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The LRC and a great Friday forecast

Good Friday morning bloggers,

Please send us your rainfall totals for last night, and the month so far.  The PDS watch didn't quite verify yesterday, which is fine with me.  For our local area, it did what we thought it was going to do.  We believed it would be a strong line of thunderstorms with bow echoes, and this is what ended up happening last night. There were tornado warnings issued by the NWS after midnight for counties in Missouri (Pettis, Johnson, Henry, and Lafayette).  The NWS has changed their policy after May 2nd, and a bow echo formed southeast of Kansas City, and they decided to be safe and issue a bow echo tornado warning.  It wasn't nearly as strong as May 2nd, but the conditions were favorable.

The LRC continues.  We believe the weather pattern sets up in October and November and then cycles.  According to my theory it doesn't end until August or September as it transistions into next year's LRC.  So, was last nights storm related to the winter weather pattern.  I say 100% yes.  And, here is the evidence.  If you have been reading the blog all winter, then you know that we are in, roughly, a 50 day cycle.  Look back 49 days ago and compare the map to early this mornings 500 mb flow:

Look at the vigorous upper low that just passed us, on the below map.  It is amazingly similar to the upper low that just passed us on April 18th, 2008, or 49 days ago (the April 18th one was a bit farther south, and it should be because the jet stream had only just started its summer retreat).  And, look at the  strong energy coming into the west coast which will carve out another western trough.  This feature also existed 49 days ago.  Even the ridge aloft over the eastern United States is shockingly similar.  I am not shocked, but always amazed.  Even the closed upper low near the North Pole on last nights map is extremely similar to the upper low just off the map above.

This is not a coincidence, can you see the shocking similarities.   The weather pattern continues to weaken, but it is still "the same" pattern, as summer approaches.  As summer settles in during the next two to three weeks, the jet stream will continue to weaken and lift farther north.  This will eventually shut down severe weather season as we have known it, but it doesn't mean it will dry out.  Before this happens we have some possible severe weather set-ups next week.

And, I must give credit to the picture taken by "Chris in KC", a local photographer, earlier in the week.   It is one of the more spectacular photos I have ever seen, and the second one is another picture taken, but I don't know who took it:

 

Today will be a beautiful day.  Enjoy it!  I have the rest of the day off.  Brett Anthony and Jeremy Nelson will keep you updated as we move into the weekend.

Gary

Published Friday, June 06, 2008 7:35 AM by glezak

Comments

 

bewild79 said:

Weather Team,
First Gary, we really appreciate you coming in and keeping us informed on such a crazy/scary day.  That shows you are dedicated to your job and viewers.

You all had great coverage last night.  Thank goodness it wasn't any worse than it was.  My bro in law was flipping through the channels last night and some of the "other people" were just....silly.  I know that I can trust you all and wont watch anyone else!  Keep up the good work! :)
Becky

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Becky,

Thanks, and we appreciate the support and your viewership.  Have a great weekend.

Gary

June 6, 2008 7:59 AM
 

Zazel said:

1.25 inches last night at Pawpaw and Manning in northeast KCMO.  Got some nice rain, but for all the hype (not by you guys) about the storm it sure turned out to be a big disappointment.  ~ Dave
June 6, 2008 7:59 AM
 

macnkc said:

You deserve credit, especially when Brett showed your high risk and moderate areas compared to the SPC.  Many of us are happy it didn't pan out nowhere near the 1974 incident which the NWS hyped a week ago. Thankfully no Armagaddon, Apocalypse, and in case I spelled them wrong, no Genesis. Enjoy this great Friday everyone.
June 6, 2008 8:00 AM
 

homerun said:

Good morning Gary----I am thankful the storms never really got going ( I have been through much worse here in Kansas)---as they appraoched Topeka, the line really became thin and when it came through Berryton we had a gust of wind about 50 mph or so and some heavy rain briefly.  We received .61 which gives me a total of 2.01 for June.  Yes isn't the LRC amazing!  What is really amazing is that this time last year we had over 20 inches of precip and so far we are over 15 inches running still a little over 2 inches for the year.  Do you see the slightly below temps for June?  It is amazing that it has stayed so warm and muggy but that is a result of the rain.  Take care, Michael/Berryton/Topeka

-----------------

Michael,

I still believe we will be moving into some northwest flow within 10 days, as we did in late April, but will the cold fronts be strong enough to cool it off?  Probably just a bit.

Gary

June 6, 2008 8:05 AM
 

CO dreaming said:

1.00" at 150 & 291. "Much adeu about nothing," especially after the dire warnings elsewhere in the media. So far this month I have received 7.3" of rain and year to date 26.17" (not including snow equivalent)!!!
June 6, 2008 8:08 AM
 

beckysma said:

After Gary signed off about 10:30, I got my daughter calmed down, telling her there was no danger, this was just a standard thunderstorm, and to go to sleep.  Then I flipped channels and another local met was still going strong, spouting all the dangers of the lightning involved, EVEN if you are inside!!  I turned it off as fast as I could, and had to calm my daughter down all over again.  Sheesh...
June 6, 2008 8:10 AM
 

kcten81 said:

Posted at the end of the last thread but will post again:

1.2" at 291 and N. Woodland (Clay Co. MO).  Another spot on forecast from you guys especially as the storm approached.

Gary,

You read my mind.  Last night I was thinking about how this storm related to the LRC and which previous storm this one related to.  So, can you go back 100 days, 150 days, and it look similar?  If so, what winter storm would last night's storm have been?
June 6, 2008 8:14 AM
 

kcten81 said:

Oh yeah,

A friend of mine was telling me how another station's meteorologist was telling it's viewers that if you don't have a NOAA radio that you needed to sleep in your basement last night.  Seems a bit extreme if you ask me.
June 6, 2008 8:16 AM
 

frigate said:

.79 from last nights T-Storm, 3.47 for the month of June and 21.45 for the year just SW of Grain Valley, MO. KUDOS to Gary and the entire weather team for once again being the best and not over hyping the situation but keeping us accurately informed.

Jeff
June 6, 2008 8:20 AM
 

Tim in West Shawnee said:

1.01" Thursday night, and 4.08" for the month of June in Shawnee.  Great job last night guys,
Tim
June 6, 2008 8:21 AM
 

VdoManZ said:

Great Job yesterday not getting caught up in the "doom and gloom" media. I received .75 inches of rain at 50highway and Todd George (SE Lee's Summit) winds were not as bad as the May 2nd event.

have a good weekend
June 6, 2008 8:22 AM
 

ctjhawk said:

1.90 inches at 87th and Metcalf.  Great job on the prediction as well as the coverage of the storms.  Your preparation, planning and approach are number one in the business.  Keep up the great work.

Thanks,
Todd
June 6, 2008 8:22 AM
 

Mark M said:

0.50" last night with a June total of 1" so far at 123rd & Hollingsworth in KCK.  Great job last night!
June 6, 2008 8:26 AM
 

Larry A said:

The weather team did a great job last night covering the storms and the predictions in the days leading up to the event.  NW Lawrence has received 2.03" for June, with 0.77" last night.

The NWS is predicting 3.80" for the viewing area Sunday into Monday and 5" to 6.1" in the 5 day QPF forecast for next week.  Do you believe that we will have a heavy rain event beginning Sunday with those types of precipitation values for the viewing area?  

Thanks, Larry
June 6, 2008 8:33 AM
 

Ottawa said:

1.50" just east of Ottawa last night.  Storms were much less impressive than the storms we had Monday morning, which is fine with me.
June 6, 2008 8:35 AM
 

ShawneeMike said:

I was glad to see everything start weakening enough where I felt strong enough to sit out on my driveway with a drink, laptop and wx radio and just watch the storm roll in.

With all the predictions of destructions, accurate forecasts, level headed comments, all CAPS comments and disappointments by some....you know what happened?


...the sun rose right on time this morning.
June 6, 2008 8:38 AM
 

Matt P said:

1.53 inches at N Tullis and N 76th St.  

Lots of vivid lightning last night and strong winds. Our trees in the backyard were bent over by the strong winds.  It reminded me of a strong tropical storm.
June 6, 2008 8:47 AM
 

mcmallory said:

1.25" at State Line/Gregory
June 6, 2008 8:54 AM
 

scp18 said:

Gary,

Gardner:

1.5" last night
2.5" Tuesday night
2.2" Monday

6.2" total for June

Great job with the forecast--can always depend on you and your team for a calm, accurate report.
June 6, 2008 8:57 AM
 

kristy said:

I received .89 last nite here in SE lee's summit.  from tues and last nite i have received 3.74.  Thanks for the great coverage last nite.  Kristy  P.S. does anyone know when the line came thru and winds picked up which direction were they out of.  
June 6, 2008 9:03 AM
 

jfgdnr said:

Rain totals near 128th & Mur-Len, Olathe, Ks

1.6"  Last night
2.0"  Tuesday night/Wednesday morning
0.4"  Monday

4.0" Total June so far....
June 6, 2008 9:18 AM
 

RDub said:

Ctjhawk, thanks for the post. I live sort of near you but don't have a rain guage so it's good to see your report...another 2" almost. We could use a break. **************** Thanks for the total Rdub and if everyone could continue sending in totals Brett and I will show some on-air. Thanks! Jeremy
June 6, 2008 9:18 AM
 

tirzah2 said:

1.40" here Gary.  With the 2.90" from the other day's storm, it's been one wet week here.  Glad we are getting a "stock pile" of moisture.  August is coming quick!

Laura in Raytown
June 6, 2008 9:20 AM
 

DaveC said:

Storm blew in with more of a whimper around 11:30 on the east side of town. I'm sorry that some people thought I was being immature by calling out some rather pretentious attitudes on this thread. My comments calling for simplykristi obviously offended her and she left, which I'm sorry she felt attacked. I also understand some people do have a tendency to get over excited during moments when severe weather is around. That is fine, but it really needs to be stressed that 99.99% of us bloggers (me included) are just spewing our feelings and opinions and must be seperated from those who do this stuff for a living and have formal educations.  

I do believe this is an important issue that needs to be addressed as this blog becomes more and more popular. After I made my request for her to calm down and take more thought to her comments on here, I found that others shared the same opinion also that things were getting way out of hand. Calling me immature and childish is only ignoring the the situation and concerns that will repeatedly come back to this forum.

Again, I feel bad she got so offended the left last night, but I think if some of you think about what I am saying, I have a rather valid point.
June 6, 2008 9:21 AM
 

RDub said:

Jeremy, that's not my total, I'm just borrowing from CTJhawk...my rain guage cracked a few years back and I haven't replaced it...so I just rely on the bloggers who live near me.
June 6, 2008 9:22 AM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well we finally got our heavy thunderstorm last night, I was a work from 4 p.m. until 1:30 a.m., so I missed the PDS Tornado Watch but did hear the sirens going off just after 10 p.m. last night. My aunt says she has some tree damage in her yard from last night, they did not even have us take cover at work either, I just said, well if you hear a "roaring" sound duck.   the power did not even flicker though so I was not too worried, but the wind did blow pretty hard for a bit.
June 6, 2008 9:32 AM
 

Alden said:

I was up until one last night but I have a question. Why is "Today" on instead of the French Open? I'm not a fan of tennis, but I turned on the TV said French Open but had the Today show instead.
June 6, 2008 9:36 AM
 

spooky said:

DaveC, you have an EXTREMELY valid point.

However, don't expect it to be addressed in THIS blog.
June 6, 2008 9:43 AM
 

Braysmama said:

Checked my rain gauge and had 1.0 inch of rain last night, bringing my monthly total to 3.95 southwest of Kingsville.
June 6, 2008 10:04 AM
 

DaveC said:

Ok, here is weather related. Right now, 10:06am, cnn.com has a huge red banner across the top of the page "Breaking News: tornado warning has been issued for parts of Hubbard County in north central Minnesota.", why is this on cnn.com as breaking news?
June 6, 2008 10:08 AM
 

joneslr said:

Hello Weathe Team,

In Roeland Park, we received 2.77 inches on Tuesday
Then, received another .91 overnight Tuesday
Then, we received 1.2 inches last night...
Only 6 days into the month and nearly 5 inches of rain...

Have a great day and get some rest - You have certainly earned it!

Lance
June 6, 2008 10:08 AM
 

joneslr said:

Hello Weathe Team,

In Roeland Park, we received 2.77 inches on Tuesday
Then, received another .91 overnight Tuesday
Then, we received 1.2 inches last night...
Only 6 days into the month and nearly 5 inches of rain...

Have a great day and get some rest - You have certainly earned it!

Lance
June 6, 2008 10:08 AM
 

shoedog said:

1.3 inches rain last night 132 and Roe Leawood
June 6, 2008 10:14 AM
 

Barbara said:

Great job last night, Weather Team and kuddos to Gary for coming in on his day off to keep us updated!  

I'm sure you've already gotten it but just to be sure, I got 1.7" from this storm and 6.6" for the month at 151st and Pflumm in Olathe.  

Have a great day everyone!
June 6, 2008 10:15 AM
 

MTongate said:

1.3 at 152 @ Amity, Great coverage last night

Thanks Michael
June 6, 2008 10:21 AM
 

boootz said:

Gary and Team,

Thanks again for being there during the storm last night, just your presence and calm manner makes even the most scarey situations much easier to deal with.
We received 1.2" of rain here north of Leavenworth, sun is now out, with a nice refreshing breeze. I can almost sit, sip my coffee and watch the grass grow.
With respect to this blog last night, I want everyone to remember blogs are a forum for sharing ideas and knowledge and are not intended to be used as a replacement for trained, knowledgeable experts in any field, and while I am sure a lot of comments here are meant with the very best intentions, it is always best to take them with a grain of salt, we are for the most part all arm-chair forecasters.
June 6, 2008 10:24 AM
 

jstonemo said:

In Greenwood, I had a little of .8" last night plus the 5" from Tuesday night and .1" from Monday morning. That brings us to almost 6" for June so far.
June 6, 2008 10:32 AM
 

Retired said:

In Northern Gladstone, near 76th and N. Troost, I got 1.6 in. of rain overnight.

Mike in Gladstone
June 6, 2008 10:43 AM
 

FairWeather007 said:

I didn't get a close look at the rain gauge this morning, but I think we had about 1.25 at our house near 87th & Antioch.
June 6, 2008 10:49 AM
 

ClayCtySpotter said:

Here in Excelsior Springs my rain gage has 1.45
June 6, 2008 11:02 AM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Thank you weather team for keeping up with updating blog even though you were so busy. Thank you to all of the experienced bloggers that TRACK storms for all of us. It's very nice to have someone who has access to better software or can read the info better informing everyone of what they see. Storm predicting isn't an accurate science for anyone. I'm not sure anyone can predict when or if a storm changes course. I have seen it happen numerous times over the last few months.

So thank you for the wonderful blogs from everyone that inform and teach. I get great comfort from the info that everyone provides and I have learned so much.

I have made some friends on this blog that have even stayed up with me, on more than one occassion, while I waited for the severe storm to hit down here in Joplin.
June 6, 2008 11:03 AM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Oops, forgot to add that we got a 1/4" of rain. The severe storms seems to split and go around me last night for which I'm grateful.
June 6, 2008 11:05 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

DaveC –

You bring up something I have been thinking about for awhile.  Many may wonder why when things get active, I somehow disappear.  I leave due to both the volume and the variety of thoughts and the levels of maturity that can be pressed during times of stress.

That said, it is very simple for me.  I maintain a personal level of integrity and communication in my responses and keep them fact based.  I do not attack people, rather ideas or thoughts that can be substantiated with objective or quantifiable feedback.  

I own my response and I own how I treat others.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion.  On this blog, it is my belief that so long as people are working to learn, communicates, and express what they are thinking in a mature way, everyone wins.

During severe weather, it is hard to keep that in check as fear and excitement will skew even the best intentions.

I do not believe your point is an issue for the weather team.  I believe this is an issue for each of us in how we choose to treat each other.  Gary is a meteorologist, not a social councilor.  

I do agree, as the blog has grown, the dynamics have changed a great deal.  As the blog has prospered, it has brought in a greater depth and breadth of ideas and thoughts.  This is a work in progress, and there will be good times and bad times.  

We as a blogger base own the success of this blog.  We also own its warts.  The team owns the responsibility of maintaining a product that has value for the viewers and the advertisers – to a point.

Most of the time, moderation is not a problem – as the team is very active in working the blog.  On days of severe events, the volume in the blog, and the need to focus on the weather has the team with larger priorities thus leaving the blog up for grabs.

Many times, I have worked to keep things answered and to help moderate, and Kristi is doing something similar now.  Neither one of us have any direct ties to KSHB, but offer to help at times because we care about this forum.

That said, each of us are human and can/do make mistakes.  That said, I have made my choice to leave during hectic times and retreat back to my own blogspace where I can moderate more effectively.

At the end of the day, I own my response and actions..and hope others would have that same sense of accountability.
******************** You are right about the volume of hits/comments. We had 10s of thousands of blog hits yesterday. Probably about the 2nd or 3rd highest amount of hits in a day ever! Hopefully everyone can think of others and keep the discussion in check when severe weather is ongoing or in the forecast. We want everyone who stops by to contribute and help us with reports, rain totals, etc. We never want to turn the comments off during severe weather in the future. Jeremy
June 6, 2008 11:21 AM
 

marlina10 said:

My rain gauge shows 1.57 inches of rain fell last night in Lenexa at 87th & Pflumm.
June 6, 2008 11:35 AM
 

auroramama said:

I just wanted come back and comment again on the superb job that Gary and Jeremy and the team did last night.  You guys are awesome!

I was AMAZED to say the least to see another station that stayed on the air trying to scare people long after the threat was out of the area.  Ridiculous.  Keeping people afraid for ratings just doesn't seem right.   ******************* When the need is there we will stay on the air as long as needed. But in our opinion just doing updates was very sufficient last night during the evening and overnight hours. We did stay on continuously during the 10pm news because that time is already reserved for whatever our station decides to air. In the case last night we did weather almost exclusively from 10-10:40 p.m. There is no sense in scaring anyone and Gary kept saying during the 10pm news that this situation was not looking that bad. A huge thank you to everyone who tuned in last night! Jeremy
June 6, 2008 11:35 AM
 

marlina10 said:

No doubt those "other stations " will soon have their ridiculous commercials up trying to promote how they were "the only ones who stayed on late when severe weather was threatenting your door". Give me a break, what they should say is "we were the only ones that sensationalized the storm to scare you into watching us". I just roll my eyes at their commercials. =) *************** To each their own I guess. Overdoing coverage can be just as bad in a viewers eye than not being on at all! Jeremy
June 6, 2008 11:39 AM
 

StormWyndd said:

Brillianty said kcwxguy.  :)
June 6, 2008 11:46 AM
 

jon64506 said:

1 inch in st jo. great dog walking weather.
June 6, 2008 11:50 AM
 

angvic00 said:

Gary and Jeremy,


Thank you for keeping us all informed last night and for being such a "class act".  I also appreciated that Gary "addressed" his young viewing audience as well while the storms were passing through the metro area. ******************* Thanks for watching and making our severe weather coverage once again a HUGE success!! Jeremy
June 6, 2008 11:53 AM
 

grumpyred said:

Grumpy on:  Yesterday was travel day and relied on my sidekick internet and this blog.  I checked in once in a while to make sure the storm was on track.  I did catch the blog about the elephants and admit I laughed, which I needed to do as I was starting to panic after sister sent text saying spotters/chasers all over emporia and sirens in clearwater (sis there too).  The advice I received yesterday and from other days was SPOT ON!!!!  In the short time I have been here I have learned alot from these people and actually found a piece of security.

How many people are in the studio when there is a severe outbreak?  Keeping up with radar, reports, spotters, law enforcement and I am sure tons of phone calls.  Oh yea, not  to mention keeping us informed.  The blog is somewhat a low priority, even though alot of us rely on it to keep us informed.  I for one loose satelitte and internet and often times power (tuesday's storm).  The devoted weather bloggers keep/kept me udated on what was going on.  All I care about is staying informed, the fact that these people devote ALOT of their time assisting several total strangers t one time, whom they only know by a blog name and maybe a town. These people  deserve a round of applause and some respect!!!!   How much training does a spotter really have? yet we rely on them to inform the public.  
Yes this is a "weather" blog, but I think it's more of a community.  I am one of those that is full of "useless emotions" so it's nice to have idle non-related weather talk once in a while to help calm the nerves.
To sound the sirens or not to sound them is a no win situation, always going to make someone upset.
You can cut into my program anytime!!! Yes, sometimes I grrr when it doesn't involve my area, but I know how much I appreciate when it is in my area.  Just because I am out of the clear, doesn't mean other are as well.
Tornadoes are nasty yet amazing little critters, their damage path can be somewhat unpredcitable. (take a hooked trailer off a pickup and toss it hundreds of yards yet leave no marks on truck).  I have or should I say had a 50+ year old ash tree out front, thanks to straight line winds is now just a whole in the ground.  Not the only tree in the area that got nailed by straight line winds, not tornado.
Lightening inside a house is also dangerous.  I was maybe 5 when it hit our house, a day I will never forget.

Grumpy off:
When people report how high of wind they experienced, how do they do know?
June 6, 2008 12:02 PM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Thank you Jeremy and everyone else for your reporting - and for everyone on the blog.  I actually fell asleep at around 8:00 lastnight - storms weren't in Kingsville yet - and I didn't wake up until the alrm went off at 3:30!  We had large puddles, so we got rain!  Guess we probably did get a little over an inch orso.
June 6, 2008 12:04 PM
 

LRCfan said:

First of all I want to thank the nbc action weather team for doing a tremendous job at keeping kc updated on the situation last night,and then I would like to thank Scott and Kristi at what they do to keep the bloggers calm and updated, I like your expertise.Also enjoy this beautiful friday it is nice outside,and tonight as Gary would say "It's Friday Night In The Big Town"!!!! Have a good weekend everyone and I hope everyone is doing fine with some of the damage that occured last night Take Care.
June 6, 2008 12:12 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Gary,

How confident are you that a similar setup will be present 50 days from today?

I know you're big on this cycling idea...it makes me wonder why you didn't call for this huge outbreak about 50 days ago if that map lines up so well? ***************** Notes, Gary is off the rest of today. I would ask Gary this when he returns on Monday. LRC aside don't you agree that severe weather is a micro scale event that needs micro scale and synoptic scale features to occur. With that said I don't think anyone would forecast a severe weather outbreak 50 days out. Just ask the SPC/NWS/or any met. how tricky a severe weather forecast can be the day of the event. Yesterday was probably the most anticipated severe weather day of the year. And yet it may not even rank in the top 3-5 outbreaks this year. I haven't looked but that is my guess. To the comment on forecasting this out another 50 days. I think Gary has always said the cycle begins to fade in either August or maybe September. But since this feature would be easy to pick out this may be a good event to look at 50 days down the road to help determine when the LRC fades or is still visible. I'd guess that the ULL would be farther north since the jet will lift more as the summer progresses. Jeremy
June 6, 2008 12:13 PM
 

stormlover said:

I got 1.25 inches in Liberty.  Thanks for the coverage last night.  You guys always look so professional & not like you're panicked like some other stations.
June 6, 2008 12:18 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Heads up to our friends in springfield,mo and st. louis,mo Tornado Watch til 7pm be safe.
June 6, 2008 12:19 PM
 

Roberto said:

Gary/Jeremy,
   I thought you had great coverage last night, breaking into programming only when necessary. I thought everyone that watched NBC last night had great coverage and was definately kept safe. Scott, well said. I am happy that everyone has their own efficient way to deal with "stress" from the blog in severe weather situation. ***************** I think viewers have been very supportive with our coverage the last 2 events. A good judge...our ratings during the severe weather coverage have been #1 or very close to it and we have received a total of 1 phone call complaining about the extended coverage. Those two factors and the number of blog hits is truly showing why was are Kansas City's weather leader and will continue to grow in our weather viewership in the months and years to come. Thanks for the comment! Jeremy
June 6, 2008 12:20 PM
 

ALBY21 said:

Well stated Scott!  You and Kristi are assets to this blog, and as I said last night, if some people have a problem with it then they should just leave the blog or keep their opinions to themselves.  We were all doing just fine on here until someone decided to be rude (whether they thought it was or not).  Just because someone does not have a meteorology degree does not mean they are not knowldegeable.  I, as well as many others, were very angered last night by the attacks on Kristi that were so bad that she even left the blog.  We know that the most reliable people here are the NBC Weather team, however when they are so busy analyzing data that they cannot help answer questions or anything else it is great to have people on here who are able to help and moderate.  We all know they are not the NBC Action Weather Team.  
June 6, 2008 12:25 PM
 

Matt P said:

I just received an e-mail from Sean Wilson saying he won't be having tours next year.  Costs are just too much for him, and he doesn't want to charge more than he does now.  I can't blame him.  I was hoping to get to go on one with him, but my schedule has been packed this year.
June 6, 2008 12:27 PM
 

kane1970 said:

JOCOSOB are you there!
June 6, 2008 12:29 PM
 

Matt P said:

alby21, I hope you didn't take my comment last night as an attack against anybody.  I had responded to somebody asking if they should seek shelter.  My advice was to listen to the weather team as opposed to individuals on here because they have more experience and more tools at hand.  If I felt uncomfortable with a weather situation and had to risk my safety based on somebody's advice, I'd much rather trust a pro than somebody who does it as a hobby.
  That being said, I wholeheartedly agree that there are some pretty knowledgeable people on.  I did not in one way intend to offend anybody and apologize if I did.
June 6, 2008 12:30 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Hello!! Great coverage last night weather team. The blog sure was full of comments and discussion...so much so that I was unable to read them all. My rain total for last night is 1.90 inches. Have a great day everyone.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
June 6, 2008 12:32 PM
 

grumpyred said:

Nobody can get every single spot warned at once when they are several warnings going off at once. To me, if you have to ask if you should take shelter... you probably should.
June 6, 2008 12:35 PM
 

ALBY21 said:

Matt P,
    My comment was not at all in response to yours.  I belive your comment was actually more tactful than others. :)
June 6, 2008 12:46 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

1.25" of rain last night here in Marceline...Wasnt very impressive, but great coverage last night Gary...I am hoping for a couple more severe weather set ups, then some nice, strong day time heating t-storms later in the summer.

Have a great weekend...WOW it is very windy here!!!!


Alex from Marceline
June 6, 2008 12:52 PM
 

macnkc said:

Thank goodness it did not materialize as others were saying.  Guess I can bring my bed back up from the basement and take my bike helmet off.   Another "Day after Tomorrow" has passed.  
(This is not directed at weather team)
June 6, 2008 12:53 PM
 

suz01 said:

Many thanks to the teams (weather and bloggers) last night for the coverage and info being passed along all day and night. Well done.
But I must say, the most memorable, and delightfully endearing, was watching Gary answer the telephone calls right in the middle of his updates. Talk about keeping it real! Way to multitask!
June 6, 2008 12:54 PM
 

farmgirl said:

Hi Jeremy, We had close to 1.7 inches of rain in La Cygne.

Very happy the humidity is not too bad today. All the animals are happy and healthy and soaking in the nice rays. Can't wait to get home tonight and go for a little ride. This has been a wild week. My insurance adjuster is still MIA! But I am thankful for this nice day.

All the KSHB weather team did Great job on keeping everyone informed yesterday and remaining concise and specific to the different areas of weather. I really appreciate that you focus on all  viewing areas, not just the metro.
June 6, 2008 1:05 PM
 

DaveC said:

Good post scott, some of you can share my opinions much better than I can sometimes, I will make on comment toward ALBY21 and leave this issue alone for now.

ALBY21, asking someone to leave because they share a differnet opinion is what I consider absolutely unacceptable comments. I never asked for anyone to leave this board. From my neck of the internet your post is called trolling.
June 6, 2008 1:06 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Just to address DaveC's issue. I was falsly accused ,by you Davec ,of calling people idiots when I was just trying to point out that some people choose not to look at weather maps and learn about them and I though that was a bit unfair. I didn't call anyone an idiot but you chose to portray me as such. Im relatively new to this blog and I should maybe find a different one altogether. It would be nice to keep things weather related and not take things personally but there are a small few that seem to thrive on trying to accuse and insult. I have formidable knowledge of weather and reading maps as being a trained spotter for 8 years and now I do it as a hobby and to inform. I am a photographer and try to get interesting images of weather as well. Anyways, I just wish that everyone would not try to read between the lines when chasers like myself just put the facts of weather situations out there. This should be informative and no one has to believe everything on this blog. There almost needs to be a different secure blog for chasers and trackers that do have knowledge of the weather so that the few on here that really don't care to learn or care to use the tools we do to discuss severe weather situations don't have to feel scared or insulted or whatever. I guess there are plenty of other blogs out there but I happen to enjoy this one despite a small fews intent to stir up trouble. My 2 cents.
June 6, 2008 1:24 PM
 

ALBY21 said:

Dave C it was your comment specifically that made Kristi leave.  You did not simply state an opinion...had you done so that would have been fine.  You demeaned Kristi and that was unacceptable.  

Also, you may want to check your definition or trolling...

Im done with the issue now.  We know who on the blog to pay attention to and who not to...Kristi is an asset and the religious bloggers know this.
June 6, 2008 1:27 PM
 

siraluce said:

KCK near N 18th and State Ave:

Storm overnight:  1.25

June to date:  2.20

Year to date:  21.41

Amazing some of the variations in short distances with this line of storms.

June 6, 2008 1:32 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Oh for pity sake. I'm in a stupid tornado watch til 7 pm. Now it's pouring and thundering. I can't wait til the 15th. Isn't this all supposed to die down by then?
June 6, 2008 1:36 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Kristi is an asset to this forum as are many others. It was sad to see that all that stuff went down like that last night when I logged on this morning. DaveC, I don't know what your issue is but it really isn't fair. There are other blogs you can go on man.
June 6, 2008 1:37 PM
 

grumpyred said:

Mammatus don't leave, there are some of us here that DO want to learn.  I must of missed alot yesterday, but I do know that Kristi left and I'm not happy.  She as well as others are a tremendous assest to this blog.  To me, the ones who inform, educate etc, it is much more than a "hobby" to them.  
June 6, 2008 1:38 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Im done with it but I had to have my say. Back to the weather.
June 6, 2008 1:39 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Grumpyred ~ I don't know how others report the wind speed but I keep my local weather bug on my desk top. It gives me the rain totals, live wind speeds and gusts along with a bunch of other stuff.
June 6, 2008 1:39 PM
 

grumpyred said:

Lorie, it sure has been active one for you :(
June 6, 2008 1:40 PM
 

DaveC said:

Mammatus, are you sure your talking about me? because I re-read my post from last night and not one post of the 3 or 4 were directed at you or even addressing you in any fashion. I have no clue who you are.

Ably21, Okey, you have spoken, I have also, lets agree to move on with and not dweal on this anymore.
June 6, 2008 1:42 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Im not going anywhere grumpyred. I just hope that some people on here will begin to understand that the people on here like Scott and Kristy and the many many others are here to discuss something we enjoy(unless its life threatening) which is the weather. We aren't here to fight and point fingers so I hope the ones that feel they have to will stop doing it.
June 6, 2008 1:47 PM
 

siraluce said:

Regarding the two maps shown on this blog as indicating confirmation of the 'LRC,' while the overall long wave pattern is similar, the upper lows details are quite different in the two maps, it seems to me.

In the April map, the upper low is centered over west-central Missouri with the area of greatest lift near the Mississippi River from Arkansas/Mississippi into Illinois.  

On the otherhand, yesterday's map shows the upper low centered over South Dakota, or around 300 miles to the northwest of the April low.  The corresponding action zone is also to the northwest.. from northeast Kansas into the northwetst tip of Missouri into Iowa.. which just happens to be the area where several tornados touched down and some of the heaviest rain occurred (3-4 inches Manhatten KS, area.. wow).

Also, I thought the period was 54 days, not 'around 50 days' or 49 days as in the above example.  

This pattern with the storm track from the pacific northwest into the great basin and 4 corners and then into the central US with a ridge and dry conditions in the southwest and southeast has been ongoing for months.  Seems like the classic general 'La Nina' pattern to me.

**********************

If you want to use La Nina for forecasting long range that is fine.  We have been using the LRC this winter/spring for forecasting and we think it has been used with great success picking up the overall trends. 

Regarding the maps Gary has stated in many blogs in feels the cycle is right around 50 days.  And personally I don't think with a seasonal adjustment for the jet stream those maps could get too much closer.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 1:48 PM
 

Mammatus said:

DaveC......June 4th 4:50pm on the blog called "todays setup"  We were talking about the possible outbreak thursday. Sorry if I offended you but no I think i see where you are coming from since reading your attacks on Kristi last night. Im in no way confrontational but you were out of line.
June 6, 2008 1:54 PM
 

DaveC said:

haha Mammatus, that was Davidmcg, not me.. lol
June 6, 2008 1:59 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Jeremy ~ I have a question. Someone told me that the increased tornadic activity and the rise in the amount of earthquakes was caused by sunspots. Is that true and if so how did we get sun spots this year as opposed to last year?

Thanks
June 6, 2008 2:00 PM
 

Eswar said:

4.84 inches of rain so far in June at 151st and Mur-Len in Olathe

******************

Thanks for the total!

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 2:04 PM
 

Zazel said:

Sun spot activity is cyclical, I believe somewhere around every eleven years it reaches a maximum, although they can happen at anytime and surely happen every year, probably mutliple times of varying intensity.  No, sun spots don't increase tornadic activity or affect the number of earthquakes.  The electromagnetic energy released by them can, however, disrupt satellites, power grids, and communications as well as causing the Aurora Borealis to be stronger, more colorful, and seen from latitudes farther away from the poles.
June 6, 2008 2:10 PM
 

Mammatus said:

Oh heck man/ Sorry
June 6, 2008 2:11 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Thanks Zazel. Oooo, would love to see the Aurora Borealis when there are more sun spots. It's on the top of my "must do in my life time" list.
June 6, 2008 2:14 PM
 

twinkiekid said:

Zazel,
I disagree.  I think that the sun plays a major role in weather.  If weather is the engine then the sun is the fuel.  Thus any changes in the strength of the sun would eventually have a change in weather patterns.

SimplyKristi,
Hope to see you back again.  This entry is probably pretty moot right now but I just wanted to let you know that I value your input.
June 6, 2008 2:18 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Tornado warning for strong rotation to effect southern st louis.
June 6, 2008 2:24 PM
 

woolgrower said:

Hey Jeremy, or anyone else that can answer this for me....I need to bale hay, need about 3 days of dry weather to do it.  I see rain chances on Monday.  Where is the greatest risk for rain?

Thanks!
June 6, 2008 2:35 PM
 

LibertyB said:

Beautiful outside right now! Glad we finally got rain last night.

BTW, a barrel of oil cost 140 dollars now!!!!! This is getting out of hand.

*****************

I'm glad I only buy oil in quarts...not barrels:)

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 2:35 PM
 

Zazel said:

I should probably just go back to making maps and writing programs but I can't help myself!  I believe I understand what DaveC is saying, and that it isn't necessarily just her, but she made for an excellent example yesterday.  Let me say I believe Kristi has quality weather knowledge is an asset to the blog, and most of the time I enjoy reading her comments.  However, yesterday Kristi essentially became the person to ask if you had any question which you needed answered.  A few times she would say she doesn't do analysis but just tracks storms and didn't give an answer.  I guess what seems odd to me is Kristi was seemingly eager to tell people their family, wherever it may have been, was in no danger.  I know Knob Noster came up and she said there was no danger.  If I'm correct, I believe they actually ended up under a tornado warning later last night for the bowing squall with embedded tornado potential.

The larger problem I see, is the huge influx of chat room conversations as of late.  I believe alot of this started over the last couple months as a few bloggers tried/try to calm the panicky petes.  Some days I can scroll for pages and not see a weather related comment.  I long for the days when Scott would post what he thought might happen, and Gary would speculate more about what might happen.  I think the blog at this point is turning into more of a marketing tool for NBC than a teaching tool, or at least teaching something other than what anyone could learn with a tiny bit of effort on their own.  I suppose that was inevitable though.  If only we could go back to the days of when we talked about weather analysis and speculated on storm tracks, etc. instead of hearing about irrational fears, dogs pooping, drinking beer, and personally attacking one another instead of the ideas. ~ Dave
June 6, 2008 2:35 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Hi Gary and Jeremy! I just woke up after being up all night with you guys. I know I shouldn't rub it in =) I just want to say what an awesome job you did last night and if I wasn't watching the storm I was watching you. Let me say this. You guys are my heroes no doubt about it because I've always wanted to be a meteorologist but my math skills are horrible and we'll just leave it at that. To see a Team like yours it just makes me so happy and I just light up everytime I see you guys on you guys reallly are my heroes and I envy you and I think you guys are Great. Much love guys.

Jonathan
June 6, 2008 2:49 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

sorry about the horrible run on sentence...
June 6, 2008 2:51 PM
 

grumpyred said:

That's the difference with Kristi, she took the time to help others out.  Whether someone's fear is irrational is not up to you to judge.  Have you ever been rescued from a pile of rubble or had to rebuild your entire life, that would make anybody a panicky pete.  I didn't realize we were not allowed to ask questions.
June 6, 2008 2:58 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Okay...for Dave's satisfaction.

well it's sunny outside wind's blowin a little I think it's warm outside..but I don't know

okay lemmee look again...well it's still sunny outside the wind's still blowing and I think it's still warm. shall I check a third time
June 6, 2008 3:07 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Jeremy..I know you can't/won't answer, but I am at a loss...

While I support the concept of the recurring patterns, the 500mb level analysis just doesn't do it for me.  I have tried, and only in long loops can I see some comparisons, but map to map comparisons don't do it for me anymore.

Here is why...

I could argue the merit of this day to that of June 6th as well...

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin-spc/getuadata.spc?MyDate1=080411&Time1=12&MyDate2=&Time2=12&Align=V&Levels=500

56 days.  48 days. [not really 49 days as the above is 0z for that day]

Just food for thought..why not use the 12z the day before?  

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin-spc/getuadata.spc?MyDate1=080418&Time1=12&MyDate2=&Time2=12&Align=V&Levels=500

The ULL is better alligned to show a closer depiction..but wait...hmmm...the west coast ridging is absent.

Dunno...not sure this method of evidence is effective anymore.  Those who want to believe do, regardless of the maps, those who don't won't because of the maps, and for folks like me, I believe irrespective of the maps because I did my own analysis.

Guess I don't see the value in it further to just show map to map and call it evidence. 

-----------

Scott and RDUB,

I don't disagree with your points and questions.  There are other times in the cycle that can be compared, but not with all of the features.  There are two aspects to my the LRC that must always be considered.  Not just the cycling pattern, which is one aspect, but the "long term" longwave troughs, or "memory" of the pattern that keeps repeating.  Other features will drop into the main positions and look similar to the maps I posted, but this comparison I showed today is not a coincidence.  I can show how day to day is matching up with the other cycles since October. 

Of course you guys will struggle with this.  It is not easy to see.  But it is there, hidden in the chaotic weather patterns.

We will try very hard to go a step further in the next few months.

Gary 

June 6, 2008 3:08 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

a cumulus cloud looks like it's trying to develop oh no that's a bird
June 6, 2008 3:09 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Good luck all working it out..seeya.
June 6, 2008 3:09 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Scott I'm glad your part of this blog
June 6, 2008 3:10 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Day 3 outlook looks good for me. I would like to see us in 30 percent though right now everyone is in 15 percent  probs
June 6, 2008 3:12 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I'm gonna repost what I said to the team earlier because it's right below a quasi Linear negative comment.

Hi Gary and Jeremy! I just woke up after being up all night with you guys. I know I shouldn't rub it in =) I just want to say what an awesome job you did last night and if I wasn't watching the storm I was watching you. Let me say this. You guys are my heroes no doubt about it because I've always wanted to be a meteorologist but my math skills are horrible and we'll just leave it at that. To see a Team like yours it just makes me so happy and I just light up everytime I see you guys on you guys reallly are my heroes and I envy you and I think you guys are Great. Much love guys.

Jonathan

*******************

Jonathan,

Thanks for the comments, we try to get better with each severe weather event we experience. 

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 3:27 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Scott, read your post of earlier today. I agree whole-heartedly, especially that the blog has regenerated itself since its inception. As one of the almost original bloggers I have watched things ebb and flow. For me personally, I have enjoyed and learned much and I will probably continue to peek at the blog now and then. Once again, I am at work and can't help but look.

But, all in all, it is becoming too hard to get past the comments, esp. during high volume time. I don't know why some make inappropriate remarks and then apologize. Just don't make them to begin with, it says something when someone has to continually apologize. While I recognize that there are some knowledgeable people here some do tend to overdo it to the point it is not the KSHB blog anymore, I know I can always hop over to Scott's blog to check up on things anyway. I do not care what you just ate or that your dog evacuated his bowels. How is that related to weather? We all comment on non-weather topics but that goes to an extreme.

I want to learn and I want to learn from those I know absolutely have an idea of what they speak. I will continue to check what my favorite team has to say, what Scott writes and a couple of others (StormDog I miss your posts) and I will continue next year with Sean, as he is an exceptional teacher. But for now I feel it is best after 3 years to just keep my time here minimal at best , if at all, for awhile until people can stop acting like this is some teen age text message site and thump us for not listening to their so called "expertise."

I am not concerned if this gets me bashed, I am sad to feel forced to leave but my patience has worn thin. Lots of us have troubles and personal issues that do not make it to the blog and yet we are here. It is not an excuse for poor behavior or for overbearance.

I can always watch the team on TV for updates on severe weather as they will break in with professional advice and warnings when the need arises and I feel that will keep me and my family appropriately aware. Well, that and checking out Scott's site and a couple of other mets here that have personal sites.

Jeri
























June 6, 2008 3:30 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I'm sorry I made you feel that way Jeri...I really liked you I still do.
June 6, 2008 3:34 PM
 

macnkc said:

Zazel, why are you judging those who have a problem with weather?  Fears may be well founded tough guy.  Siraluce,thanks for the totals.  I was wondering what we got in this area while I was "cowering" in the basement.
June 6, 2008 3:47 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I really don't know what to do Gary and Jeremy. I thought I was part of this great place and I still think I am. But what happened. I feel like I made it go bad. I had no idea that the things I said last night were going to turn in to this. about the "cold ones" and the "dog". I'm SO SORRY. I don't have the greatest social skills in the world. I try my best. All  I wanted to last night was make people laugh during a scary situation. A lot of people did. A lot of people didn't =( I'm so sad now i don't know what to do. I know that you guys are the best meteorologists out there and I have so much respect for you guys. I just wish this didn't happen.
June 6, 2008 3:48 PM
 

RDub said:

Scott, you have hit on a problem I have with the anecdotal and non-systematic presentation of the LRC that we always see. Sure, the two maps posted above look very similar. But how do we know that there aren't other map pairs that also look very similar, but are separated by 28 days, or 36 days, or 71 days?

Until someone does a systematic analysis along these lines, I just can't accept that there is a single recurring cycle going on.

I do believe that we get persistent long-wave patterns that influence the weather all year, but this is not a new theory. Lots of mets believe that.

******************

Rdub,

Can you post the theory you are referring to and which mets that you know of support it?

Also, I'm not sure but I think Gary is the only one that I've seen put a window on the number of days that each cycle occurs and the time window that it usually develops in.  Meaning it sets up in October-November.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 3:56 PM
 

Randy Cooper said:

ok everyone, heres my entry for yesterday's storm chasing trip:

I got off work at 2:30PM and headed west on 36. Got to St. Joe around 4:00 and met lisa there. we headed out at about 4:15 still traveling west on 36. Got to Hiawatha and a severe warned cell was to the west moving fast to the NE. We quickly got onto 73 and headed north to intercept. by the time we got to Humboldt, Nebraska it was still to our west. Had a very low shelf cloud and it was rotating. by now it had been tornado warned. it passed by us and we chased after it for a while to the north, which was useless because of how fast these storms were moving. Got to Nemeha, NE when we heard tornado warnings for 40 miles southwest of Falls City. We were about 45 miles northwest of there so i made a quick u-turn and went as fast as i could down there. we got to falls city just as the tornado sirens started going off. we saw not one but two lowerings! one was to the WNW of town and one(the biggest most rotating one) was to the SSW. We watched both of them and saw the one to the SSW actually drop a tornado, but in a matter of 2 or 3 seconds it became quickly rain wrapped. we let them both pass before geting on 159 toward I-29 going parallel to the storms. We got to I-29 and headed north. Unforunately we ran into two separate accidents. We passed both of the Semi flipped accident sites. It started getting dark so we decided to call it a day and headed back to St. Joe to get my truck we had left behind. We stopped at Walmart and than we were off to Maryville(home for lisa). This was around 9:50PM. Look at the time I gave, can you guess what happens next? We were making the turn onto Highway 71 North to Maryville when my radio went off and said that there was a tornado warning for Buchanon County and that it was moving north. I thought, "O Shoot, thats coming toward us!" so i told lisa to pull off at the exit for Savannah just in case we needed to take cover somewhere. Savannah is actually 5 miles south of the exit we had taken and by this time the tornado warned cell had entered Andrew county. i did not want to drive right into it so i decided to keep going and if we have to we will find cover somewhere. we started out again, by this time things started getting really freaky, it was just like we were in a twister movie or something. i got on the phone with my parents in chillicothe and they were watching gary and jeremy track the cell. i didnt know what to do! seeing a house on the side of the road i pulled into the driveway and a man was standing at the door. i ran up and asked if he had a basement. he did, so we went up to his porch and luckily we didnt need the basement. we stood on his porch and watched the storm go on by until the warning expired. We thanked the man(wish i had gotten his name) and were on our way again. better safe than sorry.

Needless to say, i have a new found respect for night tornadoes. Overall a very good chase day i'd say!

June 6, 2008 3:58 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Is anybody going to the dog n jog on Sunday?
June 6, 2008 3:59 PM
 

radman22 said:

I just wanted to say I think your team did a great job all day and nailed it!!!   I really appreciate Gary staying up late in the night (on his day off) to keep us updated.   He must have been the only one there because he was answering viewers calls.    One even got mad that Conan was being interupted.    

I will enjoy this great day as I know we wont have many more for a few months
Thanks again for all your hard work and dedication.

Joe

******************

Joe,

Thanks for being a part of the blog and watching our coverage.  The focus now is on the potential for heavy rain Sunday/Monday.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 4:01 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

That's very exciting Randy I'm glad you had fun. too bad I wasn't out there with ya!
June 6, 2008 4:02 PM
 

Awtherfrd said:

I just want to say that I have been so impressed with Gary and his zeal for the weather.  I have always been fascinated with the weather but this blog and Gary have taught me so much. My co-workers now ask me every morning, "what did Lezak say is supposed to happen today?" His forcasts have made me look like I actually know what I am talking about. If there are any other Lezak groupies out there I used my actual skill, graphic design, and made an LRC t-shirt. You can check it out in the link.
June 6, 2008 4:02 PM
 

macnkc said:

Not me, my dog is a shih tzu and he doesnt run unless he feels like it.  Walk carefully Sunday Jonathan!!
June 6, 2008 4:05 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

We have the weirdest weather down here. I was just tracking a red and yellow blob headed for me and it all of a sudden turned north. So once again, I've been spared (not that it was a bad storm) I'm not complaining because there have been times in recen weeks where this has worked to my advantage. We must have some kind of trough or something. This used to happen when we were in a severe drought a few yrs ago and you all were getting the rain. The storms would split and go around. Happened last night, happened Tuesday night, happened (thank you Lord) on May 10 with the tornado.

Just weird observation
June 6, 2008 4:07 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

thanks mac! I'm taking my pekingese, and my wife of course=)
June 6, 2008 4:07 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Let me get on Radar Lorie
June 6, 2008 4:10 PM
 

GaryB said:

It's fairly obvious we are in a similar trend to 1993.  It also sort of fits well with the LRC.  The 93 trend has fit in since early March.
Summer Forecast
Since mid March, I've believed we were in the same pattern as 93 and it's obviously working just fine- unfortunately.
In 1993, we barely reached the 90's through mid July. We did reach the 100's the first week of August. We will remain in a rainy period with the heaviest rain right at or north of us.
The second crest of the MO River will be around Monday, but this will be the first of several that will lead up to a final crest in early July.

SHORT TERM:
Expect severe weather late Sunday to Monday morning and again Thursday through early Sunday. The heaviest rainfall will fall north of us in the Missouri River Basin.

LONG TERM
There won't be too many breaks in the rain. It's pretty much an every 3 day deal. Expect the MO River to do what it did in 93 as the heavy rain continues to pound areas N of St. Joe.
June 6, 2008 4:12 PM
 

juba said:

I'm going to post  this every day for a week: please review the skycams from last night, timing between `10:30 & 10:33, I do belive I saw ball ligning last night between those times loating around the top of the creen in the backround. Can you please review it? Thanks, Juba.
June 6, 2008 4:14 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

you may not be done for the day though Lorie there are scattered storms everywhere down there as I'm sure you noticed.
June 6, 2008 4:14 PM
 

Awtherfrd said:

June 6, 2008 4:15 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Thanks Hail. It's just so weird how the storms approach and then either split and go around or head in different direction before heading in the original course.
June 6, 2008 4:17 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

yeah it's weird.
June 6, 2008 4:22 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

great job last night, sure got a lot of rain, didnt check the gauge though and the dog knocked it over.

scott love your analysis and like how you just give your facts and move on.

i think kristy gives great weather knowledge but would agree with DaveC on the nowcasting, she is though a big part of the blog and cares about everyone so she is just trying to help
June 6, 2008 4:26 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

we lost Jeri, Lorie....=(
June 6, 2008 4:26 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

I know, Hail. I like Jeri. :-Y Maybe she'll be back. I'm hoping weather will going boring the rest of this summer and everybody will just chill on the blog.

Signing off. I'm heading out tonight. Have a good weekend everyone.
June 6, 2008 4:32 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

C in Raymore. Thanks for acknowleging that about Kristi. She is lover not a hater and she cares about everyone. she may overdo somethings or use her "gut" as she calls it too much (lol) but she is a loving and caring person and is always trying to do the right thing.
June 6, 2008 4:32 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

 
Awtherfrd   haha that is great! very cute
June 6, 2008 4:32 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Bye lorie have a good weekend! and a good night!
June 6, 2008 4:34 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Awtherfrd. when money gets a little better for me I will definitely be investing in one of your T-shirts!!! I will where it ALL the time
June 6, 2008 4:35 PM
 

HillsdaleBruce said:

My posts this week:

Monday afternoon
.10 inch at Hillsdale Lake from the first bit of of rain, then a whopping 2.15 inches more in about 45 minutes from the big cell for a total of 2.25"

Tuesday afternoon
got .85 inches out of that early morning storm.  That means 3.10 within 24 hrs for Hillsdale Lake.

Wednesday early morning
Hillsdale Lake 1.95" this evening.  36 Hour total is 5.05"

And, for Friday I had another 1.95 inches in the rain gauge.  This was higher than what the Nexrad Accumulation Estimate was, but oh well.  It usually is dead on.

So, 7.00 inches in 5 days at Hillsdale Lake.

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Thanks for the report!  You could use a break for 5-7 days!

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 4:35 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Bruce...it sounds like you won't need water for a year!
June 6, 2008 4:40 PM
 

davidmcg said:

A detailed map of the 13 confirmed tornadoes that touched down yesterday in Kansas can be found here;

http://www.wibw.com/weather/headlines/19589719.html
June 6, 2008 4:47 PM
 

MikeB said:

1.1" south of Pleasant Hill...Add that to 4" + for Tuesday night. I believe the cell that prompted the warning for JoCo Mo late last night passed right overhead. It was FLYING through. Lots of cloud-cloud lightning, not nearly as many impressive strikes as Tuesday night. That's a good thing, though.

It is interesting to watch

Nice work to all.

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Thanks for sharing your totals.  I wonder how many locations see 10" or more of rain this month?

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 4:47 PM
 

davidmcg said:

1.89 here in central Jefferson County.  Top wind gust was 42mph.  For us the lightening was heavier.  Lots of strikes, Valley Falls and Grantville both were without electricity long into the night.  Tuesdays storm stayed south of the Kansas River and did not effect us -- lucky us.

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Thanks for the total.  Glad to hear everyone has power back from your estimation.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 4:54 PM
 

pilotskcx said:

Jeremy,

We made it back last night in time for the news.  It looks like Russ is becoming quite the seasoned chaser!

And...we only used 1 1/2 tanks of gas!  Not bad for out to Salina and back.

I'm trying to render out this footage as we speek un-edited, so to speak.  I'll try and host and stream it through my blog.  If you guys can use any of it, you're all welcome to it.  I can also cust send you a DVD if that's better for your producers.

We didn't get any funnels but I think we got some really great formations and such.

I hope to have my blog updated later tonight with the chase log.

I hope the rhumors aren't true about Sean calling it off for next year.  I'm sure it's really hard to just try and break even these days.

I can't believe we made the same decision as he did to go South from Salina.  We didn't even know he was in our area...hehe.

Take care guys and thx as always!

Jeff Nielsen

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Jeff,

Send me an email when you get the footage done.  I'll check it out on your website.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 4:56 PM
 

soulwinnerrj said:

1.50" of rain in my gauge here in Leavenworth, KS.  4th & Limit Streets


Ryan in LV

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Ryan,

Thanks for the rain total!  Keep us posted.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 5:32 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

I think once the Jet Stream shifts to the north as Gary indicates it is, our rain will shut off and we will go into full blown hot & steamy - but not rainy - summer. I think the comparisons to 1993 need to stop.

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I don't see that shut off coming very soon.  Probably 2-3 good rain chances in the next week.  1993...hopefully not.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 5:45 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Gary and jeremy we've raised 65 dollars now for the dog and jog!
June 6, 2008 5:56 PM
 

MROBIN said:

I am a stalker of this website and have never left a comment.  I do have to say, I was pretty shocked to read all the advice about who was safe and who wasnt and who should/should not be taking cover.  This advice should only be provided by a professional.  I am an "armchair meteorologist wannabe" myself but I cant imagine feeling the least bit qualified to go any further than report conditions and chat about the weather.  Rudeness is not a good trait to intruduce into blogs; however rudeness never killed anyone.  Lets keep the blog within logical boundaries.  No one owns this blog.  If the dissention keeps up, I could see Gary yanking it for good.  

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We value everyone's comments and never want to limit what people have to say.  If you are familiar with this blog...you know the ground rules already:)

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 6:00 PM
 

IBlameMyMom said:

wow...nice shirt elizabeth alex! LOL - Yes, I know this is not weather related...but..:)

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I just shared this with her and she got a kick out of making it into the blog:)

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 6:00 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

MRobin this happened yesterday. the blog has been relatively calm today lets keep it that way.

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Everyone got the message...let's focus on the weather.

June 6, 2008 6:16 PM
 

MCIRamp said:

Hey Jeremy,

I was able to finaggle my way out of work Wednesday, I think, and was hoping to go chasing somewhere.  Do you think there may be any severe wx anywhere in the region that day? :)

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No.  Unless you want to take a loan out for gas and go into the Dakotas, MN, or WI:)  I was hoping to go too.  Maybe something will change.

Jeremy

June 6, 2008 6:43 PM
 

TyndallFlowers said:

I have pictures of some of the hail damage in Manhattan, where can I send them?

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jnelson@nbcactionnews.com

June 6, 2008 6:46 PM
 

Awtherfrd said:

how does the long range look for the 4th of July? We got evacuated off clinton lake last year.
June 6, 2008 7:16 PM
 

Matt P said:

Jeff Nielsen,
  The rumor about Sean was an e-mail from Sean himself.  He sent it to everybody who has a) chased with him or b) expressed an interest to.  Here is part of the e-mail:
"Just wanted to pass on some info for next years chase season.
Because of rising fuel costs and liability issues with the insurance industry, I'll be getting out of the Storm Chasing Tour business.
I can't see raising the costs of a Storm Chasing Trip any higher than they are right now.
My goal was to make storm chasing affordable for everyone who has a dream of being a Storm Chaser or just seeing some good storms or a tornado."
 He'll still be chasing, but he won't be able to afford the "tour" part of it.
June 6, 2008 7:18 PM
 

SmithvilleWest said:

0.75 inches of rain here two miles west of Smithville
1.125 inches of rain so far for June.
June 6, 2008 8:06 PM
 

pilotskcx said:

Matt,

Roger that, I got a private message from someone else also on this.  Having never met Sean before, I felt I'd at least give him 'the respect of the doubt'...if I'm allowed to mix phrases there, before posting as fact.

I'm sure the news is correct as you guys are closer to him, but I come from a different line of thinking on things like these.  In other words, as an outsider from his circle, I'd let him be the first to make it public.

It's very sad to see someone so well respected, probably just trying to break even to do what he loves and share it with everyone else, get pushed out by..of all things..bad speculation by the oil industry.

It's very very sad, and we wish him all the best.  Maybe we'll run into him sometime...I'd love to say hi.

Jeff
June 6, 2008 8:09 PM
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