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A colder change....November 6, 2008

Good morning,

A strong storm has developed over the plains and we will be under its influence into Saturday.  We will call this storm #1, and it brought us 1/2" to 1" of rain in most areas last night, with 1.70" just northeast of Kansas City around Chillicothe.  There is a storm #2, and possibly a storm #3 that could affect our region next week. 

Let's start with storm #1.  Look below at the surface forecast for 3 PM this afternoon:

A 992 mb surface low is forecast to be over Minnesota this afternoon. Northwest and west of this surface low snow will be likely today with significant blowing and drifting over the Dakotas.  A Blizzard Warning is in effect for this area today.  The pressure gradient around this storm is very tight and we will experience west to southwest winds 20-40 mph this afternoon. We are going into the dry slot of this storm so I am expecting it to be mostly sunny today.  As this storm very slowly drifts northeast low clouds will wrap around the big circulation leading to a cloudy and cool Friday. 

Our first chance of snow may arrive early next week.  There are many uncertainties with this storm #2.  Split flow is increasing over North America as you can see below.  The jet stream is splitting into two just off the west coast of the USA and Canada. One stream goes up into Canada and then around the upper low near Hudson Bay. This is going to provide a colder stream of air into the United States.  A second stream dives south around a developing southern Rockies storm system. 

For us to have snow on Monday this storm will have to take a track that combines with the northern branch perfectly to allow for enough cold air for snow.  The track of the upper level storm, strength, amount of moisture, lift, and cold enough air are the factors that are not even close to being determined at this time.  We will be tracking these developments on NBC Action News today and tonight.

Have a great start to your day.  We will answer your questions, but if you get specific about the snow potential we will likely not answer any of those questions.  Right now we just know that there is a chance that the conditions will come together for our first threat of snow, but it could end up just being a few clouds, a cold rain, or some other scenario yet to be determined.  If you haven't entered the snowflake contest the deadline is Saturday and this first chance could end the contest.  I would say the chance is very slim of our first inch of snow, but it is early.  Good luck!

Gary

Published Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:47 AM by glezak

Comments

 

juba said:

.88" of rain from last night at Johnson County Executive Airport.
November 6, 2008 6:17 AM
 

davidmcg said:

Gary we got 0.47" of rain last night in rural McLouth, KS

Snow will be here soon enough Mister.  Your crazy about the snow.  I think you get more excited about snow than any other adult I know.  Two weeks to the winter forecast.

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I think it was snow deprivation as a child growing up in the Los Angeles area where it never snowed in my 18 years there.

Gary

November 6, 2008 6:20 AM
 

sad74 said:

1.65" 3 N of Odessa, MO

Thanks,
Scott

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Scott,

Thanks for the total!

Gary

November 6, 2008 6:33 AM
 

dougbce said:

1.05" is my total for 169 & Englewood in KC North
Doug
November 6, 2008 6:53 AM
 

kane1970 said:

.65 In of rain and a whole lot of leaves in Belton Mo. Great blog. I love it when you use Storm #1 and #2 talk.lol. Sounds like it is going to stay cooler for a while. Is there any signs that we might make a run at 70s again. Have a great day.
November 6, 2008 7:07 AM
 

VdoManZ said:

1.55 in SE Lee's Summit
November 6, 2008 7:08 AM
 

DPannell said:

1.15" here in Paola.  Beautiful morning, clean, crisp air.  Looking forward to a period of drying out.  Doing the "no snow, no snow" stomp!  I still say, first inch of snow will NOT happen until January ;).
November 6, 2008 7:39 AM
 

Mark M said:

It appears that you nailed the forecast again yesterday.  I remember you saying that Chillicothe could get the most rain with up to 2".  Great job!

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Thank you so much.  The tough thing about yesterday is the severe weather being hyped up a bit too much.  The threat for our local area was never really significant, and we tried to communicate this point.  It ended up being a nice gentle rain with that bullseye to our northeast.

Gary

November 6, 2008 7:42 AM
 

weathermom said:

I'm 44 and I LOVE the snow!!  Bring it on!!
November 6, 2008 7:43 AM
 

Brocksmama said:

Here at 68th Terr. and Oak, the rain gauge shows 1.4" .  I am glad it's cooling off again- I have a bunch of pretty fall sweaters I like to wear when it gets into the 40's and lower!  Have a great day!  Dea
November 6, 2008 7:46 AM
 

N2mountains said:

It is great to see these dramatic changes going on in the atmosphere. When you think about the LRC and we have these big changes going on it gives you hope that in the heart of winter these may materialize into big snows! Bring it on, I have lived in the midwest all my life and you just can't get enough of it here. If it is going to be cold, then lets at least have the white stuff to make it better. Cold in these parts and no snow make for a long gloomy winter. 50 inches in Blue Springs this winter would be mighty fine!!!
November 6, 2008 8:06 AM
 

reafamily said:

My daughter is a cheerleader and they tried to have a football game in Adrian last night, but the storms gave us over an hour delay and then a postponement. Thankfully they moved all of the kids into the locker rooms, as the rain and winds were very strong. The kids will finish the game tonight. At our house in Altona (between Adrian and Ballard) we had 2.1 inches of rain.
Pat
November 6, 2008 8:11 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Snow dance!! Except push back until after Tuesday. :)
November 6, 2008 8:18 AM
 

LibertyJeff said:

Good morning Gary!  We had 1.25" in Liberty.

I admit it, I'm a snowaholic!  Glad you enjoy snow so much being from LA.  One of my companies used to be in SE Orange County, in the hilly parts, and they were always terrified of a strong storm dropping the elevations.  

After growing up in Ohio and living through the blizzards of '77 and '78 I realize none of this snow lately is bad at all.  There's nothing like opening your front door and see a wall of snow higher than your entry way.  It took over a weeks to dig out the county.  Could be what the Dakotas wake up to tomorrow when it is over!
November 6, 2008 8:20 AM
 

frigate said:

Gary,

2.16 in SW Grain Valley...was shocked at that total...but in checking some of my fellow CocoRahs members nearby, there have been several close amounts reported and more. The highest  2 1/2 inches in Richmond. Must have been a narrow band of heavier precip.

Jeff
November 6, 2008 8:22 AM
 

JeffinSKC said:

gary:

119th & state line received 1.38" this time around.

jeff
November 6, 2008 8:23 AM
 

stormlover said:

We put up a rain guage at work which is about 1 mile from my house.  Both house & work said 1 inch of rain.  I'm in Liberty.  The thunder was so nice to hear last night.  Growing up in Wisconsin I love snow but love a good thunderstorm too!
November 6, 2008 8:28 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I was surprised by all the rain we got last night. My total is 1.85 inches. I am sure happy we mulched up all those leaves yesterday before the rain. Looking forward to the cooler weather and possiblity of our first snow flakes. I do hope this winter is more exciting than the last one. My youngest is almost 3 and was not at the age to enjoy the 21 incher we got 3 years back. I dream of another snow fall like that one....it was so exciting and fun!!!!! Have a great day everyone.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
November 6, 2008 8:38 AM
 

Bigbadbob said:

135th and Nall received 1.56" this time
November 6, 2008 9:02 AM
 

farmgirl said:

1.9 inches in La Cygne. What do you get when take the S and W away from snow... NO!! Bring on the sun and more indian summer.
November 6, 2008 9:15 AM
 

Larry A said:

NW Lawrence received 0.66" for this event.
November 6, 2008 9:54 AM
 

kane1970 said:

What about storm #3? I know that it is even father of than #2 but, What are you earliest thoughts.
November 6, 2008 10:17 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

I know its a days away, but could you look into your crystal ball and tell me what you currently see Wednesday/Thursday as far as precipitation chances?  I have a concert I'm going to in Omaha and will be leaving mid-day Wed and returning to KC early, early morning Thurs.  I really prefer to not have any wet/snowy weather.
November 6, 2008 10:23 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Next Monday is tricky.  I wonder if the split flow will be as strong as progged..will it leak out enough energy to form a ULL under the big upper level ridge?

I sense the GFS struggling just a bit right now on timing...I think it is being to quick and a bit progressive.  Looking at the 12z run, it is moving things quick quickly.

Consequently, the storm I was expecting on the 18-20th, I might have to bring in a bit do to that acceleration.  Maybe the 16th is closer to it.  The GFS shows it on the 14th, but I think that is WAY too fast.

This split flow is screwing me up right now...LOL

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There is very little doubt that the split flow will be significant.  And, that this storm will affect us on Monday into Tuesday.  But, will it be cold enough for snow? This is something we will not know for sure until Monday night as it is happening since there is no Arctic air.

Gary

November 6, 2008 10:28 AM
 

jon64506 said:

about 3/8 of an inch in st jo. partly cloudy and very windy. going out today to find a pair of yaktrax. wore out the pair i had last year.great for dog walking in snow and ice.
November 6, 2008 10:35 AM
 

Gr8ful Ted said:

137th Terrace & Roe: We received 1.29" of rain through this morning.
Ready for snow, bro
November 6, 2008 10:46 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

ANyone who has been hearing tornado sirens going off in JoCo, the Shawnee FD advises it is a fluke and they are looking into it..but no storms.
November 6, 2008 11:15 AM
 

MelissaLG said:

Jeri-

Thank you for the explanation.  My office is literally next door to the siren at Shawnee Mission Pkwy & Glenwood ... very loud.  I wondered what was going on!
November 6, 2008 11:34 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Yesterday was the first Wednesday of the month. Wonder if they waited a day since there was a slight chance of severe weather?
November 6, 2008 11:41 AM
 

MelissaLG said:

kane-

I had wondered the same thing myself.  When I first heard them, I wondered if I had my days mixed up and it was really Wednesday!  

It's been quiet for a while now, so hopefully they've either fixed the issue or gotten their testing done.
November 6, 2008 11:47 AM
 

micshell said:

Gary and Team,

I am do to fly into KC next Thursday evening and I really don't like weather issues while flying-what does it look like for the 13th?  I know its quite a bit out, but I like to be prepared.  I know coming from DC to KC I will likely see a significant temperature decline-but what about the wind and precipitation?
Thanks!
November 6, 2008 12:08 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

That west-southwest wind is really howling today, what an impressive storm system!
Winter gets a little closer each day!
Time to enjoy some of this nice cool day, with the whoosh of wind and leaves outside the house and the rattling of the windows.

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Nick,

Do you think the ball landed in the right spot on the roulette wheel?  My favorite number is 26 black.  Did it land there? 

Gary

November 6, 2008 12:32 PM
 

wsbgweather said:

I just poured out 2 and 4/10 inches of rain from my gauge here near Warrensburg!
November 6, 2008 12:58 PM
 

kcroyals05 said:

Afternoon Gary and weather team.   1.70 inches of rain in Grandview..  
November 6, 2008 2:06 PM
 

jstonemo said:

I got 2.1" of rain in Greenwood.
November 6, 2008 2:53 PM
 

RDub said:

I think snow lovers should probably keep their hopes in check for Monday...I think cold rain is a lot more likely. Of course it's early but my advice would be to expect no snow and be pleasantly surprised if it happens.
November 6, 2008 3:29 PM
 

GaryB said:

1.9" in Lee's Summit on the east side.
November 6, 2008 3:45 PM
 

GaryB said:

Except for flurrys, cold rains and a few freezing rain events, I wouldn't expect any measurable snow till maybe the 21st- if then.  
November 6, 2008 3:50 PM
 

Braysmama said:

Received 2.2 in my rain gauge 3 miles SW of Kingsville.

Kimberley
November 6, 2008 4:05 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Never thought this would happen...LOL..I agree with Rdub.  Flakes MIGHT be possible, but likely rain.
November 6, 2008 4:11 PM
 

RDub said:

Now if only I could remember what I entered for the snowflake contest...had to be last week in November I'm pretty sure.
November 6, 2008 4:29 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

that was a nice storm last nite! i loved the lightning with the first band that came through, great cloud to cloud stuff... as for the precip i got about .8 in the guage rite now in southern leawood :D

as much as i miss those november 70s, i cant wait for the first snow!!! I LOVE THE WHITE STUFF!
November 6, 2008 4:54 PM
 

xrysostom said:

Emma, MO picked up 1.64" from "Storm Number One."

Walt Snyder
November 6, 2008 4:59 PM
 

Brocksmama said:

RDub-  It simply can not snow 1 inch until Nov. 24th!!  That's the date I picked!!  Dea
November 6, 2008 5:32 PM
 

weatherwyco said:

Storm total here at 130th and State Avenue was .62. Currently sitting at 42° with a NNW around 9 MPH.

Looking forward to Monday and Tuesday...Be it a cold rain or some snow!

Bryan
November 6, 2008 9:22 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Is it just me or is the latest gfs taking this storm further north on tuesday?
November 6, 2008 10:07 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Dont let the anchorwoman steal the ring Gary!
November 6, 2008 10:22 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well sorry for the late response Gary, if you don't catch this I will re-enter it tomorrow, that is a tough question, first of all what exactly would be the "right spot", for me I would say a pattern that produces over 30 inches of snow with roughly 5 events making up most of the total with some smaller storms, and lots of cold air( although it would be cool to see a 20+ incher snow storm), so I think that it is close, I think that it shows signs of having a cool trend, although not as cool as last year, and storm systems still Maxing out close by, but is it set up exactly right...
well I don't want to count all my snowflakes before they materialize;)
November 7, 2008 2:12 AM
 

Philip said:

Nov 5&6 Rainfall in Heneritta was 2.7"
November 7, 2008 3:23 AM
 

DPannell said:

"No Snow, No Snow, No Snow"....;)  The No Snow Stomp from Paola.............I still think it's working.
November 7, 2008 6:06 AM
 

Nick Rau said:

Wow, the visible sat. of the conus, especially to the east is rather impressive with three big swirls, #1 our storm over the plains, #2 a low off of the New England coast, #3 Hurricane Paloma under Cuba, on the IR Loop it looks like Paloma is going to town with deepening convection, the entire "trio" looks like two cinnamon rolls and a donut, brings a whole new meaning to "Continental Breakfast"LOL;)
November 7, 2008 3:08 PM
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