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The changing weather pattern...November 12, 2008

Watch the WINTER FORECAST Monday night, November 24th!

Good morning bloggers,

We will talk about the developing weather pattern, the cold front heading our way, and whether or not it is going to become sunny this afternoon.  Let's start with today. 

I was walking Breezy and Stormy around 5:30 this morning and we saw the nearly full moon sneaking out from behind the clouds.  This is a good indication that the sun will make its return by this afternoon.  The clearing line should pass the state line by noon today.  So, we are sticking with our forecast high of 52 degrees.

Now, onto the cold front approaching.  Look below at the forecast surface map for Friday morning:

A cold front will be moving through Friday morning.  There is a disturbance aloft that will also be approaching Friday morning and depending on how it evolves we could see some precipitation on Friday.  Surface cold air will be lacking, so despite the thickness dropping down to critical snow criteria snowflakes may still hold off for now.  It is something to pay close attention to however.  I circled the 540 thickness indicator above.  Thickness is directly related to the temperature of a layer.  540 means 5,400 meters is the distance between the 1,000 mb level (near the surface) and the 500 mb level (around 18,000 feet up).  Kansas City is near the 546 line (the first dotted red line).  This means that the layer between 1,000 mb and 500 mb is 5,460 meters thick, and warmer than the area to our northwest.  We consider the 540 line as the 50% chance that it is cold enough to snow near the surface (below 1,000 feet).   So, watch this first blue dotted line on the surface maps as storm systems move by as one of your forecasting tools.  But, just because we have a 540 thickness or lower doesn't mean it will snow. We have to be able to generate precipitation first.  We will be monitoring this situation and describing it on our weathercasts today and tonight on NBC Action News.

Upper level energy is strengthening/developing over the northeast Gulf of Alaska, southwestern Canada, and the Pacific northwest states.  A longwave trough will be forming east of Kansas City later this week and this will allow a strong cold front to move through.  A longwave trough is a broad big feature that moves slowly.  Shortwave troughs are fast moving upper level storms that carve out the bigger and broader longwaves.  The LRC, my weather pattern theory, describes the mean longwave troughs and ridges that become established every fall and tend to repeat over and over again for months to come.  I call these mean troughs "long term" longwave troughs.  During the past few weeks we have experienced the development of a unique weather pattern of these troughs and ridges that will likely be the determining factor on how we experience winter this year.  Where are these mean troughs and ridges?  A few have dug into the western states.  Many have dug into the central states, and a few in the east.  The weather pattern is obviously very complex and it is something we are still trying to figure out and pin down before our winter forecast airs on November 24th.  I do have a first impression, but I am being very careful and waiting, analyzing, researching, and working on the best way to describe this weather pattern.  So, be patient.  The winter forecast is just days away (one week from Monday night). 

Have a fantastic day!  Is anyone going to see Coldplay Thursday night?  I may be able to go, depending on breaking news.  I would do the weather live from the Sprint Center, outside if everything lines up.

Gary

Published Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:00 AM by glezak

Comments

 

boootz said:

Gary, your such a tease with that Winter word, I think as faithful bloggers we should get a sneak preview into your Winter outlook..lol

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I think you can sense what I am thinking, but it is very complex.  I really need a few more days.

Gary

November 12, 2008 6:27 AM
 

spotter said:

good morning gary well i put in vote nomber 2 with boootz give us bloggers a sneak peek into your thoughts of the winter outlook its got to be total different than the nws thoughts for the next three months.have a great day.
November 12, 2008 7:01 AM
 

spotter said:

ok gary i will let you off the hook take your time so you give us your total expert thoughts when you release your winter forecast but its hard to wait to see what you are thinking.again have a great day!!!

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I am not just waiting to lay it out there because our winter forecast is on the 24th.  The true position of the mean "long term" longwaves still has to be figured out.  And, every day that goes by we get closer to it and we learn more.  It is usually during December or even as late as early January where we really "know" what this weather pattern is so give us just a little more time.

Gary

November 12, 2008 7:24 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Just keep your pants on guys.

Doesn't look like much moisture! What time is your forecast at? Is it on the ten news? If it is how much time are you going to get? Also, are you going to go in depth on the radio as well like you have done in the past? Thanks. I know that was a lot of questions but I just had to let it out lol.

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It will be on at 10 PM, November 24th.  We haven't put the special segment together, but it will likely be around 3 minutes.  I could use 30 minutes to describe this weather pattern.  But, I will figure out the best way to do it and make it informative, educational, and entertaining.

Then on Tuesday morning, the 25th, Newsradio 980 KMBZ will likely have a special segment that will  allow me to go even more in-depth into what the weather pattern is and what I think it will mean for us.

Gary

November 12, 2008 7:27 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I can not wait for the winter forecast! I am hoping for an active winter in my area. Is tonight a full moon?? If the skies are clear it should be nice and bright outside tonight. I am enjoying the cooler temps, I do love this time of year!! Have a fantastic day everyone.
Monica
Pleasanton, KS

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Yes Monica, the full moon is tonight!

Gary

November 12, 2008 8:34 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

And you will go in depth on the blog, Tuesday morning. it will a nice techy kind of blog!!! :D :) ;)
November 12, 2008 8:49 AM
 

95rred said:

Looking forward to first snow. The first one is always the best and most exciting one of the season! I get as excited as anyone about potential snow. However whenever snow is in the forcast I always try to temper my excitment. There are so many components that have to come together for it to snow if one of these components is missing it likely will not happen. I know Gary has talked about everything that needed to be in place for snow but I dont remember the specifics.  
November 12, 2008 8:58 AM
 

MusicInOlathe said:

Gary-I'll be at Coldplay!  I'm glad it doesn't look like it'll be too cold or rainy outside.  I think your forcast live from Sprint will make a great opener for Coldplay!  I can't wait for the forcast either, my elementary kids are starving for some snow!  

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I may miss a few songs as I will be outside from 10 PM to 10:30 PM.  My spin will be "it's cold outside and Coldplay is inside" or something like that.

Gary

November 12, 2008 9:24 AM
 

reafamily said:

I am ready for a snow day myself! :0 I know the students are getting antsy as well. Thanksgiving is still a long way away.
November 12, 2008 9:30 AM
 

RDub said:

A snow day? We'll be lucky to get a snow flurry anytime soon, let alone a snow day. It's still only November 12...
November 12, 2008 9:35 AM
 

Dwight said:

Hey, it seems that being faithful readers and  posters to this site would provide the benefit of a sneak preview of your winter forecast and the new  pattern set-up. Could you provide that as a perk for us?  We're just not your regular viewers at 10pm! We're special!!! :o)

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There will be some sneak peaks and hints as it gets closer.  You deserve it!

Gary

November 12, 2008 9:43 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Yeah Gary...we are special!!! :o) I agree with Dwight. LOLOL!
November 12, 2008 9:51 AM
 

dougbce said:

bewild............you asked for this yesterday I believe.

maps gfs, nam and a lot more.

http://www.arl.noaa.gov/READY_animations.php
November 12, 2008 9:56 AM
 

dougbce said:

looks to me like the current gfs (about the 66 hour mark) is showing a little preceipitation Friday night with the 540 line being a good ways south of of us.  Should be interesting to watch this to see if the GFS moves that 540 line farther south, or puts more precipitation on us.

Doesn't look very impressive though?
November 12, 2008 10:01 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

November 12, 2008 10:01 AM
 

bewild79 said:

thank you dougbce!!
November 12, 2008 10:09 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

the clouds seem to be lowering here, and the temp dropped almost 2 degrees this past hour...weird.  on the last couple frames of the vis. sat. imagery loop it appears as though that sliver of clear skies heading our way is filling back in with stratus clouds gary...with the weak sun angle, it may be a cloudier day than expected.  at the least there might be some breaks in the clouds around noon, but it looks like it will cloud back up again.
November 12, 2008 10:20 AM
 

jacob said:

I also want to say thank you...that is a wonderful page!
November 12, 2008 10:21 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

then again, maybe the sun will win the battle and burn these clouds off.  i would like some sun today, so im rooting for it.
November 12, 2008 10:22 AM
 

jacob said:

I think highs will stay in the mid to upper 40's for today.  I would say probably about 49 degrees at KCI.
November 12, 2008 10:25 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

I just really want to know if we are expecting a replay of last year. I know many weren't happy that there wasn't more snow, but for me it was too much snow/ice and wasn't much fun.  And if it isn't a replay from last year, I'd like LESS precip, not more.  The cold is fine, I can deal, but I'd like to use my vacation days for a real vacation, not because I'm freaked out about driving.

And I'd also like to know what the LRC is currently saying about the weekend of December 6th.  We are planning my daughter's 3rd birthday and many coming from out of town.  Last year it iced and we had to cancel the party. I hope we dont have to do the same this time.
November 12, 2008 10:47 AM
 

kane1970 said:

11/11/1911 That was pretty cool. Jeff, thanks for that story. 76 degrees to 11 degrees. Thats just crazy.
November 12, 2008 11:01 AM
 

KSCityKitty said:

Did the civil defense siren testing schedule change?  Sirens are going off in Lenexa (at 11:01am).
November 12, 2008 11:02 AM
 

Ross said:

My wife just heard it in north OP.
November 12, 2008 11:12 AM
 

Dwxtracker said:

KSCityKitty said:
"Did the civil defense siren testing schedule change?  Sirens are going off in Lenexa (at 11:01am)."

Perhaps they couldn't test last week, so they went with the second Wednesday of the month?
November 12, 2008 11:23 AM
 

davidmcg said:

Well right on schedule I guess, maybe a little late.  The sun broke out here about 15 minutes ago in McLouth, KS and its 48 degrees even.
November 12, 2008 11:25 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Friday into Sat. looks like a long shot.
November 12, 2008 11:45 AM
 

chfs327 said:

For the Siren Test earlier. I thought in JOCO they Tested the Sirens Last Thursday because of Severe weather.

So Unless they made a Booboo and tested at the wrong time.
November 12, 2008 11:53 AM
 

Gr8ful Ted said:

Tonite, the Radiators, from New Orleans, are at Knuckleheads... good rock 'n roll
November 12, 2008 11:57 AM
 

RDub said:

I wouldn't be surprised by flurries or snow showers Friday night or Saturday as the cold air rushes in. Latest GFS seems to have a little disturbance going right over us.
November 12, 2008 11:59 AM
 

bewild79 said:

i missed the forcast has anything changed?
November 12, 2008 12:10 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well, it really looks like a fight down to the wire for cloud burn off in St. Joe, looks like the clearing is moving in to K.C. soon, as for St. Joe, a close call...;)
November 12, 2008 12:39 PM
 

bewild79 said:

it feels colder now than it was earilier.
November 12, 2008 12:46 PM
 

RDub said:

Clearing out nicely here near Shawn Miss Pkwy and Antioch. Partly cloudy, at least.
November 12, 2008 1:08 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Clouds in and out here in Olathe
November 12, 2008 1:34 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

They had to cancel the test last week b/c of the threat of T-Storms
November 12, 2008 1:44 PM
 

KSCityKitty said:

Thanks, Andrew.  We noticed the sirens went off last Thursday in Lenexa as well, so I was highly confused (easily done)!  Ha.
November 12, 2008 1:52 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

rdub didnt you say not long ago that we should expect any flakes for a while?

the vort lobe has been consistent for fri night/sat on the 00z/12z runs for several days .

well, the sun did indeed come out, although its not very strong...clouds still dominate large patches of the sky.  hasnt warmed up a whole lot either, has it?
November 12, 2008 2:28 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

edit: 'should NOT see flakes for a while'
November 12, 2008 2:28 PM
 

RDub said:

Pvt, I'm not sure what you are talking about...I commented last week that I thought we would only get cold rain early this week. If it was something I said before then, well, then I was right, since it has already been a while with no flakes yet.
November 12, 2008 3:24 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

November 12, 2008 3:32 PM
 

wthrworrywart said:

Gary,
I have a question regarding your LRC. Please correct me if I am wrong because I am still trying to understand but basically that way I get it is that a new weather pattern sets up in October and then cycles through and pretty much what happens in fall/winter is very similar to what is going to happen in the spring time, is that right?
And if so does that mean we are going to have a very active spring because so far it has been a very active fall and it looks like winter will be that way as well. It also seems like just about every storm that has come through recently has been named a "strong or very strong" storm  so does that too mean that strong to very strong storms are going to be coming through in the spring???? if that's the case I might move back to California for good and leave my husband here. :-) I do not do well when the weather turns ugly and things have the possiblity of dropping out of the sky.
thank you for the information!
Jamie at Whiteman AFB

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Jamie,

Good questions and a lot of assumptions.  The LRC describes the weather pattern that sets up by now, and then cycles.  So, what will this pattern mean for winter, spring, and summer?  We will answer these questions as best we can soon.  A stormy pattern does not mean there will be a lot of severe weather here in the spring.  There is a lot more to it than this.  And, I am not saying it is a stormy pattern yet.  Our analysis continues. 

Gary

November 12, 2008 3:35 PM
 

juba said:

What your email? I can't send it to you for some reason.
November 12, 2008 3:50 PM
 

juba said:

November 12, 2008 4:04 PM
 

juba said:

juba said:
What your email? I can't send it to you for some reason.:
Fary, Jeremy etc. . . .
November 12, 2008 4:05 PM
 

Snow Day said:

Wow, next week could be a huge Trough and Cold air mid next week onward...models keep trying to develop some type of BIG Storm System in the Central or Eastern US
November 12, 2008 4:17 PM
 

pmccabe58 said:

Ah i can not wait for the winter forcast. There is nothing better than snow it seriously is the best. Gary take your time and make us get a lot of snow! :)
Phillip
November 12, 2008 5:38 PM
 

lezakEF5 said:

Hey Gary,

I am going to make the winter video tonight!

Alex
November 12, 2008 6:28 PM
 

marlina10 said:

You were right on the mark, Gary! The clouds burned off today here in Mission and by sunset it was a clear day. There were pretty pink sunset hues in the sky on my drive home. Gave me something to look at as I sat in that traffic jam from the Sprint Center event.

I'm excited about your winter forecast! It always helps me gauge whether this may be a winter that I can get excited about, or retreat and grumble about how I should move to Minnesota to get more snow. =)

You should gather the bloggers that will be at the Coldplay concert and put them on the air during your weather segment!
November 12, 2008 8:34 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

kci has already beat your forecast low gary.  when are the winds supposed to pick up tonight? its dead calm out there. 36 degrees with a 32 degree dewpoint.  could be some fog tonight-although it does look like some mid level moisture will make it to us overnight...may keep fog from forming.  monday is looking cooler than your forecast suggests.  climatological norm looks prudent-not nearly 60! enjoy coldplay!

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PVT,

Gary's forecast low was just fine.  Actually in situations with rising temps overnight picking one number is really tough.  Do you pick a number that occurs during the evening, or one after midnight, or one around 6 a.m.  Also, I think Gary had highs in the 40s for Monday last night at 10 p.m., maybe the earlier model runs looked milder.  The forecast is going to change with the quickly moving systems in and out about every 36 hours or so.  Should be fun to track.

Jeremy

November 12, 2008 9:43 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

November 12, 2008 10:46 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I think I know the cycle length:

http://tinyurl.com/6ny27c

http://tinyurl.com/5awbg9
November 12, 2008 10:57 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I think I know the cycle length:

http://tinyurl.com/6ny27c

http://tinyurl.com/5awbg9

45-48 days long, and of course give or take a few days
November 12, 2008 10:58 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I just did a entry on my blog:

http://kcweatherblog.blogspot.com/
November 12, 2008 11:47 PM
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