3, 2008 2:47 PM
 

Roberto said:

June 3, 2008 2:47 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Looking at SPC I feel that in the metro the hail is going to be the worst.  Any thoughts?
June 3, 2008 2:47 PM
 

jacob said:

twister 11,

www.spc.noaa.gov

June 3, 2008 2:49 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Tyler,
There's a new meso out for the metro area.  Go over to the SPC website.

Kristi
June 3, 2008 2:50 PM
 

Emmysmom said:

I really, really hope this doesn't pan out.  I'm still working on getting my roof stuff sorted out from the May tornado and I am told I have bare plywood showing.  

If this does kick off, any idea on the time frame?  We were hoping to come downtown for dinner tonight, but maybe we dont want to stray too far from home.

And someone mentioned hockey earlier...I just wanted to say thank you, to KSHB, for removing the watch boxes during the actual game.  My husband is a HUGE Red Wings fan and was disturbed to see it on the screen, but delighted that it was removed for the action.  Thank you!  It's hard enough to follow the puck, but harder when there is screen obstruction.  : )
June 3, 2008 2:51 PM
 

Roberto said:

No new outlook, not until 3:30. Jacob must have just checked on the SPC's website, and seen something else on TV.
June 3, 2008 2:52 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Thanks Roberto
June 3, 2008 2:52 PM
 

Luthur said:

Is this more of a they are going to put us in a Severe Tstorm Watch or Twister Watch.
June 3, 2008 2:53 PM
 

mzkmom said:

Gary, could you help?  
My daughter is getting married next weekend at Powell Gardens...how will the weather be Thursday through Saturday?  We are hoping for some beautiful garden photos...thank you!  

---------------

I have put in the order for nice weather.

Gary

June 3, 2008 2:54 PM
 

jacob said:

If you look at the last blog, there is a different weather outlook, the mod. risk is to our east.  If you look at spc.noaa.gov, the mod risk is now over kc.  it just moved a little west.
June 3, 2008 2:55 PM
 

KC_Hams said:

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but check out this footage of a tornado hitting a bank in Parkersburg, Iowa:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/weather/2008/06/03/vo.tornado.surveillance.video.FirstStateBank

June 3, 2008 2:56 PM
 

DfromWarsaw said:

Roberto,
No, really, they pushed the mod risk west to the state line:

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day1otlk.html
June 3, 2008 2:57 PM
 

kane1970 said:

yes you are right jacob. But that happend a while ago. I think around noon.
June 3, 2008 2:57 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well I expect to see large cumulonimbus clouds around us at work tonight teasing us like usual;)
June 3, 2008 2:58 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Luther, Definitely a Tornado watch. If there is even a slight risk for Tornadoes, they will always issue a Tornado watch, better to be safe than sorry. I would say the tornado threat is there for certain.
June 3, 2008 2:58 PM
 

jacob said:

I would say if they issue a watch, it will likely be a tornado watch.
June 3, 2008 2:58 PM
 

Zazel said:

Luthur, I don't know if there's an actual correlation but when the meso dicussion outline is red it normally results in a tornado watch and when the line is in blue it results in a severe thunderstorm watch.  My personal bet is on the tornado watch being issued for the metro and much of the viewing area.  ~ Dave
June 3, 2008 2:59 PM
 

DfromWarsaw said:

Sorry if that is old info, (sometimes I get distracted with work at work =} )
June 3, 2008 3:00 PM
 

Roberto said:

Jacob: The last blog has the outlook from like 7:30 or something, so it has changed, but in the 11:30 outlook. So you were kinda right.

Emmysmom: 5PM to Midnight for the storms, which is a large timeframe, but I think the will start to the west and north and move south and east, according to the NWS and Brett. The storms could start as early as 4, and will probably leave the metro by 11 at the latest. Sorry I couldn't be more accurate!

mzkmom: I'm not Gary, but thusday night into noon Friday there is a chance for some severe storms, but Saturday  looks fine.
June 3, 2008 3:00 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I've been looking at the visible satellite. That CU field is growing and the Cumulus are growing taller. They will issue that watch soon.
June 3, 2008 3:01 PM
 

Luthur said:

Thanks, Mammatus.  I always wondered what the minimum threshold was to determine Severe vs Tornado.
June 3, 2008 3:02 PM
 

Luthur said:

Thanks as well Jacob and Zazel.  Your posts weren't up yet when I posted.  
June 3, 2008 3:03 PM
 

Mammatus said:

They will most likely now include Eastern Kansas in the Moderate Risk area at 3pm mainly because of very large hail. There could still be a Tornado threat but it looks like the bulk of the low level shear will be from the State line eastward but there are still chances since there will be enough shear and instability. There will be outflow boundaries created by the developing storms so you always have to watch that for spin ups when other supercells interact with those boundaries. I think think that the atmosphere will be unstable enough for storms to go severe within 30 minutes of initiation. No, im not a meteorologist, I just stayed at a Holiday inn express...LOL  Im going chasin'
June 3, 2008 3:03 PM
 

Roberto said:

DfromWarsaw: yes you're right, it just happened a few hours ago is all. But that is big (Jacob and DfromWarsaw) that there is a moderate risk. I hope everyone will keep an eye on the weather (everyone NOT here, all of us will) because I know tons of people that could care less about tornado warnings.
June 3, 2008 3:04 PM
 

juba said:

I like storms but Im not saying my thoughts cuz that could jinx it! Is there alink to show your latest tv model? My tv provider isn't working correctly today.
June 3, 2008 3:04 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Based on what I see on the visible. Initiation will most likely begin from a Leavenworth to just south of Emporia to Chanute, KS line. that's where the tallest Cumulus are right now.
June 3, 2008 3:05 PM
 

davidmcg said:

NWS just put out the latest convective outlook.  It doesn't look good for the Ozarks region especially where they have the greatest threat for tonadoes and very large hail.  Us Kansans looks like all we have to fear is large hail.  An interesting evening to be sure.
June 3, 2008 3:08 PM
 

Roberto said:

New convective outlook: Tornado threat down to 10%, but wind and hail threats have shifted locations, 30% hail, 45% wind. Moderate risk, same place.
June 3, 2008 3:10 PM
 

LibertyB said:

Pens won, YES!! Wherever the storms go, I can tell you won place it won't go: Liberty.
June 3, 2008 3:12 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

the new outlook is out...they downgraded the tornado threat to 10 percent un hatched but upgraded the wind threat to 45 percent hatched. moderate risk remains banked up against the stateline. hail threat is still 30 percent hatched.
June 3, 2008 3:12 PM
 

Emmysmom said:

I hope you are right, LibertyB
June 3, 2008 3:14 PM
 

ShawneeMike said:

Thanks for the chart Kristi--I know a lot of people (myself included) have been on the lookout for something like that.

Jacob/Roberto--I think what happened was that the outlook was released during the 11:00 Midday show and Brent didn't have enough time to get his graphic updated in time to reflect it.

The SPC just updated it at 3:00pm and they only made a small minor adjustment and the Moderate Risk is still hugging the state line. So if you are on the east side of State Line Road--be on the lookout---you are in a moderate risk....but those of you on the west side of State Line, you can rest a little easier.  :)


June 3, 2008 3:14 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Possibly a dry line came through here in Jefferson County KS or is very close.  Our dewpoints have been steadily dropping since noon.  Then it was 73.4 and a temp of 93.7, now it the dewpoint is 71.6 with a temp of 91.7.  Cloud cover has increased to about 90% cloud cover, the wind is WSW at 4.2 and a barometer of 29.54 which is falling from 29.6 at noon.
June 3, 2008 3:16 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Mammatus - I would question the tornado watch.  Sounding hodographs are largely a straight line indicating little veering with height.  Also, with LCLs still in the 800s, that is a bit high..would rather see 900s for better tornadic setups...

Even at 22Z, we have progged  -41 CIN at KMCI...still a bit much for my liking for cap but breakable.

I am still liking my RUC analysis at the top of the blog.

All in all..maybe..we will have to wait to see it initiate.  I am a bit tentative after being quasi-burned last Friday...LOL
June 3, 2008 3:20 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

Thanks for that zulu conversion chart Kristi.. and put in bookmarks, cuz zulu drives me insane trying to figure out.

I'm just hoping that all this is over by 5am at the latest..  >>>getting nervous bout this "adventure"  

Stacy
June 3, 2008 3:21 PM
 

adogg said:

Not to argue with you shawnneMike, but thats not really true. I live in drexel which in right on the border, its a matter of yards from being on the kansas side. Storms wont be much different in that short of range.
June 3, 2008 3:22 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

davidmcg - likely more of a boundary of some kind than a dryline.  Drylines are far more abrupt than that.
June 3, 2008 3:23 PM
 

pilotskcx said:

Kristi:  It's easy to read if you don't 'read' too much into it.  We were in the 15% risk for TV's and now we're back down into the 10% according to my Mobile threat Net MD outline.  it's Jumped twice splitting the metro from N to S each time...lol.

I think it's another hit and miss and maybe a hop scotching TV somewhere in the metro...maybe.  The same ole same ole for KC me thinks.

I'll have the laptop in the Wrangler tonight just in case.  We're all set up with the ram mount and both Mobile threat Net and Swift WX with mobile broadband.

I'll try and get some pics up of our new rig soon.

Have fun everyone!
June 3, 2008 3:25 PM
 

radman22 said:

Those storms yesterday morning sure had a small path, yet they were very destructive.   Imagine how much $$$ in damage had that gone through the heart of the metro.     We will all prob get some storms, but a few unlucky ones will have large hail and high winds.      

Storms can and will be very different in a very short range!   Predicting them is the hard part.
June 3, 2008 3:27 PM
 

twister11 said:

Scott, do you have any satelite views of cumulus, cumulonimbus clouds that are starting to form?
June 3, 2008 3:30 PM
 

DfromWarsaw said:

Ok, here's a question. What does it mean on the SPC page when the area is hatched?
June 3, 2008 3:32 PM
 

adogg said:

I know storms can change within miles, but Im talking about not even half a football field
June 3, 2008 3:33 PM
 

adogg said:

Dont take my anwer as right, but I think hatched means that it wont change much.
June 3, 2008 3:34 PM
 

ShawneeMike said:

adogg--Ha, yeah--was just trying to inject some humor for those who live on State Line Road here in the KC metro area.  ;)  
June 3, 2008 3:36 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

i really think that the chances for tornadoes are east of the metro. i guess anything can happen but i dont see much here for KC. I hope I am right though.
June 3, 2008 3:36 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

twister...just go to weather.gov click on the kansas city area and when you see our counties scroll down to satellite and click on visible and then click loop big and it'll loop the satellite for you.
June 3, 2008 3:37 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

June 3, 2008 3:37 PM
 

Roberto said:

hatched means there is a 10% or greater chance for ef2-ef5 tornados with in 25 miles of a point if looking at the tornado threat, 3/4inch hailstones within 25 miles of a pint, or 58knot+ wind gusts within 25 miles of a point. (all 10%)
June 3, 2008 3:39 PM
 

Brocksmama said:

weather radio just went off- tornado watch!
June 3, 2008 3:40 PM
 

Turd Fergenson said:

Ok, here's a question. What does it mean on the SPC page when the area is hatched?

If its hail then a 10% chance of significant hail in any point of 25 miles

Tornado watch
June 3, 2008 3:40 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

Tornado watch jus issued.. My weather radio went of.. yaaaaaaaaaay.. I got it set.
June 3, 2008 3:40 PM
 

Roberto said:

tornado watch!!! until 11
June 3, 2008 3:42 PM
 

kcweatherfan said:

Scott -

Where are you getting this from?

" Sounding hodographs are largely a straight line indicating little veering with height. "

Thanks.
June 3, 2008 3:42 PM
 

MikeandJenn said:

Tornado Watch
TORNADO WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE FOR WT 437
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
340 PM CDT TUE JUN 3 2008

TORNADO WATCH 437 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1100 PM CDT FOR THE
FOLLOWING LOCATIONS

MOC001-003-007-019-021-025-027-033-037-041-045-047-049-051-053-
061-063-075-079-081-089-095-101-103-107-111-115-117-121-127-129-
135-137-151-159-165-171-173-175-177-195-197-199-205-211-227-
040400-
/O.NEW.KWNS.TO.A.0437.080603T2040Z-080604T0400Z/

MO
.    MISSOURI COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

ADAIR                ANDREW              AUDRAIN
BOONE                BUCHANAN            CALDWELL
CALLAWAY             CARROLL             CASS
CHARITON             CLARK               CLAY
CLINTON              COLE                COOPER
DAVIESS              DEKALB              GENTRY
GRUNDY               HARRISON            HOWARD
JACKSON              JOHNSON             KNOX
LAFAYETTE            LEWIS               LINN
LIVINGSTON           MACON               MARION
MERCER               MONITEAU            MONROE
OSAGE                PETTIS              PLATTE
PUTNAM               RALLS               RANDOLPH
RAY                  SALINE              SCHUYLER
SCOTLAND             SHELBY              SULLIVAN
June 3, 2008 3:43 PM
 

Roberto said:

Most of the watch is on the MO side, just a little bit on the KS side, Johnson, Wyandotte, Leavnworth, etc, KS MO border huggers.
June 3, 2008 3:43 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Hodographs will look better east of the state line. Some curvature's will likely show up soon.
June 3, 2008 3:45 PM
 

Roberto said:

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0437.html
click probabilities, interesting, 50% 2 or more tornadoes.
June 3, 2008 3:46 PM
 

Roberto said:

also miami, atchision, doniphan
June 3, 2008 3:47 PM
 

KChomeloan said:

what counties will be in direct line of this storm?
June 3, 2008 3:49 PM
 

adogg said:

I am barely even in the tornado watch, sounds like it might be pretty boring here in drexel.
June 3, 2008 3:50 PM
 

Turd Fergenson said:

  DISCUSSION...THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT APPEARS LIKELY DURING THE NEXT
  1-3 HOURS ACROSS NRN MO AS CAP WEAKENS AND AIR MASS BECOMES VERY
  UNSTABLE.  AXIS OF STRONG SURFACE HEATING NOSING INTO NWRN MO MAY
  PROVIDE INITIAL IMPETUS FOR DEVELOPMENT BY 5-6 PM...WITH
  THUNDERSTORMS BECOMING MORE WIDESPREAD ACROSS WW EARLY THIS EVENING.
   SHEAR WILL REMAIN QUITE FAVORABLE FOR SUPERCELLS...WITH EVENTUAL
  EVOLUTION INTO MCS/LINEAR CONVECTIVE SYSTEM POSSIBLE LATER THIS
  EVENING.  LARGE HAIL...SOME OF WHICH COULD BE QUITE LARGE...IS
  EXPECTED WITH THE STRONGER STORMS.  LOW LEVEL SHEAR...ALTHOUGH
  MODEST...WILL ALSO BE FAVORABLE FOR A THREAT OF ISOLATED TORNADOES.
  WIND DAMAGE POTENTIAL MAY INCREASE WITH THESE STORMS SHOULD
  ORGANIZATION INCREASE THROUGH THE MID TO LATE EVENING.
 
June 3, 2008 3:51 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

looking at the latest ruc, the 23Z sounding looks very nice.  LCLs dropped and starting to have the "handgun" look again.

Temps aloft are favorable for large hail...
June 3, 2008 3:52 PM
 

Mammatus said:

You have to look at the winds at different levels, the surface low will cause some veering with height as it reaches the kansas/Mo border, when it interacts with the current shear parameters, we will see some low level Hodograph cusrvatures and like I mentioned before, once the storms initiate, outflow from the storms will help low level rotation with any storm that encounters the outflow winds. i think if you look at the Hodographs nowm the are straight but they will change with the approach of the surface low/wave
June 3, 2008 3:52 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I'm surprised of the placement of the watch I thought it was going to be more on the KS side
June 3, 2008 3:53 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

June 3, 2008 3:53 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

i wonder if i should clean out the hall closet in the basement to make room for us if something does happen. we have only three rooms in the basement with no windows, the bathroom which only has a sink,toilet but is on an exterior northern wall. in the middle is our furnace room and under the stairs is our hall closet. i am thinking the closet will be the safest but not very big for two adults, a baby and a big old lab.
June 3, 2008 3:53 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

oh well at least I'm in the watch
June 3, 2008 3:53 PM
 

bewild79 said:

This sucks
June 3, 2008 3:54 PM
 

Zazel said:

I'm certainly no meteorologist, but it seems to me they didn't put the watch box far enough west into Kansas.  Clearly the visible satellite shows the building cumulus field going back to at least a bit west of Topeka.
June 3, 2008 3:56 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I had to step away from the keys...  It sounds like we are just on the edge of the watch.

Kristi
June 3, 2008 3:57 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I agree with you Zazel there is so much cumulus activity well into KS. This is not right. I'm sure they will issue one out there later
June 3, 2008 3:58 PM
 

Roberto said:

C in Raymore: The bathroom is ALWAYS the safest place if it has no windows because to pipes insulae and protect you.
June 3, 2008 3:59 PM
 

subby64735 said:

I think the shear will be a bit more unilateral in nature in central Kansas.  Possibly warrant a Severe Thundertorm Watch though.  Jim in Clinton.
June 3, 2008 3:59 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Kristi have you looked at the visible satellite. the placement and size of the tornado watch makes no sense? the Cumulus field is thick and Tall well into Eastern KS
June 3, 2008 4:00 PM
 

adogg said:

I think this will effect the southern counties more than they think. They should have issued the watch a few counties further to the south, at least bates
June 3, 2008 4:02 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

yah i know that is normal but it is very hard to explain this bathroom, very little piping that only goes up and not over the room. with two exterior walls that are not underground at all. we live in a split entry. also our exterior door is right by this door so I just dont know how safe that would be. the stairs are actually surrounded by cement on one side and are underground
June 3, 2008 4:04 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Well, the storms most likely will not go Tornadic until the get alittle east of the state line. Thats why they only included the farthers east counties in kansas. Its all due to the cap, which is weakening. if they cap would have weakened sooner, the watch would have been further west.
June 3, 2008 4:04 PM
 

Roberto said:

I see a line developing just W of topeka in KS, the Tornado watch should be extended to the west and some to the south, I think.
June 3, 2008 4:07 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Jnoathan,
I am having to deal with several things at the moment so I have not had a chance to look at anything but the blog. :)  

Backy,
Take a big deep breath.  :)  You have all of us here to help you track any storms that may form. :)

Kristi
June 3, 2008 4:07 PM
 

PlatteCityMatt said:

It is becoming a little dark in Platte City....Cumulus trying very hard to get thick Me thinks.......
June 3, 2008 4:08 PM
 

Taxman said:

It was briefly raining big drops in OP at 95th and Nall.
June 3, 2008 4:13 PM
 

Kelly said:

Gonna be a long night! It has been so humid today. Sheesh! Hope everyone has a weather radio turned on and 41 tuned in! I'll run outside and look up, rule # 1.

Kelly

June 3, 2008 4:13 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Thunderstorm development will occur over the next 30 minutes from the shower in Platte City right now... this things starting to punch through the cap right now.

---------------

The cap is about to break.  I am tracking that shower near Platte City, it is struggling at this moment.

Gary

June 3, 2008 4:14 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

The meso D is still up for our area so they stil may issue a watch for a lot of the Kansas side probly most likely a T-Storm Watch. although anything is possible.
June 3, 2008 4:15 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Things are getting ready to pop. I think that initiation is going to be sooner than 5pm. The surface low at the Kansas/Oklahoma border is currently at 996mb so that makes me think it will generate some severe storms northeast of that low as well. Looks like the storms will move east with some right turners possible and those will be the ones to watch out for. The deepest moisture is coming straight up from the south from Oklahoma and the dry slot is entering eastern kansas now. should see initiation from maybe a little east of Topeka down to Emporia or a little east. Its a little complicated though. The cap is definitely weakening over east central Kansas and moreso around St Joe and northeast from there. It is interesting that they didn't place the watch further west though, my guess is because of the dry slot and they are expecting initiation east of that dry slot. Could see some west of it too though?? thinking a possible line of storms behind the supercells.
June 3, 2008 4:16 PM
 

Turd Fergenson said:

Clouds are building to the west of Topeka. I think it needed about 2 or 3 counties to the west for the Tornado watch and 3 counties south.

ill Be out and about taking my position for pictures and filming. it gonna get good. This is probabily gonna be Thursdays event for us.
June 3, 2008 4:18 PM
 

adogg said:

I have a weather radio, it doesnt work down here in drexel though!
June 3, 2008 4:18 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

just got my in case of a tornado box ready to put in our closet. sure hope that is not going to be used any of these days but better safe than sorry with a little one running around.
June 3, 2008 4:25 PM
 

adogg said:

Hey turd fergenson, make sure you wear your big hat!! :)
June 3, 2008 4:25 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Stay safe, everyone. C in Raymore, you are being smart by thinking ahead. I only have a hallway and when a big storm is coming I take down all my pictures. I've left them down for the tornado season.

adogg ~ how come the radio isn't working?
June 3, 2008 4:30 PM
 

Kelly said:

For some reason I want to "are you ready?" I do not see anything yet on NWS radar yet.

Kelly
June 3, 2008 4:31 PM
 

Kelly said:

Just spotted some echo's in Platte county I think.
Learning to read the scope. LOL!

Kelly
June 3, 2008 4:34 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Need to watch the one just east of Platte City
June 3, 2008 4:34 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

man this will not be good if stuff happens in rush hour tonight
June 3, 2008 4:35 PM
 

adogg said:

Its not a very good one, it works in kc, but down here in drexel, it doesnt have enough juice to recieve a signal, just static.
June 3, 2008 4:35 PM
 

Roberto said:

Thunderstorms developing, line from Platte City to Lawrence to Emporia.
June 3, 2008 4:36 PM
 

homemom said:

Quick downpour in Smithville...HUGE drops!!  Just hoping for rain, NOTHING more!!
June 3, 2008 4:37 PM
 

VdoManZ said:

wow...watching the storms explode (grow)  before my eyes...
June 3, 2008 4:39 PM
 

nastyweather said:

I see that line you're talking about from Platte City down to just east of Emporia.  Basically parallel to I-35.  And now to hurry up and wait!
June 3, 2008 4:40 PM
 

nitesky said:

Just big, puffy clouds in hot, muggy Shawnee.
June 3, 2008 4:41 PM
 

bewild79 said:

I took a big deep breath.......ok kinda worked..  I am going to my sisters house soon.  They have a basement since parents are out of town.  The problem is over there I dont think they have wireless internet for my laptop and that is all I have.
June 3, 2008 4:45 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

its always interesting when watching the radar to see the mode change...indicates the beginning of convective initiation.
June 3, 2008 4:46 PM
 

kvluvalcsens said:

I have a question, My family and I live in a townhome on the end and there is no basementand no inner walls safe enough is it ok to go in the utility closet with the one wall going towards the garage and the other cement along with the hot water tank and funace as well?  
June 3, 2008 4:46 PM
 

shoedog said:

What site are you seeing the storms pop.  I guess I now see on NWS on short range loop, is there a better one?
June 3, 2008 4:47 PM
 

Kelly said:

I am on NWS radar. Interesting to watch the development.

Kelly
June 3, 2008 4:49 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

just talked to my mom and husband and both said they had no idea anything was suppose to happen. i think if anything does a lot of people will be caught off guard
June 3, 2008 4:49 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

shoedog, there are a slew of free radar sites on the web...most do atleast a fair job...
June 3, 2008 4:49 PM
 

Roberto said:

kvluvalcsens: i do't quite understand your question. if the utility closet is on the lowest floor with no windows, it would probably be the safest place.
June 3, 2008 4:51 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Cap still has not fully eroded yet..that storm near Lawson is having a bit of a hard time...
June 3, 2008 4:52 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Well --- This cell forming JUST south of Lawrence has my attention - along with the one just south of that one. These things if they develop will be into the Kansas City area or near by around 5:45 to 6:00 PM
June 3, 2008 4:53 PM
 

kvluvalcsens said:

It's just it's also on the outside of the house but the wall that is on the ouside of it is cement so I'm hoping that it would still be safe but thanks for answering
June 3, 2008 4:54 PM
 

Emmysmom said:

Can someone send the link to see this radar?
June 3, 2008 4:55 PM
 

shoedog said:

foodl3:

I am not seeing that on NWS loop, where are you seeing the cells?  which radar site.  I  also look at weatherunderground and Accuweater
June 3, 2008 5:00 PM
 

Roberto said:

June 3, 2008 5:01 PM
 

KellyHightower said:

kcluvalsens where is the bathroom?  Is it on the lowest floor?  Or make friends with the people in the middle townhome and take an ice chest full of drinky drinks to share while watching the weather...  
June 3, 2008 5:03 PM
 

Roberto said:

June 3, 2008 5:04 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

These things are really struggling to hold together - I don't think they will be strong until after they get past the metro and east.
June 3, 2008 5:06 PM
 

simplykristi said:

An interior hallway or closet will do as long as it is on the lowest level of your home.

Kristi
June 3, 2008 5:06 PM
 

simplykristi said:

One of the storm chasers on SevereStudios.com is on the KS Turnpike right now.

Kristi
June 3, 2008 5:10 PM
 

Zazel said:

Yeah Kristi, I thought I recognized the toll booth.
June 3, 2008 5:12 PM
 

Roberto said:

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June 3, 2008 5:13 PM
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