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'If you don't like the weather...just wait a day'

***Tune in Monday, November 24 at 10 p.m. for Kansas City's most accurate Winter Forecast***

The title of the blog will be the weather theme for about the next 3-5 days.  Lots of ups and downs are on the way...with today being a definite down!  Highs were around 40 today, but most of those occurred just after midnight.  Mainly upper 30s were observed Saturday afternoon.  But the cold was half the story since winds gusted near 30 mph and we also recorded our first trace of snow at KCI.  For more information on the snow and some climatological numbers related to average snow dates please see my previous blog.

The cold push of air that arrived yesterday and today was something we were discussing almost 7 days ago.  Last weekend I even blogged about possible snowflakes with this system for Kansas City.  While this wasn't a major precipitation maker, it was a huge change and our accurate forecast leading up to this event is a good reminder why so many people continue to participate in our blog and watch our weather segments each day.  A huge thank you to everyone!

Alright, time to discuss some of the changes ahead this week.  The previous blog displayed a surface map for Sunday with temperatures in the 50s.  Now let's look at the 850mb temperature map.  Notice the push of warmer air about 1500 meters above the surface.  Around Kansas City the 850mb temperatures on this map are about 7-8C.

After Sunday another shot of colder air will drop in and as a result by Monday highs will be back in the 40s.  There are a few holiday lighting ceremonies around the area Monday evening, and if you attend plan for temperatures from 40-35.

Below is the forecast surface map for Monday.  The cold front is well to the south of the area.  Lurking on the horizon is a warm front that may push highs back into the 60s by Wednesday.  The key this time of year to any warm-up is if the warmest air aloft can arrive during the day and peak heating.  With the shorter days big warm-ups get tougher the farther we head into November and December.

 

 

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With the cold air moving in on Monday and a good warm-up possibly in the cards for Wednesday, Tuesday will be a 'transitional' day with a cold morning in the 20s and afternoon highs in the upper 40s to 50s.  By Wednesday the GFS is advertising a warmer day with a front arriving late.  If this is the case highs well into the 60s look possible at this moment.

These quick moving fronts will be our main forecast challenges the next 3-5 days.  With little to no moisture to work with I think most of these fronts should move through dry.  

Finally we always mention that severe weather can occur anywhere at anytime of year.  Very early Saturday morning deadly tornadoes moved thru North Carolina killing 2 people.  Here is the preliminary NWS storm survey from one of the 7 tornadoes that was reported.  This was an EF-3 tornado.

...TORNADO SURVEY OF EF-3 TORNADO NEAR WILSON AND ELM CITY IN WILSON
COUNTY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE...IN CONJUNCTION WITH WILSON COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES AND WILSON FIRE AND RESCUE...DETERMINED THAT AN EF-3 TORNADO OCCURRED IN WILSON COUNTY. THE TORNADO OCCURRED ALONG A DISCONTINUOUS...APPROXIMATELY EIGHT-MILE PATH THAT BEGAN WITH
MINOR ROOF DAMAGE TO A DWELLING AND A SNAPPED TREE ALONG HARRISON DRIVE JUST SOUTH OF WARD BOULEVARD. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE WAS THEN NOTED TO THE NORTHEAST...ALONG LONDON CHURCH ROAD...SOUTH OF ROUTE 1330.

ON LONDON CHURCH ROAD...ONE HOME WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED AND SWEPT OFF OF ITS FOUNDATION. BASED ON EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS AND THE DAMAGE...FIRE AND RESCUE ESTIMATE THE HOME ROLLED AS MANY AS FOUR TIMES. IN THIS HOME...THERE WAS UNFORTUNATELY ONE FATALITY AND TWO INJURIES.

ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS HOME TO THE NORTHEAST...THE UPPER
PORTION OF A HOME WAS DESTROYED...AND ANOTHER HOME HAD A ROOF COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY WITH TREES ON TOP OF IT. IN THIS LATTER HOME...EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS NOTED THERE WERE TWO MORE INJURIES...CONDITIONS UNKNOWN. OTHER EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS SUGGESTED THERE WAS LITTLE NOISE WITH THE EVENT UNTIL THE TORNADO STRUCK. SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS WERE AWAKE FOR VARIOUS REASONS AROUND 330 AM...AND IT WAS JUST A FEW MINUTES AFTER THIS WHEN THE TORNADO STRUCK THE LONDON CHURCH ROAD AREA...ESTIMATED TO BE AT 340 AM.

THE TORNADO THEN FOLLOWED A DISCONTINUOUS PATH INTO ELM CITY.
THERE WERE NUMEROUS INDICATIONS OF TREE DAMAGE IN ELM CITY WITH A PORCH ROOF BLOWN OFF...AND OUTBUILDINGS DAMAGED OR TOPPLED.  FINALLY...THE LAST NOTICEABLE DAMAGE WAS OBSERVED ALONG ROUTE 1400...AND JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF HEFNER ROAD AND ROUTE 1402...WHERE SMALL CLUSTERS OF TREES WERE SNAPPED AND OUTBUILDINGS WERE DAMAGED. THE DAMAGE IN AND NORTHEAST OF ELM CITY WAS CONSISTENT WITH EF-0 DAMAGE.

TIME/DATE: ESTIMATED FROM 330 AM TO 345 AM EST, SATURDAY NOVEMBER
15, 2008
PEAK WIND: 140 MPH
PATH LENGTH: APPROXIMATELY 8 MILES DISCONTINUOUS
PATH WIDTH: 100 YARDS
INJURIES: 4 KNOWN
FATALITIES: 1

Thank you for stopping by the weather blog and don't forget you can catch our newscasts weekends from 8-9 a.m. and at 5 & 10 p.m.  Make sure to remind your friends and family to watch the winter forecast on November 24th! 

Jeremy 

Published Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:35 PM by Jeremy WxPlus

Comments

 

DPannell said:

 DPannell said:
Yahoooooooo the flurries missed Miami Co.  The "no snow, no snow" stomp is still working!!!! =))))  Still predicting no measureable snow for Paola until January!
--deb

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Your time is coming:)  This week looks pretty quiet at this point.

Jeremy

November 15, 2008 8:29 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Im thinking that This Year. Instead of Snow. We would get bunch of Freezing rain and Ice.

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What a surprise...you've never made this prediction before.

Jeremy

November 15, 2008 9:23 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Well the Gfs has been consistent in bringing a stormier thanksgiving week but it looks warm right now to be snow but you never know,and I can't wait for the Winter forecast to come out it should be exciting,and please no ice storms.
November 15, 2008 10:39 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

SNOW DANCE! The 26th seems interesting.  48 days. so the cycle is around 45-48 days. Just trying to narrow it down now
November 15, 2008 10:46 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Well, well, well. Look at this!
http://tinyurl.com/642yhd

Scott,Jeremy,anybody what do you think?
November 15, 2008 10:53 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Andrew yep it fits the LRC perfectly I agree.
November 15, 2008 10:58 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

November 15, 2008 11:04 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

It might not be snow,but I'm 89.9% sure that the cycle is around 46 days
November 15, 2008 11:05 PM
 

LRCfan said:

yep Andrew it will be close on the 26th but the cycle of 46 days is dead on good analysis
November 15, 2008 11:14 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

LRCfan,

Thanks, I'm thinking I wasn't the first one to say that it's around 46 days though
November 15, 2008 11:21 PM
 

LRCfan said:

yea there's been alot of people say about 46 it should make for some exciting fun this winter.
November 15, 2008 11:56 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Yah, I think the pattern did setup around September. Just like Scott said
November 15, 2008 11:58 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Yea I really do believe in the LRC but I do believe with Scott about it starting earlier I really cant wait until Gary's winter forecast last year we had an unbelievable winter here in leavenworth hopefully this year we can share that with the folks down south.
November 16, 2008 12:42 AM
 

juba said:

Very heavy frost this morning, looked like a 1/2" of snow blown around on the roofs at first and a dusting in the grass!Yesterday my lawn was deep green now that green is mixed with browns and yellows. :-( Bye bye plant life.
November 16, 2008 7:21 AM
 

juba said:

If you want lots of snow on the mainland, go to Blue Canyon California.


Place                             State                       Snow in iches
1 Blue Canyon                California                 240.8
2 Marquette                   Michigan                 128.6
3 Sault Ste.                    Marie Michigan        116.7
4 Syracuse                     New York                111.6
5 Caribou                       Maine                     110.4
6 Mount Shata                California                104.9
7  Lander                       Wyoming                 102.5
8 Flagstaff                      Arizona                   99.9
9 Sexton Summit            Oregon                    97.8
10  Muskegon                 Michigan                  97.0
November 16, 2008 7:44 AM
 

NicoleWasHere said:

Is it too early to assume Mother Nature has schitzophrenia?
November 16, 2008 12:46 PM
 

chfs327 said:

no
November 16, 2008 1:08 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

While it seems the cycle duration is set, I am not one to 100% commit to it yet.  In too many hours to count, it seems there is still quite a bit of variability to it based on current thinking.  There is far more to the LRC than just the actual cycle duration.

I believe much as been learned this year and much more is needed to analyze and research.  Could there be an earlier start time?  When does it end?  Where are the long waves?  How does it all form, and why?  And most importantly, even when defined, how is it best applied to long/short range forecasting?

The LRC is evolving right in front of our eyes.

Analysis continues, and there is more to come very soon...
November 16, 2008 1:34 PM
 

RockportHarbor said:

Do you think it'll turn way colder like it usually does around Thanksgiving time?  It always seems to be cold and/or snowy around that time and I wish we could bid goodbye the the 60's for good!  

I know, I'm crazy....
November 16, 2008 2:47 PM
 

weather export said:

Jeremy

That is a sad story to here that the east cost got hit badly, i was watching it all on television yesturday as i came home from a game, I hope no one else got hurt or at least injured during the devistating severe weather that was going on in north carolina.

Brad
November 16, 2008 2:57 PM
 

rstull said:

Temperature are in the mid to upper 60's across much of central and western Kansas.

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We may get a taste of that by Wednesday.

Jeremy

November 16, 2008 3:22 PM
 

weather export said:

Jeremy,


I was wondering if you could check the forecast for orlando florida for me. It turns out that i will be going down there for the thanksgiving holiday. Can you please check the forcast for me.

brad
November 16, 2008 3:28 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

why wouldnt you just google orlando weather?

November 16, 2008 3:38 PM
 

weather export said:

KansasPatriot,

I really don't trust search engines or national weather websites. So that is why i don't google or look up weather for any kind of state or city.

brad
November 16, 2008 4:32 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

weather export:
There are plenty of resources out there for you to look on your own, for example:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mlb/
http://www.wunderground.com/
http://www.weather.com/ (although I don't recommend it)
http://www.intellicast.com/

and that is just a few. But you have to keep in mind that Thanksgiving is well over a week away, and there are not going to be many forecasts for that time period yet, and any that are out there, will not be very reliable.

David
November 16, 2008 4:45 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

weather export:
Sorry, didn't see your second post, do you mean to say that you don't even trust the National Weather Service? That would be the first place I would go to check out a forecast for another city.
November 16, 2008 4:53 PM
 

DPannell said:

Perfectly Awesome day...well maybe if it was 90+ degrees it would have been perfect but for November in Kansas, I'll take 60s anyday!  I spent the entire day outside, weatherizing, running the dogs, clearing flower beds...just about any excuse I could find to be outdoors.  I hope the temperatures hold and especially no precipitation.  "no snow, no snow" ;)  
--deb

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Deb,

The weather was great today for mid November.  I think you'll really like Wednesday.  Highs well into the 60s.  Maybe some 70s in Kansas? 

Jeremy

November 16, 2008 5:21 PM
 

snoman said:

Weather Team;
I was looking at the long range gfs.(i know its not very accurate past 3 days) but it seems to show a pattern where as we will stay rather mild and dry for the rest of this month and into december,while the eastern part of the country looks to be cool and very wet. I hope this isnt how this years lrc pans out. Especially for us snow lovers.

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Look back at last November...I think we went over 20 days without precipitation.  Last winter then turned out to be colder than average with above average snow.  Don't just the winter just yet.

Jeremy

November 16, 2008 7:45 PM
 

bellgolfMU12 said:

Dwxtracker,

Nicely said. There is no way to forecast exactly what will happen for any city on thanksgiving. Its just to far out with too many variable, hints why i love studying meteorology at MIZZZOU Right now the models could say 60's and sun where as on Tuesday the models may say a foot of snow. Just no clear cut way to forecast that long range yet. Especially lately i noticed that the long range models are all over the place. I would guess to say the weather team also has noticed this.

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The longer range models are typically all over the place.  One little error in the data a day or two out can compound when the model then tries to predict day 10 or more.  The errors by models are more noticable in the Fall and Spring.

Jeremy

November 16, 2008 7:59 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

"The longer range models are typically all over the place.  One little error in the data a day or two out can compound when the model then tries to predict day 10 or more.  The errors by models are more noticable in the Fall and Spring."

All the better reason to look to the NBC Action News Weather team for the best short range and long range forecasting utilizing the LRC.

;-)
November 16, 2008 8:27 PM
 

LRCfan said:

I think it will turn more active toward the end of this month and beginning of next month,in fact it is active right now with our temperatures up and down welcome to the roller coaster ride enjoy it!!!!!!!
November 16, 2008 8:40 PM
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