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Active weather pattern...November 3, 2008

Good morning bloggers,

The weather pattern is about to become much more energetic.  Energy is now coming across the western states and this will eventually evolve and develop into a storm system in the plains on Wednesday night.  Ahead of this storm we are experiencing a nice warm up.  It is not unusual to warm up in November.  Last year it was 70 degrees or higher three different days, including 76 degrees on November 19th and then two days later we had our first snowflakes with less than one inch accumulation on the 21st.  We have entered into the time of the year where we can have rather dramatic temperature changes and stronger storm systems. This may be about to happen in the next two weeks.  Look below at the energy coming into the west coast during the next 24 hours:

The energy coming into the west coast will evolve into a storm system over the plains.  It isn't really a storm you can track by visually seeing it in the Pacific right now.  It is a series of smaller waves that will eventually carve out a trough and upper low as they combine into a storm by sometime late Wednesday.  The way this storm develops is another factor into figuring out what is going to happen this winter with our storm systems.  So, let's pay very close attention. The next map is valid Election Day night when we will likely have elected our next President of the United States.  A trough has been carved out by this time:

Between Tuesday night and Wednesday night an upper low will likely form just northwest of Kansas City over Nebraska.  How this storm forms aloft will signficantly influence how the storm forms at the surface.  Look below at the 500 mb (18,000 feet up) forecast valid Thursday morning at 6 AM:

As the upper low forms the front will slow down and start to produce thunderstorms.  There is a very good chance of rain with some thunderstorms possible by sometime Wednesday night into early Thursday. Any chance of snow will be north and west of the upper level low over the Dakota's and Rockies. 

The weather pattern for the winter is likely just about set, but what is it?  We are leaning strongly in the direction of an energetic weather pattern where storm systems may be intensifying in the plains states. Let's all watch closely how this storm develops, moves in and lifts out.  And watch the next two weeks very carefully as we see some colder air masses begin developing over Canada with the evolution of some split flow aloft aloft.  There is a lot to consider when we look at this developing weather pattern. The LRC could have landed on the right spot for an exciting weather pattern this winter.  One thing for sure, it is very different than last year and there are characteristics to this pattern that are quite unique.  I just haven't pinned down what we think of it all yet.  Our winter forecast will be on NBC Action News on November 24th, three weeks from tonight. 

We asked the question over the weekend on whether you wanted a cold and stormy winter.  And, the results were 59% in favor of the cold and stormy winter season.  Our first snowflakes may fall this month and you still have time to enter the snowflake contest.  The deadline for entries is this Saturday.  Our weather team will be making our predictions by Friday.

Have a great start to your week!

Gary

Published Monday, November 03, 2008 5:45 AM by glezak

Comments

 

weathermom said:

When are you doing your winter forcast?

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The answer is in this mornings blog.  November 24th!

Gary

November 3, 2008 7:10 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I'm going to enter right at the deadline just in case a storm pops up and we end up having a our first snowfall a week or two later. :) One week from Tuesday,  Gary! Hopefully no storm then.

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Andrew,

That is not a bad idea, but it is easy to get fooled by a map with that first chance of snow on it.  It may show up by the end of the week.

Gary

November 3, 2008 7:38 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I hope this LRC is better to us than last year....I know some St. Joeseph people and they are requesting a "break" from all that happened last winter to them. I told them I would be more than happy to take the snow off there hands, :o).  I am assuming that everyone's schedules are back to normal now?? Have a great day everyone.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS

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Monica,

Yes, we are back to normal for a few weeks.  But, the holidays are coming.  And, Pleasanton was in the middle of the snow hole last year.  I doubt it will be that way again this year.

Gary

November 3, 2008 7:51 AM
 

weathermom said:

Sorry, Gary, that was Weatherson.  He skims.  Lookiing forward to some interesting weather....this nice and sunny stuff is getting old for me!!!
November 3, 2008 8:08 AM
 

Gr8ful Ted said:

Good morning Mr Weathermen:  If I were to plan a ski trip in mid December, what particular region would you choose: Cascades or Sierra Nevada?  My son's in the Navy, but is off-submarine until 12/24, in Bremerton WA. We could easily jump up to Whistler or jet down to Reno and over to Tahoe. The Rockies were really hurting for moisture when I was in Avon 2 weeks ago.

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All of the mountains may have a very good two weeks ahead.  I am not sure which one area to target at this moment.  The Sierra often have a mid-December opening to their season.

Gary

November 3, 2008 8:15 AM
 

dougbce said:

SPC has us in a 30% probable area for Severe Weather Wedensday!  Anyone got any thoughts on that?

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We will address this possibility tonight on our weathercasts.  The low level moisture may be quite limited on high dewpoints.  Dewpoints in the 50s to near 60 will make this a marginal severe weather event.

Gary

November 3, 2008 8:33 AM
 

jacob said:

Andrew,

Could you please and try to remember where you got the digital image of Kansas City and where you got the weather icons.  If you can't remember, would David know?

Thanks.
November 3, 2008 8:54 AM
 

jacob said:

The SPC really has KC in the middle of the severe weather risk.  Could be interesting.
November 3, 2008 9:10 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

jacob,

David gave the icon to me, and made the 7 day forecast for  me. You could email him. Go to grlevelxstuff.com sign up and email him
November 3, 2008 9:44 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

November 3, 2008 9:53 AM
 

whirlygirl said:

After reading the NWS predictions for Wednesday they are not exactly highlighting any real threats. We might get rain and even some thunder but I don't think we will see severe . The real worry should be when all the icky snow is going to start.
Viva le soleil all you warm weather wienies LOL
November 3, 2008 10:06 AM
 

jacob said:

Andrew,

Did you buy weather4powerpoint?
November 3, 2008 10:28 AM
 

EdRoberts said:

@dougbce, @jacob
There is actually a climatological peak in severe weather at the end of October into early November. Given the strength of the jet streak moving in, I wouldn't be the least surprised to see severe weather around the area. As Gary said, the biggest question is moisture If we can bring mid-50 to 60 degree dewpoints in, our chance is much more significant. The GFS and WRF bring a corridor of upper 50 dewpoints into the area on Wednesday, but there isn't much more moisture to work work with until you get deep into east Texas. Mid 50s would certainly be enough for some severe thunderstorms.
November 3, 2008 10:39 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Jacob,
Yes I did I love it!
November 3, 2008 10:44 AM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Andrew,
I clicked your link and it does not work. I went to the website and looked up the weather at 7 p.m. Wends and 1 a.m. Thurs and both screens just show rain. Was your link supposed to show something else? Gary told us it was going to rain, so the forecast on weather underground isn't doing anything other than confirming what Gary is saying. I could have gotten the same info from NOAA.
November 3, 2008 11:08 AM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Now the NWS thoughts on the weather Wends. night are more interesting. They are saying that Lee's Summit has the possibility of 3/4" up to 1" of rain and the probability of rain is currently at 70%. Here is a link to what they are currently thinking Wends. night.
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/wxstory.php?site=eax
It is not all that different from what Gary has been saying.
Audra
November 3, 2008 11:15 AM
 

dougbce said:

weatherfreak, pretty much the whole metro on NOAA says 3/4 to 1" for Wednesday night.  St. Joseph says 1 to 2.

I don't need another gully washer to wipe out all my new grass seed...uuggghh!
November 3, 2008 11:54 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

November 3, 2008 12:11 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Andrew,
That link just wants me to create an account and sign in and it talks about the WunderCast Competition. Nice try though..
Audra
November 3, 2008 12:39 PM
 

jacob said:

Andrew,

Should I buy it?  Does it really have some cool things on it?  If you don't mind, send me a private message and tell me some more about it before I buy it.

Thank you very much!

November 3, 2008 12:40 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

weatherfreak,

that's what I was talking about. The forecasting competition.

Jacob,

Sure I will do it later, a little busy, have to get ready to go to JCCC soon.
November 3, 2008 12:58 PM
 

natel79 said:

TWC has snow showers forecasted for Friday and again Monday and Tuesday for us near Maryville.  Is there anything to this or will it change 5 times before we get there?  I am trying not to get into wishful thinking here.

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There is potential for snow showers the farther north you live.  But, it appears the best chance will be in Nebraska and Iowa. These would be south of the upper level low so rather spotty with no chance of any accumulation. But, let's see how it looks as we get closer.

Gary

November 3, 2008 1:01 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

Hey Jacob,
Check your inbox. I sent you a message with some info.
November 3, 2008 2:06 PM
 

GaryB said:

Natel, your best chance for snow may occur around the 21st, but but the best chance is closer to Dec. 7th.  sorry.
November 3, 2008 2:08 PM
 

bewild79 said:

I usually dont see it this quiet in here.  I use this as my entertainment during the day and not too many are commenting...
November 3, 2008 2:10 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

A storm on November 5/6th you say?  Hmmm...

A storm on November 18-20 someone mentioned?

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_ten_384l.gif

The real question is this...does Andrew push in all his chips on the storm mentioned from the 18-20 timeframe?  That is the real question.  LOL
November 3, 2008 2:13 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

GaryB, you also said that there would be a storm on Wed either...so go figure.

;-)  

Wasn't it the 12th that you were promoting as a bigger storm?  Is it this big storm?

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_500_216l.gif
November 3, 2008 2:16 PM
 

jacob said:

David,

I sent you an email on the address you sent me.

Thanks!
November 3, 2008 2:24 PM
 

bewild79 said:

well I can tell you that I know I lost the snowflake contest unless we can try again lol..
November 3, 2008 2:46 PM
 

juba said:

...PLAINS/MISSISSIPPI VALLEY...
  THE STRENGTH OF MID-LEVEL INHIBITION ASSOCIATED WITH AN ELEVATED
  MIXED LAYER EMANATING FROM THE PLATEAU REGION...THE MAGNITUDE OF THE
  LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE RETURN THROUGH THE PLAINS...AND SUBTLE
  DIFFERENCES AMONG THE MODELS CONCERNING SMALLER SCALE DETAILS OF THE
  LARGE SCALE PATTERN EVOLUTION...ARE ALL UNCERTAINTIES WHICH WILL
  AFFECT THE SEVERE POTENTIAL FOR THIS PERIOD.  BUT...GUIDANCE
  CONTINUES TO SUGGEST A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY WILL EXIST FOR THE
  DEVELOPMENT OF SCATTERED SUPERCELLS ALONG A PRE-FRONTAL DRY LINE
  ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS LATE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.  SUFFICIENT
  MOISTENING AND HEATING MAY OCCUR FOR MIXED LAYER CAPE OF 500-1000
  J/KG ACROSS PARTS OF CENTRAL/EASTERN OKLAHOMA AND KANSAS...PERHAPS
  FARTHER NORTHWARD INTO THE MID MISSOURI VALLEY.  AND...DEEP LAYER
  SHEAR BENEATH THE 50-70+ KT SOUTHWESTERLY 500 MB JET STREAK WILL BE
  STRONG...WITH LARGE CLOCKWISE CURVED LOW-LEVEL HODOGRAPHS NEAR A
  30-50+ KT SOUTHERLY 850 JET.
 
  FLOW FIELDS ARE PROGGED TO STRENGTHEN FURTHER INTO WEDNESDAY EVENING
  AS THE APPROACHING UPPER JET CORE BEGINS TO NOSE EAST OF THE
  DIFLUENT UPPER TROUGH AXIS.  COUPLED WITH STRENGTHENING LOW-LEVEL
  FORCING AS THE SURFACE COLD FRONT OVERTAKES THE DRY LINE AND SURGES
  TOWARD THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY AND GULF COAST... THE EVOLUTION OF AN
  EXTENSIVE SQUALL LINE APPEARS POSSIBLE.  THIS IS EXPECTED TO
  INCREASE THE SEVERE POTENTIAL FOR A PERIOD WEDNESDAY
  EVENING...PARTICULARLY IN THE FORM OF DAMAGING WINDS AND LARGE
  HAIL...ACROSS THE SOUTHEASTERN PLAINS INTO THE LOWER MISSOURI
  VALLEY/OZARK PLATEAU AND ARKLATEX...WHERE A LINGERING SEVERE THREAT
  MAY CONTINUE INTO EARLY THURSDAY.
November 3, 2008 3:33 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

haha spc seems to have a strong emphasis on the severe weather... it should be interesting

and what is that weather4powerpoint? sounds fun :) as for the snowflake contest, im too young :'( oh well... maybe in 2 years
November 3, 2008 4:07 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Weatherdude,

weather4powerpoint.com or Google it.

Everybody,

Look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/6j93pv
November 3, 2008 4:14 PM
 

RDub said:

"We asked the question over the weekend on whether you wanted a cold and stormy winter.  And, the results were 59% in favor of the cold and stormy winter season...."

Because all the people who enjoy warm sunny weather were not reading the blog over the weekend. They were out enjoying the weather!
November 3, 2008 4:39 PM
 

weatherwyco said:

WOW! What a beautiful early November day outside today in Kansas City. Made it all the way up to 78.6 today here at 130th and State Avenue in KCK. Maybe a slight influence from the sun on that temp this afternoon with the changing sun angle. But none the less a wonderful late fall day in KC. Have had a nice SSW wind all afternoon running about 7 MPH for the most part. Looks like later this week is going to get pretty interesting in terms in of rainfall and some potential severe weather. Also just looked at the some of the most recent model runs, and NWS appears to agree with them somewhat that we may see some Rain/Snow mix on the backside all the way down possibly to I-70. Interesting for sure…Have a good evening everyone, and don’t forget to get out and VOTE tomorrow!

Bryan
November 3, 2008 4:43 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

not trying to draw attention away from the imminent rain event on wednesday night...but areas along and north of I-70 stand a pretty alright chance of seeing their first real(not graupel or sleet) snowflakes of the season on thurs night-and especially into friday.  850 temps reach -6C by late thursday night and the freezing layer is expected to dip all the way down to ~1500 feet above the ground.  the temps have been trending downward for the given time frame as well.  this all according to the nws and subsequent analysis of the emcwf.

limiting factor would be qpf.  however, shower activity does seem possible during the time frame...no accumulations, though! clouds should persist through the weekend giving a raw feel to the weekend.  monday/tuesday is looking very wet!

im not liking the severe chances for the metro on wed night/thurs morning.  when the squall line forms it will likely be focused on far SE ks and into SW mo and NW AR and eastern OK.  it will definitely rain, and we could have some storms...but the severe stuff will be relegated further south and east of here...

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Pvt Murphy,

If the upper low forms a bit farther south I will agree with you.  Let's see where it forms.

Gary

November 3, 2008 4:43 PM
 

weatherwyco said:

You are correct Pbt_Murphy...doesnt look like a big severe weather event for the metro area at all as of right now, not to say we wont see a few wind/hail reports but nothing major. As for the snow...it is looking interesting for those of us along and North of I-70. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come this season!!

Bryan
November 3, 2008 4:57 PM
 

rhelm said:

I thought the LRC was setting up to be warmer and drier than normal. Maybe I missed a few storms in the last 5 weeks?

I thought last year was the longest, and one of the coldest winters in my 8 years in KC. I agree with RDub - all the people that wanted a warm winter were outside!

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We still have a lot to figure out on this years LRC.

Gary

November 3, 2008 7:23 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

I just saw the SPC outlook for day three and I'm excited. now we don't need anything major but it's been a while since I've had a good thunderstorm maybe one last bang for fall. then lets get some snow in here!
November 3, 2008 8:47 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Pvt,

Normally, we see things similarly, but I think the 0z run duped you.  While we might catch some of the cold air, I think the surface/ULL is too far north for us to catch any snow flakes..I just don't think we are in the right spot or enough moisture to bring it this time.  We will have to see...

Also, based on what "we have seen before", I would expect the ULL to drift further NE after its visit in this neck of the woods...I would think it would be further north and may bring the linear component a bit closer.  Definitely, not a huge outbreak scenario for us, but possible severe in the southern side of the viewing area I think.

Severe weather is tough until you are right on it..but the wind profiles are very good and this reminds me of set ups you might see early Spring in the SE where CAPEs aren't very high at all, but catch some nice wind profiles.

Still something to watch.
November 3, 2008 10:57 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Internet was not working for most of the day...
just wanted to say very good blog, got me kind of excited, will be fun to see how this next storm plays out, not to mention it is all ready Election day, well better get to bed I have an important decision to make later today;), at least the weather will be warm.

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Nick,

It may be a good pattern, but I am not convinced yet.

Gary

November 4, 2008 12:54 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:

Good warm mid Fall morning to you sir!!! It is for sure a very nice morning outside this morning-a great weather day to get out and vote that is for sure!!!

Well, I think I am  back!!! The past few weeks I have so wanted to write in as I think the weather was quite fascinating and indeed (I think!!!) showed us that we do have some potential at times to have a significant winter weather event this season. However, I have moved (emphasis on the pronoun I-will leave it at that!!) and just got my new computer up and running. But I think I am finally settled so I hope I will be able to be more active in the Blog-I sure have missed it!!! I am still in the same area as I moved two streets over so I am still Bill in Lawrence!!

Willl be interesting to follow this upper level low the next 48 hours-the 6Z GFS again has a track further North especially compared to yesterday's runs and that does make sense given the time of year we are-it is still early in the season to have a monster low head south of us on average-I think???

I am beginning to focus on next week as we have our anual sleep in boxes next Thursday to kick off our food drive. I want it to be cold as it helps us get more items that night and that really helps the overall items drive but man i hope it doesn't rain-I'd rather it snow than rain!! This will be my 10th year of doing this (did it 7 years when I taught in Kansas City) and I have yet to be rained on-if the 6z GFS is onto something, we may be getting very wet indeed!!! Still along ways out, but my eye is for sure looking at next Thursday!!!

Have a great day-hold onto your hat-we will for sure feel like our state name today: people of the south wind (love that song by Kansas by the way!!!)-as that low begins to close off, our winds should really pick up!!

Take care and as always, thanks for reading-it is great to be back!!!

Bill oops my hat just went to Nebraska in Lawrence

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Bill,

I am trying to get the blog entry in there early to catch your entry, but I  missed you by just a few minutes.

We have started going over the weather pattern and it is very, very complex.  I am not sure yet what it holds for our winter, but we should have a better idea soon.

Gary

November 4, 2008 5:42 AM
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