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Flash Flood Watch...Possible Rain Totals

Watch NBC Action News HD at 5 & 10pm as we track the potential for heavy rain across the region!

Good warm and humid afternoon to everyone!  After about a one day break from the humid air it surged back into the region on schedule overnight.  Dew points today have been in the low 70s and air temperatures in the mid to upper 80s.  The abundant cloud cover across the area is the only thing holding us back from making a run at 90 today. 

Outside of the stratocumulus over the region.  Look at the line of clouds that extends from eastern Nebraska into central Kansas.  This is a developing line of strong thunderstorms and the SPC has just issued a tornado watch for this area.  The watch does not include our viewing area, but is very close.

The line of clouds on the satellite below is near a stationary front(at the moment).  This same front will drop southeast as a cold front on Sunday and give us a chance of thunderstorms for Sunday into Monday.

Before we discuss the rain chances I want to show everyone the surface map.  A few things to notice.  One the pockets of 90s in southeast Nebraska and into Iowa.  Secondly the very humid air on top of Kansas City.  And finally the front associated with the wind shift to the west.

With the thunderstorms developing to our west and the front sagging south tonight, it is possible that some of the thunderstorms push into northeast Kansas and northern Missouri.  This complex could develop into an MCS and push east.  I don't expect any rain in the metro tonight or early Sunday, but it may be close and we will need to watch how far south the storms and a possible outflow boundary advances.  This may impact our thunderstorm development time on Sunday if the outflow settles near Kansas City.

For Sunday, Flash Flood Watches go into effect for the entire viewing area.  Right now it looks like most of the thunderstorms(after any early morning stuff) should hold off until mid to late afternoon.  Thunderstorms will first be possible around or north of St. Joe and then begin to work south during the afternoon/evening.  There is a slight risk of severe weather on Sunday, but I think this would mainly be with the initial thunderstorm development or cells out ahead of the main line.  Greatest threat would be strong winds and hail.  The thunderstorms should merge into a linear structure or a line and move slowly.  This is the part where the greatest concern develops...heavy rain.  Right now it looks like a heavy band of 1-3" or more will develop somewhere within the viewing area just as we were thinking yesterday.  The 18Z NAM has that band occurring from the far southside of the metro into the southern part of the viewing area.  While the 18Z GFS has the heavy rain from around St. Joe right thru the metro.  The GFS is a little more bullish with the rain totals.

Let's look at things from the standpoint of the 12Z NAM & GFS for several locations in the area.  Here are the model forecast rain totals. 

Location                 NAM     GFS

KCI Airport           2.39"      2.96"

Olathe                    2.65"      2.51"

St. Joseph              1.60"      3.18"

Knob Noster          1.68"      0.84"

Chillicothe              2.06"     2.59"

Emporia                 2.74"      3.32"

No matter what any model says right now, it looks like flooding will be a concern for the viewing area and some locations will see 1-3"+.

Jeremy

Published Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:10 PM by Jeremy WxPlus

Comments

 

lezakEF5 said:

Do you think they may issue a moderate risk Sunday or Monday for parts of the viewing area?


Alex from Marceline, MO
June 7, 2008 4:40 PM
 

KCGladstone said:

I have a question....when there is severe weather in the area, why isnt there a live broadcast on NBC Action Weather Plus and 38 the Spot?  I understand that you have to be going to programming on NBC but why cant we have continuous coverage LIVE on Action Weather Plus?  I think you folks are the best at what you do but we are limited on seeing you when other stations are using all sorts of channels to broadcast damaging weather?

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We could look into doing continuous coverage on WxPlus if the situation warranted and it was just below the criteria to be continous on NBC.  But keep in mind there is a lot that goes into being on the air for extended periods.  We need at least about 2-3 production people to really do the coverage right.  Also, being on continuous on WxPlus, but not 38 or NBC can create some headaches in master control.  This is something we will certainly think about though for the future.  We want to continue to give our viewers the best and most comprehensive severe weather coverage!  Thanks for the ideas.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 4:49 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Good Afternoon Jeremy! Gosh It's HOT and MAN HUMID outside! Do you know how storms might affect the dog n Jog tomorrow? Thanks a lot have a wonderful day!

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Right now I think it should be dry in KC tomorrow morning.  We'll have to see if an MCS forms to our north and how far it makes it into the viewing area overnight.  But I expect the weather to be much better than last years dog 'n' jog when it was pouring rain!

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 5:45 PM
 

juba said:

Yeah, well I'm surprised that we haven't had one really rainy day this spring, every year I can remember there was always one BIG rainstorm with 4-8" of rain, last year's we got 7" of rain! Do you think that was ball lightning, or could it be something else?
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About 6.00" of rain so far in june! Gary look at your sky cams from thur night between 10:30 & 10:35, Why? Cuz I think I saw ball lightning at the top of the screen! Can't wait for the rest of the Monsoon! Byan ;) *************** Byan, We don't have the skycam images saved...but we could go back and watch the show if you saw it on the news. Jeremy
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Thanks, if you mean as in hte live news, yes. I saw it behind Gary's Head when he was talking, right before he said he would give it back to the anchors. ;)

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Juba,

Just watched the tape and that was not ball lightning you saw.  It was cloud to cloud lightning that illuminated the cloud.  Kind of neat none the less.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 6:02 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Hey we live out here in central Jefferson County JS, my wife said she saw ball lightening that same night to our SW between McLouth and Tonganoxie.  I have never witnessed ball lightening but I know a lot of people who have. Now because of Thursday I can add 2 more people to the list.

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Ball lightning is rare...so consider yourself lucky to see it!

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 6:14 PM
 

MCIRamp said:

You can make ball lightning in yout basement!  I wouldn't recommend trying it, but it can be done with a tesla coil and some silicon wafers...

Check this cool link out...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070122-ball-lightning.html

June 7, 2008 6:30 PM
 

Emmysmom said:

Any idea when we might get into a more normal, dry spell?  
I'm tired of rain and I'm tired of storms.  I want boring weather...even if its hot.

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Hopefully after this week we get a break.  Even 3-5 days of dry weather would be nice.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 6:31 PM
 

mamaq said:

Hey, Jermy, I sure enjoy this blog. We're having great big wind gusts here in St. Joseph with clouds building to the west. Feels like it's going to blow us off the hill! Keep up the good work, I count on you all to keep us safe.

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The wind has been very gusty today.  Winds will stay up tonight and tomorrow.  Storms are still a long way from St. Joe.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 6:40 PM
 

stjoelawyer said:

Ok now do not forget the number one weather killer flooding..... right now the mighty MIGHTY MO IS AT 24.37 ft it is at its highest stage yet and it was to have crested this morning.   Yesterday it had been running at about 3 feet below forcast now it is .6 ft above forcast some flooding is occuring in low lying areas with no levy.   SO FAR nothing major.  

AT 24.37 ft that is a top eight all time crest.  Corps, NOAA and NWS are having problems with THE MO RIVER FORCAST BECAUSE the rain is falling so near to the river on many 100 - 75 mile streams that are not gauged and they must rely on est rain fall.  The PLATTE in NE has dropped back to less than a flow rate of 16 kcfs per  minute from 47 kcfs per minute yesterday.

Omaha is 9 feet below flood....it is that west one quarter of IA but a great deal of that is picked up in the 102 River and Grand and dump into the Platte south of ST JOE.  VERY UNUSUAL.

IF THIS 1-3 inche hits up there we will have a prolonged crest at 24 ft or maybe even take it to 25 or 26 it is scary I hope it develops to the east and or south and misses the upstream part of MIGHTY MO BASIN .

thoughts....  

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Thanks for the update.  Everyone needs to keep in mind what rain/run off occurs upstream can be much worse that what falls in your own backyard. 

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 6:54 PM
 

daveg616 said:

Large tornado just spotted near the far south suburbs of Chicago.

Dave

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I see some damage reports coming in already.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 6:58 PM
 

IBlameMyMom said:

I went out to the Chiefs training today.. this warmth and humidty really takes it out of you.. :|
June 7, 2008 7:31 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

with those progged totals, KMCI will recieve - .57 in.  LOL...lets see how far off it is tomorrow.

I have to believe it will be low.

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In order for those totals from the NAM & GFS to hit KCI would have to be in the swath of heaviest rain.  We'll see how things play out, but there will be some locations that get heavy rain and some that without a doubt see low totals like you mentioned.  The viewing area is too big to support a 1-3" band everywhere.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 8:05 PM
 

LVStormSpotter said:

is there a possibility of tornadoes at the start of thunderstorms tomorrow afternoon anywhere around here? I am wondering if i will have a chance to chase tomorrow.

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I wouldn't rule out the possibility of isloated tornadoes.  Main threat is hail and strong winds.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 8:11 PM
 

siraluce said:

Good guess, KC weather guy!
June 7, 2008 8:15 PM
 

stjoelawyer said:

The heavy rain bands are just like the 40 mile wide heavy snow bands in the winter. . . but if the team says rain and it rains .25 through 3.00 inches people consider the forcast correct and right and it is.....this shows the hard part of forcasting snow amounts.     IF we held the team to .20 rain bands or even .50 12-24 hrs out they woud all quit...

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Or we would turn off the comment section of the blog:)

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 8:23 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Jeremy, my folks are leaving in the morning and driving back towards Liberal on 54 ontheir way to Phx. How are the storms looking for that area? I need to know if I need to keep them a day. My mom is ill and wants to get back home to her doctor but they will stay if they need to.

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If they leave early they should be fine.  Most of the stuff isn't until afternoon/evening.

Jeremy

Jeri...just stopping in out of concern for her folks' safety

June 7, 2008 8:31 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Tornad on ground Smith County KS.  Confirmed by NWS employee spotter.

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That cell hasn't moved much.  Those are the type of storms that are enjoyable to chase when they don't race around at 50-60 mph.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 8:53 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

lol Jeri...its funny why you justify your posting today.
June 7, 2008 8:58 PM
 

davidmcg said:

The tornado reports are now flooding in in north central KS, along with 2radar indicated tornadoes.  Is it the nightime factor where people might be seeing rain shafts in the lightening strikes and not actual tornadoes?
June 7, 2008 9:19 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Ok Scott so I miss it...shhhh.
June 7, 2008 9:30 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Where is everybody tonight?  The blog is deserted and only 2 spotters on the StormSpotterNet in north central KS.  Lots of weather going on in the state.

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I'd guess people are drained after a busy week...and it is the weekend.  We are still getting a lot of hits with people reading the blog.

I would bet things pick up tomorrow with the potential for heavy rain and some severe weather.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 9:37 PM
 

twinkiekid said:

Thinking about golfing just south and east of Lees Summit tomorrow from 2-6.  Any idea whether or not we can stay dry and safe?

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Chances are you start dry...but ending dry...that's the question.  Rain chances go up later in the day.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 9:44 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Yea, interested only when its in their backyard instead of watching and learning ahead of time.  I can see the lightening from those storms in the upper level of clouds from my house.  Truly amazing the fireworks you can see from 75+ miles away.  I am waiting for your weathercast in 25 minutes.  I really want to hear the views and opinions of all you weather pro's tomorrow morning.  We might all want to pile onto an arc.
June 7, 2008 9:46 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

I keep checking in. Missed you Jeri. I'm sure I'll be glued here tomorrow afternoon and evening.

We had tornados very near us last night. I could hear the sirens over on the KS side. Our county was in a warning but it stayed to our north. :-P

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We'll look forward to you joining in the discussion tomorrow!

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 9:48 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Jeri. I would consider it a loss if you stopped blogging. Please stay with us. The days when it gets hectic really are rare. and I'm sorry if I got hyper the other night, like I just said I was trying to be humorous and make people laugh when they were scared and some did. but I won't do it again. So Jeri I respect you, I would really like it if you stayed with the weather blog. =)
June 7, 2008 9:53 PM
 

Awtherfrd said:

so with olathe in the 2-3" range for tomorrow should we expect the same in Gardner or slightly more being further south? Now if you could spread these storms out about one every 5 days I would be very happy.

http://www.zazzle.com/lrc_shirt-235010432022908057

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Those are model estimates...but I'd say 1-3"+ is a good range for much of the area.  The 00Z NAM puts KC about right in the bullseye!

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 9:54 PM
 

davidmcg said:

You know I would like to see a list of the counties in the four state area that didn't have an actual tornado or funnel cloud this year.  I bet it would be a short list.  An active winter weather season doesn't always mean an active spring severe season but it sure has this year.  We all need a break.

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I think after Sunday/Monday and potentially Thursday we will all need a good break!

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 9:56 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Lorie I'm glad you avoided the worst last night! Looks like tomorrow afternoon could be an active one as well. I just hope it stays dry for the dog and jog because I'm getting up early for it, Me get up early? Rare but it happens, especially if a member of the weather team is sponsoring or hosting it! I'm looking forward to it Gary. Like I said, Jeremy i'm sad you won't be there, but I hope I get the opportunity to meet you soon! Have a great evening!

Jonathan

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Have fun...should be warm and humid in the morning...and dry.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 9:56 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Thanks Hail. I'm already fretting about tomorrow. Trying hard not to though. Good luck at the dog and jog. I hope the weather is good for everyone there. My lab's would love something like that.
June 7, 2008 10:04 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Lorie, I wouldn't Fret about tomorrow, at least right now. because your on the southern fringe of the slight risk(the storms will be firing on the northern fring and your in the 15 percent for probs which is the least the probs can be for a slight risk so it doesn't look like a major outbreak, at least as of now. but as we all know things can change so just monitor it. and remember. other hobbies and Music are always healing when you are afraid.=)
June 7, 2008 10:09 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Thanks Jeremy! =)
June 7, 2008 10:12 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Jonathan, it wasn't just you truly truly, that was a miniscule bit of it. Although the day may come when I am forced to take you over my knee. It was the other comments and the well...it's over ...but really just concerned about my folks driving home with the area in a slight risk Sunday.
June 7, 2008 10:15 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Okay Jeri. But I really hope if your holding a grudge against me that you can forgive me because really I'm just looking out for everyone and I'm just trying to have fun with people and I don't mean any harm really. My social skills are not the greatest and I'm honestly still learning how to interact with people. I'm 26 and just now catching up with my age so I hope you can forgive me for my strange behavior sometimes.
June 7, 2008 10:19 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

If anyone is familiar with Aspergers Syndrome. I have that. If your not familar with it. It's kind of like a high functioning Autism, I know it's not weather related but I had a chat with one of the other bloggers on here I can't remember which one it was. It might have been Auroramama who's son has Autism so I was chatting with her about it.
June 7, 2008 10:32 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

I looked at the SPC for tomorrow and yeah, we know how it can change drastically overnight. Usually you'd think the "slight risk" would be ok but we've had really severe weather when we were in a "slight risk".  It's happened (I think) twice this last week.

What's got me is when you click on Probalistic. That looks nasty.
June 7, 2008 10:36 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

yeah but Lorie your not in that 30 percent. at least not on the Day 2 outlook. At 1 Am when they issue the Day 1 I don't know. As of now it's norht of you. and the storms are going to be, as far as I know, slow moving and training over the KC area either north or south so you will probably, I say PROBABLY unaffected until late tomorrow evening. But that's not set in stone. Like a lot of people say. that's up to a professional to say but. I'm stating that based on what a professional has said on TV. so that's my thought.
June 7, 2008 10:41 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

okay well I'm goin to bed now guys. Gotta get to bed for that Dog 'n Jog! g'night Jeremy, Lorie, and Jeri if your still here.
June 7, 2008 10:56 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I had some medical crises around here late this afternoon and evening so that's why I wasn't around.  

I couldn't believe how windy it got this afternoon.  It is still pretty muggy.

Kristi
June 7, 2008 10:57 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

okay well now I have to stay
June 7, 2008 10:58 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Hi KRISTI!
June 7, 2008 10:59 PM
 

simplykristi said:

You are too funny, Jonathan

I was tracking storms across WI before all broke loose around here.  What happened in Chicago?

Kristi
June 7, 2008 11:00 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I don't know I haven't been keeping track of weather happenings around the country I just know it's been Hot and Humid. My gosh humid around here. I'm going to the dog n jog tomorrow morning though!
June 7, 2008 11:03 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Here's an article on the Chicago Tribune website:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/weather/chi-080607-severe-weather,0,7460983.story

Looks like tornadoes in the north and southeast suburbs of Chicago.  I know that at one point there were lots of tornado warnings for Wisconsin.

Kristi
June 7, 2008 11:06 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

wow! that's some tornado.
June 7, 2008 11:11 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

what happened today to you Kristi?
June 7, 2008 11:12 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

okay well I have to go cuz I really have to get up early tomorrow I'll talk to you tomorrow Kristi and I'll see you all tomorrow good night!
June 7, 2008 11:19 PM
 

twister11 said:

I hope Barack Obama's family is ok. They live in the southside of Chicago. But I do not think it is that far south.
June 7, 2008 11:21 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I will tell you later outside of the blog.....  I will update my journal.  I am looking for info from 1993 flood.  StJoeLawyer made a comment about the current MO River flooding and I wanted to see how this year compared to '93. :)  

Kristi
June 7, 2008 11:23 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Hey Tyler,
Did you read the article that I posted a link to?  I am not sure what part of Chicago his family lives in.

Kristi
June 7, 2008 11:24 PM
 

Lorie in SW MO said:

I've been busy playing with the new google earth (man, it's a hog ~ but cool) Off to bed too in case it's a long night tomorrow night. 8-{}
Hey Kristi!

Over and out.
June 7, 2008 11:24 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Hi Jonathan,
I will chat with you tomorrow..  I will be around.

Kristi
June 7, 2008 11:25 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The MO River is sitting 24.47 ft in St. Joesph as of 10:45 PM tonight.

Kristi
June 7, 2008 11:29 PM
 

twister11 said:

Kristi, your article is the one that showed me. I didnt have any idea before. Anyway, we gotsa keep the next first lady and her kids safe. haha. O I dont even know why I bring politics on to the blog. Can we do this? do you have a preference for Prez Kristi?

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The last thing we want in here is a political debate:)  Let's stick to weather...maybe the news will start a political blog in the fall.

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 11:33 PM
 

NicoleWasHere said:

So if there's gonna be heavy rain, when would be a good time to break out the raft?
June 7, 2008 11:43 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Tyler,
Probably not a cool idea to discuss politics here.

Kristi

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Yeah...we'll stick to weather:)

Jeremy

June 7, 2008 11:53 PM
 

Randy Cooper said:

Just got back to Maryville!

Not a terrible chase day overall.

We targeted Ames, IA and got there around 1:30PM. We than shot up north on I-35 and stopped near Fort Dodge. We saw TIV(Tornado Intercept Vehicle) so decided to turn around and foolow it. Unfortunately we lost him because we had to turn around to follow him. so we determined where approximately he was heading. I sat looking at the radar and noticed a good looking cell well to the west of Mason City. We were about 55 or so miles southwest of there so we drove as fast as we could(about 90 the whole way) to try and intercept it, drivers were very nice as they saw me coming they pulled over and let me pass by. By the time we got to about 20 miles west of mason city the cell had grown into a supercell. this is about the time i called jeremy to tell him what we were experiencing. he had to go on the air so i didnt even get to tell him. but anyways, we saw two chase vehicles pass heading east so we decided to follow. we followed them into mason city where the sirens were going off. we pulled into a gas station where all the TVN(Tornadovideos.net) chasers were. and lo and behold there was TIV. lol. wesat there for a while before taking off with them to the east. we got about 15 miles east of town when we started watching a developing wall clloud against a very green sky. we stayed here the rest of the time, unfortunately no tornado developed, though it did get very close a few times. We packed up and headed home around 7:30.

Note to Jeremy:
I have pictures of the wall cloud and others that i will send to you when i get back to chillicothe tomorrow night( i left my cable to transfer pics to the computer at home:(]
June 8, 2008 12:05 AM
 

Randy Cooper said:

Update:
We did actually see a weak touchdown. it was in the form of a weak dust cloud on the ground.
June 8, 2008 12:08 AM
 

davidmcg said:

'93 flood was no fun.  I helped evac people from a trailer court in KCK at the Turner Diagonal, sandbag a water plant in Fairfax and watch a family friends property in Wolcott go under water from the top of the dam at Wyandotte County Lake.  The big MO flooded Parkville and Riverside, almost took Fairfax and the downtown airport.  Lots of weather people have believed for months we were headed for the same thing from the middle of June to July.  Might happen, lots of rain in the upper MO river valley coupled with heavy snowmelt run-off.  For those on low lying area lets hope not.  The Big MO is already flooding parts of Atchison and Leavenworth.  Sherman Army Airfield at Ft. Leavenworth has already been closed because of the rising water.  Anybody been watching the stream and river gauges downstream from KC?  Doesn't look good.  Everybody think food, feed and fuel prices are too high now?  This rain and flooding continues it will only drive costs higher.
June 8, 2008 1:27 AM
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