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Snow forecast updated at 7:40 AM....December 9, 2008

Good morning NBC Action Weather Bloggers,

WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY THROUGH THE EVENING RUSH HOUR!

Here is our snowfall forecast before the first snowflakes even start falling.  Read below for the analysis and concerns. And, as you look at this map below remember it could shift 30 to 60 miles:

We are having a very interesting and exciting weather day.  It will likely end up with some travel problems, however, so it is going to be a headache for some of us before the day is over.  1 to 3 inches of snow may fall with strong winds blowing it around this afternoon. This is something that will develop as the band of snow hasn't formed yet as of 6 AM.  I am expecting signs of development by mid morning to our west.

This is a fascinating day. Today's high was already 58 degrees after midnight!  Look how it started on this 12:45 AM surface map:

Look at how fast this front has moved to the southeast.  The above map is the 1 AM surface map, and below you can see the 6 AM surface map.  Notice the temperatures across Nebraska have crashed into the lower teens.  This air is surging our way:

As the cold air rushes into our region it will be cold enough for all snow once the new bands of precipitation form.  I am not expecting the bands to really get their act together until later this morning or early this afternoon.  This poses many problems for our 1 to 3 inch snow forecast:

  1. Will the bands of snow actually form?  I expect them to form by 10 AM to Noon!
  2. Where will the snow bands line up?
  3. Will there be enough snow to cause blowing and drifting of the snow which would end up creating a rough evening rush hour?
  4. When will the entire area of snow shift to the south and could the bands become nearly stationary causing some higher amounts?

This is a tricky one.  I am expecting the band of snow to develop, but where will it line up? How wide will the snow band be?  When will it start forming?  All of these questions will be answered within a few hours.  Watch the area of snow southwest of Wichita.  But, more importantly new snow bands should begin forming before noon if this is all going to happen today.  Some areas will likely barely get more than a dusting while others very close by will be in the 1 to 3 inch band of snow.

New data will be rolling in soon and I will add a little more right here around 7:45 AM....Meteorologist Brett Anthony is tracking this on NBC Action News this morning. Be sure to watch at 11 AM during our midday newscast as we should know how this is developing by that time.

Gary

Published Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:46 AM by glezak

Comments

 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:

Get Smarted again!!! LOL!! Man-I am hitting it at night and in the morning!!!! I can't keep up LOL!!! I missed again by that much....

Fascinating watching things this morning on satelite and the surface charts-just awesome!! i think on the water vapor imagery you can see the secomnd wave trying to organize on the borders of New Mexico, Texas, and the Oklahoma Panhandle.

I didn't put this in the previous blog and I usually don't do this as any time I try to make a guess on snow or rain I wind up with about a dozen eggs on my face but I'll give it a roll!!

I am thinking trace to two inches for Lawrence. That cold air is rushing down like a bowling ball and with that farily strong high pressure area pushing south I think this second wave may dive into Texas a bit and then move out NE-kind of a Texas Hooker track-that is not a good snow track for Lawrence as we are a bit too far west.

Whatever the case, this is/has been great to track and follow-just awesome!!

Have a great day and as always thanks for reading and providing such a great place (along with the LRC Blog) to learn and sicuss the weather!!! Get some rest!!

Bill hoping the front stays right where it is in Lawrence
December 9, 2008 6:07 AM
 

weatherwyco said:

Gary,
Good morning to you and the rest of the weather team! What an interesting night last night, It felt more like spring outside then it did late fall. According to my weather station we only received .08 today and looking at the history on it http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KKSKANSA9
Looks like the winds switched around to the North here in KCK around 1:20 am and we have been dropping ever since then. Currently sitting at 32.2 with a NW wind at 10 MPH gusting to 13…nice chilly morning, and finally we are cold enough for some snow! Here is hoping for more than a dusting in KCK today!

Bryan

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Bryan,

It is going to be a very interesting day.  There is just now a sign of this storm coming together, but the band of snow will be thin.  It just happens to be targeting our local area.  We should know more very soon.

Gary

December 9, 2008 6:13 AM
 

momof3 said:

It's my birthday!  I am hoping for the snow!  I was up around 1:00 and went outside and it was actually very comfortable.  Not so much anymore!  Looking very much forward to your latest thoughts!  Thanks for keeping us so up to date!

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Happy Birthday!  We will keep you updated.  Have a fantastic day.

Gary

December 9, 2008 6:22 AM
 

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December 9, 2008 6:25 AM
 

farmgirl said:

Yuck, Looks like La Cygne is in the 2-3 inch snow band; and I hope no more than that. Hubby can fire up the snow blower now, he gets excited about using another "man" toy! I just assume it stays in the machine shed and collects dust. :)
December 9, 2008 6:52 AM
 

farmgirl said:

Happy Birthday mom of 3!

Mine is next week. Looks like I won't be getting the Eskew jewlery for my birthday since the snowflake contest will most likely end today. Oh well, I'm hoping for warm weather instead of the Artic Blast so  can go to crown center for skating.
December 9, 2008 6:54 AM
 

penguin said:

Warm weather for ice skating? :s
December 9, 2008 7:16 AM
 

Jayhawkie said:

Happy Birthday Mom of Three!!!!  Did you pick today for the snowflake contest?  If you did good luck to you.  My birthday was at the end of November, so I have already lost the snowflake contest.  Have a great day!!!
December 9, 2008 7:25 AM
 

spotter said:

well gary and team looks like the radar to the west is starting to lite up well have to see what happens.
December 9, 2008 7:28 AM
 

VdoManZ said:

Gary...I received .65 inches of rain last night in SE Lee's Summit! WOW if that was all snow it would be stacked up!
December 9, 2008 7:33 AM
 

momof3 said:

Thank you all!  Unfortunately I pick nov. 27th so I won't be getting the jewelry either!  Happy early birhtday to you farmgirl!  I am just waiting for the snow to start!!!!!  Everyone have a great day and stay safe and warm!
December 9, 2008 7:42 AM
 

bmbiec said:

Ok, being a teacher, I am only concerned with when is our next snow day going to come?  I was thinking it would be Dec 9 or 10th based upon earlier blogs, but it looks like are not going to lose any days this week.  Next week we have finals - is it too early to call for next week?
December 9, 2008 7:43 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Wow I got more rain than I expected last night.....  .64 in my rain guage, too bad it was not cold enough to snow then, :o). I am hoping the snow does happen down here....my girls are excited!! Gary do you plan to wear your snow vest today?? Rest up weather team...this may turn into a very trying day for you all!! Happy Birthday momof3!!!
Monica  Pleasanton, KS

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Monica,

Thanks for reminding me.  I will wear it.  Did you know that I got that outfit in 1992.  It is a bit dated and maybe later on in the season I will have a new snow vest.

It should snow at least an inch down your way.  Let's see where the band sets up.


Gary

December 9, 2008 7:48 AM
 

marlina10 said:

Our first inch of snow in Kansas City...I'm excited! I do hope that it doesn't create too big of a mess for the drive home tonight, though.
December 9, 2008 7:50 AM
 

Tinkermom said:

How many people picked today for the snowflake contest?  I picked today at I *think* 6:09pm.
December 9, 2008 7:50 AM
 

DPannell said:

Stomping hard!  "no snow, no snow, no snow"  perhaps it should be:  "no accumulating snow, no accumulating snow, ...." ha!  Have a safe day everyone!  Happy Birthday Mom of 3!  Teacher here too, but we don't have snow days as it's a residential school so scooping snow and scraping ice is in order any day it snows/sleets.  Farmgirl, sure hope that snow blower stays in the shed, at lease hoping it will here in Paola.  
--deb
December 9, 2008 7:55 AM
 

KC_Hams said:

The AccuWeather radar loop looks interesting:
http://tiny.cc/wb7WZ
December 9, 2008 8:08 AM
 

Kristin208 said:

Teacher here too, South of KC.  Will that band of heavy snow hit the Harrisonville/Creighton area?  That would make this teacher very happy :)
December 9, 2008 8:11 AM
 

Tawn00 said:

Another teacher :)  Any chance we will have an early dismissal this afternoon!!

------------------------

It certainly is possible.  The big problem with todays situation is the wind.  If it snows more than one inch then the roads will be all slick and hazardous by the time school gets out.  We will know a lot more by around 11 AM.  Watch NBC Action News at 11 AM and we will update the blog by around that time as well.

Gary

December 9, 2008 8:25 AM
 

penguin said:

If you have early dismissal for 3" of snow that is pathetic.  Kids have it way to easy these days.  Either that or the schools are just afraid of getting sued if Johnny slips on a slick patch on the sidewalk.
December 9, 2008 8:32 AM
 

Weatherfly said:

Tinkermom,
I also picked today...but not until late..I think 9PM, so I think I am out of it.

Gary,  Is there somewhere we can go that lists all the picks?
December 9, 2008 8:40 AM
 

camatz6 said:

Hey penguin...I think you are right on that one...it's the fear of being sued.  Buses also have to be careful because they are carrying precious cargo.  With the wind blowing, it will be more hazardous than just a 3 inch snow fall with no wind.
December 9, 2008 8:45 AM
 

Kristin208 said:

It's better to be safe and sorry.  When I taught in Springfield they didn't release us early for the first day of the ice storm last year, because they didn't think it would get as bad as it did.  You never know with the weather!
December 9, 2008 8:46 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Here is my wx station data, look at the sharp decline around 2:30am!!

http://tinyurl.com/wxstation
December 9, 2008 8:50 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

I'm actually a little excited about the snow, but only because I am off today and dont have to go anywhere.  However, my husband does.  He has to drive from near Liberty to downtown around noon, and comes home around 9:30.  Gary, I know you talk about the wind and the possible hazardous driving, but it seems you are talking more about late afternoon and the evening rush.  
Based on what you currently know, do you think he should be okay for his ride to work?  And do you think the snow will be done and gone, and the roads decent enough by the time he comes home this evening?

My daughter will be very excited once the snow starts coming down...it's a great birthday present for a three year old!!
December 9, 2008 8:57 AM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

Gary, I think you  need to move your snowfall prediction maps about 60 miles south of where you have them now.

It was close, but I think the snowflake continues past today

Kelly
December 9, 2008 9:01 AM
 

sedsinkc said:

In looking at the radar loop, my analysis is that the heaviest snow accums will fall in Miami, Linn, and Cass counties and points south, which agrees with Gary's snow accumulation map.  Whether that 1 inch will fall on the Plaza today remains an open question.  It will be a close.  Should be fun watching this storm evolve.  Gary, do you have a spot to measure snowfall that has minimal influence from drifting snow?
December 9, 2008 9:01 AM
 

rstull said:

Snow and blowing snow with a wind chill of 10 degrees here in Hutchinson, KS. Visibilities are getting worse.
December 9, 2008 9:02 AM
 

sedsinkc said:

The folks to the southeast of KC who were missed time after time last winter will get to enjoy this one.  Of course, KC itself once again will miss the bullseye and just have minor accumulations.  KCI will probably have less than half an inch out of this one.  I remain confident in my prediction of less than 15 inches of snow at KCI this winter.
December 9, 2008 9:07 AM
 

unclebill85 said:

Any chance I can get out of WORK early because of snow?  That should be the real question!!  When I was in school, we sat through an ICE STORM while every other school in the metro was out!  This was like 93-94 or so, Raytown South.  It was such a big deal that all the TV stations showed up asking the super WHY they would keep us in school on a day like that.  Now, kids get out with next to no reason.  Granted I want my kids safe, but I think we are a bit overboard these days.
December 9, 2008 9:08 AM
 

KellyofIndependence said:

I think the  1 inch or more line will be from Lone Jack to Ottowa and points south of that.

Just my guess

Kelly
December 9, 2008 9:08 AM
 

penguin said:

camatz6:  Yes the cargo is precious but they send the kids home now days for conditions that are in no way dangerous.  As far as the road getting hazardous...  It would not be that big a problem if the DoT's around here actually had a clue.  In LS they never do anything until the snow has been compacted to ice.
December 9, 2008 9:10 AM
 

Ross said:

I had to take kids home on a bus during the October Surprise storm a few years back.  It was not fun.  My bus was sliding all over the road and I was taking things slowly.  Buses are not equipped to handle wintry road conditions like a lot of the northern states are.  I remember in Alaska going to school with lots of snow on the ground.  The school bus had chains on.
December 9, 2008 9:12 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

I'm sure this was said, but...  Anyone know when the snow expected to start falling in the northland?
December 9, 2008 9:12 AM
 

bewild79 said:

unclebill85,
I believe that I am going to have a work snow day...I dont drive in this very well so when I see it getting too close for comfort I am going to pick my son up from daycare and go home.  I dont see the point in taking the risk of waiting and having my 5 year old in the car and have something happen.  If I was by myself it would be different.

On another note, that radar looks like the snow band is big and will be here by 11 (just my opinion).  Is all that just very light snow or is this going to be bigger than expected?
Becky
December 9, 2008 9:13 AM
 

dougbce said:

Andrew, did you see those two upward spikes on the wind about 8:30.  holy moly!

The radar is showing lots of snow on it now, but alot of it is so light most likely not even hitting the ground.  But it sure looks to me like the band is widening.
December 9, 2008 9:14 AM
 

bewild79 said:

penguin,
I agree.  I remember last year there were times when the roads could have been cleared and you didn't see one plow or salt truck.  I think it was on the weekend (sunday)  
December 9, 2008 9:15 AM
 

dougbce said:

link below is for webcam at Emporia St. University.  Doesn't look like any snow there yet.

http://emporiacam.emporia.edu/
December 9, 2008 9:17 AM
 

jacob said:

Gary,

Are we still agreeing with the snowfall map that Brett showed on the nbcactionnews.com weathercast?  The metro getting 1-3" and 3"+ to the south and west?
December 9, 2008 9:32 AM
 

flake said:

dougbce, I actually see the grass in the foreground starting to whiten up.  Snow must be falling, the camera just can't see it.
December 9, 2008 9:35 AM
 

KC_Hams said:

dougbce,

I'm wondering if the NWS increased the sensitivity of their radar which caused the spike.
December 9, 2008 9:36 AM
 

flake said:

Judgeing from the latest radar, snow should begin in the KC downtown area any minute now.....
December 9, 2008 9:36 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Ok now seriously, I have seen other radars that make it look like the snow is getting very close to where I am...like I said earlier, I am really bad at driving in this and I dont want to hurt my son who will be in the car too.  NBCs radar looks alot different.  Can someone tell me why they look so different so I know what to look for before I decide to leave work?
Thanks
Becky
December 9, 2008 9:38 AM
 

madnick said:

Ice pellets coming down at 147th and Pflumn
December 9, 2008 9:39 AM
 

reafamily said:

The main thing about many of the schools in this area of Missouri and Kansas is that there are so many gravel/dirt roads that are treacherous to drive in good conditions. In the City, you have the DoT who is out taking care of your roads, but out here we just have the local farmers who take care of the roads. I know of many busses that went into a ditch last year and do not want to see any of our kids hurt. Granted, I don't like making up the snow days later, I sure enjoy them when they come around.

Pat
December 9, 2008 9:41 AM
 

N2mountains said:

Sleet hitting the ground at Truman and Prospect. Let the fun begin!
December 9, 2008 9:43 AM
 

Mark M said:

A mixture of ice pellets and light snow starting to fall in Piper at 123rd & Hollingsworth.
December 9, 2008 9:46 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:

Got a quick second-students working on a final review!!

Snow and sleet mix here in Lawrence right now-radar returns are lite but I like the direction the bands are moving (I think??)

Have a great morning

Bill in Lawrence
December 9, 2008 9:48 AM
 

sedsinkc said:

Forecasting snow is so trying...The snow area moving into KC is looking more impressive now.  Starting to question my earlier prognostications, the snowflake contest looks like it has a good chance of ending today.  Too bad I'm not in KC to see it.
December 9, 2008 9:51 AM
 

KSCityKitty said:

Just started snowing here in Lenexa.
December 9, 2008 9:51 AM
 

MikeL said:

A stead light snow is now falling in downtown Topeka.  It began within the last 20 minutes or so. It is drifting into very small piles next to parked cars and the street curbs.
December 9, 2008 9:51 AM
 

camatz6 said:

Flakes are falling here in Tonganoxie...Wind is blowing...and temps are 28.  Woohoo...We may not get much but, 'tis the season!
December 9, 2008 9:52 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

 
dougbce,

MY wind station isn't always correct, I have a LaCrosse Tech. WS-2310

LaCrosse said that incorrect winds speeds are due to some electromagnetic something.
December 9, 2008 9:52 AM
 

KC_Hams said:

Snow falling in the Crown Center area.
December 9, 2008 9:52 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Sleet, and Snow falling here pretty good clip. Olathe
December 9, 2008 9:53 AM
 

bewild79 said:

i am thinking maybe i should leave now huh?
December 9, 2008 9:53 AM
 

ScottR said:

Light snow/ sleet at Crown Center
December 9, 2008 9:54 AM
 

pmccabe58 said:

Ice pellets are starting to come down on Wornall road, freezing rain also looks to be falling as my windows look glazy. I cant wait for the snow! I love NBC Action News and Gary and I know you guys are the most accurate, but all the other dumb weather stations are saying barally an inch. Presonally I want snow and I think we will get closer to 3 inches before its all said and done! At least I hope so! :) Have a good day everyone!
December 9, 2008 9:54 AM
 

RickyTim said:

Good Morning, Everyone -

As of around 9:30 a.m.,, snow here in Ottawa, Kansas - falling heavy and fast in small flakes with wind gusts. The snow is starting to accumulate on roofs and decks, while blowing across roads. BBRRRR!!
December 9, 2008 9:55 AM
 

Brocksmama said:

sleeting and flurrying here at 68th Terr. and Oak.  I can tell the temps have dropped and there's a pretty brisk wind.  Wish I wasn't gonna have to be out driving in this this afternoon.  Dea
December 9, 2008 9:56 AM
 

beckysma said:

snowing sideways in Mission
December 9, 2008 9:57 AM
 

SedaliaWildcat said:

Steve in Sedalia here again....just wanting to post a few observations. We has about .80 inches of rain overnight. I just went out to dump the rain gauge barefooted and my feet can confirm that the water standing on the ground is really cold. It's 37 degrees and the wind is howling. Just going to sit around and watch this thing unfold today. I'll post more info from the Sedalia area as the storm continues.
December 9, 2008 9:57 AM
 

madnick said:

Ice pellets have changed to light snow at 147th and Pflumn
December 9, 2008 9:58 AM
 

shoedog said:

light  light snow started at 132nd and Roe
December 9, 2008 10:00 AM
 

dougbce said:

the sleet and snow is showing up very good on the kcscout cameras
December 9, 2008 10:01 AM
 

jsfahy1991 said:

Snow and sleet in Gardner.
December 9, 2008 10:01 AM
 

flake said:

Gary/Jeremy,
based on the latest radar trends and moisture inflow, do you think the area of "heavier" snow may need to be adjusted N/E? *************** Gary will update the blog again as needed...but try to watch Brett Anthony at 11 a.m. for the latest. Jeremy
December 9, 2008 10:01 AM
 

Taxman said:

Snowing at 95th and Nall.  Started as rain and changed to snow in less than 10 minutes.
December 9, 2008 10:03 AM
 

jacob said:

Light snow in Lee's Summit...

Let's see what this storm has.....
December 9, 2008 10:05 AM
 

pmccabe58 said:

Ice pellets have turned into pretty good snow! Coming down fast and pretty heavy!
December 9, 2008 10:06 AM
 

WeatherHappens said:

Started snowing here in the past 5 minutes. Looks like its going to be an interesting day.
December 9, 2008 10:07 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Snowing pretty good here in Olathe, already a little dusting.
December 9, 2008 10:08 AM
 

littleladybugs said:

it has started in platte county towards farley
December 9, 2008 10:08 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

snowing nicely at the fort...
December 9, 2008 10:09 AM
 

triciainop said:

SNOWING HERE IN OVERLAND PARK!!!!
December 9, 2008 10:09 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

yay shifted north and eas put it right over the northland let it snow, let it snow
December 9, 2008 10:10 AM
 

weatherjaded said:

light snow falling in independence ---- 23rd and Noland   yeah!
December 9, 2008 10:10 AM
 

lv2teach said:

Here in SW Lee's Summit there are little ice pellets hitting my classroom window.
The kids are thrilled!
December 9, 2008 10:11 AM
 

moose948 said:

Just started snowing pretty good near Liberty (I-35 and 152)!!  
December 9, 2008 10:12 AM
 

VdoManZ said:

small flakes coming down small at a decent pace in the grandview triangle
December 9, 2008 10:13 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Gary, and everybody else,

Join the LIVE CHAT AT LRC WEATHER

http://lrcweather.com/index.php?option=com_jpfchat&Itemid=34
December 9, 2008 10:15 AM
 

madnick said:

Moderate snow........howling winds .............and a very busy bird feeder at 147th and Pflumn
December 9, 2008 10:15 AM
 

Teamster83 said:

113th and cookingham we have sleet and snow blowing almost sideways. THis system got some wicked winds and cold as hell could be near blizzard conditions if this continues with 1-3 inches.
December 9, 2008 10:16 AM
 

Holmes524 said:

Its snowing at Maple Woods Community College
December 9, 2008 10:16 AM
 

Jhwk33 said:

Seeing as how this snow has started earlier than anyone expected, can we expect our totals to go up?
December 9, 2008 10:19 AM
 

Emmysmom said:

Observations from my chair in front of the window :) starting to snow here near Liberty -- off of 291 and Stark.  Not sure if there is any sleet or anything else also mixed in, but I'm definitely seeing the snow blowing.
December 9, 2008 10:19 AM
 

pmccabe58 said:

Already a dusting here at Avila University
December 9, 2008 10:19 AM
 

heavysnow said:

Solid snow in Blue Springs, some sleet was mixed in when it first started.  


December 9, 2008 10:23 AM
 

TylerMac said:

Moderate snow here in eastern Independence!!!! Already a dusting!!!
December 9, 2008 10:23 AM
 

kccatdr said:

Light blowing snow at 64th & I-29. Enough to make the streets wet.
December 9, 2008 10:23 AM
 

pmccabe58 said:

Yeah this did start alot earlier than expected so will the totals go up??
December 9, 2008 10:24 AM
 

twistedsisters said:

We have a light mix here in Strasburg Mo (northeast Cass county) The temp is 30.
December 9, 2008 10:26 AM
 

GaryB said:

Recorded .65 of rain over night.  We're having a good sleet/snow mix now with most of it as sleet.
December 9, 2008 10:27 AM
 

GaryB said:

I forgot to add I'm in Lee's Summit.
December 9, 2008 10:28 AM
 

Jhwk33 said:

New Blog
December 9, 2008 10:30 AM
 

akm76m said:

From what I can see out the window at work, snowing in Lee's Summit (470 and Douglas).
December 9, 2008 10:33 AM
 

DfromWarsaw said:

mini snow/ice pellets(?) blowing in Belton, not really sleet not sure what to call it
December 9, 2008 10:35 AM
 

Kelli said:

Have to agree with penguin about the DOT trucks in Lee's Summit...they don't get out until it is too late sometimes.
Snowing like crazy here in LS...(another teacher here, too, by the way!)  And a dusting on the playground here already and on the parking lot.  We shall see what this storm does!
December 9, 2008 10:40 AM
 

DfromWarsaw said:

never mind what to call it, in the last 10 minutes it changed over to a real snow, coming down nicely in Belton
December 9, 2008 10:41 AM
 

Brent said:

freezing rain in Harrisonville! glazing already! bring the snow!
December 9, 2008 10:44 AM
 

jkearney said:

It is snowing nicely in Liberty.  I wonder how long this will go on for?  Hours hopefully.  As I look at NOAA radar it looks like the bands could train across us for a while.  Time will tell.
December 9, 2008 10:49 AM
 

DPannell said:

Started in with sleet, now snowing pretty hard here in Paola.....*sigh*...trying to find the bright side to all this.  I have to drive up to the city at 3:15 for an appt. sure hope it's not too treacherous.  It is pretty coming down ;).
December 9, 2008 10:53 AM
 

MikeTrainor1 said:

DPannell.... keep an eye on metro freeways via Scout. Not great, but should give you a good idea of what to expect. If you click and hold on the map, you can move it down 1-35 or 69, but I don't think they have cameras between Paola and south OP. Good luck and be careful!

http://www.kcscout.com/

mike t.
December 9, 2008 11:55 AM
 

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