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Remnants of Gustav....updated

Good morning bloggers,

We are due for a wet September.  More on this below!

The remnants of Hurricane Gustav are now spinning near the Texas/Arkansas/Louisiana line.  The hurricane weakened to a tropical storm, then it weakened to a tropical depression, and now it is just a tropical disturbance and drifting north northwest.  Look below at the 6 AM surface map, and the satellite picture taken at 10 AM this morning:

Gustav is now showing up on our surface map.  And, there is a cold front moving our way.  A lot is going in as fall approaches.  We may gut thrust into a fall atmosphere on Wednesday with the combination of the tropical system absorbing the cold front into the circulation and spinning some of the cooler air into the rain.  Thunderstorms are possible near the front as it moves slowly through later today and tonight. A band of very heavy rain may form and begin to look like a band around Gustav as it bends into the remnants tonight.  But, picking out the spot where this band will be located is going to have to wait until sometime this evening as we watch it form.  Then, the main circulation of Gustav will work its way slowly across Missouri. As you can see below, Kansas City is right on the edge of this major rain event:

Rainfall amounts of 5 to 10 inches are likely from Arkansas into southern Missouri.  There is slight western trend of the rainfall shield forecast by the last few GFS runs.  But, as we have seen with snowstorms, a slight westward trend and we will get a lot of rain.  A slight eastward shift and we could be left dry in many spots while the rest of Missouri gets the deluge of rain.  We will be tracking the trend and these developments today and tonight on NBC Action News.

September should be one of the wettest months.  September rivals the wettest time of the year in May and June with Kansas City averaging 4.64" of rain during the month. But, Mother Nature has not been very kind the past five Septembers:

September rainfall (Average: 4.64")

  • 2003:  2.61"
  • 2004:  3.48"
  • 2005:  3.61"
  • 2006:  2.22"
  • 2007:  2.47"

We are due for a wet September and the entire average is likely going to fall somewhere just south and east of us within the next two days.  There are other chances showing up, including some stronger fall cold fronts in the next two weeks. 

Before we get colder, it is time to announce the winner of our summer contest.  We had only eleven 90 degree days between July 16th and August 31st.  Two bloggers correctly predicted eleven with the tie breaker going to Gary B.  Gary predicted the hottest temperature to be 99, and Jenn6428 predicted 101.  So, Congratulations to Gary B who wins the passes to Snow Creek, our local ski area.  And, thank you to everyone who participated this year.

Gary

Published Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:25 AM by glezak

Comments

 

weatherfreak01 said:

Wow, talk about Labor Day being the "end of Summer".. It seems like it really was this year. I hope all you who had parties this past weekend had a wonderful time. It was great weather for being outdoors.
Audra

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Audra,

It was a fantastic weekend!  But, changes are on the way.

Gary

September 2, 2008 7:18 AM
 

chfs327 said:

Can't wait for cold weather and snow.
September 2, 2008 7:21 AM
 

stormlover said:

we were part of the city that got rain last night...just as we sat down to eat outside...lol...we just got enough to get the deck wet & that was it.  Hopefully, we'll get more tonight.
September 2, 2008 7:22 AM
 

lezakEF5 said:

I hope it rains a lot here!!

Alex

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Alex,

The farther east the better the chance of heavy rain with Gustav.  But, today it is more the front than the tropical system.

Gary

September 2, 2008 7:38 AM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

What do you mean when you say we are "due" for a wet September?

I hope you're not implying that since the last few Septembers have been drier than average, that the upcoming one has a higher likelihood of being wetter than average!

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Notes,

I am uncertain as to where you are going.  We have had five Septembers in a row with well below average rainfall.  So, doesn't it make sense that we are due? This doesn't mean I am saying that we will end up with above average rainfall this month.  Now, with this said, I do expect near to above average rainfall in September this year.  Of course,  it could all fall tomorrow, but even we fall short tomorrow there will be many other chances.

When knowing nothing about the weather pattern, this September has just as much chance as being above average as it does being below average.  So, I didn't mean that the chance is better just because it has been dry the past few years in September.

Gary

September 2, 2008 7:52 AM
 

Bob in OP said:

I doubt summer weather is over for us. Just a "taste" of fall headed our way. We certainly need rain. It is very dry over most of the metro.

Bob

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Bob,

It won't be an end to summer-like weather as there will be other days in the 80s ahead, but after today, I don't see too many chances for a 90 degree day.

Gary

September 2, 2008 7:55 AM
 

boootz said:

I have a slightly amusing tale this morning, yesterday my husband and I took the truck and  went out picking Elderberries, about 2 miles from our house. He was to say the least not thrilled with the prospect bu went to avoid the non-stop nagging. He kept looking at the clouds building North East of Leavenworth, proclaiminmg " a huge downpour" at any moment, confident in Gary's forecast, I said "nope not going to rain", repeatedly. He tried everything to convince me, leaves turned over, cows laying down, cooler air, wind picked up, I kept saying, "no rain", he finally said, "how are you so sure it isn't going to rain?" I clamly looked over my mother lode of Elderberries at him and said "Gary said so" and then he made one of his biggest mistakes..he said " Gary isn't always right"
He had a two mile walk home to ponder that mistake!!!
As an FYI, Leavenworth didn't see so much as a drop of rain yesterday and I picked about 150 lbs of Elderberries.
September 2, 2008 8:24 AM
 

Bob in OP said:

Bob,

It won't be an end to summer-like weather as there will be other days in the 80s ahead, but after today, I don't see too many chances for a 90 degree day.

Gary

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Gary,

Really? We have had many days in the 90's in September since I moved here in 2005. During this time, we have even seen 90's in October [2006]. Are you saying the long-term models are predicting a cooler than average September?

Thanks!

Bob
September 2, 2008 8:24 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

notes, i think he means that since the last 5 septembers were below average precip wise, then law of averages would suggest that we are 'due' for an equalizer...

bob, i hate to burst your bubble, but the long range models have been hinting at several opportunities for 'colder' weather over the next 15 days...theres no doubt that we could very well have a warmer stretch at some point, but, i firmly believe our 90 degree days are done(yay!)...its about time to pull out those hoodies and jeans...

i dont know how large of an explosion that volcano eruption in AK  created...but judging by the sunsets(and sunrises) i would say that we are lucky it didnt happen later in the year or otherwise we would be talking about much cooler than avg temps due to the S02 and ash.

so, what would you say the timing is on the arrival of the rain, gary? 12-1400 sounds about right for the NW side, wouldnt you say?

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Pvt Murphy,

It is a tough call on today's rain.  The lift seems to be along and behind the front.  So, as it interacts with the circulation from Gustav several problems will develop. The moisture convergence will weaken, but at some level there will be some lifting.  No matter what the models say, there is usually an outer band near a front around these tropical systems.  That outer band may set up over Leavenworth, or it may set up over Lee's Summit?  We will just have to see how it sets up this evening.  It is something to watch develop and fascinating to see how it will bend with the flow around the remnants of Gustav.

Gary

September 2, 2008 8:25 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

SO2=sulfur dioxide, btw
September 2, 2008 8:33 AM
 

C in Raymore said:

Bob- the only thing I can say about KC for leaving here for over 25 years is never expect the unexpected. although we have had some hot days in the past in some years we have had a ice storm in October when the year before it was 90s.  I think we will have some warm days but I am also going with much cooler than average temperatures.

September 2, 2008 8:35 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

Gary I know it's early for the LRC for this year - do you announce that in October?  Everyone keeps saying "above average precipitation" and "below average temps" or "a cold winter" - it has me a little concerned - I know this is a dumb question to ask already, but what's your gut instinct on ice?  Do you think we would have a major ice storm?  Out here where we live, the house is like 250 years old (well, okay, that's a slight exaggeration)  - but none of our lines are buried and in fact a lot already sag around here.  I just wonder if we ought to start savign up now for a generator!  The ice storm a while ago when we lived in Independence we were without electricy for a solid week - and I don't want to go through taht again, expecially out here in the boonies!  I love winter, and I love snow, but the ice always worries me to pieces.  Thanks.  Laura
September 2, 2008 8:46 AM
 

N2mountains said:

There always sems to be a season breaker this time of year when the summer temps are eclipsed and the air takes a turn for cooler times ahead. I think we are experiencing this now, and yes, there will be the day here and there of 80's and a pretty warm day, but thank goodness the worst heat is behind us and the a/c can start to slow down. Now we hope for a decent break between the a/c and the heat so we can financialy recover a bit. All in all the LRC was on target, and Gary and the rest of the guys did an outstanding job, now lets get on with Fall and bring on the snowflake contest**************
September 2, 2008 8:49 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

That's a good idea!  How ABOUT a snow contest?  Like how many inches, and the warmest/coldest day for a tie breaker?  That'd be kind of fun!
September 2, 2008 9:13 AM
 

HummerSeeker said:

That's a good idea!  How ABOUT a snow contest?  Like how many inches, and the warmest/coldest day for a tie breaker?  That'd be kind of fun!

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We have snow forecasting contest every year.  It will begin in October.

Gary

September 2, 2008 9:13 AM
 

Brocksmama said:

boootz- your story brings back fond memories for me- growing up south of Wichita in the country, we would go pick wild Elderberries ( I absolutely love the scent of the flowers! )- my mom would make Elderberry wine and also jelly.  One time her jelly didn't "jell" and we ended up with some awesome elderberry syrup for our pancakes!!  Those were the good ol' days!  Dea
September 2, 2008 9:17 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

i urge everyone to take a look at this visible satellite loop image:

http://adds.aviationweather.gov/satellite/displaySat.php?region=ICT&isingle=mult_big&itype=vis

its a very beautiful shot with gustav to the south and the incoming cold front in central ks.  you can even see us in between with a stratoform deck building right over us...

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Murph,

I just posted one to the blog, a still picture anyway.  It is cool.

Gary

September 2, 2008 9:18 AM
 

timmyhawk said:

As I'm sure many of you did this weekend, I did a lot of yard work.  It's the perfect time to verticut and overseed.  I am holding off on seeding because of the potential for heavy rain with Gustav.  Anyone else in the same boat?
September 2, 2008 9:24 AM
 

Major Dryslot said:

I say that the cold front dropping south and the remains of Gustav moving north will cancel each other out, leaving us high and dry.
September 2, 2008 9:28 AM
 

Luthur said:

I welcome Gustav, cold fronts, whatever it takes to get rain.  Out here in beautiful SE Leavenworth County, we had .6 inches of rain all month.  We missed everything. Very dry.
September 2, 2008 9:50 AM
 

RDub said:

PVT the "law" of averages is sometimes equvialent to the gambler's fallacy...and this is one of those cases.

If you flip a coin 10 times, and it comes up heads all 10 times, what is the chance it will come up tails on the 11th flip?

50%.
September 2, 2008 9:50 AM
 

Nick Rau said:

Wow this is a very neat weather situation, of course I mean that in the sense of how our region is/will be affected by it and  not by the damage and hardship it has caused down south.
Well I know Gary is not a huge fan of the term "meteorological  " summer and fall, but it looks like this year the weather pattern may make it seem more fitting!
Hmm... this is kind of like that old Resees commercial, "You got cold front in my tropical cyclone, You got tropical cyclone in my cold front.;)

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Nick,

We know there will be a lot of rain in Missouri. The big question is will we be a part of it?

Gary

September 2, 2008 9:54 AM
 

Nick Rau said:

Oh, btw, CONGRATS TO GARY B.!!!!!!!
September 2, 2008 9:56 AM
 

weatherwunder said:

Good Morning, Gary - Brett,

Thanks for your blogs this morniing.  With errands to run this morning, it would be helpful to know about what time the rain is moving into the Leavenworth area.  Thank you!
Edna  

    Edna,  Hi, it looks like the chance of rain should be in the Leavenworth area as early as 4pm.  Brett 

September 2, 2008 10:10 AM
 

DPannell said:

Congratluations Gary B.!
September 2, 2008 10:14 AM
 

JPnKC said:

Man - some of you need to lighten up on Gary. The in your face challenges have been a little overboard lately- I am really tired of it. We are so lucky to have this forum!!!

Thats my rant... Im OK now

I am lookiong forward to some moisture- so glad that  Gustav did not pound NOLA.

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We can take it. And, it always will come to some strong critical conversation when we are on the edge of the storm.  I will make my call on the specifics of the rain tonight at 5, 6, and 10 PM. 

Gary

September 2, 2008 10:17 AM
 

weatherwunder said:

Gary B., count me in on the Congratulations for winning the summer contest!

JPnKC, I'm very much in agreement with your paragraph about the in-your-face challenges for Gary.  He is the "best"!!!!!  I think email to Gary would be a better route to go for such comments if they need to be said at all.  
Edna
September 2, 2008 10:29 AM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

I don't know if this means anything, but the bugs (cacadas?) that are normally the loudest at night especially when it is humid outside are really loud right now. I can easily hear them inside the house with all the doors and windows closed. I have not check the humidity levels yet, but based on the bugs talking, I am willing to guess the humidity has risen..
Audra
September 2, 2008 10:46 AM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

I just checked NOAA and the humidity level for Lee's Summit is at 72%.

pvt_murphy, the link you sent us is cool, thanks.

Audra in Lee's Summit
September 2, 2008 10:49 AM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

The humidity for Lee's Summit went down to 69% and the bugs outside are quiet. Very strange. There seems to be a link between humidity and the bugs.
Audra
September 2, 2008 11:10 AM
 

Jenn6428 said:

Congrats Gary B.  Wow I was so close.  I am ready for a new contest now.  So does anyone know when we should expect the rain and can we expect any severe weather here?
September 2, 2008 12:00 PM
 

C in Raymore said:

okay i am confused, i see gary saying he will update on rain at 5,6 and 10. Are we out of getting rain during the day today?

good job gary b. I was way off but happy I was. i liked your numbers much better cause I am a cold blooded girl!

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Thunderstorms are beginning to form. I will blog about the latest develpments soon.

Gary

September 2, 2008 12:06 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Question, is it normal for the humidity to go down as the cloud cover increases? I never really paid attention to the two at the same time, but that is what we are experiancing today here in Lee's Summit. The humidity is down to 63% (at one point it was at 72%, the drop has occured in about an hour and an half) and we have gone from sunny blue skies with hardly any clouds to a sky that is about 98% covered in clouds. Does the lowering humidity mean we are less likely to get rain than other places?
Audra
September 2, 2008 12:17 PM
 

Brocksmama said:

I will add my congrats to Gary B. as well.  Just came in from walking the dog a little bit ago- man did it feel sticky out there!  We'd better get some rain out of this!  I am really looking forward to cooler temps. tomorrow- bring on the 60's!!  Dea
September 2, 2008 12:22 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Pleasant Hill Radar is down according to NOAA. There are other radars that cover our area. Here is the link about the radar.
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=eax&storyid=17809&source=0
September 2, 2008 12:49 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Wow, the radar is now showing a bizarre tale, the post frontal rain is now pretty much stationary out in KS., and now small storms are forming and trying to move north west in a southwest to northeast arch through the K.C. area AGAINST the south east motion of the front, too bad I have to be at work soon because it will be interesting to see how this collision will evolve over us.
September 2, 2008 12:54 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Do you see all those storms that just came out of nowhere on the radar to our west? The are moving north-northwest it looks like....very weird!
September 2, 2008 1:15 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Oh one more thing...Nick, yeah im watching that too.  Do you think it has something to do with Gustav pushing its way that direction from the south?
September 2, 2008 1:16 PM
 

MCSev said:

Hey, it's raining cats and dogs in Leavenworth,  1:20 pm.
September 2, 2008 1:27 PM
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