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A storm approaches....December 8, 2008

Good morning bloggers,

NBC Action News Meteorologist Jeremy Nelson from Saturday, "If the model trends continue in the direction they are currently at, this buzz may become a roar by the end of the weekend".  Well, what happened?  The model trends went the other way!   And meteorologist Jeff Penner goes into something that is worse than "modelitis" on www.LRCWeather.com. Let's go over this early week storm:

There are several somewhat disorganized parts to the storm heading our way.  Part #1 is a wave of energy being ejected out from the southwest.  This disturbance will pass by us overnight and be past Kansas City by Tuesday morning.  Part #2 is the evolution of a middle of the nation trough, but as you can see below it is forecast to be positively tilted (tilted from northeast to southwest):

These maps are from the 06z GFS run.  There is still a disturbance trying to separate and be its own entity, which is hard to do in a positively tilted trough.  I pointed the arrow to the big X or vorticity maximum forecast by this model run to be over Oklahoma later tomorrow.  But, because the trough is so positively tilted look at what it does to the other levels of the atmosphere.  I am using the 850 mb flow to show the problem for our snow producing potential.  Notice, below, that even this 850 mb trough is positively tilted.  You can see this by the kinks in the lines stretching from Michigan to St. Louis to southern Arkansas.  The flow is forecast to be north with temperatures cold enough to snow, but this is not a good flow for lifting and snow producing potential.  Now, if the upper levels can be a bit more organized, then this level will also be better organized.  This is not the trend though.

What does this all mean?  Rain is likely tonight as the first disturbance tracks across the region, then it will be cold enough for snow on Tuesday aftenoon.  There continues to be the question on whether there will still be any organization left to this storm where snow can be generated later tomorrow.  We are going to go with up to around 1 inch of snow, and then as the new data comes in we will update this forecast later today.  There is always the potential for this to organize a bit better and we could end up with more snow, and of course the other thing could happen and the snowflake contest may continue beyond Tuesday. 

Let's look ahead to the end of the week.  The ECMWF has been much more aggressive with blasting us with an Arctic air mass later this week.  The GFS has been tame in bringing the Arctic air south.  Look below at the GFS forecast valid at 6 PM this coming Saturday:

This GFS forecast is showing an Arctic front stalling and perhaps barely sagging south across Nebraska.  It will be difficult for the front to stall as the Arctic air mass is growing in size and strength.  We will talk more about this as the week progresses and on our newscasts today and tonight.

 

 

Gary

Published Monday, December 08, 2008 5:38 AM by glezak

Comments

 

f00dl3 said:

This does happen alot.... doesn't it? Storms advertised as heavy snowmakers 48 hours, even 36 hours out - end up turning into all rain events with barely any snow at all.
December 8, 2008 5:59 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:

Good mild early December morning to you sir!! This is a double blog (Darn Get Smart syndrome!! LOL) Sorry aboutt that!! Curently sitting at 42 degrees this morning under clear skies-very nice out this morning for sure!! On satelite this morning you can see the strom trying to get organized-I think!!

Ok-I admit it, I am a fool-I am still holding out a slim buit of hope that this system evolves just a bit different than what the models are showing-foolish for sure but I am always one to grasp at a few straws!!! My reasons are even more foolish, but I will kind of throw them out there anyways:

1. 9 out of 10 times these types of systems do exactly what the models are depicting at the moment-it is tough for us to get good snow when we don't have cold air in place already. However, there is that one in 10 times that the cold air gets here quicker and the strom intensifies a bit more than the guidance suggested. A great example was the thunder snow event last December here in Lawrence. I just think this still needs to be watched some what.

2. There is cold air to the North-it is not in the best location-more in Minnesota but there are some teens and single digits in Central North Dakota back into Southern Sasch. So the storm does have some cold air to work with if it can get it down here. I also wonder if this temp. gradient may not intensify things a bit more than the models show at the moment. I just wonder if that first wave may tap into some colder air and thus the second wave acts a bit different than the models are showing at the moment.

3. The wind shift line is already into Western Kansas and through the Nebraska Pan Handle-it will be interesting to watch this today. It will also be interesting to watch just how far North this warmer air actually goes-it looks like it is done progressing North but something also to watch-if it continues North....

4. Big limb here as I am still trying to get my hands around the pattern this year: this storm ( I think this is the October 23rd storm) was a bit stronger in October and I just wonder if maybe the models are still a bit off.

5. I am a Snow Lover and will always hold out hope till the very end no matter how much data is staring me in the face LOL!!!! It aint over till its over!!

All this being said in the end, this is still a weather maker-we need the rain/moisture bad so it is welcome no matter what form it may fall. Still for me, while I would love a good snow, the most important thing is that the storm is here right on schedule just as the LRC said it would be-that rocks!!!

Well, this will be fun to watch unfold-as far as next week-man you talk about varying model solutions over the next few days-they will be spitting all kinds of stuff out on when to eject that energy out of the SW-thank goodness for the LRC!!

Have a great day and as always thanks for reading!!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Bill,

You sound like you have a little weather depression.  Go to the LRC blog as Jeff has a remedy for it, but not one I recommend.

This is somewhat related to the October 22nd storm, but it has a few issues. Let's hope these issues resolve themselves in the next 24 hours.

Gary

December 8, 2008 6:02 AM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

I think everyone who went on and on about this being a large snow maker is amusing. The folks here at NBC never said that it was going to be a large snow maker. As a matter of fact they have always said that the contest MAY end today. They have even gone so far as to say that it will prob. end today. Remember, that is one inch of snow. That is all, not 6" or 8", just one lonely inch of the white stuff. So this storm is doing exactly what our intreped weather forecasters said it would do. By the way, NOAA has us (metro, Lee's Summit, etc) at less than an inch of snow accumulation as of this morning.
Audra

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Audra,

Thanks for reminding everyone.  At the same time this blog is a great place for everyone to express their opinion in this comments section.  Our forecast is done in our blog entries, and on NBC Action News.  We may be able to expand our thoughts here a bit more as well.  So, you made a good point as Jeremy, Brett, Jeff and I have been very consistent on what this storms potential really is.  Now we are with 24 hours so let's see what the new data looks like.

Have a great day!

Gary

December 8, 2008 6:19 AM
 

FlakeFan said:

Wow 56 degrees, I can't believe it will be near freezing all night, if only the low would go south.

46 degrees at JoCo Ex Airport.
December 8, 2008 6:20 AM
 

boootz said:

Bill, I love reading your entries, clear concise and in my kinda language. I am like you, I read all the info, watch all the signs and then I hope against hope, everyone who knows anything is wrong. Do I want snow, well no not really, but if it has to happen might as well make it an exciting one. I am good with whatever we get as long as it is moisture, although the prospect of any ice terrifies me.
Here is hoping our wishes come true.
December 8, 2008 6:24 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

nobody cares what you think weatherfreak

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This isn't very nice!  As I said to weatherfreak, this is a great place for all of us to express ourselves.  When a storm is coming the weather enthusiast gets very emotional on the ups and downs of the potential storm. So, let's all get along and allow free speech.  There is no reason at all for any of us to get mad at one another in the blog.  This is the time of year it begins to happen, so let's all follow the rules and be nice!

Gary

December 8, 2008 6:41 AM
 

bewild79 said:

teamster,
that was kinda harsh
December 8, 2008 7:00 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

The snow part of the storm is still about 24hrs out.  Things can still change. Maybe.
December 8, 2008 7:01 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Snow flake contest ends Tuesday! I say 1.5".
December 8, 2008 7:04 AM
 

bewild79 said:

well from what i think i saw, the NAM was saying that the snow would start at 33 hrs from now (or maybe a little sooner)  wouldnt that put the snow starting at like 4AM?

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33 hours from now?  That would be 9 hours past 24 hours or around 4 PM not 4 AM.  But, it depends on which model you are talking about.  Let's just wait until the new data comes out.

Gary

December 8, 2008 7:07 AM
 

W0XDL said:

I agree with bootz...Bill, I like to read your blog comments.  I'm hoping against hope too for the snow.  

Fingers crossed:)

DL
December 8, 2008 7:11 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I have been reading the entries all weekend and I am glad that I did not get excited over this snow potential!! I wanted to be a believer that far out but with snow it is a fine line. Good luck with figuring this all out....I will get excited when I actually see snow falling down here. I hope all this acitivty north of I-70 and east is not the trend for the winter....AGAIN!!! I need at least one good snow fall this season for my youngest to enjoy...she was just a baby last time it happened. Have a great day.
Monica
Pleasanton

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Monica,

You have a lot of people on your side.  Hopefully this one will turn the corner, but there will be many other chances.

Gary

December 8, 2008 7:52 AM
 

95rred said:

Have we ever had a system approach us that did not look good and then all of a sudden everything comes together for more than we thought. It seems like it is always the other way. Something exciting may be headed our way then poof nothing happens . Its getting old!

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It happens the other way too, but this one is going to be stubborn.

Gary

December 8, 2008 7:57 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:

LOL!!-To be honest I'm not too down about this as has been said, the team has stated from the beginning it was going to be tough to get a big snow from this. This is a tough scenario climotogically speaking for us to get a decent snow-they happen of course but this is not the best set up for sure in my very humble hobbyist opinion. Nevertheless, I always hold out hope that each time  we get a decent snow when there is a chance-i can't help it-it is in my blood LOL-but I have tried to learn over the years to keep my "snow freakishness" in check due to where we live.

I am kind of like Achellies trying to get up the river bank with this storm but I just love to follow these things and hope to always learn a little more!!! I just think that there is still a chance no matter how slim that this could become some what interesitng. This is related to the 23rd of October in my mind-I think?? (would be inetresting to go back and see how the models handeled that storm) and there is cold air available. I'm kind of like the 5 Man Electrical Band but instead of signs, signs everywhere a sign I'm straws, straws, everywhere a straw.....LOL But in the end, for me it just rocks that the storm is here as the LRC said and we need mositure so anything will be quite welcome!!

My real weather time blues was in January 2004 when the models for days had us in the 14-16 inch bulls-eye all the way until 6 hours before the event-we were set-it was 2 below 7 hours before the onset of precip. but by the time the precip started we had risen to 29 had some sleet then warmed to 35 and it would up being mostly rain-that one was hard to take!!! But as always things balanced out-4 days later a storm intensified and we would up with like 5-6 inches when it looked like we were going to get a dusting if that. I don't even want to mention December of 2006 when Baldwin got 10 inches and me 8 miles away got one flurry-I stil have satelite images of that!!!

Man-I did it again-I went on and on!! I loved Jeff's Blog this morning and you are right 100%-a great wrokout will do wonders for you!!!! Excellent advice!!!

Have a great day sir and thanks as always for all of the comments and encouragement and opportunites to learn!!

Bill-student's are at the gates in Lawrence


December 8, 2008 8:01 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Gary,
If it does snow would you be able to put an earliest time that it could possibly snow? I have to do snow removal and was wondering if the change over would be tonight some time or in the afternoon tomorrow. Just maybe a general window time frame. Also, just wondering what the thoughts were before the storm in October that this is related to. Was it also being thought of in this way. Being positivly tilted? Or thought not to rain much? Thank you very much! Your time is much appreciated.
December 8, 2008 8:02 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

i wish so rred. I think this system has done gave us everything she has to give. like i posted in the earlier section. This town blows of epic porportions, crappy sports teams, never have any good snows anymore, jobs leaving the kansas City area, ther is just nothing good about here
December 8, 2008 8:08 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

the other guys said 3/10of a inch pathetic
December 8, 2008 8:10 AM
 

Fire Dog said:

I dont like the way the NAM is looking.
December 8, 2008 8:12 AM
 

f00dl3 said:

So when we get into "true" winter later here in December and in January, are we still going to have issues with the actual "storms" in the LRC pattern being based from the tropical pacific and bringing warm air?

All I'm seeing this years pattern provide so far are pacific storms that merge with northern stream storms (with the warm pacific part winning), and some "hi & bye!" northern clippers giving us a few flurries.

The storm system this weekend better be pretty darn good, because if I remember right, after those 2 storm systems moved through in late October, it quieted down pretty quickly.

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Not really! There was a 25 day stretch with quite a few systems moving in and out and all around us.  We believe it will all come together a few times. 

Gary

December 8, 2008 8:14 AM
 

boootz said:

Teamster, WOW, your a bundle of chipper thoughts today. Kansas City is a great place to live. If you don't like the weather hang around 24 hours, it is bound to change, jobs are leaving every part of the country, our sports teams are rebuilding, and last year I had over 40" of snow......Try the glass half full option,  smiling causes less wrinkles....:}
December 8, 2008 8:18 AM
 

frigate said:

Well, as I'm no expert by in means...and I know its still eary (not even officially winter yet) but it sure seams like this years LRC would indicate some concern for snow lovers. The pattern seems to be showing snow staying north of the KC Metro area. Gary, any possibility of making any changes or twinks to your previous winter forcast?

Jeff

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Jeff,

No, not making any changes at the moment.  We are still learning what this pattern is capable of and we will learn a lot more within 10 days. 

Gary

December 8, 2008 8:28 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

yea rebuilding you must be a carl peterson supporter. They been rebuilding for i dont know.how long just like the royals  how long has it been since we made the playofffs in baseball.  excluding two years ago when the cheifs basically got lucky and made the playoffs just to get creamed in the first round like we usually do. and there might 2-11 record give me a break!!!!!
December 8, 2008 8:37 AM
 

4caster said:

Gary,
In reference to your arctic blast at the end of the week.  Once again, I am trying to match previous events to current trends with everyone's modified time frames.  As you have said time and time again, a few weeks into the new pattern really reveals the true characteristics of said pattern.  Such is my case; the 38 day looked really good last week, then a few days passed and things looked a little clearer.  48 days is now a good time frame based on the past two weeks, don't you think?  If that is the case, then hang on...
This time frame coming up later this week was the same weather experienced around Halloween.  For us, at least, it was very mild (10-15 above normal) and dry.  That would translate into 40-50 for next weekend into next week.  So, even though the arctic mass is building and gaining strength, if we are to use the LRC to chart out trends, we have to concede that there was no cold shot in previous times.  
I'm not trying to be a huge stick in the mud about this, because I want this system to work as badly as anyone else.  But in order to be 100% confident and realistic about it, we have to work out these issues, regardless of what the models tell us.  And we have to use more than one segment of the atmosphere for part of the output.  The 500 is great for storm cyclogenesis, but temp trends and precip do play a large factor in this.
December 8, 2008 8:38 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Is the rain out west starting a bit early?
December 8, 2008 8:49 AM
 

boootz said:

Teamster, hate to darken your already dreay day, but I am not really a supporter of football period, I am however a huge supporter of positive input is positive output...as opposed to negativity Maybe you just need a hug!!
December 8, 2008 8:55 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

and mr/mrs sunshine whats so great about today?
December 8, 2008 9:02 AM
 

boootz said:

Its Mrs. and any day you wake up, is a good day, and beats the alternative...
December 8, 2008 9:12 AM
 

ths3900 said:

I Gary,
When you just don't have enough snow, get everyone to use this at their homes.

http://www.snowathome.com/

Tim
December 8, 2008 9:16 AM
 

marlina10 said:

Just what is it about Kansas that makes it hard for us to get decent snows?
December 8, 2008 9:17 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

lol a snow maker wonder how those work. The way things are around here might be worth while purchase
December 8, 2008 9:38 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I think I will need to get a snowmaker!
December 8, 2008 9:47 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

The New GFS is still being cruddy :(
December 8, 2008 9:50 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

hey andrew when does the next data com out so we can be told its gonna be 70 degrees and sunny.
December 8, 2008 9:51 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Right now, and I hate 70s, I love 20s,10s,0s, -5s,etc
December 8, 2008 10:01 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Both storm systems are on crash course toward each other:

http://tinyurl.com/5ka5on
December 8, 2008 10:02 AM
 

EdRoberts said:

@4caster
I'm not ENTIRELY sure that the storm moving through today/tomorrow is actually a reflection of the large upper-level low of October 22-24. While a couple of the lead waves are very similar to that event, it's possible that we won't see the real reflection until next weekend into early next week. If that IS the case, it would be Christmas week that would be warm.
The evolution of the storms the next week or so will be very telling with regards to how this pattern is cycling.

December 8, 2008 10:07 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

Wow, teamster, you are just a ray of sunshine!! : )
December 8, 2008 10:11 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

didnt ask u emmy but thanks
December 8, 2008 10:25 AM
 

bewild79 said:

I am not going to be able to watch the forcast at 11 can someone please update me when it comes out?  Is there any hope of the forcast going back to what it was before? (alot of snow)
thanks
Becky
December 8, 2008 10:30 AM
 

bewild79 said:

keep smiling and stay in a good mood.....dont want to bring anyone down =)
December 8, 2008 10:30 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

lol snow whats that
December 8, 2008 10:33 AM
 

lezakEF5 said:

I figured this was going to happen. The models would lead us to getting a big snow storm, and then change. Well that was a nice "fantasy" storm.

It all good, just hope the LRC brings us a white Christmas.

Alex
December 8, 2008 10:33 AM
 

bewild79 said:

yea teamster, we seem to have issues of that actually falling from the sky and staying around huh? lol
December 8, 2008 10:41 AM
 

Adam Penney said:

Andrew,

All be it not much better, I am of the opinion that the 12Z runs of the NAM and GFS are a little better than lasts nights runs concerning snowfall potential.

Not much better though...
December 8, 2008 10:43 AM
 

DPannell said:

I know it's easy for me to look on the bright side right now as I do not care for snow or precipitation of any kind for that matter.  However, it is the Christmas Season and there are still lots of things to be thankful for all you have to do is look around and I'm sure you'll find something.  For me, I'm thankful for friends, family and a warm place to live.  Snow will come it just might not be as soon as you all hope for, for me...still holding out for Jan. to be our first measurable snow...fingers and toes crossed ;).  Have a great day!
December 8, 2008 10:48 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

yea its been just a great x-mas season losing your job like i did one week ago today. No big snowstorms to watch and oberserve.


bailing out companies that did bad business pratices but we award them with our tax dollars
December 8, 2008 10:58 AM
 

nicknack said:

My thoughts...
I've had a hard time coming to grips with what the length of the cycle is.  There have been storms on or around the days of Nov. 28th, Dec. 3rd and hopefully Dec. 13th that worked with my 44 days so I have been reluctant to change to a 55 day cycle.  However the strength of the storms have not measured up to what I expected from their counter parts in October.  I've tried to focus on the precipitation charts found on http://water.weather.gov/
Counting days, looking at how the storm formed and so on.  Purely in hopes to predict the unpredictable.  The LRC gives you that long term hope it can be predicted, not just throwing at the bullseye and missing and saying good enough.

However, if looking at the numbers now and going with the approx. 55 day cycle that would lead us to believe:
The Oct 7th-8th system would be tied with Nov. 28th-29th (52 days)

The Dec. 9th storm would have to be tied with the Oct. 14-16th - Oct 17-18 system and that would be 55 days.  This storm also came with 2 waves of precip.  Which this system is going to do.

Oct. 22nd-25th system will show up Dec. 16th (subtract a day to the cycle for each day if it is early)
This would also tell me that Sept. is not related to the count for the cycle because the larger event in Sept occured Sept. 11th-14th which was only 41 days.

The new question is there was a long break between the Oct. 22nd storm and the next chance for precip. in Nov.  Telling us after the Dec. 16th storm it will be around Dec. 30 before it snows again.  The GFS looks to be have a system coming in right on que.  If the contest does not end tomorrow it will definately have a chance to be over between Dec. 16th-18th.  But when will the cold air take over?
December 8, 2008 11:11 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

When might we have a new update on tomorrow?  
I am never one to cheer on snow.  EVER!  But since I'm taking the day off tomorrow, and it's the first year my daughter has been old enough to actually care about snow, I'd like around an inch or so.  : )
December 8, 2008 11:15 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

the new forcast is 8/10 of a inch of snow how depressing atleast thats what brett said
December 8, 2008 11:23 AM
 

Adam Penney said:

12Z GFS gives the metro 2-3 inches of snow...


http://wxcaster.com/gis-gfs-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=EAX


Thats better than nothing....
December 8, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

Thanks, Teamster. I actually am kind of sad this time...but at 3 years old, I'm sure my daughter will be excited by anything she sees falling!
(As a side note, teamster, I honestly didn't mean anything bad by my earlier "ray of sunshine" comment, that's why I had the smiley.)
December 8, 2008 11:30 AM
 

kane1970 said:

You have officially been ignored! Move on!
Now onto WEATHER...... Is the rain that is on radar reaching the ground? (Not criticizing forecasts) But this rain seems to be moving in sooner. How does this play in with now-casting?
December 8, 2008 11:34 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Adam, do you think that is really possible?
December 8, 2008 11:39 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

its cool emmy just not having a good time of it. and tired of no snow
December 8, 2008 11:40 AM
 

Adam Penney said:

Kane,

I do think it is possible, however not likely.

Sometimes as we get closer to the event, the models begin to sample the system that is actually now on land.

It begins to get a better feel for how the system really going to react. It is important to not that both the GFS and the NAM trended "slightly" stronger. Consistency at this point is very important.

It will be critical to see if the 18Z models continue the upward trend, and then again tonight on the 0Z runs.

If that were to happen, then I think you could gain more confidence that at the very least, the snowflake contest could end...

Just my thoughts...
December 8, 2008 11:44 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Thank you.
December 8, 2008 11:49 AM
 

Adam Penney said:

Kane, you are very welcome.

Also, the NWS has also noted this new development in the models since overnight and mentions it in it's early morning AFD...


12Z/00Z NAM WAS THE FIRST TO
SUGGEST THIS SCENARIO OF A THIRD WAVE OF PRECIPITATION AND THE 06Z
GFS HAS NOW LATCHED ONTO THIS. A BAND OF SNOW...PROBABLY TIED TO A
WEAK DEFORMATION ZONE...SHOULD SPREAD NORTHEAST FROM SOUTH CENTRAL
KS DURING THE MORNING AND OVERSPREAD THE CWA DURING THE LATE MORNING
AND AFTERNOON HOURS. IN GENERAL AROUND AN INCH OF SNOW IS POSSIBLE
ALTHOUGH THE DAY SHIFT WILL NEED TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR POSSIBLE
BANDING OF SNOW...WHICH WOULD MEAN SOMEWHAT HIGHER SNOW AMOUNTS.


Again, will have to wait to see if the models continue this trend. If they don't, things will stay very minimal.

If they continue to enhance the deformation zone, things could get a little more interesting.
December 8, 2008 11:54 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

what does that mean adam
December 8, 2008 12:00 PM
 

kane1970 said:

Like I said earlier I think the contest will Tuesday. 1.5" Is my guess. Hopefully i am on the low side lol.
December 8, 2008 12:03 PM
 

Adam Penney said:

Teamster,

The deformation zone, is typically the area of snow that forms on the NW side of the low pressure.  Depending on the strength of the storm, this area can create some very heavy snows.

It all depends on where the banding or trowal sets up. These are the areas of heaviest snows. They are sometimes nearly impossible to pin down until the event is already underway. This is why predicting snowfall can be very difficult.

This is why if you want snow, you want the low pressure center to pass to your southeast.
December 8, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

well isnt the system passing real close to just south of Kc
December 8, 2008 12:25 PM
 

boootz said:

My son just called to say it is raining in Olathe
December 8, 2008 12:29 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

time will tell up to 48 in st joe now so we are even warm.....lets see what the weekend holds.
December 8, 2008 12:35 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Teamster83,
My husband is with you. He wants snow so badly. He is like a little kid when it comes to snow. He is totally doing the snow, please snow dance. Sorry to hear about your job. That is tough. That is how we ended up in KC after growing up in the Los Angeles area. Husband got layed off and was unemployeed for 6 months. We have a good friend who works construction, he too often gets layed off. Hang in there, things will work out. They always seem to.
December 8, 2008 12:55 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Hey, is it evil of me to want my Sister in Law to get snowed in? She lives in Aurora, CO. Before she moved there (she just made the move) she went on and on about how they don't get any snow. For those of you who don't know, Aurora is a burb of Denver, so you know that they get snow. Gary says that they get about 50" of snow annually. I tried to explain to her that she will get snow, but she was insistant that they would not get any. So again, how evil am I that I want her to get snowed in, just for one day. :-)
Audra
December 8, 2008 1:01 PM
 

Brent said:

Its hard to describe...but from the first time I saw that chance of snow on monday night and tuesday I was skeptical...I have no idea why! I almost always get excited like everyone else and then get mad when it does not happen..but this time I just had this gut feeling that it wasn't going to be much...I don't know what to say except that I am not surprised...lol

well lets look forward I guess...maybe next week?
December 8, 2008 1:02 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Oh, to make everyone smile. I  have to wait until it snows before we can get a Christmas tree. My husband says that they look prettier in the snow, so he wants to wait until there is snow on the ground before buying one. Me, I like to watch the snow fall, driving in it, I could take it or leave it. So I guess I am now hopeing for a decent snow fall so we can get a Christmas tree. It sure beats putting lights on a fake ficus tree which we had to do one year when we waited too long to get one and they were all sold out.
So, what is everyones favorite type of snow fall? The big fat flakes that slowly drift down? The small intense flakes that seem like they are on a mission? Lets hear from you..
December 8, 2008 1:09 PM
 

Brent said:

Oh by the way everyone, I didn't mean to come off with a "told you so attitude"
lol just making it clear that that was not my intent...
December 8, 2008 1:09 PM
 

jacob said:

Looks like you and I are going to get missed again this year Brent.  Like I told Gary all along the past few months...my gut feeling was and still kind of is, that it will not be a very good winter in the way of snowfall.  I really hope I'm wrong, but with the way things are starting off, it's not changing my mind...how about you?
December 8, 2008 1:09 PM
 

Kelli said:

It is raining here in Lee's Summit now.
December 8, 2008 1:12 PM
 

jacob said:

Adam,

When you put this link on here about the snowfall totals...did you read the disclamer at the top?  The legend is off by 1 inch.  So the model is really saying more in lines of 1-2"...
December 8, 2008 1:14 PM
 

jacob said:

December 8, 2008 1:14 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

It is Kelli. I read your post and at that moment I started to hear it. Boy, you are good! :-)
December 8, 2008 1:15 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Jacob, do you know why there is one lone yellow dot below Cameron? Is that an low area where the cold air sinks, thus it is colder?
December 8, 2008 1:17 PM
 

Adam Penney said:

Jacob,

The disclaimer said it was fixed as of January 31st, 2008.

It had an error the first part of the year and was fixed on that date, so I am pretty sure that those figures are correct.

Good heads up though, I didnt happend to read it at first....
December 8, 2008 1:21 PM
 

jacob said:

It may, but I think it is more of the fact that the computer model has a little "blip" iin it.
December 8, 2008 1:24 PM
 

jacob said:

I think we will be more worried tomorrow about precipitation freezing on overpasses and eventually roadways as the temperatures drop quickly behind the cold front.  This may be more of a concern than snowfall.
December 8, 2008 1:29 PM
 

jacob said:

Ok, well I am off for right now...see you all later.  Try to not kill anybody on here as this storm is very complex and difficult to forecast.  Give Gary a break...after all this is the 1st 'storm' of this 'winter season.'  Have fun all....

Hope for snow!!!
December 8, 2008 1:32 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

see i dont get this. all these different channel says different things. one says dusting one says 1-3 inches. jacobs page has me painted in the 2-3 inches so who knows ***************** Gary will spell out the NBC Action Weather Plus team's forecast clearly at 5 & 6 p.m. tune in then and there won't be any confusion. Really there shouldn't be either. We have been consistent and never said there would be a big snow event. Everyone can make a forecast though and we can see who came the closest. The great thing about forecasting is everyone can give it a try. Jeremy
December 8, 2008 1:33 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Well if that happens, which it does every year.. Please drive carefully everyone. I remember last year (at least I think it was last year), that the car rental places like Enterprise, were all out of cars because so many cars were in the shop getting repaired from accidents. To my eldest daughter, if you are reading this, please be extra careful driving to and from work if and when things start to ice up.
Audra
December 8, 2008 1:37 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

thats what i wonder is the freezing rain
December 8, 2008 1:43 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

December 8, 2008 1:45 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

man whats up with this, 4-6 inch range for us here in clay county, this is so messed up. but tonight its suppose to be like 33 degrees 1 degree off and its 32 and it freezes does that mean freezing rain!!! **************** Teamster, Since we are going no where close to 4-6", I don't want people thinking that came from us. Was that Andrew's link? Jeremy
December 8, 2008 1:51 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well it is Monday now and the storm is beginning to show its true colors, well maybe the ground will at least turn somewhat white around here, we will see though, either way, some good precip. and some good wind coming so could be worse;)
One thing that I have noticed with the progs. for this storm and the last "system" to come through( the baroclinic snow). Is that the "back" of the trough oriented northeast to southwest is very well defined and moves through cutting off the "front" of the shortwave from us, if this is one of those quirky features that storms have in this LRC, then it might be kind of frusturating... but we will see.
December 8, 2008 1:54 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Andrew that map changes more times than I can keep up with!
December 8, 2008 1:55 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

Andrew, that map is from yesterday, the 12z run. For some reason, the more current runs of the NAM aren't showing up on that site. ***************** The 12Z NAM gives KCI 0.2" of snow. The 18Z run doesn't hold much more hope. Jeremy
December 8, 2008 1:55 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

oops, it is! Didn't see that!
December 8, 2008 2:11 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Modelitis..shots of LRC for everyone!  

nicknack - good observations.  I think it is exciting to see more and more people view the LRC, and your thoughts are interesting.  I do think that there was a pattern from August to October, but perhaps just a part of the entire LRC this year.

Maybe there is a morphing pattern?  Dunno.

I have just the cure for cycle analysis and modelitis for tomorrow's blog entry on lrcweather.com   ;-)

Adam - you are a strong soul to have modelitis so bad and to be able to move forward..LOL...  maybe we still squeak out 1-3?  I would be estatic.

;-)
December 8, 2008 2:23 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

well this sucks
December 8, 2008 2:34 PM
 

backwoods said:

My labrador is getting excited. He predicts snow. The sqirrels are really active today! Who knows better than critters?
December 8, 2008 2:41 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I will wait to see the GFS, I trust the GFS more than I do with the NAM.

This years LRC looks to a bust, all the snow will be north of here
December 8, 2008 2:42 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

hey andrew when does the next gfs come out where can i go to see it
December 8, 2008 2:49 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

backwoods,

I hope the animals are right!!
December 8, 2008 2:54 PM
 

nicknack said:

what forcast NAM or GFS seems to be more accurate for the short term (24 hours out) models this season?
December 8, 2008 2:58 PM
 

rstull said:

Currently a balmy 68 degrees here in Hutchinson, KS and an outrageous 74 in Medicine Lodge!!
December 8, 2008 3:09 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

got this from noaa.com they have been really changing there tunes every hour here is the latest as of 3:11

Tuesday: Rain, freezing rain, and sleet before 9am, then snow. Areas of blowing snow after noon. Temperature falling to around 25 by 5pm. Breezy, with a north northwest wind between 21 and 24 mph, with gusts as high as 33 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. Little or no ice accumulation expected. New snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible.
December 8, 2008 3:11 PM
 

chfs327 said:

im waiting on gfs
December 8, 2008 3:22 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

December 8, 2008 3:25 PM
 

NorthlandKB said:

OK...I'm trying to be the 100th post on this blog entry.  Maybe time for an update, guys?  C'mon, there's nothing interesting happening with the weather today or tomorrow, right? :)

Just kidding...thanks for keeping us updated on everything today!  I'm still getting my snow shovel ready for tomorrow...
December 8, 2008 3:25 PM
 

GaryB said:

Scott...morphing is another word for cheating with the LRC.  It's also called, covering your behind.....  There is a very real chance January may be above average temps the little precip until Feb.
December 8, 2008 3:27 PM
 

Kcchamps said:

wow.......its gonna be SO close. the new GFS has the cold air just barley to our north wen the heaviest precip arrives.  we will have to wait and see
December 8, 2008 3:38 PM
 

chfs327 said:

what you guys thinking
December 8, 2008 3:39 PM
 

CRAZYLEGS said:

I'm heading to my Laurie, Mo office at 5:30 AM tomorrow, hows that look Gary, thanks.
December 8, 2008 3:41 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

if the Gfs is only saying 2/10 of a inch for kci and noaa is calling for a a total of 1-2 inches of ice and snow how much ICE are we going to get. There is something going on and there holding back is why they wont update or there trying to figure it out still
December 8, 2008 3:42 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Winds are turning to the west in North west Mo

http://tinyurl.com/5tmq23
December 8, 2008 3:42 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

GFS is looking a little better.
December 8, 2008 3:45 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

how much now fire dog
December 8, 2008 3:46 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Garyb, while morphing may have a specific semantic designation for you, specific to the theory, there is a morphing of sorts that occurs from one year's LRC to another's creation.

It is not cheating and it is not "covering your behind", rather a part of the process that we have observed, communicated, and continue to work to explain.  

Cheating or "covering one's behind" usually stems from hiding an error or trying to mislead others - both of which we are clearly not doing.  

I suspect there is a wide range of thoughts regarding this Winter.  And I think there are plenty of forecasts to cover the entire spectrum of possibility.  

I love that you make forecasts, and I often encourage many people with a passion for weather and a thirst for knowledge to take that leap to learn and experience what it takes to do one.  It is not for the weak hearted and think it is a great learning experience!
December 8, 2008 3:46 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

garyb, my thoughts(which are completely independent of the lrc) are that we will continue to see slightly below average temps throughout winter overall...yet be below average in the precipitation department.  due to the cooler than average temps, i believe we will end up being near average in the snowfall department in the end.  there will be less overall moisture though.  the lrc is an ambitious project...

as far as tomorrow goes...there will be cold air, lift, residual moisture, as well has decent RH values behind the front.  i see no reason why 1-2" wont fall tomorrow at kci.  
December 8, 2008 3:47 PM
 

twister11 said:

The freezing line is so close
December 8, 2008 3:47 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

for the model watchers the latest gfs is looking slightly cooler with slightly more post frontal precip.
December 8, 2008 3:51 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

if the freezing lines get here sooner does that mean bigger snow or what
December 8, 2008 3:51 PM
 

jhawk62798 said:

How does Wichita get a Winter Weather Advisory?  thought this was supposed to be forming further east of us, not south of us.
December 8, 2008 3:51 PM
 

Kcchamps said:

December 8, 2008 3:51 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

where can i see the latest GFS
December 8, 2008 3:52 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

where can i see the latest GFS
December 8, 2008 3:52 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

kc champs i saw that. That was a dagger in the heart we will never see someting like that atleast not in thi storm.
December 8, 2008 3:54 PM
 

Trentonite said:

Interesting choice of that picture with an article that says "Snow accumulation is likely in some areas with this storm."  0.8" of snow doesn't quite look like that picture in my uneducated opinion.
December 8, 2008 4:10 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I know a WWA for Wichita??!?!?!?
December 8, 2008 4:10 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

jhawk - there is a post frontal band progged for central and southern KS that is a bit heavier than most of the back end.  That is probably what triggered it.

The 18z GFS is a bit wetter and cooler, but remember..it is the trend that is important and the trend of several sources, not just one.  Fight the urge to wishcast.

I think the team here has done an excellent job with this in taking the trends and resisting "wanting" a higher amount...or in Jeremy's case, resisting wanting to forecast sunny and 82 degrees.

LOL.
December 8, 2008 4:13 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Topeka NWS is going to issue a winter wx advisory not certain what areas are under it yet.
December 8, 2008 4:16 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Is anyone Posting?
December 8, 2008 4:16 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

From TOP WWA
KSZ011-012-022>024-026-035>040-054-055-090900-
/O.NEW.KTOP.WW.Y.0008.081209T0900Z-081209T2100Z/
NEMAHA-BROWN-RILEY-POTTAWATOMIE-JACKSON-JEFFERSON-DICKINSON-GEARY-
MORRIS-WABAUNSEE-SHAWNEE-DOUGLAS-LYON-OSAGE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...HIAWATHA...MANHATTAN...ABILENE...
JUNCTION CITY...TOPEKA...LAWRENCE...EMPORIA
416 PM CST MON DEC 8 2008

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 3 AM TO 3 PM CST
TUESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TOPEKA HAS ISSUED A WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM
3 AM TO 3 PM CST TUESDAY.

ONE TO TWO INCHES OF SNOWFALL IS POSSIBLE ACROSS THE WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY AREA FROM LATE MONDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY
AFTERNOON. WHILE SNOWFALL AMOUNTS ARE LIGHT...NORTHERLY WINDS OF
20 TO 25 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 35 MPH WILL LIKELY COMBINE WITH THE ONE
TO TWO INCHES OF SNOWFALL TO REDUCE VISIBILITIES BELOW ONE MILE AT
TIMES...WHICH WILL CREATE HAZARDOUS DRIVING CONDITIONS BY TUESDAY
MORNING.

December 8, 2008 4:19 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I can't believe this!!! Another Bust!!! :o :(
December 8, 2008 4:29 PM
 

rymac said:

I think it's funny that the NWS in topeka issued an advsory for one to two inches...lame.
I am holding on to my initial thoughts about this years cycle that we are in for a non-snow season. ryan in chillicothe
December 8, 2008 4:32 PM
 

Adam Penney said:

Scott,

Yes, modelitis is tough......lol


Im sure you have experienced it at some point as well. Im still learning this winter weather stuff.

Curious as to your thoughts on this storm and what went wrong? You seemed so confident that this storm was going to have a much greater winter storm impact than it looks to have right now.

I know its complex, so im sure you are still trying to figure it out yourself....
December 8, 2008 4:33 PM
 

chfs327 said:

I dont know. But I see a Major Consurn due to roadway conditions...

With about heavy precip being Water and rain. with tempatures falling. an Inch of rain could freeze over.
December 8, 2008 4:35 PM
 

Adam Penney said:

Andrew,

Another bust?? Winter has barely started.

Its December 8th.....

You also must understand where Kansas City is. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get everything we need here for a major snow storm. Can it happen, yes. Will it happen this year? Who knows...

Someone within a 100 mile radius of downtown KC will recieve more than 10 inches of snow in a given storm at some point this winter.

I think we all begin to just expect it when a model says 10 inches 5 days out. Its hard, but when you read that, you must always take it with a grain of salt, IMO.
December 8, 2008 4:37 PM
 

Teamster83 said:

boy glad we spend millions on satellites and computers to tell what its gonna do, hell my playstation 3 could be just as effective
December 8, 2008 4:38 PM
 

Adam Penney said:

The NWS in Pleasant Hill has now issued a Winter Weather Advisory for the metro area...


URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE KANSAS CITY/PLEASANT HILL MO
437 PM CST MON DEC 8 2008

KSZ025-102>105-MOZ001>008-011>017-020>024-028>030-037-090645-
/O.NEW.KEAX.WW.Y.0010.081209T1000Z-081209T1800Z/
ATCHISON KS-DONIPHAN-LEAVENWORTH-WYANDOTTE-JOHNSON KS-ATCHISON MO-
NODAWAY-WORTH-GENTRY-HARRISON-MERCER-PUTNAM-SCHUYLER-HOLT-ANDREW-
DE KALB-DAVIESS-GRUNDY-SULLIVAN-ADAIR-BUCHANAN-CLINTON-CALDWELL-
LIVINGSTON-LINN MO-PLATTE-CLAY-RAY-JACKSON-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ATCHISON...TROY...LEAVENWORTH...
KANSAS CITY KS...OVERLAND PARK...OLATHE...TARKIO...ROCKPORT...
MARYVILLE...GRANT CITY...ALBANY...STANBERRY...BETHANY...
PRINCETON...UNIONVILLE...LANCASTER...DOWNING...MOUND CITY...
OREGON...SAVANNAH...CAMERON...GALLATIN...JAMESPORT...TRENTON...
MILAN...GREEN CITY...KIRKSVILLE...ST. JOSEPH...PLATTSBURG...
KINGSTON...HAMILTON...POLO...CHILLICOTHE...BROOKFIELD...
PARKVILLE...PLATTE CITY...WESTON...LIBERTY...EXCELSIOR SPRINGS...
RICHMOND...KANSAS CITY...INDEPENDENCE
437 PM CST MON DEC 8 2008

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM TO 12 PM CST
TUESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PLEASANT HILL HAS ISSUED A WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM TO 12 PM CST
TUESDAY.

A DEVELOPING STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE ACROSS THE REGION LATE TONIGHT
AND TUESDAY. PRECIPITATION WILL INITIALLY START OUT AS RAIN TONIGHT.
HOWEVER AS THE STORM SYSTEM MOVES EAST...COLD AIR WILL SPREAD SOUTH
ACROSS THE REGION LATE TONIGHT AND TUESDAY. THE COLD AIR WILL CAUSE
THE RAIN TO CHANGE OVER TO SNOW. A PERIOD OF FREEZING RAIN...FREEZING
DRIZZLE AND SLEET IS EXPECTED DURING THIS TRANSITION PERIOD.
SIGNIFICANT ICE ACCUMULATION IS NOT EXPECTED. HOWEVER AREA
ROADS...ESPECIALLY BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES WILL LIKELY BECOME SLICK AND
HAZARDOUS.

THE WINTRY MIX IS EXPECTED TO MOVE SOUTH ACROSS THE ADVISORY AREA
DURING THE EARLY TO LATE MORNING TIME-FRAME...CREATING HAZARDOUS
DRIVING CONDITIONS DURING THE MORNING COMMUTE.

1 TO 2 INCHES OF SNOW ARE THEN POSSIBLE ONCE THE PRECIPITATION
CHANGES OVER TO ALL SNOW. IN ADDITION STRONG NORTHERLY WINDS OF 20 TO
25 MPH AND GUSTS FROM 30 TO 35 MPH ARE EXPECTED WITH THE LIGHT SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS...REDUCING VISIBILITIES AT TIMES.

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR
FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR
SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE
DRIVING.

$$

NRR
December 8, 2008 4:40 PM
 

radman22 said:

We are now officially in a WWA for most of the metro
December 8, 2008 4:41 PM
 

HailJonathan said:

YAY WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY!
December 8, 2008 4:42 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

WWA for us now.
December 8, 2008 4:43 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

WWA issued for points North of I35 .
December 8, 2008 4:44 PM
 

A dogg said:

I swear if us to the south miss out again this year, im moving north!!!
December 8, 2008 4:44 PM
 

rymac said:

teamster,
thanks... i needed that. still laughing. ryan
December 8, 2008 4:44 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

The latest. We are under a Winter weather advisory..

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM TO 12 PM CST
TUESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PLEASANT HILL HAS ISSUED A WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM TO 12 PM CST
TUESDAY.

A DEVELOPING STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE ACROSS THE REGION LATE TONIGHT
AND TUESDAY. PRECIPITATION WILL INITIALLY START OUT AS RAIN TONIGHT.
HOWEVER AS THE STORM SYSTEM MOVES EAST...COLD AIR WILL SPREAD SOUTH
ACROSS THE REGION LATE TONIGHT AND TUESDAY. THE COLD AIR WILL CAUSE
THE RAIN TO CHANGE OVER TO SNOW. A PERIOD OF FREEZING RAIN...FREEZING
DRIZZLE AND SLEET IS EXPECTED DURING THIS TRANSITION PERIOD.
SIGNIFICANT ICE ACCUMULATION IS NOT EXPECTED. HOWEVER AREA
ROADS...ESPECIALLY BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES WILL LIKELY BECOME SLICK AND
HAZARDOUS.

THE WINTRY MIX IS EXPECTED TO MOVE SOUTH ACROSS THE ADVISORY AREA
DURING THE EARLY TO LATE MORNING TIME-FRAME...CREATING HAZARDOUS
DRIVING CONDITIONS DURING THE MORNING COMMUTE.

1 TO 2 INCHES OF SNOW ARE THEN POSSIBLE ONCE THE PRECIPITATION
CHANGES OVER TO ALL SNOW. IN ADDITION STRONG NORTHERLY WINDS OF 20 TO
25 MPH AND GUSTS FROM 30 TO 35 MPH ARE EXPECTED WITH THE LIGHT SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS...REDUCING VISIBILITIES AT TIMES.

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR
FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR
SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE
December 8, 2008 4:45 PM
 

outgoing101 said:

Why do we have a WWA? I thought that this was going to be nothing much. I realize that it is for travel hazards, but with .8 of snow that should not cause travel issues. How bad of drivers do they think we are?
December 8, 2008 4:47 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

NWS says 1-2", I guess that ain't that bad, I still would like 1-2'
December 8, 2008 4:49 PM
 

Greg said:

With the exception of a few light rain showers in far eastern Mo. and north centaral Ks. this doesn't even look like much of rainmaker, let alone snow. Why does everyone get so excited about a little rain and some flurries?
December 8, 2008 4:49 PM
 

jkearney said:

Snow good, ice bad.
December 8, 2008 4:49 PM
 

marlina10 said:

Um...it's not necessary for multiple people to keep posting the winter weather advisory message over and over again. Most of us have already read it on our own...
December 8, 2008 4:49 PM
 

A dogg said:

dang!! I am not even in a wwa!! The anti-snow bubble over me again this year!! Brent, we should just move north, like alaska!!
December 8, 2008 4:52 PM
 

radman22 said:

The WWA was issued because it will be during the morning rush and the temps will be dropping fast.  With the wind blowing the snow around it will make for rough driving.   The snowflake contest will live on.....   IMO
December 8, 2008 4:52 PM
 

sweetness said:

Nice teamster83 but you guys know the drill. We get all excited and then we get nothing. I personally think mother nature is the bully for us in kc. Teasing us with snow how mean
December 8, 2008 4:54 PM
 

sweetness said:

Im with you a dogg. lol but not that far away just to colorado in the mountains
December 8, 2008 4:55 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Outgoing that is because people in this area still cant function well under mild wintry conditions.  Some really freak out if even if just 2 inches of snow is in the forecast if you haven't noticed yet. Other places in the country this would be different.  The only thing needed to be warned about is possible freezing rain which of course is very dangerous on the roads....especially bridges.  All those new bridges in Johnson County off 435 are going to be horrible for future winter weather events.

December 8, 2008 4:56 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Since most of this will be rain. an inch of rain freezing over on roads is not good at all.
December 8, 2008 5:09 PM
 

Billy said:

Isn't there an advisory in affect for us?

Gary, why didn't you make a mention of this on TV?  Do you not believe it?  Are you ignoring it?

Seems like we could have a mix in the area tomorrow morning.

December 8, 2008 5:22 PM
 

Luthur said:

The NWS just issued a WWA. In case no one has seen it yet.

Seriously, they probably wouldn't have done this if we had a few storms under our belt.  Everyone freaks out over the first mention of snow.  And, as someone mentioned earlier, it appears things will get cold and icy during rush hour.  Seems to be a good use of the WWA.

Per the upcoming event.  Doesn't look fun.  A bunch of rain and then not much wet snow.  Going to be muddy and nasty.  
December 8, 2008 5:24 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

New Blog!
December 8, 2008 5:25 PM
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