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Gary, all I know is that I seem to tolerate the heat better when it doesn't feel so sticky outside.  It can be 100˚, but if it's relatively dry with some air movement, I can stay outside longer than if it's 90˚ but really still and humid.  I definitely think the dew point makes a difference!  Dea

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Dea,

Thanks for the participation today.  I agree that it is a lot easier to handle the heat when it is less humid, but that's not my point.  It is extremely humid, but it still feels like 100, not 115.  It's just 100 with high humidity.

Gary

Dew point clearly makes a difference in how the air feels, with higher dew points (70+) leading to a feeling that the temperature is higher than the actual air temperature.  

At the same time, having an argument over a term as subjective as "feels like" seems a bit silly.

All I know is that with the dew points this much higher lately, I have to get up earlier and earlier to get in my morning run.  It is possible to run 8 miles at 8 or 9am when the temp/dew point are 70/50, but not when it it is 70/70.  Getting up at 4:30am for a run isn't fun, but it gets the job done.

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You will be able to get up later as the week moves on Notes!

Gary

i do agree with you mid 90s plus all the steam i work nights last night was terrible there was so much moisture out the cars were all wet and when you run your ac your windows fog up you had to run the wipers gary have a great day.

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Thanks,  you have a great day too!

Gary

I think if its very humid with no wind, then you'll have a problem, there is so much moisture in thee air it becomes very hard to BREATH! Friday morning my windows looked like my shower does when it's in use! Too much, it always feels hotter before 11:00

I'm with Dea!  When it's hot and sticky I'm just miserable.  My skin feels damp and tacky and it's pretty hard to breathe to me, that determines how I feel more so than the temperature.  There have been times when I go outside at lunch time when I'm at work and the heat just hits me.  Then when I get in my car, I'm surprised to see that the temperature is actually LOWER than what I thought!  Just can't do as much in this heat - don't want to do as much.  We hosed the Japanese beetles off our porch yesterday (our dog stopped eating them!) and, this morning, the indoor/outdoor carpet was still damp, if that says anything!  None of the dogs want to go outside - they'll go out and do their business, but they won't play and won't "explore" and they come back in and just collapse.  My husband works outside and he's pretty heat tolerant - 90s are nothing to him normally.  But the past few days, he's just wiped when he gets home.  Thankfully, he hasn't stayed out the point of throwing up which occasionally he has done.  BUt he falls asleep after his shower, no matter how early it is!  He eats lots of watermelon and other cold fruit and takes potassium (he fell down the stairs a few years ago and has some leftover problems - the most major of which is that his sense of taste isn't good, and can't smell anythnig at all - which comes in handy sometimes) - but to him, Gatorade tastes like really nasty cough syrup so we had to find alternatives for his electrolytes.  The doctor suggested potassium, and that and the fruit do the trick.

Anyway -- seems like a strange thing to debate, but feel free to put me down that it sure as heck does feel 112 to me!  :)

Laura

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Laura,

Thanks for your help today. I still say it doesn't "feel like" 112. It just feels extremely humid.  If it were 112 outside, I think you would think, "oh my goodness, this is much hotter than that 95 degree day we had Saturday".  But, we can't get them side by side.  Let's see what everyone else says.

Gary

Oh, and I forgot to ask, is that transpiration that caused all the major fog Thursday and Friday?  Seems to make sense if it does.

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It was a factor, but other things were more important into the fog formation. The light winds, clear sky, and all of the moisture in the ground.  Also we were in the middle of a surface high pressure area.   The ingredients were there for a late July dense fog event. Very rare.

Gary

Notes, it's not an "argument" - he called it a debate!  But since he's the official weatherman, we're gonna all lose!  :)

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Your so funny!  No one is going to lose.  I just want to hear what everyone has to say.

Gary

I gotta go with Notes on this one...here is why...

Notes brings up a scenario that I just experienced.  Notes runs in the morning..he is exercising.  I just got done mowing the grass...

There is a huge difference in sitting on a deck sipping a beverage or standing in the shade and thinking how it feels compared to physical activity, sweating and what one might think about the heat...

I pull a quote from Jeremy's brilliant entry earlier..."As the relative humidity of the air surrounding the plant rises the transpiration rate falls. It is easier for water to evaporate into dryer air than into more saturated air."

While I am not a plant, and I am not transpiring[well kinda], I am sweating...and some of the same principles apply.  If the RH surrounding me is too high, the sweat cannot evaporate as easily, thus I cannot cool down as quickly.

That said, it may not feel like the blast oven of Las Vegas from direct heat alone, it is just as hot as it relates to the human ability to cool down.

Gary - do one of your big workouts outside today..and tell me what it "feels" like.  LOL

Like other "indicators" that are used to convey atmospheric conditions as it relates to our human surroundings, there are somewhat subjective.  Same goes for wind chill.  It just depends on the person...

Here is a snippet from Wiki that best describes this...

"The heat index is derived from work carried out by R. G. Steadman.[1][2] Like the wind chill index, the heat index contains assumptions about the human body mass and height, clothing, and the wind speed. Significant deviations from these will result in heat index values which do not accurately reflect the perceived temperature.[3]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_index

For some of us that are not as fit as Notes in his running or Gary in his workouts, it generally feels like Hades and stepping outside makes me feel like I am melting.

Perhaps better communicated,  as soon as I walk out of the house in this humidity, it feels like a giraffe just licked me in the face...

So, Gary..if it isn't too bad for you...maybe you can do some weeding for me later today?

LMAO

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Scott,

If a giraffe just kicked me in the face, then I don't know if I would remember anything for a while.  :)  This is making me think about my entry today, but I am still convinced 112 in Vegas "feels" hotter than 95 and extremely humid in Kansas City with the heat index of 112.  But, our 95 may be just as uncomfortable, or more so.  What would be a better way to communicate this is all I am asking. 

Gary

I don't buy that it felt COOLER in Las Vegas than in Kansas City, although it almost certainly felt more comfortable. I have never seen a dewpoint anywhere touch 83 degrees, but that's what it did yesterday in the area. The dewpoint is chilly compared to yesterday, and we're still looking at upper 60s to lower 70s. It's already 93 degrees at my house as well.
I'm a little suspicious of the whole arbitrary "feels like" index. It felt like upper 90s and ridiculous humidity yesterday. It didn't feel like 120 degrees, because that's just blistering heat.

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Yeah, someone who agrees with me!  You are the first.  Thanks.  If it was 112 degrees as the actual air temperature yesterday, I can guarantee everyone would think it "felt" hotter than yesterdays 95. But this is not what we are communicating to the public.

Gary

Um...Hummer...Gary mentions above in the blog to debate this today.  In technical terms, presenting an opinion or thought for or against is by definition an argument.

Also...Notes, too, is a meteorologist.

;-)

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Scott,

There are many similarities between argue and debate.  They both require a different point of view.  They both involve person(s) explaining their understanding and other person(s) expressing an opposing view.  The only real difference is that to debate SHOULD remove the anger.  To debate is to discuss, consider, and deliberate.  To argue would be to bicker, dispute and get mad at each other.  Most debates could and often do include many of the characteristics of an argument but debate should be about providing a persuasive argument to explain your cause.

So, now we may start debating on whether this is a debate or an argument.  LOL  I just think there has been no anger, at least up to this point. So, this must be a debate.

Gary

Interesting point, but I guess you also have to consider what it is like over a period of time, like if you had to be outside doing something for a long period of time, even in the shade the heat with the higher humidity will take much more of a toll than that same heat with really low humidity, maybe it should be called the "Evaporative cooling index" or for the public the "sweat index"  So even though 95 with a dew point near 80 does not "feel" the same as an actual 113 degree temp, it may produce the same or similar "stress" to the body that a 113 degree temp would create if exposed for a long period of time to to the lack of effectiveness of sweating.  Well the "ECI" will be very high today!!

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Nick,

I agree with what you are saying.  So, this is why I brought this up today.  It doesn't "feel like" 105 right now.  It "feels like" 93, but it is very uncomfortable.

Gary

Oh, and speaking of that subject, we have just been "upgraded" to an Excessive Heat Warning.

Im not sure what it feels like to me other then HOT!

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Yes, either way it is just hot!

Gary

i am glad you brought this up gary.  i feel like a jerk whenever i make comments like 'it isnt so bad' when so many people are complaing.  maybe its because i am used to more humid conditions than what we have been experiencing...and im not saying that it hasnt been hot...because it has.  i, however, do not believe for a second that it 'felt' like 113 yesterday.  

first of all, the overall quality of the humidity the past few days has seemed, shallow, for the lack of a better term.  i am no stranger to 80 degree dewpoints, however, i did a double take when my station said 78 degree dew point.   anytime i have experienced those kind of dew points in fla any concrete surface would emit haze and create a 'mirage' appearance.

second, when i went out yesterday, i could easily escape the extreme heat by simply seeking shade.  i remember the combination of the heat and humidity creating an oven like feeling anywhere at ground level, even in the shade.  

and lastly, and this may be the key due to fla's location, but whenever it would get this hot/humid combination going, it would eventually rain somewhere nearby.  the humidity takes longer to set in here...even yesterday the dewpoint dropped into the 60's for a while.  and it doesnt even get near the upper 70's until 1600 or later here. i guess this is where the shallow feeling comes from that i described earlier.  it really doesnt feel that bad here with the exception of a few hours-whereas many other places have a full day of these conditions.  

in the part of fla i grew up in, it would always be atleast 90+ degrees with a 72-73 degree dew point by 0900-1000... unless sensible weather wasnt dictating.  the difference here is further north latitude, and that the humidity in the air isnt copious like it would be in an area with a constant supply of moisture, imo.

yes, this is the most humid it has been here since i have lived here, and i loved the foggy windows in the morning-which does remind me of the old days...but its not that bad.  the worst summer has to offer in these parts is the straight heat.  the dry heat.  the first summer i was here was a 'normal' one climatologically speaking.  it was very hot, and dry.  our given location is better served by a drier heat than a humid one.  i would take what we have now over 100+ degrees and low summer dewpoints.  no doubt.  last august is proof of that.  it felt like a desert here last august...and it doesnt get hotter than a desert.  

i guess it is all relative.  much like many people compare here to minnesota or wisconsin and say its not cold here...much the same here in the summertime compared to 'real' humidity, i suppose.  this just goes to show(and prove my theory) that this exact area is literally one of the top places in the country to experience(and study)weather.  it doesnt get more diverse than here.  

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Private Murphy,

Thank you for participating.  We sometimes end up with the highest dewpoints in the nation during the summer, but it rarely lasts more than a couple of days.  In Florida it is there every day, maybe not 83 degree dewpoints like yesterday, but they never get a break during the summer like we do here.

Gary

Gary can you give a total of 90+ degree days and highest temp at this point?  Just curious!

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Today will be our 7th 90 degree day since the contest started, and so far the hottest has been 96, but today and Monday should exceed it.

Gary

just to clarify, i would take 90's and humid  over 100's and not as humid anyday.  

I go with Nick on this one...I like the ECI.  It seems more indicative to what it is the HI is suppose to reflect.  If one isn't exerting energy, it may not feel as bad as raw heat...

pvt...this proves it all is subjective...I would take Phoenix over Miami any day...Heck, I would even take Las Vegas over Atlanta...

LOL

Just to comment about the "Feels like temp."  I agree with kcwxguy.  I work outside and this humidity is overwhelming.  There is huge difference in chilling under a shade tree and working in the sun.  The air is so thick it has been hard to breath.  In my opinion it does feel more like a 110 then 95.  Stay out in it for more then 5 hours and then decide:)

scott, one year when i lived in atlanta...it may have been 2002-2003 somewhere around there, it hit 90 degrees just 3 times all summer.  it felt great that year!

Gary, I agree that it doesnt feel as hot as the parent heat index shows it to be. But,  I do think there is a difference between the actual temp. and the "real feel" temp.

For instance, when the remnance of Hurricane Dolly moved through, it was raining in KC, but around noon here in Marceline, the temperature was 85, and the dewpoint was 78. The heat index was showing 99 degrees.

I walked outside, and it didnt feel like 99, but it definitly felt like it was warmer than 85. (I would say somewhere in the upper 80's). But it certainly felt more humid than anything else.

Here is what I think:

In my opinion, people have their own unique interpretation to the temperature and humidity. You think it feel the same as the actual temp, but very humid. I think it feels a bit warmer than the actual temp, but very humid. Some people may think it feels the same as the heat index.

I think it is just the way our brains interpret the temperature and humidity together. And everyone has a different, but sometimes similar interpretation, such as you and I.

Just my thoughts on the subject

Alex from Marceline

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Alex,

This is why I think we shouldn't have a number for the heat index.  There has to be another way.

Gary

Greetings all,
I am in need of a little help. On July 31st my wife and I were driving about 10 miles west of Sterling/Rock Falls IL on US Hgwy 30. It was a bit  stormy, but there were no warnings to the best of our knowledge. Then not more than 100 yards to the north of the highway I spotted a tornado. It was over farmland so it was dirty brown in color. I am trying to track down a website that may provide any recent radar loops and confirm what we saw. Thanks, kevin in OP

Yesterday and today "felt" more like Florida! I have always felt that the moment I stepped off the plane in Miami in July, that it felt as if someone had replaced all the air molecules with water molecules! Coming from Colorado, I am effected by the humidity more than the air temperature. There were many days in Denver when the temp reached 100, but all you had to do was step into the shade and it was tolerable. Yesterday, the heat was impossible to escape. That is the humidity factor. So, yes, yesterday it "felt" hotter than the actual air temperature to me. With low humidity one can seek refuse from the heat in the form of shade. In these oppressive dew point temps, there is no escape short of air conditioning.

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Maybe I should just say it feels like south Florida!

Gary

Okay. I'll weigh in with my very UN expert opinion.  I remember several years ago when my neice from Arizona came to visit us in New York.  When she left Phoenix, it was 102.  When she got to New York, it was 88, with the usual high summer humidity.  While walking to the car, she asked how hot it was, because she always thought that Arizona was hotter than NY but it sure felt hotter to her at that moment!  She complained about the heat all week, even though it never got higher than 90!
And last summer, I went to visit my brother in Colorado.  We left here and it was in the upper 80's and very humid.  We arrived in Colorado and it was in the lower 90's with almost no humidity.  I found it more comfortable.  It didn't "feel" as hot to me.  
So, simply based on personal experiences, I feel that "feels like" is a valid term to use.   It's kind of  like the ceiling fan effect.  It doesn't change the temperature, but it sure makes it feel more comfortable. Perhaps 108, with no humidity feels hotter than 97 with high humidity but I bet if you were in Vegas, 97 would feel a lot cooler than it does here when the dew points are up!

Mary

Mary

Stormdog says:  The heat index is a measurement of how the body reacts to heat - with humidity thrown in, one can't use ones sweat to cool down, as the body normally tries to.  Instead, the sweat keeps on, since the humidity is killing the evaporative cooling the body is trying, and the body keeps sweating to try to alleviate that.  Hence, dehydration, sun-stroke etc... is much more of a probablility than with a drier heat at 100 F.  Once you go onver 110F, with any dewpoint, the same danger exists.  However, I have personally suffered from hot muggy conditions since I was a kid - my physiology or my mind are all %$**** up, so to speak.  I literally get sick in this weather, sinus draining, upper gi, lower gi cramping and so on.  I will stick with the NWS on this one - don't think we have any other way to make people aware of extremely dangerous conditions.  I appreciate the job they do, and I love their relatively new graphics displays on significant weather - nice touch.

Gary, you may have someone mow your lawn, but doing mine, even at 90F with a dewpoint of 70 or higher is excruciating.  Folks on limited incomes may have extra reason to pay attention.  And those poor, who don't have air conditioning or even fans and at the most risk.  I am lucky by comparison to those.

Just my thoughts,
Stormdog

When I go outside I don't say its so hot our here.  For example when I went out to take the dogs out around 7pm I said " it is so humid".  It was unbearable for me.  I could not catch my breathe and I only have very mild asthma.  It wasn't the heat that was bothering me.  My windows on the front of the house were so wet I could barely see out of them.  Granted, I don't know what 112 feels like anywhere else than here so I am not a good judge of comparing it to other places but the humidity was bad yesterday.  Haven't been out today

Las Vegas  T=108  D=30   Heat Index=100
Kansas City  T=95  D=79   Heat Index=113

A couple of years ago I went to a three-day golf school in Las Vegas (in August it's half-price). Daily highs were 110 with full sun. We played golf from 7am until dark each day. It was hot but not unbearable.

Yesterday, I played 18 at Hodge Park. The front nine (before noon) was OK because of a breeze and scattered cloud cover. On the back nine it was unbearable and I couldn't wait to be done and in my air-conditioned car.

If we don't call it a heat index maybe it should be called a discomfort index or a sweat index. There definitely is something worse about KC vs. Las Vegas in your posited scenario and I think it's worth having some way to communicate that to the public.

I hate when that "feels Like" term was put into place call it what it is. It's the heat index. I don't know what 112 temperature feels like I've never experienced it. Either way you slice it. we are never going to have a temp of a 112 with a dewpoint around 80 degrees. I would personally take the 112 without the humidity.

manhattan is checking in at 104 right now...95 at kci.  

Having lived in the desert and having spent alot of time in Vegas also, let me say that I can tolerate up to 105 there when the humidity is very low (as oppoped to those temps during monsoon season when the humidity goes up and it feels like death). I would tolerate it there and be able to breath much better than yesterday when it "felt like" 95 with humidity. Give me the 105-108 dry heat any time over yesterday and it will "feel" hot regardless but I will "feel" alot happier.

no matter what it's too darn hot out there I'm not cutting the grass today too hot :)

Also, another note I think the royals are on fire to like the temperature.

Hey Gary,
Is it going to cool off later this week in southern Missouri also...we are leaving for vacation Thursday morning and it would be good to know.   Thanks!!

I will have to back the heat index or "how it feels" temp as somewhat accurate.   I took a trip 2 years ago to Austin TX.   We left here and as we went through OKC, the air temp was 92, but it felt unreal.   It was difficult to even breath.     When we got to Austin, the air temp was over 100 every day, but the humidity was around 20.
I felt comfortable being outside in the shade or the sun and was somewhat active at times.    I would rather be laying by a hotel pool in Vegas than mowing my lawn today  :P

There is no question that it is much different if you are sitting in the shade vs working in the sun.    I was watering my plants in the evening and the heat didnt bother me.... unlike the mosqitoes.    On the other hand, I went for a short jog at 11pm with my dog and was soaked and worn out afterwards... and that was with no sun but a higher humidity.

Just my 2 cents
Either way, I try and avoid being outside when the sun is its strongest during the day and drink plenty of water.    

It could be worse

Nice n' hot, I never go to my pool tough, there is always a bunch of people laying on every lawnchair with GLASS bear bootles, sometimes they bring multiple PACK of em', somebody's gonna get hurt.

It's 98ºF here in south KC.... I've literally melted.  I'm seriously just a puddle with fingers, as I type this.


-Nicole

Sorry Notes - didn't know you were official!  :)

We spent last spring in Mesa Arizona.  It was well over 100 the entire time we were there.  I can tell you that it was much better there than it feels here.  This is disgusting.  Two of my kids have asthma and they can't hardly leave the house.  Out there they did just fine.  Like others have said, it is just plain hot either way.  I think it feels very hot with extreme humidity.  I do not think it feels like 115 out there.  Hope everyone stays cool and lets bring on fall!!!!!

Did anyone else feel a small tremor today around 1 this afternoon? Here in drexel I was just sitting here at the table on the laptop, when all of the sudden, the whole table shook for 2 or 3 seconds. Everything shook on the table. It was very weird!

As far as heat here and in las vegas, I believe it feels alot hotter than las vegas. I have been to las vegas three times this year,  in july I went and it was 110 every day. Then when we got off the plane at kci, it was like 85, and it felt alot hotter!!

I agree with the earlier comment that maybe the heat index should be renamed a "discomfort index". 97 with high humidity is way more untolerable than 110 with low humidity. If you visit a place with low humidity (such as California) and then return here, the minute you step off the plane the humidity hits you like a wall.

Love It

It's summer time.

Cheer up!

momof3,

I know exactly what you mean.  I have an asthmatic friend who just recently moved up to Maryland, and he can breathe a lot better up there, than he ever could over here.

Maybe Missouri should just be renamed 'The Show Me Some Smog State'.

A dogg - it must not have been an earthquake, here is the link to the usg earthquake page and it doesn't show any shaking in missouri today.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/

here's the difference between here and las vegas. Here- the shade does not provide relief. in Las Vegas- The shade provides relief. That's why I would take the higher temperatures without the humidity. I don't care if it's 85 degrees, but if the dew point is 78. holy heck I'm still dying and I can't breathe and my sweat doesn't cool me down and I feel weak like a baby elephant, Give me 108-112 with a dewpoint in the 30s any day of the week.

I do feel sorry for all those with asthma or other breathing disorders.   This thick air has to make every breath a struggle.     My poor dog (sheltie) just hates this weather.   He is the most active dog, but will not go out much in the day and just sits and looks out the sliding glass door.   In the winter, he will sleep in the snow for hours.   That fur coat has to be sooooo hot!!

This heat can be very dangerous and those with high blood pressure need to be extra careful and stay as cool as possible.  

 Kevisthier , perhaps what you saw wasn't a tornado but instead a "dust devil." I know they are very common in the southwest but I would think they could happen anywhere where there is dirt and wind.

The "feels like" temperature doesn't work for me, either.  I've been in Palm Springs in the summer and believe me, this does NOT feel the same.  For one thing the very low humidity speeds up the sweat evaporation which in turn increases the cooling effect.  When it's like this  here I just look at the forecast high and dew point and say "oh, crap".  Maybe we should re-name it the "oh crap index".  Most people could understand that! :)

I spent all of my life up to Aug 2005 in Southern California. The area I was from was the Antelope Valley area where it was generally 100 degrees every day plus or minus a couple of degrees. Sometimes it even went as high as 113. When you walked outside it was like walking into an oven. It took your breath away. Your skin started to kind of tingle as the pores opened because of the heat. Here I have experianced the same thing, except it is hard to breath and the air feel heavy. Southern California got hot every Summer but it was a "dry heat" versus a humid heat. Not being able to hardly draw a breath because of the humidity sucks! I was able to do stuff outside in California, I sweated, but it was no biggie. Here in MO the humidity just sucks the energy out of you. Sitting outside is o.k. doing anything else just drains everything out of you.
Audra

Humidity plays a big role in performance of horses and I would guess humans too. Dry heat allows the sweat to evaporate while high humidity causes the horse to sweat more and not able to cool itself effectively. So I would rather take a 100 degree day with lower dewpoints. And you can sit outside in the evening and not feel oppressed with lower dewpoints.

We have had temps of 112 degees here in the past with with low humidity and it felt much worse than today. With regards to today I feel real hot at first going outside but I get use to it. I dont believe like it felt 113 degrees.

well looks like there is a new tropical storm, edouard, out there. target seems to be houston within the next couple of days.

When it's hotter (with lower d.p.) it feels like an oven.  With a lower temp. (and higher d.p.) it makes it hard to breathe.  I'll take the heat with a lower d.p. any day.  At least I can breathe the oven air without feeling sick.

i think it is fair to say it feels like im going to die outside. and on tuesday i have to be outside from 7 to 7 for exit polling.

I agree that "feels like" has some problems.  I sometimes work outside with the high temps and high dewpoints and I agree with HailJonathan about the dying and can't breathe feeling.  Maybe a discomfort level is needed, but that might be more of an air quality issue.  The "feels like high heat" doesn't necessarily hold true unless you are working in my opinion.  Until something better shows up I think the least the heat index does is warn people that the air has an extra oompf that can get you if you aren't careful.  Discomfort index might not carry much weight because the high heat and humidity can be dangerous.  Maybe a danger index? or defcon? or terror status for weather?  LOL

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Interesting ideas! 

Gary

I will add this.  Long ago when in Phoenix I did some light work outside and at 100 degrees I laughed because I had my first dribble of sweat.  I soaked 2 tank tops front and back on Thursday doing moderate work here in KC and what was the high, low 90's?

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So, the "Sweat index" was high!

Gary

What caused the drop off in the upper 80's this evening? Still very humid, but I did noticed that by sun down the brutal heat had let up a tad.. Was it just me?

I too have noticed that when the sun goes down it gets cooler.  Has anyone looked into this?

Ronnie,
All the heat has to rush away to the other side of the globe to make sure it is hot there too.

I am going to make a guess, and say that North Central Missouri is going to see more heavy rain with this next cold front.

I hope it doesnt get above 98 tomorrow, that means bye bye contest.

Alex

I am reminded of a quote attributed to Sophia Loren on her 60th birthday, supposedly when someone told her she didn't look 60.  She is supposed to have replied, "Dahling, this is what 60 feels like!"

I'm not sure how to take the heat index, because I have so few opportunities to know what 110 degrees "feels like" with lower humidity.  Basically, I know that I will feel more heat-oppressed by a higher heat index than a lower one.

Saturday night was the first time that I can remember, in summertime, that walking from an air-conditioned store into the thick, sultry night air caused my glasses to fog over.

Say, Gary --

Back when it was cold, you asked how many of us, if we had to have one or the other, would choose zero degrees F. or 100 degrees F.

How about re-running the question, now that it's hot?

My answer would not change.  I'd take this 100-degree weather any time over zero-degree temperatures.

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We have done it twice, so we will take this year off on the question.  But, I still vote for 0.  You can't have snow at 100.

Gary

Bring on fall and winter. It is not good weather when I just stand in this heat and humidity and sweat starts to roll down my chest. 0° for me!

ok just an fyi my parents go to vegas all the time.  They were even debating whether to move there.  They have been there during every month of the year so far and they would rather have Vegas heat than Missouri heat and moisture any day.  110 out there isnt the same as 110 here.    They can still breath in 110 heat in Vegas.  Here you cant. In Vegas you may be able to fry an egg in 110 heat but in Missouri you can boil it.   As soon as you walk out the door you lose your breath.  Where we live we have lots of people that walk their dog, run, walk with the kids, etc but not in the last few days.  No one is on the streets.  Even the neighborhood kids didnt knock on our door today to see if the kids could go out and play.  I think KC needs to change from heat index to Humidity index... Or how well can you breath once you get outside.  Just an option...

good breeze here this morning 79 degrees, not any condensation on car windows or dew on grass. altogether not bad dog walking weather in st jo

There is so much to do in Las Vegas and forgetting about the argument at hand while you are in las Vegas live it up.