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Natural Gas Panic on a Forecast!

Before we get to the natural gas story,  the cold front is now moving through the city with north winds 10-20 mph.  It is deceiving as the temperatures are dropping into the 80s, but the humidity is rising with dewpoints in the mid to upper 70s!  The front will stall to our south with the high humidity in place over our area.  This sets us up for a potential heavy rain event tonight and/or Wednesday night.  Right now it looks like Wednesday night has the best chance for the heavy rain.  Watch tonight at 5, 6 & 10 on NBC Action News and Gary will have more details on this end to the heat wave.

Now to the crazy energy markets.

Energy prices have been on a down trend the last few weeks, along with natural gas.  Two weather phenomena can make natural gas rise during the summer.  1.  An extended period of heat for the Midwest and New England.  2.  A hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico, especially anywhere from Galveston, TX to Lake Charles, LA.

There has been almost no big heat in the big energy usage areas this summer, and little is in the forecast.  Dolly, which became a category 2 hurricane, made landfall in Brownsville, TX 2 weeks ago.  She was south of the main oil wells and had little effect.  Eduoard made landfall Tuesday morning near Houston.  This is a prime area, but he was just a tropical storm, so early Tuesday morning prices were still dropping.

However, a prominent hurrcane forecaster, Dr. William Gray, came out with an updated forecast for the hurricane season, saying the potential is there for 17 named storms, up from 15.  This forecast caused panic in the natural gas market and even pulled crude up off its lows of the day.

The natural gas market has a "herd" mentality.  Traders hear more storms, so they think the wells will be affected.  This is just nuts!  Even if there are more storms, it does not mean they will affect gas wells, or even be anything more than tropical storms.

If there are no storms the next 1-3 weeks that affect the northern Gulf of Mexico, you will likely see the prices drift back down.  This, of course, assumes nothing else crazy happens.

Published Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:20 PM by jpenner

Comments

 

jstonemo said:

Jeff, I agree. Traders live on a different planet. As for Dr. Gray, he has been proven wrong sooo many times on huricane forecasts, that he should be ignored whenever he opens his mouth.
August 5, 2008 4:34 PM
 

RDub said:

Moving your money based on Gray's forecast is absurd. It would be like hearing Jack Harry's prediction for the Super Bowl in August, and going to Vegas and betting money on it.
August 5, 2008 4:38 PM
 

radman22 said:

Thanks for that update Jeff.    It really is amazing what predicted future storms can do to the energy futures.  I remember 2 years ago they predicted a very cold winter for the NE US and heating oil skyrocketed.    It never panned out.    I see how you are a valuable asset when clients depend on accurate forecast and not bold predictions.    The LRC gives you a nice advantage :)

August 5, 2008 4:41 PM
 

Trentonite said:

RDub,

Jack Harry did predict that the Jayhawks would go 11-1 last year...
August 5, 2008 4:44 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

radman22...you are right, the LRC is a HUGE advantage long range...be it energy markets or station contests...

LOL

[awaits Notes, et. for retort...]
August 5, 2008 4:47 PM
 

RDub said:

And when you heard that prediction, did you rush out and put money on it?

I didn't think so...:-)
August 5, 2008 4:50 PM
 

johnmarr said:

gary didnt powercast have alot of rain  going across northwest of the metro about this time last night and then it showed it about 2 or 3 in the morning what happend do you think we will get rain tonight
August 5, 2008 5:26 PM
 

Luthur said:

That Dr. Gray guy should keep his piehole closed.  He is constantly wrong and his predictions also affect many other things other than natural gas.  
August 5, 2008 5:31 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Yea it seems ever since Katrina they seem to overdo it on the hurricane predictions.  I dont believe any of it.  I do not take hurricanes lightly anymore but they obviously cant predict how many there will be.  I think they like to see people panic....
August 5, 2008 5:45 PM
 

Stormdog said:

Stormdog - Another reason for the speculative and other markets to be regulated.
Many others in a certain party ( I am a Liberal Independant as I deplore the "Donkey Party") love deregulation - that sort of mentality brought us the current mortgage crisis.  Capitalists need tempering, although better than Communism.

But...I doubt much will change, one way or the other.

Beastly humid, even with lesser temps - August - YUK.

Stormdog
August 5, 2008 6:06 PM
 

radman22 said:

Yes Scott, you seem to be right in the perfect range to win the contest.    I dont think I would put $$$ into energy options as the fluctuation is crazy.   I would certainly never short any energy commodity... way too conservative!  

I will be looking really forward to this break in the heat.   It was very fortunate that the NW flow keeps showing its head as it kept a major heat wave at bay.    You seemed to believe that it would come back like it has all year long... nice call Scott
August 5, 2008 6:32 PM
 

DaveC said:

I do agree with Stormdog, the market's do need to be regulated. I am by nature a very conservative person who mostly votes republican, but even our natures fore-father Thomas Jefferson knew that a corporations left uncontrolled will stomp on the rights of the individuals.  Personally, I find this whole oil crisis which I consider more blame on greedy Americans, a slap in the face of every hard working Person. One could argue this is all supply and demand, but that very excuse shows more ignorance and lack of understanding of how supply and demand actually does work. Sorry to go off on this, I blame jpenner! :)-~
August 5, 2008 7:03 PM
 

BigJG said:

Dr. Gray is old and needs to retire.  I thought he was retired or was mentioning it.  Maybe he's in the oil business.  What a piece of monkey trash.
August 5, 2008 7:58 PM
 

MCIRamp said:

Maybe he's in the oil business.

I agree BigJG.  As someone versed in the discipline, and after last year's forecast for many named storms that never panned out, I just do not agree nor believe anything that comes out of the TPC in advance, let alone Dr Gray.    
August 5, 2008 8:11 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Yep, the stock market is crazier than the weather sometimes, actually if one thing would give me "some" concern is not the number of storms, but where the ones that have formed have tracked recently, if you believe the thought of tropical cyclones following similar tracks that set up each year the two storms in the Gulf so far might be a bit concerning but it is NO excuse for the sudden rising of N. Gas.  
August 5, 2008 9:31 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

That cold front is getting close to Kansas City.  However, there has yet to be a line of storms that has developed.

Central and middle-east Missouri has a romp-a-roo of storms going through it right now.  Could we possibly see a line like that tonight over the metro area?

What do our dewpoints look like right now?

August 5, 2008 9:37 PM
 

marlina10 said:

If my memory serves me correctly, last year they predicted a lot of major storms,too, but there were only a couple that hit the U.S. I think it's ridiculous to think you can predict the number of hurricanes ahead of time. You might as well try to predict how much snow will fall next winter.
August 5, 2008 9:43 PM
 

mag63 said:

just a thought since nbc will be airing the olympic games will you guys be showing what kind of weather our americans will be dealing with in china
August 5, 2008 9:55 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Wow....a thunderstorm, one that sent all 3 of my kids to my room crying. I heard what I though were the dogs next door playing around. Then it got louder and boom there it was...raining. LOLOL, must be the cold front??
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
August 6, 2008 12:11 AM
 

jacob said:

Gas went from $3.63 in Lee's Summit to $3.80 in a matter of 5-7 hours today!  They do nothing but rip all of us off!
August 6, 2008 12:14 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Good grief..stop the madness. Are these storms gonna move away or continue to sit on top of me?? It is raining pretty good and the thunder is really loud. Lightening is crackling it is so intense. Of course I can not sleep...my oldest keeps coming out of her room. Ughh!!
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
August 6, 2008 12:39 AM
 

farmgirl said:

Helloooo - Got lots of thunder and lightening in La Cygne. Guess our 20% chance has gone to 100%?

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The 20% was around the metro as Gary mentioned and then had rain chances higher to the south.

Jeremy

August 6, 2008 12:48 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Hey farm girl!!! This is a strong storm don't ya think. The wind has been really strong here in P-town and man o man the lightening is something else. Dang it better not hail on my vehicles or newly installed (as of tonight) back porch cover or I am gonna be ticked!!!!
Monica
Pleasanton, KS

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If you have rain totals please send them along.

Jeremy

August 6, 2008 12:59 AM
 

bulldog said:

Beautifull pink streaming sky this morning!  And 71 at 6am vs yesterdays 86 at 6am does create quite the difference.  Have we officially hit 100 yet?  I am going to put my 2 cents in on the natural gas - - it doesn't matter much right now, just as long as Gary is right and things turn out well enough that when I have to add propane to the tank in a few months it doesn't break the bank.  I am not so concerned about the weather now as I am when we seem to flood after dry summers and those inevetable crazy rains that come at the end of Sept - first of Oct.  I pray we don't get deluged then too. Our farmers have been through enough.  I'll try to get rain totals for Sibley tomorrow!
Take care all
Audrey
August 6, 2008 6:31 AM
 

juba said:

In lawrence at the Zarco station, The price for gas it 3.67 last I was there!
August 6, 2008 7:47 AM
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