NBC Action Communities

Blogs
Welcome to NBC Action Communities Sign in | Join | Help
in
Back to NBCActionNews.com Home Blogs

NBC Action Weather Blog

June 10th pattern & chance of T-Storms

It's a great Tuesday bloggers!

Today, we will go over the set-up for Thursday's chance of thunderstorms and talk about summer "trying" to settle in during the next couple of weeks.

Let's start with this weeks developing weather pattern.  Look below at the forecast map valid Thursday morning.  This is the 500 mb map (around 18,000 feet up).  This is really a great level of the atmosphere to look at the weather patterns as they flow across the northern hemisphere.  The weight at the top of the atmosphere is 0 mb (no weight), and it is around 1,000 mb near the surface.  So, 500 mb is about half way through the atmposhphere in weight and a great level to track storm systems as they develop and move across North America: 

There are a few features, on the map above, that I would like to point out.  First of all, the jet stream and overall flow continue to weaken as summer approaches.  The jet stream (strongest winds aloft) is actually created by the temperature contrasts that form.  This is why the jet stream is at its strongest in January and February, but now as we move through June, the cold air masses have lost their punch, so the heights continue to rise and the jet stream weakens, retreating northward to where the temperature contrasts exist.  As this happens, and the heights rise, it is time to look for the summer anticyclone. An anticyclone is a high pressure area, or the opposite of a cyclone (storm system or any low pressure area).  There is an anticyclone at 500 mb over the southeastern United States and has been responsible for the June heatwave in the east.  A storm, the upper low near the US/Canada border, is very slowly moving east and has a trough aloft that extends into the southwestern United States.  The southwest US is where the summer anticyclone will want to be most often because of the heat that develops over the deserts. Eventually, as the jet stream lifts north and continues to weaken, the southwestern Anticyclone will appear and be tough to move out, but not yet, with this pattern we are in right now.  And, with this year's LRC, we are expecting some active northwest flow stormy set-ups with possible repeat complex's of thunderstorms that could continue to increase the flooding threat during the next few weeks, even as summer attempts to settle in.

A storm is being generated at the surface by the weather pattern that exists aloft.  Look below at the GFS surface forecast for Thursday evening:

There is a lot going on in the above surface forecast.  The first thing to notice is a weakening cold front slowing down and stalling just south of Kansas City.  This will likely be the focusing mechanism for thunderstorm development Thursday into Friday, before the front sags out of our area leaving us with a nice weekend. 

At this time of the year, the fronts get weaker and weaker.  And, the humidity, eventually, will no longer get wiped out and pushed away.  This is one of the reasons we had enough low level moisture left over for Monday evenings severe thunderstorms that fell apart just north of Kansas City at 11 PM last night.  It was quite a lightning show before it fell apart.   My point is, though, that the dewpoints are not getting wiped out, despite this front being south of us.  Notice the light winds over Nebraska and Iowa. This is holding the high dewpoints in and setting our local area up for another potential heavy rain event.  Look below at the dewpoint forecast for Thursday evening:

The GFS is forecast 77 to 78 degree dewpoints pooling along the stalling front just southwest and northeast of Kansas City, as you can see above.  A series of weak waves can be seen in the 500 mb flow on the first map above. As these move across thunderstorms will likely develop and organize into one or two MCS's.  So, there is potential, again for a lot of rain.  This is becoming a bigger concern as the rain keeps falling near the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers and surrounding resevoirs.   Below, you can see the rainfall forecast from the NAM and GFS models from last night:

 

How will this all set up?  How much rain will fall?  Who will end up with too much rain and flooding?  Will there be severe thunderstorms? And, who will get the lowest amounts of rainfall?  We will be working on these questions and many more on NBC Action News tonight.  Be sure to watch, and we will also try to answer your questions in the blog as well.

Gary

Published Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:33 AM by glezak

Comments

 

Lorie in SW MO said:

Thanks for all of the great info. I'm learning so much by reading the blog.

-----------------

Your welcome Lorie.  Have a fantastic day!

Gary

June 10, 2008 7:46 AM
 

daveg616 said:

Gary,
I'm a firm believer in weather patterns (LRC). I'm starting to believe in this year's summer pattern, in which the summer anti-cyclone will anchor itself in the southeast part of the country instead of the southwest part of the U.S. There maybe times it moves toward the southwest, but the majority of time it will plant itself in the southeast. We'll have a wet summer, the east coast will be hot and the western part of the U.S. will have normal to below normal temps. Just  a thought.

Dave

----------------

Dave,

I think you have the right idea.  And, this pattern may be somewhat like you are now expecting.  The southwestern ridge always forms though.  So, let's see how it evolves.  There are parts of this year's LRC that will allow for a substantial southwestern anticcylone, but will it quickly breakdown, or just sit there once the heat builds in?

Gary

June 10, 2008 8:26 AM
 

5kckmartins said:

Good Morning Gary

Great blog.
Heard on the news down here that Washington state was getting a lot of snow, that's just unreal.  Glad its staying way up there..

Stacy

-------------

That storm is the one that will drag Thursday's cold front our way.

Gary

June 10, 2008 8:28 AM
 

jbtornado said:

Gary,

This year reminds me alot of summers we had in the 1990's when we never did get the heat to really build in. Remember for alot of years how KCI never would hit 100? We ended up hitting that more then enough for several summers in this decade so far though and I wouldn't mind going a few years without hitting 100 again.

I just have a hunch we will not be going into an extended drought/heatwave anytime soon around here either. This year just has the feel and setup of a summer where we will get many MCS thunderstorms to develop in the Central and Northern Plains and they will hit many times a week late at night. The drawbacks of this will be the mosquitos the size of bats we may have towards the later part of July.

---------------

JB,

The "bat"size mosquitos scares me.  Even butterfly size mosquitos are scary enough.  Anyway, this pattern will likely have a few runs at 100.  In the 90s, when we went 7 straight years of no 100 degrees at KCI, it sometimes didn't add up.  There were a few heat waves where it would get up to 104, 105, even 106 downtown, but KCI would end up at 99 degrees.  The thermometer was adjusted a few years ago and it seems to be a better representative of the regions temperatures now. 

We will know a lot more about how this years LRC will react to the higher heights very soon.

Gary

June 10, 2008 8:44 AM
 

5kckmartins said:

EEEks.. like you all need more rain.  I'm dreading finding out my basement is full of water.

Well we're on the move again.. will check back soon.  

Stacy N the Gang
June 10, 2008 8:52 AM
 

pilotskcx said:

Gary, Jeremy & Crew,

I finally managed to get the server up and the vids uploaded.  I made a storm chase blog entry on my site linked in my profile here.  Here's the link for those who want the short cut:

http://pilotskcx.spaces.live.com/default.aspx

It's the first entry and the vid links are about halfway down.  I've also included some pics at the bottom of our vehicles.  Sorry about the compression loss.

Sorry it took so darn long.

"These are not the videos of tornadoes on the ground, etc., that everyone's used to seeing.  We didn't have much materialize to our dismay, so please don't be dissapointed.

Please accept my sincere apologies for my bad narration and mischaracterizations of just about every storm feature, camera shake, etc..  I forgot how hard it is to navigate, narrate, shoot video, and look outside all at the same time.  I think we need Sean Wilson, Gary, or Jeremy to go with us and point out features then quiz us every 10 seconds (hehe), until it's second nature.

** Warning.  Very Large File Sizes, please allow plenty of time for buffering. **  To download 'right-click' and 'save as' "

Enjoy!  It was fun none the less.

Jeff Nielsen PLA414
June 10, 2008 9:16 AM
 

Zazel said:

Gary: "who will get the lowest amounts of rainfall?"

Hey Gary, you can sign up my area in far northeast KCMO as the lowest rainfall total for Thursday and any upcoming events this summer.  Kurt in St. Joe has talked about having no water surplus but yet, 1/3 of an inch bove KCI.  My numbers pretty much match KCI and apparently I've once again got the distinction of being the southern edge of the light rain zone that lies between here and St. Joe.  I'm happy to report the zone is still in affect.  Last night the storm in northeast Kansas made it close enough to my house that I could hear a few rumbles of thunder but not a single drop of precipitation.  ~ Dave

-----------

Dave,

We will start with your location and work on it from there.  The latest NAM has the heaviest rain south again, but let's see how this front stalls on Thursday.

Gary

June 10, 2008 9:19 AM
 

KC Danimal said:

Gary - Chicago and the Doobie Brothers are playing at Starlight on Thursday night.  How wet are we going to get?

--------------

I have seen the Doobie Brothers before, about 10 years ago, but not Chicago.  I would love to relax outside and experience Chicago in concert.  Hopefully there won't be a problem, but right now I would say there is a 70% chance of thunderstorms Thursday evening. 

Gary

June 10, 2008 10:14 AM
 

Awtherfrd said:

When I told my wife I bought a rain gauge so I could post our amounts for Gary and the guys on the blog she said, "Please don't become a nerd." Hah, too late for that.

I noticed you said that this could cause possibly two seperate MCS events. Could we expect the same 6pm-8pm then 11pm-1am setup that we keep seeing?

http://www.zazzle.com/lrc_shirt-235010432022908057
June 10, 2008 11:20 AM
 

xrysostom said:

Hi, Gary. Sorry that I wasn't around on before the news on Monday afternoon or evening to give you our rainfall totals from Emma but car troubles and the like got in the way. Anyhow, my 6 a.m. Monday subtotal was 2.98" and by the time I got home at around midnight, we'd accumulated a total of 3.47" from the entire storm. I figure that even if you don't list the totals on the weathercast, it's still good to have a better idea of all the surrounding precip in the area.

Walt Snyder
June 10, 2008 11:47 AM
 

BoiseStateFootballFan said:

I just had to log on to say that today's weather is the stuff mid-winter dreams are made of. It's simply delightful outdoors today!
June 10, 2008 12:51 PM
 

Awtherfrd said:

you were not kidding about the file sizes pilotskcx! I am at 20%.
June 10, 2008 12:58 PM
 

pilotskcx said:

Awtherfrd,

Yeah, I actually downsampled the resolution also...LOL!  I think I rendered them at 1280 X 720.  I should have made them even smaller.

Sorry guys.

None the less you can view them full screen + on your PC!  I'm running 1900X1220 now.

I probably should have made them normal 800X600 or something.
June 10, 2008 1:15 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

Gary:

A couple years ago, there were severe thunderstorms around Marceline, and one knicked us, or went over us, i dont remember, but as the storms clouds went over, golfball sized hail started to fall, and then it fell heavily.  The only thing was is that there was NO rain that fell at all.

How is it possible for it to hail that large, and heavily without raining.  That just doesnt make sence to me. Another think I remember before it started hailing was the extremely well defined mammatus clouds, they were huge brownish grey bubbles under the base of the clouds.

BTW,
Marceline storm total: 2.6 inches...........Alex
June 10, 2008 1:16 PM
 

Dwight said:

I must say that the wet weather has been great  for the lawn and my many, many wife's flower beds and is perfect at keeping everything green for back yard entertaining. Who wants to host bbqs when everything is brown in hot July anyway. Bring on the rain!
June 10, 2008 1:28 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Based on the pattern, it won't be long before the SW ridge settles in...it would fit with the central troughing that should be coming.

I have the same question..will the western troughing due after that be strong enough to kick out the high pressure?

I am betting not.  In fact, I think the region...in a large scale perspective as per seasonal norms will begin drying up soon.

My only resigning hesitation to saying the moist part of the pattern will cease is the persistent low level "cold" [relative term in late spring] that has been around since December has not shown great movement retreating north.

I still see evidence of it by where and how these frontal zones are stalling out and where the continued rain falls.

Should we have the high pressure begin to set up in the SW, it should push the cold air out of the region allowing summer to really take hold.

Gary, for the sake of your summer forecast..I am doing more rain dances for KMCI!  And..I am picking KMCI de facto since you won't.  I have asked several times to no response.  Since you pick your temps from KMCI, for the sake of verifying your summer forecast, I am using KMCI for both precip and temps.

Hope that is ok.  Right now...there is some work to do to verify a cool and wet summer...  ;-)

Currently, [and it is still VERY early], we are over normal temps..and it appears June will be signficantly wetter than average as we are over the norm 10 days into the month.

That said, I don't have much hope for July and August to preserve the cool and wet forecast.  And going from the weakness of the jet to the weakness of the LRC over this stretch...I believe June alone will need to carry the forecast to verify.

We shall see...  ;-)  If it for some reason does not verify...we will have some good discussions both pro/con involving the two 45 day forecasts, and the more recent CPC generic forecasts and how the LRC is effective in long range forecasting.

This is a great opportunity to see the strengths and weaknesses.  I think this year by pushing the envelope on using the LRC, we have seen both.

Look forward to August for this discussion...[if time permits while tracking/identifying the next year's LRC in AUGUST.  LOL]
June 10, 2008 2:13 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Let me clarify something as I did not read my thoughts before posting...the persistent cold I refer to is more along the line of a shelf of cooler air that has been somewhat persistent since December.

I believe this "shelf" very near the surface is responsible for the devestating ice storms, severe weather, and flooding observed just to our S and E...more toward the Ozark regionish.

It was this cold shelf that allowed the WAA overunning for ice, it was this shelf that enhanced thermodynamic support along warm fronts for the severe setups and the heavy rains.

I believe it is retreating north now, and we are seeing the deep rain belt now just to our south in the metro...but it won't have much upper air left here very soon with both the jet and the pattern to work with....by the time the pattern comes back with it...the jet will be too far north, and we would be in mid/late July.

Not going to put my eggs in that basket to expect abundant rainfall in July...

Just a quick clarification...

;-)
June 10, 2008 2:20 PM
 

BoiseStateFootballFan said:

HHHmmmmm, Does anyone else see that convection bubbling up out in Kansas, just to the NW of Hutch? Could it stay together and make it here to KC Metro?
June 10, 2008 2:33 PM
 

tirzah2 said:

Hey Gary,

Question about the Bermuda high that is setting over the SE.  It seems I remember every time one of those set up, we are always in for a wet summer, i.e. '93 floods.  I can't recall if there was an anticyclone over the SW then or not but I do remember a cold front that sat right on top of us for a long time that year.  What I am wondering about is if the Berumda high does setup and stay put and an anticyclone settles in over the SW will we have a dry summer or a wet one?  Hot or cool?  Will we be in the squeeze zone here or the edge of the frying pan?

June 10, 2008 3:56 PM
 

RDub said:

Actually, scott, if you look at the "seasonal norms", KCI gets as much precip in July as it does in June. I could see a set up this summer where the SW ridge has a hard time building in over us and we end up on the outer edge of the ridge--the ring of fire--and keep getting precip through July and August.

----------------

This summer pattern will make an identity for itself within about two to three weeks. 

Gary

June 10, 2008 4:51 PM
 

tirzah2 said:

RD, Last year we were on the edge of the ring of fire and didn't get much rain at all.  Depends on where the eastern most part of the ridge is at.  Hope that nasty thing doesn't settle over our area for the summer.  I can do without heat waves thank you!!
June 10, 2008 5:16 PM
 

FIREEMS said:

tstorm warning for my county
June 10, 2008 7:02 PM
 

simplykristi said:

I am expecting beautiful weather for Saturday. :)  My oldest niece is getting married and I want the day to be perfect for her. :)  The happy couple is getting married at 7 PM outside at a place just off the Plaza.

Kristi
June 10, 2008 7:10 PM
 

pilotskcx said:

from Gary's forecast it looks like we might get some golf in this weekend! :)
June 10, 2008 7:25 PM
 

bewild79 said:

so is that line of rain look like it might grow as it heads this way
June 10, 2008 7:47 PM
 

angvic00 said:

Sure does look like that line of rain is coming...at least from the K-7, K-10 area...
June 10, 2008 7:57 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Rdub - " I could see a set up this summer where the SW ridge has a hard time building in over us and we end up on the outer edge of the ridge"

Can you provide more details as to the set up you anticipate?  Do you have evidence of this or is it more of a hunch?
June 10, 2008 8:07 PM
Anonymous comments are disabled

This Blog

Post Calendar

<June 2008>
SuMoTuWeThFrSa
25262728293031
1234567
891011121314
15161718192021
22232425262728
293012345

Syndication

Inergize Digital Media This site powered by Inergize Digital Media. The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect the views of this station.