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Thanksgiving 'Forecast'...Sunday Snow?

I had this Thanksgiving 'weather' poem sent to me years ago.  Not sure who originally came up with this...enjoy!

Thanksgiving forecast: Turkeys thaw in morning, warm in oven in
afternoon. Kitchen turns hot and humid. If you bother the cook, be
ready for a severe squall or cold shoulder. Friday and Saturday:
high pressure to eat sandwiches. Flurries of leftovers, turning to
soup Sunday.

 

I hope everyone is having a great Thanksgiving!  Weather conditions really could not have been much better for everyone traveling across the area today and on Wednesday.  The high of 56 degrees today made this the 28th warmest Thanksgiving on record.  Nothing to write home about, but it was 10 degrees above average.

The main focus moving forward the rest of this weekend will be the ULL over the Southwest U.S. and also some energy diving in from the northern Rockies.  Most of the energy with the shortwave in the Southwest will stay south of the area, but a small piece of the wave could bring us some sprinkles or light showers late Friday into early Saturday.  There may even be some sleet, graupel, or a mix with this light area of precipitation.

Here is the 500mb map from the 18Z GFS showing the Southwest ULL #1 and the energy diving in from the northern Rockies #2.

 

In order to get more than just flurries we would need these systems to phase or come together very near or even a little west of Kansas City.  This will not be the case this time around.  Look at the 500mb flow just 12 hours after the map above.

Notice the vort max just west of Kansas City and the vort max near the western Gulf Coast.  They are about to form into a storm, but very likely not in time for Kansas City.

Now here is the 500mb chart for 12 hours after the map above.  A storm is finally forming, but well east of the area.  We will likely just see flurries and snow showers from this storm.  At this point trace amounts to maybe a dusting if it snowed hard enough for a brief time.  But even the chance of a dusting seems pretty slim right now.  If this changes we will let you know first.

 

Hopefully this helps everyone understand where the energy is coming from and where it will likely form into a storm by Sunday.  If you have travel plans in the Ohio Valley, Southeast, or in the mid-Atlantic on Sunday keep this storm in mind.

After this storm clears by we'll see another cold day on Monday with highs in the 30s, but then downsloping winds quickly warm us into the middle to upper 50s on Tuesday.  If the timing is perfect and there is sun all day 60 would be possible.

That's it for today.  Make sure to stop back this weekend, we will keep you posted the next several days.  Thank you to everyone who tuned in to see the winter forecast on air and on the internet this week.  The response has been huge!

Jeremy

Published Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:54 PM by Jeremy WxPlus

Comments

 

Ipushsnow said:

Any updates on Sunday,s snow chance?

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Not much has changed.

Jeremy

November 27, 2008 7:21 PM
 

chiefsfan said:

  Hello Jeremy: I know it's early, but do you think on Sunday, that with the snow showers, we'll see the ground turn white, or do you think it will be slim amounts? Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!

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I updated the blog...your answer is in there.  Happy Thanksgiving!

Jeremy

November 27, 2008 7:44 PM
 

Ipushsnow said:

Thanks Jermey , I watch at 10 and keep an eye on the blog. Pretty quiet on here tonite,the turkey must be making everyone sleepy :)
November 27, 2008 8:08 PM
 

bewild79 said:

YES IT HAS!!! LOL
November 27, 2008 9:10 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Alot of Virga on the radar out west
November 27, 2008 9:23 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Blah and more blah..good job, Jeremy with coming up with something remotely interesting.  More than I can muster today.

I like the trends long range, but I guess that should be no surprise.  ;-)

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Wonder if these are related:)

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/images/gfs_500_078s.gif

and

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/dailywxmap/dwm_500ht_20081008.html

Interesting...

November 27, 2008 9:29 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

Happy thanksgiving everybody I still have a few hours left.

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You still have 3 days left in the holiday weekend...enjoy!

Jeremy

November 27, 2008 9:39 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

It appers the latest NAM/GFS are trending a little more west for the development of the precip for Sunday or is that just my eyes playing tricks?

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It was a little more favorable for snow.  Still looks like a dusting in some areas?  If the trend continues maybe more:)

Jeremy

November 27, 2008 9:50 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

MT thinks it's going to rain tomorrow, Jeremy do you think the atmosphere can become moist tomorrow?

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Andrew,

All day long I've mentioned a chance of sprinkles or a light shower on Friday.  Probably in the afternoon/evening time frame.  I think it is still a little dry in the morning.

Jeremy

November 27, 2008 9:57 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Go Snow, Go Snow, Go Snow! GGGOOOO SSSNNNOOOWWW!!

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Remember over the past 4-5 days there have been snowy solution, no snow solutions, and somewhere in between.  I'm sure it will change again, but at least there is still snow in the forecast.

Jeremy

November 27, 2008 10:13 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Well MT wasn't think light showers it sounded like

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Remember Andrew, one of our only rules for the blog is to not mention the competition by name.  Just say the "other guys" or something like that, or don't mention it at all. 

Gary

November 28, 2008 12:07 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

KICT did report Light Rain@ 23:55 CST
November 28, 2008 12:14 AM
 

weathermom said:

how are the models looking this morning?

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Jeremy will update the blog this afternoon. We are still analyzing the data and will have more soon.  There is a chance of snow/rain on Saturday and snow showers Sunday.  Look back in around 3 PM.

Gary

November 28, 2008 8:08 AM
 

bewild79 said:

I was wondering too but I was not sure if anyone had come out of their thanksgiving induced coma...lol
November 28, 2008 8:15 AM
 

bewild79 said:

this is some slow posting this morning...is it just my computer?
November 28, 2008 8:21 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Is there any chance that the snow could end up being more than a dusting?
November 28, 2008 9:08 AM
 

juba said:

Light "mix" of sleet and rain showers around JoCo Airport. (Mostly sleet)
November 28, 2008 9:10 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

"Wonder if these are related:)"

Jeremy...I wonder.  LOL
November 28, 2008 9:16 AM
 

chiefsfan said:

Good Morning:    With the snow showers on Sunday, you say a dusting, would that be everywhere or grassy suface's, would it melt quickly
November 28, 2008 9:20 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

I have to decide for sure really, really soon whether or not we are traveling up to Lincoln today and coming back on Sunday.  I know Gary said that we should check back by 3:00 for an update, but that will be too late.  

Jeremy, anyone, can you please give me an idea of what you are NOW thinking for Sunday?  Also, is the Nebraska/Iowa border area weather going to be about the same as ours?

I can drive in flurries and a light dusting, especially if its mainly a grassy area thing. I just dont want to risk my 2 year old, or myself.

Please, can you give me an idea?????
November 28, 2008 9:47 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Well, if you are not  working today, I am jealous.  It doesn't look like many questions will be answered untill this afternoon so I probably wont be in here long.  Everyone that is off, enjoy your day, and the rest of us will be counting the hours until the work day is done
November 28, 2008 10:05 AM
 

Adam Penney said:

Emmysmom,

This does not look like a heavy snow event whatsoever. If you were traveling a week later, i might be concerened as far as potential goes.

In fact, the farther North and West you travel this weekend the better off you will be. I will suprised if we get anything more than a possible dusting from this storm.
November 28, 2008 10:43 AM
 

hippygoth said:

Just looked outside, we've had nothing over by 63rd & Shawnee Mission Parkway, but we do have some wicked looking cloud bands out there. I'm sure there's a proper name for them...

H.
November 28, 2008 10:53 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

Thanks, Adam.  But now you've said something else to worry me.  My family is coming DOWN from Lincoln next weekend for my daughter's birthday party, and now I'll spend the rest of the week fretting about your comment about being concerned if it were a week later : )
November 28, 2008 10:54 AM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Emmysmom this is not a bad winter event you will be fine.  If it were there would be a lot more hype about what may happen this weekend.
November 28, 2008 10:55 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Emmysmom, you are fine this weekend.  Probably will be ok for next, but keep watching as things get closer.

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Scott,

I love it when you are so confident, but things change fast.  Remember last year on December 1st?  We were saying it would warm up to 65 degrees at midnight and you said no way.  55 at the most, or something like that.  Well, it was 63 or 65 by midnight.  Forecasting the weather 12 to 24 hours out is difficult when you are talking about possible stormy weather. So, be careful on such high confidence.

:)  Gary

November 28, 2008 11:11 AM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Well, I take Kevin back to the airport Sunday. AT least I know it won't be the horrible storm we dealt with last Christmas when he flew into KCI from Dallas (or should I said TRIED to fly in as his plane was delayed 6 hours or more). His flight leaves at 1555 so hopefully we don't have much problem going up to the airport from Shawnee and back home again.

I am glad I have all my shopping done after reading about the guy killed at Walmart in NY from being trampled. I almost shop online and have been pretty much done since Nov 1st.

November 28, 2008 11:33 AM
 

weathermom said:

has new data came in. if so, what is it saying
November 28, 2008 12:30 PM
 

4caster said:

Since I see that Gary is watching, I'll chime in...
38 Days, gentleman!!!
Looking at the trends and the "potential" future runs, I am more comfortable with 38 days.  There's just one problem...WHERE'S THE STORM???
There should have been a storm today and tomorrow bringing some big precip with it.  Where is it?  The other bad thing is that after this system should be about a 10-12 day of calm and tranquil, with above normal temps.  
For reference, I am comparing today's synoptic to October 19th.
Your thoughts, please.
BAClair
November 28, 2008 12:39 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Gary - me thinks someone didn't get enough turkey.  LOL.  What's a few degrees amongst friends?  Ha.  I did end my recent comment with...

"but keep watching as things get closer."

4caster, I am going to look at your thoughts this weekend...I want to do the same trends.  I think I remember you talking about OKC as well?

November 28, 2008 1:19 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Anyone think it will be more than a dusting?
November 28, 2008 2:29 PM
 

LibertyB said:

G'day everyone. Does anyone know how long it's been since there's been any kind of percipitation around Liberty? It seems like it's been a month. Really looking forward to even some snowflakes.
November 28, 2008 2:38 PM
 

bewild79 said:

It's 3 I am ready for an update!  =)

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I'm all by myself today.  I'll do my best to update things after the GFS comes out.  The quick update is a mix on Saturday, snow showers Sunday with maybe a dusting.  Could be a little more in central Missouri.  It's close though!

Jeremy

November 28, 2008 2:51 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Thanks Jeremy....I don't like the snow when I have to drive in it but my 5 year old is anxious to see more than just flurries!  I will be waiting anxiously for the update. I am at work and don't have my links to look at maps.  Thanks for all you do and hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
Becky
November 28, 2008 3:14 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Here is what I think: travel will be FINE.  You the roads wont be cold enough to retain snow in frozen form especially with all the traffic on the weekend.  If it WAS that could say 28 for the high? Then you would need a steady snowfall to pile up and make it dangerous which is nothing what is coming.

The forecast on what WILL happen is not going to be most accurate until the 10pm forecast, and much better in the AM Saturday.  Some here are really worried about travel, and I feel bad for them when we do have snow that is measureable because of how they feel over a possible dusting.

Everything will be good for driving. I am driving to Lawrence this weekend and have not one single worry about a few flakes.
November 28, 2008 3:46 PM
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