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HIGH RISK TODAY

Good Thursday morning bloggers,

The Storm Prediction Center has just placed Kansas City in a HIGH RISK!

 

This is our first and only high risk we will likely have this year.  A major outbreak of severe thunderstorms and tornadoes is likely today, but we are still on the edge of this, with our best chance coming in after sunset, more likely closer to midnight.  Nothing has changed from our thinking of the past day or so.  We are still going to have to wait and see how this evolves today.  I would have placed the high risk a bit farther west, but there is a chance that an overnight raging line could make it to our local region.  So, the area from Wichita to Salina, north into Nebraska is still the most likely area for the evening outbreak of severe weather.

It is going to be a very windy, warm, and muggy day.  A powerful storm, for this time of the year, is spinning over the western part of the nation.  The energy from this storm will be ejecting out into the plains later this afternoon and into tonight.  Severe thunderstorms will likely break out.  There is a very strong cap being produced by the storm.  This is warm air aloft that will prevent the air below the cap from breaking through until the cap weakens.  This is forecast to happen late this afternoon or evening.  It could take a while as the cap is strong.  How can you see the cap? There are different ways.  You can look at soundings of the atmosphere from around the region, but a good way for me to show you the cap is on the two maps below:

The first map, above, shows how warm aloft it is.  These two maps are forecasts valid at 1 PM and 4 PM this afternoon.  The 15 degree C isotherm in the darkest orange color is a layer of very warm air aloft and it will be almost impossible for thunderstorms to form, unless it were to warm up to over 100 degrees this afternoon, which won't happen here.  But, look at the map below.  As the storm approaches, cooler air will spread in from the west and southwest at this level.  Eastern Kansas is still heavily capped, but the cap is breaking over central Kansas later this afternoon. Thunderstorms should explode, once the cap breaks.  This warm air aloft could still pose some problems for the thunderstorms as they approach our area, but once they form we will have a better idea of how they will track.

Once the cap breaks, thunderstorms will become extremely strong, with supercells likely producing tornadoes, and very large hail.  The most likely spot is near the Nebraska border northward, initially, but then the line could build down to the Oklahoma border and make a move towards us later this evening. 

We will update the blog later today.  Meteorologist Brett Anthony will be tracking these developments with new data on our Midday newscast at 11 AM.

Gary

Published Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:57 AM by glezak

Comments

 

us66bill said:

Gary, are the thunderstorms breaking out to our southwest the beginning of the cap erosion and will those storms grow?
June 5, 2008 8:09 AM
 

sgariety said:

Gary & team...

I know you cant say with any certainty, BUT, we are planning on having a Garage Sale (on the driveway) tomorrow, when do you think the rain will be out of here?

Should I worry about getting up early, or sleeping in on my birthday :-)

Thanks, Stacey
June 5, 2008 8:09 AM
 

Mammatus said:

Gary, storms are forming in central Kansas. Not big ones but im curious as to why these are forming. They have broken thru the cap.
June 5, 2008 8:12 AM
 

spotter said:

gary enjoy the maps and information right now st joseph is getting a lite shower what will this do to the weather setup today and what do you think are the high risk areas.
June 5, 2008 8:13 AM
 

sertorius said:

Gary:

Sorry, just me again-I guess I have lost my rock!!! LOL

A couple other random observations:

1. A small cluster of showers/thundershowers has developed just North of Wichita and are quickly racing North East-not sure how high they are or if anything is even reaching the ground but there is also quite a decent cloud deck from Salina to Topeka this morning and Lawrence is about to go all clouds. Wonder what role these clouds and spotty showers will play?

2. It also appears that there is some development on the satelite west of this cloud deck and I'm not sure about this, but there seems to be a bit of spin over Salina this morning. On the 12Z surface charts, the surface low is still just SE of Goodland as it was on 10Z so not sure-prob. just seeing things!!!!

3. On the 12Z surface charts, I think one can see a dry line froming as there are some 52 degrees dew points in far Wetsern Kansas and some close to 70 just east of Dodge City

4. It also appears that the ULL (again, that spin today is just flat out cool!!!) is beginning to dive a bit into Northern Arizona-will be interesting to track the path of this this morning!!!

Just some other random observations-not sure if any are on the mark or not-am I ever on the mark LOL!!! Oh, there's my rock!!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Those showers/thunderstorms are above the cap, but an indication of where the cap may break later today.  On big severe weather days, I like to see where the morning convection forms, even if it is capped.

Gary

June 5, 2008 8:15 AM
 

Wahoo said:

BTW, I'm a little late but we had 4.1" of rain from the Tues overnight storms in Eastern Shawnee, 69th & Larsen.
June 5, 2008 8:17 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Ok so were the forcast models off?  Are we in the thick of it for tornados?   I am not freaking out (yet), I just need to know cuz I don't have a basement and if I should be going somewhere else and spending the night, I want to start making plans.
Thank you for all you do Gary and the team!!!
Becky
June 5, 2008 8:18 AM
 

johnmarr said:

gary yesterday you thought  the highest risk area was way out west what has changed

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Nothing has changed. We have a chance of severe weather, but it still looks the same to me.  I would have placed the high risk a bit farther west, but there is a chance that the thunderstorms will organize and rage in here overnight, which would produce widespread severe weather.  So, we have to pay close attention.

Gary

June 5, 2008 8:19 AM
 

Mammatus said:

KCwxguy   Where are u at??? Curious if you could post some of the Crav/Sig and Tornado mask maps if you get time. Can't get them here at work...AARGHH    
Will be a crazy day I believe. Leaving at 3PM to Chase.
June 5, 2008 8:22 AM
 

juba said:

Weird, a slight risk to a HIGH risk, I, I, thats just weird. What do you think is the main threat w/ these storms? Beacuse if we're in a high risk it will say everything is probobly likeley! Thanks, Juba.
June 5, 2008 8:25 AM
 

twister11 said:

i am really puzzled. I see showers forming in Eastern Kansas, I thought there was a very strong cap?

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These are high based showers/thunderstorms forming above the cap with little threat of doing anything.

Gary

June 5, 2008 8:25 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Even if we don't get the severeweather, with tornados, will we still be in for  aton of rain farther south and east (Warrensburg/Holden/Kingsville)?  Or are the storms possibly going to completely miss us altogether?
June 5, 2008 8:27 AM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

I cut this part out from an article on TWC. It is about our weather today. I sounds like we might be on the bottom part of the treat area here in KC.

Areas at greatest risk for severe thunderstorms and tornadoes include eastern South Dakota, central and eastern Nebraska, eastern Kansas, northern Missouri, much of Iowa, much of Minnesota and western Wisconsin. This includes such cities as Kansas City, Omaha, Sioux Falls, Des Moines, and Minneapolis.

Tornadoes, damaging winds, large hail, and torrential downpours appear likely in these areas, with the potential for several tornadoes and widespread wind damage.

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As usual, The Weather Channel is way behind and out of touch for our region. I can't stand it when we quote TWC.   Oh, well, I will get over it.

Gary

June 5, 2008 8:30 AM
 

grumpyred said:

When you say just west of KC, how far?  

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I put it in the blog.  Wichita to Salina, into Nebraska.  We will have to pay close attention to this developing situation.

Gary

June 5, 2008 8:32 AM
 

pilotskcx said:

Gary,

We're planning on rolling on these out of KC by 11 or noon unless something changes.

Jeremy wanted me to check in here with you.  You should have an email from me sent last night with our cell #'s.

We'll probably start somewhere in Central KS and move NE then back down towards KC in an arc depending on where things start to blow up.

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I did get your numbers!  We will try to stay in touch.  These supercells today should move northeast at 50 mph, which will make chasing difficult.  Good luck.

Gary

June 5, 2008 8:39 AM
 

sertorius said:

Gary:

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond this morning-I know you are incredibly busy!!!

That makes perfect sense!!! I would think (and as always, these are thoughts of a Latin/History teacher so put on that grain o salt meter!!) that if you drew a chute from Wichita to just west of Topeka into Nebraska, that is where to look for rapid development this afternoon. These early showers are tracking in that chute as we speak and there are even a few more trying to develop on the south side of Wichita.

Also, along that thought, the 12Z RUC shows the cap really giving way by about 21Z in that area. I guess the next question would be, if they do indeed pop in that chute, how will they move and how will they stay together. I would think based on this morning, they would race North East until the front/energy gets closer and pushes everything more east. I also still wonder what role the cloud cover will play today and also notice that at 8:30 the sat. image shows that ULL moving into N. Arizona. Finally, at 13Z, that surface low has not really budged much at all since 10Z!!! What a fascinating day!!!!

As always, just some random observations from a History/Latin teacher-take with a massive grain of salt!!!!

Thanks again Gary and have a great day-I will have my eyes to the sky at Lone Star this afternoon!!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Bill,

Yes, this will be a fascinating day.  I am certain there will be tornadoes over central Kansas today, bur for us?  There are still more unanswered questions.  We will know more in a few hours.

Gary

June 5, 2008 8:54 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Oh - I keep forgetting to ask this.  I haven't been following closely the LRC to see if it's still happening -- but does anyone remember back in the winter the huge snow storm that was bulls eying us for over a foot of snow widespread in the area, and more in spots?  Then when it got closer, there was a dry socket.

Can the types of storms expected for this evening get "dry sockets?"  Would this predicted storm coincide with the one that was predicted over the winter?  And could it just dissipate, split and go away?  Or do warmer weather systems not act the same as winter?

It was just athough -- to my dumb mind, it makes sense to me!
June 5, 2008 8:57 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

I can't believe what I have woken up to this morning.
June 5, 2008 8:58 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

And I'll say again in case you guys didn't see it a few months ago when I said it - my name HummerSeeker is with regard to my love for HUMMINGBIRDS!  It's not the other alterative that my husband had to explain to me - so get your minds out of the gutter!!!!  :)
June 5, 2008 8:58 AM
 

grumpyred said:

Gary, my bad, sorry. I posted before I read blog.  - heard update as walking out the door and heard just west of KC.  Was thinking ust west was my area.  Laura<---paranoid chicken
June 5, 2008 8:58 AM
 

twister11 said:

at 50 mph, the storms will be booking it!

Gary, are the storms expected to move northerly, than easterly? I have seen a lot of times when this happens, that is a horrible movement. It causes lots of flooding, and the same places keep getting hit. If this is the case, wouldnt you expect our threat to be lessened?
June 5, 2008 9:04 AM
 

twister11 said:

well from what I can infer about the latest run is it does give us more precip than the previous runs. upwards of an inch.
June 5, 2008 9:07 AM
 

JPnKC said:

Gary,Those High based showers in Central Ks have to be going close to 50 mph to the NE- wow! Chasing will be very difficult and maybe dangerous today...
June 5, 2008 9:12 AM
 

littleladybugs said:

gary i first wanted to say my girls had a blast meeting you and stormy  a few weeks ago! that is all they talk about~ thanks for letting her do some tricks with her~ she carries the stormy stuffed animal every wehre now!

what are you thinking as far as severe weatehr in the platte county area like towards farley???
June 5, 2008 9:16 AM
 

Erin said:

A family member once told me that tornados always move in a northeastern pattern.  Is that correct?  If so, why is that?  
I would LOVE to go chasing some day but today, I am entertaining four children under the age of 6.  I guess I will be "chasing" in a different way today :)
June 5, 2008 9:18 AM
 

khansen said:

I posted last night, but did not really see any response to my question... I'm still curious, what does the team think about a drive down towards the Rolla, MO area (Richland) tomorrow between noon and 4? Is it looking particularly dangerous right now, or does it look like the line of storms will be dying out once it reaches that point during the morning hours? I've been trying to look at NOAA's forecast for this area, but it appears that it's coming out of Springfield, so I'm not sure how accurate that is for Richland since that is about an hour and a half to the northeast of there....? Thanks in advance! - MK
June 5, 2008 9:21 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Any thoughts on how good of chance the northland has for tornados out of this?
Becky
June 5, 2008 9:23 AM
 

Zazel said:

From what I can tell, it looks like the ULL is predicted to move a bit more NE than the NNE that was previously thought.  This would place it over NE Nebraska by tomorrow morning, instead of over central SD putting us closer to its influence.  Whatever the case, Gary you've definitely got a pair in being the only one I know who's still thinking we may not get any significant severe weather.  As a general rule I always take you at your word, but man, there's so much chatter out there today along with data, etc. that it's hard to believe you are going to be the one who is correct.  ~ Dave
June 5, 2008 9:23 AM
 

subby64735 said:

Erin: Not all the time.  Actually, many occasions, the tornado will take a turn to the South or South East towards more rich (humid, warmer) atmosphere.  They can also follow a due east route as well.  This is why it is extremely important to be alert even if you think the storm will pass to your north.  They can change routes in a blink of an eye.  Jim in Clinton.
June 5, 2008 9:26 AM
 

Zazel said:

Erin, someone posted this link previously:

http://www.tornadoproject.com/myths/myths.htm

Perhaps today is a good day for review.  Heh.  Tornados don't always move from SW to NE although that is the predominant direction of movement.  I don't have the precise answer of why they move from SW to NE but I'd imagine it's based on the dynamics of the low pressure system that caused the storm, along with the movement of lows being, in general, from west to east across the US.  Perhaps someone who is more educated on the topic can give you a substantial answer.  ~ Dave
June 5, 2008 9:30 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

I know we have more than enough to worry about in and around the viewing area, but I'm also very worried about my family, who live in Lincoln, NE.  Gary, do you think Lincoln has a higher chance of bad, possibly tornadic activity than we do?
June 5, 2008 9:35 AM
 

Grambo624 said:

I would like to say that if our threat is later in the evening toward midnight, that the chance for tornadoes, would be decreased, but with all the after-dark tornado warnings this week alone, I do not know what to think.
It appears Gary may be wavering on his opinion from last night...we will have to wait and see.

Brian in downtown Lee's Summit
 
June 5, 2008 9:38 AM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

Heading to Wichita in about an hour. Hopefully see some nice storms.

I just dont like the storms moving at 50mph, that may be an issue.
June 5, 2008 9:39 AM
 

angvic00 said:

Gary,

LOL!  This is in response to your reply about TWC;)  I use to mainly watch it when I lived on the East Coast but now that I'm here I NEVER do:)  You and your team do a MUCH better job covering what's happening in this area.
June 5, 2008 9:40 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Hey Hail,
Hows it goin?
June 5, 2008 9:42 AM
 

Roberto said:

I just got up, checked the SPC's website to see the high risk I thought would be issued out west, and then...this??? It looks like the main threat is damaging winds: 60% of damaging winds within 25 miles of a point! This is crazy...
June 5, 2008 9:49 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I am surprised that KC is in the High Risk area.

I am not concerned about the tornado threat for KC.  I am more concerned about the wind and hail potential.  I would not be surprised if we have a bow echo move thru much like we did in the wee hours of May 2nd.  

It will be interesting to see how today evolves.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 9:49 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I don't ever watch TWC.  I find the internet a better resource since I can watch live feeds in local areas during severe weather events.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 9:50 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Tornadoes can move in any direction.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 9:52 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

i dont think gary has changed his opinion. last night he said that we had severe weather chance after dark. i think he is still sticking to that. today in itself will be very interesting to watch and see how everything sets up!
June 5, 2008 9:55 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Kristi, do you know the "SPC" website address?  Thanks!
June 5, 2008 9:56 AM
 

twister11 said:

Good late morning Kristi
June 5, 2008 9:56 AM
 

Luthur said:

June 5, 2008 9:58 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

THank you Luthur!
June 5, 2008 10:01 AM
 

Mammatus said:

The Tornado threat may continue well into Friday morning. Remember, this isn't your ordinary Spring storm. Its an extremely powerful storm with way more heat and humidity to work with than say in March or April. There is a chance Supercells will form way out ahead of the main event along the dryline too in eastern Kansas. Thats why the high risk is into western Missouri. There is really no reason to discredit the Tornado threat this evening/overnight until this evening.
A LARGE UPPER LEVEL STORM SYSTEM WILL LIFT OUT OF THE FOUR CORNERS
REGION LATER TODAY. A LARGE LAYER OF WARM AIR ALOFT WILL PERSIST
ACROSS THE OUTLOOK AREA THROUGH THE LATE AFTERNOON HOURS WHICH WILL
SUPPRESS THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY FOR MUCH OF THE DAY. THERE IS A
POTENTIAL BY EARLY EVENING THAT THIS WARM LAYER MAY ERODE JUST ENOUGH
TO ALLOW ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS TO DEVELOP ACROSS PORTIONS OF
NORTHWESTERN MISSOURI AND IN AREAS ALONG THE MISSOURI KANSAS BORDER.
DUE TO THE HIGH VOLUME OF INSTABILITY IN THE ATMOSPHERE...THESE
STORMS MAY BECOME STRONG TO SEVERE...WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR LARGE
HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS AND ISOLATED TORNADOES.

June 5, 2008 10:02 AM
 

altheasus said:

HummerSeeker: I assumed you like Hummer trucks
June 5, 2008 10:07 AM
 

MikeL said:

I sure hope the cap holds strong today and this evening because if it doesn't it's going to get real ugly, real fast.

Mike in SW Topeka

June 5, 2008 10:08 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Ok so I need to go where there will be a basement later this evening?
June 5, 2008 10:08 AM
 

juba said:

D AA B A, C D
June 5, 2008 10:09 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

becky- i would go just in case. i know its an inconvenience but better safe than sorry. even if we dont have tornadoes, high winds can be a threat so a basement would be safe for that too.
June 5, 2008 10:10 AM
 

BranDan9 said:

So Gary what are the chances of the spc lowered our risk to a slight or moderate.
June 5, 2008 10:12 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

I am so pissed off right now I wanna hit something or somebody. My Large freaking burger king coke just spilled all over my damn car. ....I'm Pissed
June 5, 2008 10:15 AM
 

cilkman said:

Gary

Will the National Weather Service likely issue a PDS today for our area???
The setup seems like it could have the potential to warrant this.

Thanks!

June 5, 2008 10:15 AM
 

bewild79 said:

C,
Its not an inconvenience to me.  I am a fraidy cat with this stuff.  My sisters house has wireless so I can stay in touch with yall here.  I just panic and I don't want to make a mistake protecting (or trying to) the kids.  People may laugh at me for it but I would rather be safe.
Becky
June 5, 2008 10:16 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

Bran..Gary doesn't have a clue what the SPC will do. he didn't know they were going to do this. they do off the wall things sometimes. and you don't know what they are going to do. Gary just makes his own predictions.
June 5, 2008 10:17 AM
 

adogg said:

So, here in drexel, do we looks to be dodging a bullet, or are we close enough to the high risk area to get severe weather??? Its really been quite a boring year here, winter and spring!
June 5, 2008 10:17 AM
 

simplykristi said:

M,
It is my opinion and I just don't agree with the tornado threat for KC right now.  I am only talking about metro KC area.  If I said Topeka and west and north of there, I would be concerned about the potential for tornadoes (which I  am).  But I feel that the greatest risk for tornadoes is across northern KS, NE,m and SD.  Maybe I will change my mind later.  But right now I am sticking to my original thinking.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:17 AM
 

kcweather said:

That's a pretty good low level jet developing in central KS.  
June 5, 2008 10:18 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Becky,
Just have a plan of action in place just in case.  We all need to!

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:19 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

cilkman we will just have to wait and see we can't predict what the national weather service will do. we know there is a threat of tornadoes today. we know there is a better threat out west. There might be a PDS issued but it's too early to tell since our area should not be affected until later this evening.
June 5, 2008 10:20 AM
 

Matt P said:

HailJonathan, chill on the language.  "sucks" and p*ssed just aren't acceptable words in public nor on the blog.
June 5, 2008 10:20 AM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

I agree with you C. Becky, make some plans now and you'll know more more later. Wish I had that option. Hubby isn't concerned by bad weather.
June 5, 2008 10:20 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

i am the exact same way. i hate this weather but also very interested by it all. that is good she has wireless. i dont think anyone would laugh at you for that at all. its amazing how when you have kids those fears you had before just intensify  
June 5, 2008 10:21 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

hail- i dont think they do things off they way. they are trained just like gary just have a different opinion that should be noted too.
June 5, 2008 10:24 AM
 

kamom said:

Ok I have a question...What are the chances of a tornado actually hitting your house? Any percentage chances I have seen are for large areas. I have always wondered.
June 5, 2008 10:25 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

then why did you just repeat them matt?
June 5, 2008 10:26 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Gary does not map out the watches....  For severe weather potential, please follow the SPC (Storm Prediction Center) website at http://www.spc.noaa.gov/  To track any warnings go to:  http://kamala.cod.edu/svr/  We are Kansas City/Pleasant Hill.  There are various places you can view radar.  I prefer the radar at WeatherUnderground:  http://www.wunderground.com/  It's free and easy to use.  Dxwtracker has a great radar site:  http://weather.kskoellers.com/radar/radarlocal.php  

I will be around from now until I go to bed to monitor things.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:27 AM
 

bewild79 said:

C,
Yes, every fear gets bigger cuz I just want to see my kids grow up.

Lorie,
My hubby isn't concerned either but he is out of town so its my call :)  He kinda laughs at me for being so scared of the bad storms.

Becky
June 5, 2008 10:28 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

hail i think his point is that kids do read this blog and we dont want our childern seeing words like that, so just accept they were not warranted.
June 5, 2008 10:28 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Lorie,
You are in a slight risk for severe weather.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:28 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

lorie and becky do we have the same husbands, haha! mine is the one that likes to watch what is going on while i am in the closet yelling at him to come back in!
-courtney
June 5, 2008 10:30 AM
 

simplykristi said:

One more thing....

If anyone has any questions about the terminology used on those pages, please feel free to ask questions!

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:30 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

I'm monitoring Central KS very closely.
June 5, 2008 10:30 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Kristi,
yea I have one....go hide! jk. I am going to pay attention all day and decide later what I am gonna do.
Becky
June 5, 2008 10:32 AM
 

farmgirl said:

Well I am scared to death. Still got damage from Monday's low risk storm. Only slept a few hours last night. Got no finger nails left.

Extremly worried about my barn roof completly coming off. Had several roofers out yesterday for the house with estimates.... insurance adjuster is still no where to be seen. Got to get this stuff fixed asap. Can't stand the stress of the house or barn getting ruined even worse!
June 5, 2008 10:33 AM
 

nastyweather said:

Yet again another day of waiting and watching the radar.  I'm not sure if some people might down play the high wind factor, but we could have some extensive damage in KC with 60+mph winds.
June 5, 2008 10:35 AM
 

twister11 said:

new model coming out.
June 5, 2008 10:36 AM
 

twister11 said:

new model coming out.
June 5, 2008 10:36 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

farmgirl
this could still turn out to be a bust for the kc metro area. worry is a useless emotion. I know you've had a tough time this year but you have to try and calm down. this is definitely one of those times where it either will or it won't kind of situations. not a definite around here okay.
June 5, 2008 10:37 AM
 

wrdeming said:

One request- let's not start anything between bloggers today, gentlemen.  Let's keep the comments weather-related.  

I realize I don't post often, but I do read the blog consistently.  Although there is always a chance that a tornado could track into our immediate metro area, my "gut feeling" at this point is similar to Kristi's thoughts.  North and West of Topeka should keep a close eye out, and areas north of us, towards the Nebraska border should watch as well.  At this point, the main brunt of this storm I think will track to the North side of the viewing area.  Or main concern should be more rain, heightened flood stages and waters, and hail.  I could be completely off base- please respond if you like.

Will
June 5, 2008 10:38 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Becky,
Smart girl. :)  You know that a lot of us will keep you updated.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:38 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

i think from my observations everything will stay west of kc. the cap will never erode in the kc area for major storms.
June 5, 2008 10:38 AM
 

twister11 said:

it just looks so bad north and west of here, my sister is in Omaha, and she freaks out from storms. and she will be at work!
June 5, 2008 10:39 AM
 

simplykristi said:

For the immediate metro Kansas City area, I think that straight line winds are the biggest threat.  I say anywhere west of Emporia and Topeka and Hiawatha and then on to Nebraska the areas of greatest concern for tornadoes.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:41 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Ya know, sometimes I want to worry a little and I don't like being told not to. I can't control the weather but I can sure be concerned and honestly, why do we need to know what people spill in the blog?
Jeri...at work, tired of unpacking and tired of storms
June 5, 2008 10:41 AM
 

Jaygirl said:

Kristi,

You seem to be a wealth of knowledge!  What are your thoughts about Lawrence later today?

Thanks!

Sharon in Lawrence

ps My grandmother's house was hit on April 26, 1991.  After that I had new found respect for tornadoes.
June 5, 2008 10:41 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Tyker,
I am concerned for folks up in northern KS and NE.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:42 AM
 

wrdeming said:

Nasty,

You bring up a good point.  Gladstone got hit pretty good early last month because of the straight-line winds.  Never under-estimate the power of mother nature- period.

Will
June 5, 2008 10:42 AM
 

Luthur said:

"Worry is a useless emotion." Hail Jon

Amen.  Be prepared and have a plan always.  Beyond that, everything else is out of your control.  Unless, of course, you angered your neighbor who just happens to be a witch.  I think besides Mama Nature, witches are the only ones that can bring about tornados.
June 5, 2008 10:42 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

new meso out for nebraska for tornado watch
June 5, 2008 10:44 AM
 

Matt P said:

HailJonathan, just pointing them out.  They're both considered pretty vulgar.
June 5, 2008 10:44 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

matt it's over and done with
June 5, 2008 10:45 AM
 

nastyweather said:

I don't like to join in the word fights, but I think we're getting a little heavy handed with what people say.  I have a young child and would agree I don't want him reading some of the stuff on here.  However, the words said are no worse than what's on regular TV and unfortunately are children are exposed worse language, regardless of our best intentions.  Anyway, as long as you're not cussing and using obvious offensive language and sound half-way professional I don't care what you write.
June 5, 2008 10:45 AM
 

wrdeming said:

What are the new models showing?

Will
June 5, 2008 10:46 AM
 

bellgolf08 said:

checking in from sedalia. looks like it could be fun. i dont think we should discount the tornado situation b/c of the other night when the springfield NWS had numerous tornado warnings after midnight!! its one of those things i tell people when they as me what the weather is going to be--just be on your guard all day!!!
June 5, 2008 10:47 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

Lol luthor
June 5, 2008 10:47 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Everyone ready?  Pack a lunch for my thoughts below…LOL

First of many thoughts/observations today...

We will start with a quick question, then quick gripe then get to the analysis.

Gary - with this "Those showers/thunderstorms are above the cap, but an indication of where the cap may break later today.  On big severe weather days, I like to see where the morning convection forms, even if it is capped."

As I am learning, if these storms are above the cap, as these storms track, would the precip falling help drop the temps of the 700mb a bit thus weakening the cap, thus validating your statement?

Is that your line of thinking?

Also...this is a communication thing that drives me nuts.  Last night's blog that says -
"This much energy ejecting out into the plains on Thursday has to end up with tornadic thunderstorms, but NOT for our viewing area. "  

Then we get the following morning - ..."but there is a chance that the thunderstorms will organize and rage in here overnight, which would produce widespread severe weather."..

And the clincher - "Nothing has changed. We have a chance of severe weather, but it still looks the same to me."

Huh?

Many people are waking up today thinking there is no chance of severe weather in the area because of what they read or heard last night….

Probably splitting hairs..but I wondered after seeing that statement last night how quickly it would change.  

Pretty quick.  I guess when the SPC puts out a high risk, it causes rapid changes in maybe not so much the thinking - which  - Gary - you have been very consistent, but how things are communicated.

This is very much a meso/micro scale analysis today...

Here is what the RUC is advertising along with a couple other parameters in other composites...

First thing of interest…and along with the potential mentioned via the NWS/SPC, a possible line ahead of the main line…

http://ruc.noaa.gov/disp2.cgi?/w3/rapb/plots_13km_dev/.//+sa5_ppt+am+12

Not sure I buy this with the cloud cover and the cap progs, but maybe if the upper air can reach out a bit further than currently shown.

Here is the main show…

http://ruc.noaa.gov/disp2.cgi?/w3/rapb/plots_13km_bu/.//+sa+am+21 – about 1AM – um..really doesn’t look that much weakened.  Give or take an hour or so..so I will be looking at parameters 03-06z.

So, lets look at the parameters in the timeframe of the line/squall…03z - 06z

http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CENTRAL_ETA212_ATMOS_STP_15HR.gif - this is the NAM view of the sig_tor_param at 03z

Not to be a NAM snob, here is the WRF  -http://grib2.com/wrf/NW1_WRF_ATMOS_STP_27HR.gif

Here is the GFS three hours later… http://wxcaster4.com/gfs/CENTRAL_GFS_ATMOS_STP_30HR.gif

Ok..so, its likely the lower level sheer and veering will be supportive.  So, what is the storm mode?  Supercellular, quasi linear, or squall?

Here is the SCP parameters from the NAM, WRF and GFS.  SCP is Supercell Composite Parameter…

http://wxcaster4.com/nam/CENTRAL_ETA212_ATMOS_SCP_15HR.gif
http://grib2.com/wrf/NW1_WRF_ATMOS_SCP_27HR.gif
http://wxcaster4.com/gfs/CENTRAL_GFS_ATMOS_SCP_30HR.gif

No need to look at sig_svr as we know it will be wild.

Ok, so based on this stuff, I would say that more toward the tail or south end of the line it would be more supercellular toward SE KS/OK, though for this area, the parameters favor veering and imbedded supercells.

So, right now, we are under ridiculous cap.  My concern is that the 500mb vort max rounds the trough overhead at 06z based on SREF progs with 80kt SW deep upper air support.

In addition, the SREF brings 700mb temps to about 10 C at 00-03z..thus breaking the cap along with the 500mb vort streaming overhead.  

I wonder about what will form ahead of the main line.  This is the biggest question I have.  I can get my arms around the quasi squall, but it is what forms ahead that is the biggest question.

More to come when we get closer.
June 5, 2008 10:48 AM
 

bewild79 said:

well said Nasty!
June 5, 2008 10:48 AM
 

bones2121 said:

Good morning all!!

It looks like things are going to be a real mess later today... I will be watching things all day as well.

Hey kristi? Have you ever heard of, seen or used SwiftWX?
June 5, 2008 10:49 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Sharon,
Since you are east of Topeka, I feel that Lawrence will get straight line winds and hail.  There could be a slight risk for a tornado.  But the greater tornado risk is to the west of Topeka.  I don't anticipate any weather in your area until after 9 PM.

I will keep monitoring the weather.

Right now there is no severe weather within 125 miles of KC.  There is some severe weather between Grand Island and omaha Nebraska.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:50 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

hail i think it is very nice of you to try to calm peoples fear. I also feel like when someone already has had damage to a house from this situation it is a normal reaction to fear it happening again. it is a huge pain to get stuff fixed and issue of working with insurance. so even if you it is useless its not always nice to tell someone who has had such damage.  also when you have kids it is a very normal emotion to have no matter if it is useless.

jeri-agree

twister- i hope you sister stays out of the storms, its hard to be away from home when stuff like that happens.

i am worried about the winds also. I think wind and hail will be our big threat.
June 5, 2008 10:51 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Bones,
Is it free?  If so, link please. :)

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:52 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

Scott! I love your analysis!
June 5, 2008 10:52 AM
 

RDub said:

If you look at the info Gary posted a while back, the chances are very small. The amount of land within 20 miles of the metro affected by a tornado over the course of 20 years is something like 0.01% to 0.03%. So the chances are very low that your house will see a tornado within the next 20 years, and much lower than your house will see a tornado on any given day.
June 5, 2008 10:53 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

Okay I give up...I'm out I don't have time for this Goodbye all!
June 5, 2008 10:53 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

scott was wondering where you were, love the post, always like hearing your analysis
June 5, 2008 10:54 AM
 

bones2121 said:

Question for every one? What is the best quikest place to get the current weather data? This is what I use,

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/

June 5, 2008 10:54 AM
 

simplykristi said:

C,
I have had damage around my house from storms.  I admit that I get a bit nervous when I see bad weather coming...  That wall cloud was scary.  What did I do?  Stayed on the computer and monitored conditions outside.  Tonight I will probably head to my basement to monitor things from there since it will be dark out and I won't be able to see anything.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:55 AM
 

ShawneeMike said:

I've already sent a "be on the lookout" for all my family in Des Moines, NW Missouri, Omaha, AND Sioux City---that's just amazing that all those points are all touched by the high risk area.....
June 5, 2008 10:57 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Rdub - stats are great, and in general very reflective of the environment, but shouldn't be used to dismiss the potential.

High risks don't come out very often, and setups like this are not common in June.  Ask folks in Greensburg or Parkersburg about the odds of getting hit...and they have signficantly less square mileage reducing their odds even further...

;-)

That said, it is something that just needs to be monitored.  I do not favor arguments really either way as to likelihood as it can be strongly argued either way, but what cannot be argued and what everyone can agree to is to be aware and prepared.
June 5, 2008 10:57 AM
 

RDub said:

I think I mis-spoke, the 0.01% chance is any one year. It's still 1 in 10,000, a very low probabilty per year.
June 5, 2008 10:58 AM
 

bones2121 said:

kristi,

No its not free, its a monthly $14.50 but trust me! Its well worth it in my opinion!!
Its what I have always use.

http://www.swiftwx.com/

I also should point out that the creator of this is a retired NOAA meta geek and chaser..
June 5, 2008 10:58 AM
 

grumpyred said:

I am riddled with useless emotions right now. lol  I have family in Emporia and salina.  Not to mention worries about me!!!  Waiting for 11:00 forecast then we will head out.  Taking scanner and have the counties we will be in programmed.  Hopefully things go smooth and will be back under the bed before anything hits.  Stay safe e1.  Laura
June 5, 2008 10:58 AM
 

Turd Fergenson said:

Today Is film Day. I will be out filming in My location for these storoms to develope around JoCo. Apparntly we are under a High risk and the damaging winds looks Phenominal. 60% and slashes.

Anyway I will head out after the 12:30 Update to see if there are any changes.
June 5, 2008 10:58 AM
 

RDub said:

Scott, someone asked "what is the chance of a tornado hitting your house". That's what I was responding to.
June 5, 2008 10:58 AM
 

Lizbaugh said:

Well said kcwxguy!!
June 5, 2008 10:58 AM
 

Roberto said:

Scott,
  as Jonathon said, well put analysis. There are already MD'S in Nebraska and points north.
June 5, 2008 10:59 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Scott,
Excellent analysis as always.  (I leave all the analysis up to Scott and Bill..  Not my forte.)

Thanks,
Kristi
June 5, 2008 10:59 AM
 

nastyweather said:

Excellent work Scott!  That's the type of informative information I like to see from the this blog.  I'm now curious if Gary's going to give another update soon, because I'm sure the weather team is doing a more thorough analysis with KC being in a high risk area.
June 5, 2008 10:59 AM
 

JPnKC said:

1st PDS Tornado Watch- Eastern half of Nebraska
June 5, 2008 11:00 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Bones,
Thanks for the link!  When I am working again, I will have to sign up for it.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:01 AM
 

Roberto said:

Grumpyred: stay safe, stay calm!
June 5, 2008 11:02 AM
 

Maria said:

PDS issued (mostly in NE)
June 5, 2008 11:02 AM
 

LSGolfer said:

Scott,

What cap number are we in right now?  I haven't been able to look but I'd figure it's up there in the 4000-5000 range.  Am I close?

Jason
June 5, 2008 11:02 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Nastyweather,
Not all of us can analyze like Scott...  I like to track. :)

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:04 AM
 

Maria said:

New Day 1 scheduled within the next 30 minutes...the update should be interesting
June 5, 2008 11:06 AM
 

simplykristi said:

TF,
The severe weather threat for the metro KC area is not until after dark unless you plan to go out to central Kansas.

Laura,
Just make sure family is aware of the potential for severe weather.  Be safe going down to Arma later.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:06 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Can someone please tell me what is said at forcast time?  I am at work and can't watch.  Thanks.
Becky
June 5, 2008 11:07 AM
 

Lillyanya said:

MD out for area just to our north Tornado watch LIKELY!


Wonder if it will be a PDS
June 5, 2008 11:07 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

kristi- i think i will be with the computer in the basement tonight! luckily our main tv room is downstairs. as long as we don't have torrential rain our DISH should stay on. I love have the computer to reference too.

grumpy- sounds like you are prepared, be careful and stay safe.

June 5, 2008 11:09 AM
 

LSMOWatcher said:

So, I should be okay for a jog at about 5pm and a commute home from Lenexa to Lee's Summit after that?
June 5, 2008 11:11 AM
 

f00dl3 said:

I think this Convective Roll / line of showers west of Emporia to Eureka deserves watching. I know we are capped -
June 5, 2008 11:12 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Lilly,
Tornado Watch has been issued for eastern NE, extreme western IA, and part of northern KS (west of Concordia)...  It is a PDS Tornado Watch.

PDS - Particularly Dangerous Situation

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:13 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Yes, LSMOWatcher

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:13 AM
 

nastyweather said:

Kristi thanks a lot for the link, because I'm going to download that software for my BlackJack and try it out.  I already have an excellent weather radar program that cost me $9, but with the GPS tracking and storm reports this will be an excellent tool to have.
June 5, 2008 11:13 AM
 

twister11 said:

wow I was just looking at the NOAA radar, look at those storms just blossom near the four courners.
June 5, 2008 11:14 AM
 

bones2121 said:

Kristi,

I should also point out (especailly for taday/tonight) that the trial of Swift is 100% fully functonial for 30 days, just give them an e-mail address!

No one has answered my question, is this the best place to get the current data?

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/
June 5, 2008 11:15 AM
 

simplykristi said:

C,
I post from two different computers...  Right now I am using my parents computer up in the family room.  Later on tonight, I will post from a pc downstairs.  I need to get my better pcs fixed some day.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:16 AM
 

Lillyanya said:

More MD's going out now.. /sigh.
June 5, 2008 11:17 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

New Dis out for Central Ks.  Goint to be issuing a TW for TOP west.
June 5, 2008 11:18 AM
 

Maria said:

Meso Discussion for Central Kansas:

TSTM INITIATION IS EXPECTED ALONG COLD FRONT NEAR 18Z ACROSS CNTRL
  KS AND INTO NWRN OK THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AS FORCED ASCENT INCREASES
  ALONG BOUNDARY AND CONVECTIVE INHIBITION WEAKENS. AN EXTREMELY
  FAVORABLE THERMODYNAMIC/KINEMATIC ENVIRONMENT SHOULD RESULT IN RAPID
  SUPERCELL DEVELOPMENT INITIALLY...WITH ATTENDANT TORNADO/HAIL/WIND
  THREATS. A TORNADO WATCH WILL BE ISSUED BY 18Z.
 
  16Z SUBJECTIVE SURFACE ANALYSIS PLACES AN 989 MB LOW PRESSURE
  CENTROID INVOF EAR WITH N/S-ORIENTED COLD FRONT STRETCHING INTO
  HARPER COUNTY OK TO A DRY LINE INTERSECTION IN THE NERN TX
  PANHANDLE. CU DEVELOPMENT HAS COMMENCED ALONG THE FRONT INDICATIVE
  OF LARGE-SCALE ASCENT OVERSPREADING THE BOUNDARY AS POTENT SHORT
  WAVE TROUGH EJECTS ACROSS THE CNTRL/SRN ROCKIES. LATEST OBJECTIVE
  ANALYSIS INDICATES THE CAPPING INVERSION RAPIDLY WEAKENING
  ESPECIALLY ACROSS S-CNTRL KS...WITH MLCAPES ALREADY AOA 2500 J/KG.
  KINEMATIC FIELDS ARE INTENSE THROUGH THE LOW/MID-LEVELS...AIDING IN
  EXPECTED SIGNIFICANT TORNADOES/HAIL/DAMAGING WINDS THROUGH THE
  AFTERNOON AS ACTIVITY RAPIDLY SHIFTS EWD. THE LARGEST UNCERTAINTY IS
  HOW QUICKLY THE EVOLUTION OF CONVECTIVE MODE FROM SUPERCELLS TO
  LINE-SEGMENTS SHOULD OCCUR GIVEN THE MERIDIONAL FLOW REGIME ROUGHLY
  PARALLEL TO THE INITIATION BOUNDARY. THIS WILL LIKELY MODULATE THE
  OVERALL SIGNIFICANT TORNADO THREAT VERSUS A SEVERE WIND THREAT LATER
  THIS AFTERNOON.
June 5, 2008 11:18 AM
 

Lillyanya said:

Well time to go get ready to go to the pool

See y'all later.
June 5, 2008 11:18 AM
 

twister11 said:

bones2121, if you are a scott kind of person, then I would say yes, best place to get info.lol But if you are just here to track like me and kristi. then go to noaa.gov. they have everything. and type in your zip to get forecast discussions(scott's thing) or the HWO.
June 5, 2008 11:19 AM
 

simplykristi said:

nastyweather,
That link is from David in Lenexa.  It's a great radar.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:19 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Tyler,
Do you have a link for those storms?

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:20 AM
 

Roberto said:

MD out west: If I calculated my Z time right, it will issued by 1PM, or 18Z. Greater than 95% risk of 10 or more severe hail an wind events, and of 2 or more torrnados up in nebraska.
June 5, 2008 11:20 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

LSGolfer - the numbers you present are more aligned with CAPE values.  If you look at sounding data, it can give you the best indication of the CIN in a given area...

CIN is cap value btw.

http://rucsoundings.noaa.gov/ is my choice, but there are many sounding pages out there.  I like this one as it is hourly based on RUC data.

The SPC has one as well.

To answer your question, the current RUC CIN value is 126.  This is extremely high.

For surface based convection to begin, you really need to start getting under 50, but the closer to zero, the better.

All CIN is  - is the negative convective quadrant inverse to the CAPE.  Another thought as well...people may wonder how storms are forming in central KS with the cap so strong...

Gary answered it earlier, as they are forming above the cap, but due to the strong instability in all sectors of the atmosphere, there is plenty of instability above the cap which is at about 700mb - or roughly 10K ft.

So, these would be called "high based" storms or elevated.  These can be severe as well, but would not carry the tornado threat as the bottom part of the storm is cutoff.

Does that help?
June 5, 2008 11:21 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I am not surprised that there is a meso discussion out for central KS.  I thought that the storms would initiate later this afternoon th (like around 3).  I hope that Dana and her mom get out of Wichita quickly.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:22 AM
 

bones2121 said:

Hey twister! Thanks!

I am kind like both...lol! I try to use that data (like scott) to know better when and were to start tracking (like you and kristi).

If that makes any since!...LOL!
June 5, 2008 11:24 AM
 

simplykristi said:

You are correct, Roberto.

I wish we had a list of handy links for people. :)

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:24 AM
 

twister11 said:

garsh, sorry Kristi not four corners. I am getting ahead of myself here :). They just blew up in the past hour or so near the Oklahoma and Texas panhandle.
June 5, 2008 11:25 AM
 

Carlos3652 said:

umm... it looks like the cap in Central Kansas is getting weak and will be broken prior to what originally planned this morning, as the map above shows the cap still in place by 1pm/4pm... it looks like the cap will be broken by 1pm at this pace... (again, in Central Kansas).

Scott, is our cap still strong (15) or are we getting weaker as well...?
June 5, 2008 11:26 AM
 

f00dl3 said:

Looks like another western Kansas event.
June 5, 2008 11:26 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

I am carefully watching the surface low.  It has initiated a bit further south than I expected, and will make a bit of difference as to where things happen if it continues more southernly..

Will have to watch it.
June 5, 2008 11:27 AM
 

RDub said:

Scott and others...If I'm not mistaken, we only get measured profiles/soundings 1 or 2 times per day, and only from Topeka, not KC. What you are showing is model based. Correct?
June 5, 2008 11:28 AM
 

bewild79 said:

So what did they say on the forcast?  
June 5, 2008 11:28 AM
 

simplykristi said:

For all you chasercam junkies like me:  http://www.severestudios.com/livechase  Chasers are already getting set up.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:28 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Yeah Tyler I was like "What is he talking about?"  Thanks for the clarification!  Are those storms along the cold front or dryline?

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:30 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

Kristi SPC is saying initiation around 1 or so. I TOLD YOU SO! =)
June 5, 2008 11:30 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

foodl3 - really?  I guess the PDS is in the wrong spot...LOL
June 5, 2008 11:30 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

Hailjonathan just to make sure everyone knows thats for C KS
June 5, 2008 11:32 AM
 

sertorius said:

Good late morning to everyone!!! Gary, Brett, Jeff, and Jeremy: How you guys holding up?? I know for sure you guys will be right on top of this and provide the best coverage in the land!!!

Last check in this morning (is that applause I hear LOL!!!!) as I am about to head out to Lone Star-trust me, eyes will be to the sky and the first buisness is plugging in the NOAA radio when we get to the cabin!!!

Some lite showers are tying to enter Western Douglas County right now but are being pretty much squashed-the cap is indeed tough today!! Looking at the 12Z RUC, it appears the cap does begin to slightly weaken around 18Z as 700 temps. begin to slowly fall-at 18Z they are at 12C but the cap is still for sure there-if I am reading this correctly, the max parcel lift is still below the 700 level at 18Z so the cap is still in place albeit slowly eroding. My only thing with this: are the models reading this correctly?? They missed this mornings convection (I think they did??) and cloud cover so they may be a bit off. The other thing: what affect will the clouds have today-we are fully cloudy right now, but it does appear we will clear by 1:00??? So many questions Mr. Spock!!!!!

Scott:

That was my thought as well regarding Gary's response to me this morning-if the convection is going there, it kind of shows the path for later as they should weaken the cap there-there was quite a bit of lightening with those, so they did have some juice upstairs. To me, it is like finding the creek channels in bass fishing-find those, and you find the road maps of the bass. Excellent analysis by you as always kind sir!!!!

Kristy:

Thanks for the kind words-however, I don't even belong in the same universe with Scott!!!! I say just enough to make myself look foolish-remember the animal forecast!!! LOL  I pray for your parents everyday!!!

Have a great afternoon everybody-take care!!!

Bill oh there's my rock again in Lawrence
June 5, 2008 11:33 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Jonathan,
I was wrong....  Sue me. LOL  Seriously, this is initiating a lot quicker than we thought.  Storms are firing in SW KS just east of Dodge City.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:34 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

I am not sold on the model progs for surface low location.  It appears to be a bit further south and I am not sure the warm front is quite as far north as it is progged.

Looking at the sats, I think it is a bit further south....

Just me...

Rdub, yes, the soundings I look at are model based from the RUC.  The RUC is the "Rapid Update Cycle" which is ran from obs more regularly.

Actual balloon soundings are normally twice a day at 0z and 12z, but during severe or active weather, it can be more regular.

*************** Scott, You should go chasing today! Jeremy
June 5, 2008 11:35 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

I'm just kiddin with you Kristi. your gut makes me laugh =)
June 5, 2008 11:35 AM
 

nikieis said:

new meso out for close to metro

AREAS AFFECTED...SRN/ERN NEB INTO SW IA...PARTS OF NW MO
 
  CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...TORNADO WATCH LIKELY
 
  VALID 051535Z - 051700Z
 
  SEVERE THREAT SHOULD INCREASE BY EARLY AFTERNOON...AND A WATCH WILL
  BE ISSUED SHORTLY.
 
  WHILE INCREASING CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED THROUGH THE
  MIDDAY HOURS FARTHER NORTH...INHIBITION BENEATH THE NOSE OF A WARM
  ELEVATED MIXED LAYER WILL BE AN ISSUE IN CLOSER PROXIMITY TO THE
  WARM FRONT.  THE FRONT IS IN THE PROCESS OF LIFTING NORTHWARD OUT OF
  KANSAS INTO THE MID MISSOURI VALLEY...EAST NORTHEAST OF A SEASONABLY
  DEEP AND DEEPENING SURFACE LOW MIGRATING ACROSS NORTHWEST KANSAS
  INTO SOUTHWEST NEBRASKA.
 
  HIGHEST PROBABILITY FOR THE INITIATION OF BOUNDARY LAYER BASED
  STORMS THROUGH 18-20Z MAY BE WHERE A 60 KT SOUTHERLY 850 MB JET
  STREAK INTERSECTS FRONT...ACROSS SOUTHEAST NEBRASKA...WEST/
  SOUTHWEST OF OMAHA.  IN THE PRESENCE OF MODERATE INSTABILITY...WITH
  MIXED LAYER CAPE INCREASING IN EXCESS OF 2000 J/KG...STRONG DEEP
  LAYER SHEAR AND LARGE CLOCKWISE CURVED LOW-LEVEL
  HODOGRAPHS...TORNADIC SUPERCELLS SEEM PROBABLE BENEATH BROADER SCALE
  DIFLUENT UPPER FLOW REGIME.  STRONG TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE.
 
  ..KERR.. 06/05/2008
*************** That meso was issued around 10:30 a.m. and the watch associated with this discussion has been issued and did not include NW MO. Jeremy
June 5, 2008 11:35 AM
 

Mammatus said:

If you all remember a few years ago, we had a Tornado outbreak in early march in extreme eastern kansas and a large portion of missouri. Line after line of Supercells formed along a Dryline/Cold front and raced northeast at 55+ mph as others redeveloped along the dryline. They tracked as far as Illinois from western Missouri. Its safe to say that a very similar situation may happen later as the storms race east off the Dryline and cross the State line. The difference in this system is that the wind fields at the surface and aloft are quite a bit stronger. The tornadoes were short lived except for a few f2's but today is much more supportive of long track tornadoes. I hope everyone does take this very seriously and it will be a tough chase day considering speed the storms will travel Northeast and to the east.
June 5, 2008 11:35 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I think that is initiating a lot faster than even the SPC was thinking.  SPC was thinking last night it would be later this afternoon.  It's going to be a long day of tracking.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:36 AM
 

Maria said:

New Day 1 is late...must be changes
June 5, 2008 11:36 AM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Sorry, I was gone for a bit. Was surfing for safe rooms.

With the newest SPC update looks like Joplin is more in the game than originally thought. Oh joy!!
June 5, 2008 11:36 AM
 

LSGolfer said:

Yes Scott that does help.  I was confusing CAPE with CIN.  That's why I put out there the 4000-5000 numbers.  However, the CAPE is closer to 2000.  The CIN for 3 pm(if I translated the UTC correctly) is 257.  Am I looking at the right number?  If that's the case, WOW!

Thanks for the help Scott.

Jason
June 5, 2008 11:36 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

Fire Dog...
yeah I just called my brother out in Junction City and let him know about it. But in case nobody saw it.
in the latest Mesoscale discussion. They are thinking inititiation will begin around 1 or so and a PDS Tornado Watch will be issued at 1 PM.
June 5, 2008 11:37 AM
 

nikieis said:

why is it that every time i go to this site:  http://www.severestudios.com/livechase
it is old footage? i tried to look at chis the other night and all it was old footage and not of the storm. am i just stupid or am i missing some thing?
June 5, 2008 11:38 AM
 

simplykristi said:

M,
I was in a chat with a bunch of storm chasers and weather enthusiasts last night...  The storms will be booking it today.  They will be travelling at a high rate of speed.  Hence, the major concern for wind damage.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:39 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

today is going to e very interesting, that is for sure
June 5, 2008 11:39 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

The newest SPC update HAS NOT COME OUT YET.
June 5, 2008 11:39 AM
 

twister11 said:

r we expecting the high risk to be shifted further south? sense cap is breaking quicker, and low appears to be tracking further south?
June 5, 2008 11:40 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Nik,
You have to check the cams every so often.  Chasers are doing the feeds off of cell phones.  It's a great site for being free.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:40 AM
 

wrdeming said:

I just got an email with the following in it:

The Storm Prediction Center has included the KC area in a High Risk category for severe weather this evening & overnight.  The models for this particular storm system, though more likely to areas west & north, has been compared in what occurred with the Super Outbreak (of tornadoes) in 1974.

In addition to the possibility of strong, long-track tornadoes, other damaging storm modes (wind, hail & flash flooding) are likely.

For KC, the most likely timing will be after dark into the overnight hours.

What are your thoughts, bloggers?

Will

**************** Are you referencing the SPC outlook from around 13Z this a.m.? Jeremy
June 5, 2008 11:41 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

LSGolfer - keep in mind..as we are all observing based on using all the tools we have.

Based on radar and satelitte, the environment is breaking a bit quicker than thought, so model data..even rapid updates, are going to be a bit slower to respond.

The RUC may be high for progs on cap.  Remember, soundings and models are guides, but not the answers.  If they were the answers, we wouldn't need meteorologists...LOL

Keep them as a guide..but most importantly...as wise old [lol] meteorologist told me as a fledgling weather enthuesiest - the most important tool is to LOOK OUT THE WINDOW.  

Thanks for the advice, Gary...LOL
June 5, 2008 11:42 AM
 

nikieis said:

thank you   simplykristi .
June 5, 2008 11:42 AM
 

pilotskcx said:

Jeremy,

We're getting a really, really, really late start, but we should be out of KC around 1p Local.

If anyones (Kristi) got SWIFT and could verify our GPS at around 2p Local that would be great!

We'll talk again when we're mobile.

Jeff Nielsen (PLA414) ************** Jeff, I think you will have plenty of time to find some interesting storms to chase. The longer you wait the less gas you may have to buy:) Make sure to keep us updated! Jeremy
June 5, 2008 11:43 AM
 

wrdeming said:

If this fires up sooner that expected, does that mean that we will get through the "bad stuff" sooner than expected?

Will
June 5, 2008 11:44 AM
 

wrdeming said:

Jeremy,

I do not know what it is from.  It was simply "cut & paste" in the email.

June 5, 2008 11:46 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Will,
Things are changing greatly on my thinking.  I am not expecting armageddon here or anything like that.  This is evolving differently than I originally thought.  Give me some time to absorb the new information and I will post them.  

Gang, this is not like me to change my mind about an event.  But this event has totally changed over the last 12 hours.  

Kristi  
June 5, 2008 11:47 AM
 

twister11 said:

geewiz. when they gonna issue this thing already.
June 5, 2008 11:48 AM
 

twister11 said:

geewiz. when they gonna issue this thing already.
June 5, 2008 11:48 AM
 

pilotskcx said:

Jeremy,

Hehe, roger that on the gas!
June 5, 2008 11:48 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I will download it, pilot.  We need to be able to track you. :)  Got a cam?

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:48 AM
 

nikieis said:

jeremy when will the new update be on the blog? ************ I think Gary is updating the blog after the new outlook is posted and will add any additional thoughts. There are now tornado watches(PDS) just west of Topeka until 8 p.m. Jeremy
June 5, 2008 11:49 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

I'm like you twister. I NEED this Day 1 outlook like a smoker needs nicotine.
June 5, 2008 11:50 AM
 

wrdeming said:

Kristi,

My main concern is wind and hail, but I am curious what this does for the timing of the entire event.  If it is firing up already across a great portion of the state/region, does that induce a faster-tracking storm for our area as well?  So many variables when it comes to weather- just when you think you have it figured out, it changes.  I guess that is why we like it.
June 5, 2008 11:51 AM
 

Maria said:

Guess they couldn't wait until 1:00 on the new watch out West...already issued
June 5, 2008 11:51 AM
 

PilotS77 said:

It was just issued --

SEL2
 
  URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
  TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 462
  NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
  1150 AM CDT THU JUN 5 2008
 
  THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
  TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
 
         CENTRAL KANSAS
         NORTHWEST OKLAHOMA
 
  EFFECTIVE THIS THURSDAY MORNING AND EVENING FROM 1150 AM UNTIL
  800 PM CDT.
 
  ...THIS IS A PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION...
 
  DESTRUCTIVE TORNADOES...LARGE HAIL TO 3 INCHES IN DIAMETER...
  THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 80 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE
  POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.
 
  THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 60 STATUTE
  MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 30 MILES NORTH OF CONCORDIA
  KANSAS TO 70 MILES SOUTHWEST OF ENID OKLAHOMA.  FOR A COMPLETE
  DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE
  (WOUS64 KWNS WOU2).
 
  REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
  TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
  AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
  THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
  AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.
 
  OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 459...WW 460...WW 461...
 
  DISCUSSION...THUNDERSTORMS WILL RAPIDLY DEVELOP ALONG SURFACE COLD
  FRONT/DRYLINE OVER CENTRAL KS AND NORTHWEST OK DURING THE NEXT FEW
  HOURS.  THESE STORMS WILL INTERACT WITH EXTREME INSTABILITY AND VERY
  FAVORABLE LOW LEVEL AND DEEP LAYER VERTICAL SHEAR PROFILES FOR
  SUPERCELLS AND TORNADOES.  IF STORMS CAN MAINTAIN MORE DISCRETE
  STRUCTURES THROUGH THE AFTERNOON...STRONG AND LONG-TRACK TORNADOES
  WILL BE POSSIBLE.  OTHERWISE...WIDESPREAD DAMAGING WINDS AND LARGE
  HAIL ARE EXPECTED.
 
  AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
  SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 3 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
  WIND GUSTS TO 70 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
  500. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 24040.
 
 
  ...HART
June 5, 2008 11:52 AM
 

bones2121 said:

Ok! Hey action weather team?!?! What are your thoughts on this things fireing several hours in advance (as we speak)?

Could change everything?????
June 5, 2008 11:52 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

PDS FOR C KS.
June 5, 2008 11:52 AM
 

simplykristi said:

I am downloading Swift now.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:52 AM
 

ClayCtySpotter said:

Jeremy, Gary, anyone....

I have to leave in a bit to get my grandfather who is getting a bit senile. He is in Belleville KS just north of Concordia.  I am 6 1/2 months pregnant and will have a 2 year old and a 7 year old with me. Would I be driving into some bad stuff and would it be better to wait this one out and maybe go get him tomorrow?
June 5, 2008 11:52 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

ICT MANHATTAN WEST.
June 5, 2008 11:52 AM
 

WEATHERdude said:

well gee... i will be sure never to miss out on a blog entry on what is deemed "the most active day of the year" lol by the time it took me to read the whole blog, there were 30 more comments... lol

here is what i am thinking, strong cold front, probably a blizzard... (JK)

no but seriously, i do not think that this front will fall apart at all! I believe that the storms will still have all of their energy throughout the evening, here however i do not really see a tornado threat, perhaps if the system shifted 100 miles or so, maybe... but its concentration will probably (like said by most) will be in central kansas and nebraska

and Kristi, we should set up a list of "useful webistes" LOL i think then it would be easier to access the models

Scott, thx for that baller analysis! i enjoyed it :)
June 5, 2008 11:53 AM
 

bones2121 said:

Hey kristi!

I am starting to agree with you... The caps are popping way sooner then expected??
June 5, 2008 11:53 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

first storm fired way early on the dry line in Central Kansas.
June 5, 2008 11:53 AM
 

pilotskcx said:

Kristi,

Yeas we have a cam, but it's built into the laptop....no time to get another one today that faces outside.  When we do we'll bring up our own server and URL so it's faster than the other pages.

Thx for being our unofficial base station along with KSHB...hehe!
June 5, 2008 11:54 AM
 

HailJonathan said:

this is why they haven't updated their outlook is because they've been focusing on central Kansas so hard the past 25 minutes.
June 5, 2008 11:55 AM
 

WEATHERdude said:

does this early firing mean higher possibility for tornados here?
***************** No...our threat remains the same for KC. Still looks like evening/overnight. Jeremy
June 5, 2008 11:55 AM
 

ClayCtySpotter said:

Wow ok Kristi it really isnt like you to change your opinion on a storm like this.  Normally I dont get nervous but today is making me a bit screwy.
June 5, 2008 11:56 AM
 

simplykristi said:

Got Swift downloaded.  I think that I am going to like it.  Too bad I can't afford to pay the monthly fee right now.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 11:58 AM
 

f00dl3 said:

This storm to the east of Dodge City is going linear already. This is different.
June 5, 2008 11:58 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

weatherdude...I know some folks that maintain blogs or sites away from this one normally have a link section with useful information.

I have some of what I find useful on mine...including the every popular spotternetwork link, a nice radar widget, and a chat module...LOL

I would keep two windows open as not to miss anything that the weather team may have to say..that would be very valuable...

Stay advised with the most accurate weather team in KC here at the KSHB blog.

;-)
June 5, 2008 11:59 AM
 

bones2121 said:

The 16Z RUC just posted, the cap is disolving on the dry line. Looks like the ULL might have jumped a bit more north as well???

Still a bit worried about the timeing advance here...
June 5, 2008 12:00 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

There are way too many clouds over the KC area right now to get too worried about anything at the moment guys. it's still barely 80 degrees out.
June 5, 2008 12:00 PM
 

Lizbaugh said:

The metro was taken out of high risk area.
June 5, 2008 12:00 PM
 

DaveC said:

Unless I'm reading it wrong, another forecaster in the area is downplaying the threat in the metro.
June 5, 2008 12:00 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

SPC UDATE/
June 5, 2008 12:00 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

We need some major heat cookin up to get something fired up and keep it fired up and with these clouds it's gonna be tough. I don't know I'll let Scott handle the rest of that thought if he's lookin in.
June 5, 2008 12:01 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

The storms fireing out west actually lowers our severe risk because they have a longer distance to hold together.
June 5, 2008 12:01 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Bones,
I know you have SWIFT..  I am going to need a quick primer on it...  Can you email me at branstetters@att.net please?

Gang,'
I will answer questions while I am multi-tasking so be patient. :)

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:01 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

KANSAS CITY IS OUT OF HIGH RISK
June 5, 2008 12:01 PM
 

Maria said:

June 5, 2008 12:02 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

pilotkcx, good luck today and stay safe!

kristi- we wont shot you for changing your mind. the weather is in a very werid pattern  right now so i am not surprised it is changing but still have the basic outlook of hail and wind being damage here. we will see though.

yes it would be nice to get the update!
June 5, 2008 12:02 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

Shifted HIGH Risk west a little and most of Kc metro under MOD risk.  15% Tornados, 30% hail and 45%wind HERE IN METRO.
June 5, 2008 12:02 PM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Kristi - thank you again for your calm headedness - and Scott and all the rest of you!  ANyone out there chasing, BE CAREFUL!  My husband said HE wants to go "chase" - seeing as how he knows nothing about it, I considered locking him in the barn!  :)  

Kristi, even if we don't get tornados and just all the wind - will there be a lot of rain with that (as in more than 2 or 3 inches?) or do you have a guess?

I konw everyone on here has an opinion and I appreciate them all!  It's much more informative than the actual few minutes of weather we get on TV, but I know they aren't allowed to "speculate" on the air, so it's nice when they do on the blog!  I figure it's all blame-free speculation and I love it!  So everybody be NICE to each other please!  
June 5, 2008 12:03 PM
 

ShawneeMike said:

Kristi--

I'm hanging out in that chat is well---bet I will see you there later!
June 5, 2008 12:03 PM
 

Maria said:

Looks like they don't really think it is breaking early..."high level"

COLD FRONT STRETCHES FROM A SURFACE LOW IN SWRN NB SWD THROUGH W
  CNTRL KS AND INTO THE TX PANHANDLE WHERE IT INTERSECTS A DRYLINE
  THAT EXTENDS FROM THE ERN TX PANHANDLE SWD THROUGH WRN TX. A WARM
  FRONT STRETCHES FROM THE LOW ENEWD THROUGH SRN NEB....CNTRL IA AND
  SRN WI. A WARM EML HAS OVERSPREAD MUCH OF THE MOIST WARM SECTOR
  WHERE DEWPOINTS IN THE UPPER 60S TO AROUND 70 EXIST. BREAKS IN
  CLOUDS ARE ALLOWING FOR DESTABILIZATION IN PRE-FRONTAL WARM SECTOR
  FROM OK NWD THROUGH CNTRL AND ERN KS THROUGH ERN NEB. STORMS ARE
  DEVELOPING OVER ERN NEB WITHIN WARM ADVECTION REGIME. THESE STORMS
  MAY STILL BE SLIGHTLY ELEVATED. HOWEVER...AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER
  CONTINUES TO WARM...STORMS WILL LIKELY BECOME SURFACE BASED. LOW
  LEVEL HODOGRAPHS AND DEEP SHEAR WILL SUPPORT SUPERCELL STORM MODES
  AS ACTIVITY BECOMES ROOTED IN THE BOUNDARY LAYER.
June 5, 2008 12:04 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Metro KC is definitely in the moderate risk.  I think that the high risk is appropriately placed.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:04 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

ON THE OTHER HAND...POTENTIAL FOR STRONG DOWNDRAFT DEVELOPMENT WILL
  BE GREAT...ESPECIALLY OVER THE SRN HALF OF THE PLNS /AVERAGE LATE
  AFTN DCAPE EXPECTED TO BE AOA 1000 J PER KG IN KS AND OK/.  COUPLED
  WITH DEEP UNIDIRECTIONAL WIND FIELD...AND LINEAR DEEP FORCING FOR
  ASCENT /HEIGHT FALLS/...EXPECT THAT BY EVENING STORMS WILL HAVE
  ORGANIZED INTO AN EXTENSIVE BROKEN BAND FROM SRN/ERN NEB SWD INTO
  OK.  ESPECIALLY IN NEB...KS...WRN IA AND NW MO...INTENSE
  FORWARD-PROPAGATING SEGMENTS/LEWPS COULD PRODUCE LONG SWATHS OF DMGG
  WIND...IN ADDITION TO A FEW STRONG TORNADOES.
 
June 5, 2008 12:04 PM
 

HummerSeeker said:

This IS like the big snowstorm predicted and then just moved on out from us.  I believe this is part of the LRC - but I could be (and probably am!) wrong!
June 5, 2008 12:04 PM
 

ShawneeMike said:

Gary must have called them to take KC out! Ha
June 5, 2008 12:05 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

i think i may be next in line to donwload that program, and thx scott, yeah its very useful to have multiple tabs open, ive got 4 now.

Metro out of the high risk area?? and hail, i agree, these clouds are kinda in the way
June 5, 2008 12:05 PM
 

Maria said:

They also upped the tornado risk for NE
June 5, 2008 12:05 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Everyone west of Topeka needs to keep an eye out on the greatest risk for tornadoes.  That's a definite.  

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:06 PM
 

MrMojoJosh said:

I think a certain oustanding meteorologist *cough* GARY LEZAK *cough* predicted that KC metro should not be included in the high risk area.

Way to go Gary!

June 5, 2008 12:10 PM
 

PilotS77 said:

I think even here we must not confuse moderate or low risk as no risk. This is evolving rather rapidly and the next couple of hrs will be critical in the overall effect of the storm in the KC metro area.
June 5, 2008 12:10 PM
 

chieffan07 said:

Hello everyone. I am kinda worried about tonight with all the talk about such a HIGH RISK.

Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if this is going to be a one round event or multiple rounds? At least if it is just one round I can leave and come back home when it is over.

Thanks
June 5, 2008 12:10 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

haha..I have never seen so many people happy to be out of a high risk only to be in the moderate risk.

This sounds so much better...

"POTENTIAL EXIST FOR STORMS TO
  EVENTUALLY GROW UPSCALE INTO LINEAR AND MIXED MODES WITH BOTH LINES
  AND EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS. STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR WILL MAINTAIN
  ORGANIZED STORMS WITH LEWP/BOW ECHOE STRUCTURES BECOMING LIKELY AS
  ACTIVITY ADVANCES EAST WITH AN INCREASING THREAT FOR WIDESPREAD
  DAMAGING WIND.
"

Um..I will keep watching to see what happens.
June 5, 2008 12:11 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Mike,
I will be there a little later..  Gotta get SWIFT working first.  

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:12 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

New EAX forecast update as well...

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=EAX&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1

"SCATTERED ACTIVITY IS
POSSIBLE IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTIVE DRY LINE...WHICH IS FAR TO THE
WEST...ACROSS AREAS NORTH OF A LINE FROM ATCHISON CITY KANSAS AND ST
JOSEPH THROUGH THE AFTERNOON HOURS TODAY. HOWEVER...THE ACTIVITY TO
OUR WEST MAY JUNK UP THE ATMOSPHERE ENOUGH THAT TIMING ISSUES WILL
BE A PROBLEM THROUGH THE REST OF THE DAY"

Far from clear cut.
June 5, 2008 12:15 PM
 

PilotS77 said:

   
chieffan07,

It looks like at least two separate events - however the storms tend to be fats moving and that might be a good factor.
June 5, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Mammatus said:

I think we will see yet another shift with the high risk area at 3pm. This whole thing is still evolving and now we have low clouds to contend with in our area. Kristi, you are right in line with what you said earlier. The SPC 3pm outlook will tell us more. I don't think we should let our guard down yet since the Spc is still trying to figure out storm mode later this evening. the lack of sunshine will help to keep instability donw some though.
June 5, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Maria said:

ShawneeMike--What other chat are you referring to?
June 5, 2008 12:16 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

haha scott, you make a good point, because we all need to remember that the threat is still existant...

and im sorry, kristi what has changed from before?
June 5, 2008 12:20 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Mammatus, instability is not a problem with these wind dynamics.  With this kind of wind profile, even 500 j/kg of CAPE can cause problems.
June 5, 2008 12:20 PM
 

simplykristi said:

After reviewing some of the info (mainly posted here since I am trying to do too many things at one time)....  I am going back to my original thinking.  Wind and hail will be our greatest threat here in Kansas City.  We could possibly have a situation similar to May 2nd.  

If you are in Kansas City, I want you to monitor this blog and NOAA.  The big threat will again be wind and hail.  This is the same for folks in Lawrence and St. Joseph and Ottawa.

If you are in Topeka and Emporia and Wichita, you must monitor the blog and NOAA weather because you have a greater risk for tornadoes, wind, and hail.

If you are in Nebraska, you better monitor this blog, NOAA, and your local media outlets.  You have the greatest risk for severe weather around here.  If you have family in NE, please give them a heads up about the potentially dangerous weather.  Just tell them to be prepared in case severe weather approaches your area.

If you want to know an estimate of the timing of storms in your area, you must give me your location.

Kristi

June 5, 2008 12:22 PM
 

Maria said:

First cell was down by Dodge City (currently ST warned) ...looks like a new cell is starting to form by Hays
June 5, 2008 12:22 PM
 

ShawneeMike said:

Its over with the spotters on SevereStudios.com --its not KC based--more widespread, but some of the them are out in the field chasing today--its amazing to watch.

The chat is at the bottom of the page--You'll see a link:

http://www.severestudios.com/livechase
June 5, 2008 12:23 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Josh,
I never thought that there was a high risk here in KC to begin with.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:24 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Weatherdude,
I was going to change my thinking but reading the latest outlook from the SPC, I am sticking with my original thinking.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:25 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I hate waiting....
June 5, 2008 12:25 PM
 

ShawneeMike said:

Kristi---I guess I'm going to to have to fire up some Windows Emulation software to get SWIFT or gr3 going here on my Mac. :(

I gotta get more chasers to come to the Mac side of things :)
June 5, 2008 12:26 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

being out the high risk is very nice but moderate is still not fun. with the winds we could see bow echos which are just as bad as some tornadoes. just remember we are still in a risk and that we shouldn't be worried we should still be prepared.
June 5, 2008 12:28 PM
 

bones2121 said:

So I am falling behind!! 2 year old is being a nut case!!

ANyway, Trying to get that e-mail out to you kristi.
June 5, 2008 12:29 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The chat is very serious....  They do not put up with wild predictions.  If you go and it is your first time, just sit back and watch the chat.

I am simplyklb and sometimes I do comment there.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:29 PM
 

RDub said:

I was never really worried about tornadoes here in the KC metro. High wind, though, is very likely. Won't take much to create severe t'storm winds of 55 mph or greater.
June 5, 2008 12:30 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

lol nice and well said kristy... and im with you hail!

but what is with all this cloud cover? when is it moving out?
June 5, 2008 12:30 PM
 

Mammatus said:

True KCWXguy, The sunshine would have helped destabilize Eastern kansas and western Missouri substantially quicker but I have no doubt we will get some serious weather here later. These are the strongest wind fields I have seen in a long time. I have some doubts that we will see squall line like some have forecasted. Shear is so strong that I think there will be more discrete Supercells and some small scale bow echoes. Tornado threat will continue thru the morning if I had to guess. Curious to see if we get some cells forming way out ahead of the main line.
June 5, 2008 12:32 PM
 

Barbara said:

Hi everyone!  First time I've been able to comment on here...I haven't read through all 200+ comments so I'll just ask...did we get taken out of the high risk?  
June 5, 2008 12:32 PM
 

simplykristi said:

No problem, bones.  I don't have kids of my own but have four nieces that I have spent a lot of time with over the years. :)

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:32 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Yes, Barbara...  We are in a moderate risk tho.

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:34 PM
 

Maria said:

I'm a lurker on stormtrack.org forums too--just like to have alternative sources
June 5, 2008 12:34 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

NEW BLOG
June 5, 2008 12:35 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Mike,
Get a windows emulator for your Mac.  I think that my next pc might be a mac that has a windows emulator. :)

Kristi
June 5, 2008 12:36 PM
 

chieffan07 said:

Hey Simplykristi, do you know the timing for the Liberty/Claycomo area near Worlds of Fun?

Thank you
June 5, 2008 12:37 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

based on visible satellite imagery I'd say cloud cover will be gone in 2-3 hours
June 5, 2008 12:38 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

my wife's mac just plain has windows no emulator or anything it's just windows...
June 5, 2008 12:39 PM
 

Zazel said:

It seems to me there's been a tendency from lots of people here to downplay our severe weather risks, perhaps to try and keep people from entering a panic state.  The high risk area, while being moved back northwest a bit, still comes right up to the Platte County line and is roughly one to two counties west of Johnson and Miami Counties.  We aren't "in" the high risk but it sure seems irresponsible to start talking like we aren't going to have a tornado threat but might just get some hail or wind.  The trend for the convective outlook for today, over the last 24 to 36 hours has been to shift the higher (read moderate, not high) risk area to the south and east.  Maybe we get something significant, maybe we don't, but it's certainly too early to be stating we definitely won't get anything.
June 5, 2008 12:39 PM
 

More weather warnings « Smith Family Weblog said:

June 5, 2008 12:40 PM
 

nastyweather said:

"Well it's only moderate today, so nothing to worry about here."  I think some of you folks are missing the forest for the trees with the SPC forecast, it's not like there's a magic field that keeps the most severe weather inside the High risk area and then everything will be find in the Moderate area.  Last I checked we've had numerous tornado outbreaks in non-high risk areas, otherwise known as MODERATE.

I'm not directly this at any single person, just making a blanket statement that we're still playing Russian roulette, but have one or two less bullets in the gun.
June 5, 2008 12:41 PM
 

Emmysmom said:

Kristi..you asked for it!  : )  My Nebraska family lives in Lincoln, and my mom works in Nebraska City and has to drive back to Lincoln (off at 3:30 usually in Lincoln at 4:30).

What is threat to Lincoln and Nebr. City, what is the ETA for both, and will she be home in time before the severe weather, or should she take off early?
June 5, 2008 12:48 PM
 

KChomeloan said:

which one of you is scott?
June 5, 2008 12:56 PM
 

bones2121 said:

So I am falling behind!! 2 year old is being a nut case!!

ANyway, Trying to get that e-mail out to you kristi.
June 5, 2008 1:01 PM
 

bones2121 said:

17Z update,

Cap still looks to be disolving along the dry line, how ever the ULL center seems to be lifting north (right on the KS, NB border now) farther to the west then expected?

Thoughts??
June 5, 2008 1:09 PM
 

anch889 said:

What are the chances of any of these twisters landing in the Lawrence area??
June 5, 2008 3:58 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

STORMS ARE STARTING TO REFIRE ALONG THE RETREATED COLDFRONT/DRYLINE! in WESTERN KANSAS
June 5, 2008 4:37 PM
 

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June 6, 2008 5:41 AM
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