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Can't wait to hear the rest.  I can't believe the cold temps in the forcast.  Looks like mid January.

KansasPatriot,
You mentioned maybe being able to unplug your frig in the garage if it got as cold as Gary says it will. I would not do that, you might need it to keep your food from freezing!

I had a massage on my phone from the Omaha Steak Co. last night.. They informed me that someone is sending me a delivery and that it should be here on the 15th. I only mention this because the message also said that someone should be home as what they are delivering is perishable, so it should go into the frig as soon as it gets here. I don't think I will worry too much about the delivery spoiling! The outside temps should keep whatever gets delivered nice and cool! :-)

Good Morning Bulldog,

I didn't know you were a Michigan girl!  I'm glad you're enjoying the weather.  I am too:)

DL

Oh yeah, ya know, as the bumper on our station wagon said
"say ya to the u.p. eh?"  So once again we have an upcoming concert Monday evening.  My daughter is getting nervous this one too may be cancelled. Speaking of Michigan if you owned a snow-mobile you HAD to go to school.  That is if you could get the front door open.

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I use to live near 'Da Yoopers Tourist Trap'.  Nothing like a shotgun the size of a truck outside a store:)  Or if you prefer there was the National Ski Hall of Fame nearby too.

Jeremy

Next week looks good.

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For polar bears.

Jeremy

I'm ready for more snow, but I don't want the cold.

I have a couple of pics from friends in Louisiana (Ponchatoula to be exact) They are so excited to see the snow.  They are originally from here.  Where can I send the pics?  I may get more later....
Becky
Parkville

OK, back to reality.  The storm is allegedly how many days away and the weather changes how many times a day?  Eventually we will get a 3"+ storm, a extreme cold and high probability of ice.  But to say a storm is 6+ days out, its is going to snow x amount and be x cold with probable ice is stretching it quite a bit I think.  There isn't even a snow pack off to our north or northwest to help the cold air, its too early for this season.  Ya see, some people on this blog and those who listen to the news broadcast take things to bitterly and cave in to their fears when they hear talk of a storm.  Why don't we all calm down a little and wait and see what things look like Sunday morning before we panic, or worse, get accused of over-hyping the weather.  Unfortunately there are enough people who have moved to this area from sunnier parts of the country with little or no experience when it comes to winter storms.  As bad as a situation that that causes there are those that have lived here their entire lives that don't heed warnings or use better judgement, hit the roads and cause serious problems.  As I said, Sunday morning will paint a more clear picture of what Monday and Tuesday may bring us.

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Interesting thoughts!  Our weather team is talking about an Arctic blast, but we have yet to mention any major storm. There has been, unfortunately, talk of ice and stuff from other stations, and it is just too far away.  So, I agree. Let's just relax and see how it sets up.  Forecasting a cold outbreak is easier than forecasting whether there will be a storm with it.

Gary

Are you still thinking the cold will come in after the Chiefs game Sunday? I am going to my first game this weekend.

Pat

WOW, It is now snowing in New Orleans!!!
I have also heard that there have been reports of thundersnow in some parts of Louisiana.  There are alot of excited children down there I'm sure, and I know snow can be dangerous ect. but it is SO rare down there I believe it is putting lots of smiles on many peoples faces. What I am trying to get at is it is nice to hear about a major weather event down there that is actually putting smiles on peoples(especially children's) faces.

I love when I see polar bears in my backyard!! :) Hopefully there will be a big storm while the nice Arctic Air is in place, 2-3' of snow would be nice!! :)

Did you guys see those pictures from Louisiana?  

4 inches of snow being reported in some areas down there.  LMAO!!

I remember when I lived in Texas in 1985 and San Antonio got blasted by 14 inches of snow and didn't have any snow plows.  

Nick,
Yea,they do have lots of smiles.  I have friends down there and they are just going crazy cuz there is no school and they get 2-4 inches.  When I lived down there, I was there for 6 years and the only time it snowed was when we came up here for Christmas.  Go figure.  I was told there was alot of snow eating going on lol.  Told them just not the yellow!!
Becky
Parkville

The 48 day pattern picks up on this very well.  A few questions/concerns popped into the head this morning while analyzing...
1)  It would make sense that in the winter, the moisture input is not as great, thereby cutting into past rainfall amounts, i.e. we had over an inch 48 days ago, and only about four tenths the past day or two.  When this pattern repeats again, around the end of January (28-31) could we expect a situation which places the storm further south, thereby giving us what MN, Northern IA, and NE experienced over us?  It's the moisture content that will challenge me; how much can the storm pull up from the gulf.
2)  Like I said, the past week and next few days match up VERY nicely with the 48 day pattern.  If so, then I see a big warmup next week.  This would correlate with the end of October through Election Day, where temps were 10-15 above normal and very dry.  So I see temps in the mid to upper 50s for most of next week after this "Brief" arctic blast comes in.  I know that the flow will be northwesterly, but look at where the airmass to replace it will be coming from.  Pacific Northwest tendencies are modified air coming across the mountains and warming more.  And I do not anticipate any distirbances throughout the week.  Something kind of pops up later in the week, but if anything, it would be some clouds and maybe a notch cooler, but nothing I can see putting down a blizzard.  
3) Now the good news.  Once again, plotting it to 48 days.  The week of Christmas looks like this:  Warm for the first three days, then a storm starts to build in.  This looks to be a classic four-corners' storm, digging deep down and pulling in a lot of good gulf moisture to work with. The concern is the temps and how they will be affected by the previous weeks' weather and getting the cold air in place for snow.  As of right now, it looks to be that the storm will be either on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.  This is a good/bad thing.  Good to see snow on Christmas, but at what cost?  After the storm, back to a cold blast, then warming right back up for New Year's, just in time for the next big storm!!
OK, enough rambling, as I have not had my coffee yet this morning.  That's probably why things might seem a little rambleous (is that a word?)
What say you?
BAClair
"From the Land of Crooks, er...I mean Land of Lincoln"

The weather people are the ones that need to be careful not to hype it.  I think it is ok if the rest of us talk about it.  If people are listening to anybody but the weather folks or a station that likes to hype than that is there fault when the weather does not turn out the way they thought it would.  Here in the blog, I think, it is ok to get a little carried away, We all love weather after all.  People need to remember most people in this blog don't really know too much about the weather, those that do may need to be careful what they post, but the rest of us are just hoping and dreaming. :)  I like coming here and reading everyone's thoughts about the weather even if it is way off.  


As far as saying the word ice, I don't think it matters if we use the word.  People need not get all freaked out until the weather team say ice.  Just because we talk about ice here in the blog does not mean it will happen.  I think the ice is so beautiful.  I never want to lose power, any kind of destruction or any body to get hurt but you can't deny that when the sun hits it on the trees it is so pretty.

Hope you all have a good day and a winter full of exciting weather!  LOL

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We don't care if people discuss ice storms, but it is when people are intentially trying to scare or hype up something that isn't going to happen that we discourage.  For next week there my be various types of precipitation in the Midwest, Plains, or South, but way too early to tell what will fall where. 

Brrrrr, if it gets that cold next week I think we had better get our wood stove going too. Not only that, in case something more than cold does materialize we are ready. Was Jack giving Gary a hard time last night about the long range forecast?? :o) Sunday in the 60's will feel good, that will be a great day to bring up some wood and get our garage cleaned out to store a vehicle for a week or so. Have a great day!!
Monica
Pleasanton

not to try to promote any one company or anything: but Columbia Sportswear makes great winter coats. Wait does the weather have access to like 250+ NBC Action News Jackets they could reward the bloggers with. I bet they are warm if they send reporters out in them. ;-)

any chance we could see highs...around...oh.... -10? I wish! Big storm please,big storm please! 3-4' of snow please, 3-4' of snow please!!!!!! :)

Saturday we are going to the KU game at the Sprint Center, we might have time to stop at the K-7 Wal-mart...

weatherfreak01: That's funny, I got the same exact message from Omaha Steaks on my phone, too!

Bring on the cold air and the snow!

Also, which personality will be at the Lee's Summit Wal-Mart on Saturday?

bellgolfMU12,

I like that idea!  I think the station should allow us bloggers to at least buy one of those jackets...after all, we are a 'part' on NBC Action News!  =)

I feel like I need to elaborate my last post.  I do not think it is ok to hype a storm but I do think that it is ok to discuss the possibility of one here in the blog as this is a weather blog.  I like to hear all the reasons that there could be a storm and all the reasons there might not be a storm, without all the arguing. LOL And what kind of precipitation we could get with a storm.  I like to read the discussions about it.  I don't think that is hyping it because we, or most of us here, are not weather people and nor do we pretend to be.   Thank you for letting me post my humble opinion here.  ;)

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We had some issues mainly last year when it came to ice storms.  But everyone has been really good with the comments this season.

Jeremy

TWC is predicting a 25% chance of a white Christmas for our area...hope it goes up!

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I think that is based on climatological data, not the forecast. 

Jeremy

WOW. I just talked to my buddy who is a manager at Home Depot and he said their generators are flying off the shelf. Its amazing how people panick when the word "***" storm comes up..LOL. I lost my power for 10 days in the big one we had years ago but I have yet to buy a generator. I figure one storm every 8 years or so isn't worth it.

Quick question on the cold headed this direction, are we going to be dealing with any sort of wind factor to make life a bit more  uncomfortable, or is it just going to be plain old cold.

I always say better to be safe than sorry but gee whiz people really do freak out about it don't they.  Most of the time stores will not take them back either if you end up not needing it, so they are out all that money just because they didn't watch 41 instead of the other channels, LOL  Of course there are other reasons they could use the generator so it would not be a complete loss.  

I find it hard to believe that this far south we would have a 25% chance of a White Christmas based on climatological data.  This is my sixth Christmas in KCMO and I can't recall having a White Christmas for any of those years.  Before moving here I lived 2.5 hours north in both Lincoln and Nebraska City, Nebraska for most of the four decades of my life.  I'd be hard pressed to admit there was even a 25% chance of a White Christmas there.

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I remember last year the morning climate summary had 1" snow depth at KCI.  Then the snow melted some Christmas afternoon.  I think last year would technically be counted as a white Christmas since there was a 1" snow depth at some point in the day.  Recently there haven't been very many white one's though.

Jeremy

Jeremy,
Thanks for posting that.  I called and told them it was on here so you will have a lot of hits on the blog from Louisiana Sonic people today!  They were very excited to see it on here!
Becky
Parkville

Gary or whomever,

Based on what yoknow so far from this year's LRC. What do you think the chance is of a white Christmas right now?

I love this forecasted cold!

Alex

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Alex,

I think there is a decent chance of snow around Christmas.  It should snow the week before Christmas as next week is that week.  Based on the LRC there should be one strong storm after next week before the end of the year.

Gary

JUST PLEASE DO NOT LET IT SNOW ON CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not only travel problems, but it will make many people have to work. Including my self. Please don't let it happen.

I hope if we are going to get this artic blast that snow comes with it because no one likes the extreme cold with out snow!

A note on generators, a good thing to have around.  We have only used ours once and it was in the summer to keep the freezer cold!  Mighty glad to have it for whatever may cause a power outage.  I too am enjoying reading the blogs as the forcast unfolds.  Lets just hope we don't need generators!  Audrey

Gary any thoughts on why next weeks storm has not looked as impressive on forcast models yet?  It sure shows they cold air but if this storm is related to the Oct. 22-24th (LRC) storm where is the moisture?  

davidmcg:
this morning at 8:15 AM you said:
"There isn't even a snow pack off to our north or northwest to help the cold air, its too early for this season"

Oh, but there is a snow pack in Minnesota, (my son lives there)..and they are in the deep freeze.

And GARY:
You said, in response to davidmcg:
"There has been, unfortunately, talk of ice and stuff from other stations"...

I thought your philosophy was not to mention what other stations are predicting....you broke one of your own rules there...for shame ! *smiles*

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Gary's rule is to never mention anyone by name...always use 'other station'.  But overall why watch them when you got us:)

Jeremy

Let's have that -20 F for lows!!!!

This LRC so far hasn't been conductive for any real snowmakers to get going in the Kansas City metro area - i.e. good 6-8" snows. The largest snow I have measured up at my house since 2005 has been 2.75" last winter.

I want a good, deep snow :-)

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So do I. Let's get the cold air in here and then see how things set up.

Gary

Jeremy :
"Gary's rule is to never mention anyone by name...always use 'other station'.  But overall why watch them when you got us:) "

I dont watch the "others"...
my point was to Gary....why even mention them on here ?
I know some of the bloggers do, but I just don't expect you or Gary to mention "other" stations predictions.

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I must have been out of my mind earlier this morning, or extremely tired.  It isn't worth even mentioning.

Gary

Andrew_Stafford said:
KansasPatriot said:
Does anyone know how I can link up with some storm chasers to go out on a run with them next spring to find some Kansas tornadic activity?
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I was wondering the same thing, now that Sean is gone. Is there another person who is a cheap as Sean was?

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Anybody know? Anybody? Maybe I need to get some gear together and me, my dad, and bro. go by ourselves again? (I know what people are going to say)

I have a generator.. Yes, I am one of those people. It is in the basement. :-) However, it was purchased for a different reason, earthquakes in So. California. After living through two large quakes and having lost most of our things in the Northridge quake, we bought a generator (as a lot of you know, being without power for a week to ten days sucks!). When we moved, it came with us. We have it in the basement just in case. That is were most of our tornado/emergency supplies are.

I think ice storms are pretty. I don't wish one, don't get me wrong. I hate to think of my family out and about in an ice storm. But to wake up in the morning and to see the trees gilded in ice as the sunlight hits them sure does makes them sparkle, it is pretty.

I am not even worrying about any storms next week. What will happen, will happen. I am just not looking forward to the Artic Blast. Do we have Artic blast every year and I just never noticed them too much?

So, to one and all, Happy Holidays and stay warm next week!

Audra

Jeremy or Gary,

With the storm system as small as it is dropping further south then the models showed last night, is the chance of some snowfall a bit higher in the Kansas City area tonight?

Bryan

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Bryan,

There is a chance of a few brief snow showers.  I will blog about it later if we see it materializing.

Gary

I have thought about going storm chasing with a group. But I would want to go so I can learn about what to look for, etc. I did learn stuff on Storm Chasers this season. I learned that when a cloud formation has something off of it that looks like a "horn of plenty", that is wind and moisture getting sucked into the cloud. I also learned that when a thunderstorm has striations (looks like horizontal layers) in the cloud, that is a sign that it is rotating. I have tried to watch the videos of the chasers on line when they are out and about, but I never knew why they were watching a particular cloud formation. So, I am learning.  Every little bit that I learn helps me that much more to help protect my family. That is my main goal.

Gary,

Something I'd like to see on the Action Weather Plus channel during weather "events" is a split screen (I'm thinking 4 would be a good number) split up as follows:

Pane 1 - Live Radar
Pane 2 - KC Scout cameras (rotate the selected cameras every minute)
Pane 3 - SkyCam cameras (rotate every minute)
Pane 4 - During severe weather, a map with the watches/warnings in effect. During winter weather event, the regularly rotating weather forcast/and other rotating stories would probably be okay.

Andrew,
I think I'm going to have to request that -20 F be a banned term 8^)

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Thanks for the idea! I will be looking at this possibility.

Gary

What a difference a year makes...
I just finished a microwaved pizza, and now I am enjoying a weather blog in my nice warm home, why do I bring this up? Because a year ago today I wouldn't be able to do any of that because about an inch of glazed ice covered St. Joe crippling its trees and power lines like it did in much of northwest Missouri leaving us like many people, cold and in the dark, literally and metaphorically as we had no T.V. or internet and our phone was/is through cable so without power for us = no phone.  We were lucky though, within 3 days we had power back while some had no power for upwards of a week.  I will never forget going down the "Belt" for those who are not familiar with St. Joe the Belt highway is the main Buisness lane in town, you know stores, strip malls, theaters, bowling alleys ect. and seeing it all quiet and dark, the traffic lights just hung there dark with most if not all of the businesses shut down and everything covered in a grey pall of ice. Today it is now just a memory as I type this, but all I have to do to see its lasting legacy is look out the window and there are still trees with hanging limbs and chunks gone from them.  Yes the Ice storm in my opinion is the most imprintable (if that is a word) winter event there is, even 20 inches of snow in December here will likely not be noticeable by March, or possibly a week after the storm, but here I am a year later and can still easily see the mark that ONE weather event, ONE storm system in an entirely different LRC made. Thought I would share these thoughts on the One year anniversary of that storm.

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Nick,

Thank you for reminding us.  I remember this day, a year ago, well.  Kansas City just barely avoided what you experienced.  One degree colder and we would have had it just as bad.

Gary

Andrew - Back in 1989 while I was in the Army, I was deployed to Alaska for Brim Frost.  The exercise is during the winter.   During this exercise the temperatures where Very Cold with high winds.   The wind chills were -65 and nothing moved.  I don't mind the cold, but don't need the neagtive temperatures...

I remember that same ice storm last year hit the Hutchinson, KS area hard. We had almost 1.5 inches covering the tree branches and several telephone wires were touching the ground. Plus, it was cloudy for two whole days after the storm so we didn't start melting until the third day. Many residents were without power for 3-7 days with some in rural areas reaching 17 days! It took until mid-May before city crews had cleared all the debris from sidewalks and homes.

Temps hovered between 31-32 throughtout the event and that rain was pouring!

For those that are wondering about the current snow pack, look at this map and tell me there isn't a snow pack to our north. Of course its not completely accurate, but it would appear the snow stretches from N Missouri and Nebraska all the way to the North Pole.

http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims_gif/ARCHIVE/USA/2008/ims2008345_usa.gif

Yes Gary, I remember you saying we would stay just above freezing for most of the time and we did.   You were a bit nervous as 1 or 2 degrees and we would have been in a mess.    Its why you guys are the best!!!     You are not only the best at long range forecasting, but your nowcast abilities are unbeatable... the blog is a huge factor!  

Thanks again for all you guys do and have a great time at Walmart, should be very crowded  :)

Nws Discussion about next week

FORECAST GETS MESSY BY EARLY NEXT WEEK AS A STRONG ARCTIC PLUNGE
DIVES SOUTHWARD ACROSS THE PLAINS. EXPECTING STRONG CAA TO BE IN
PLACE AS CURRENT SOURCE REGION FOR THE APPROACHING AIR MASS IS
CHARACTERIZED BY TEMPERATURES IN THE -20F TO -40F RANGE. CURRENT
INDICATIONS ARE THAT PRECIP WILL BEGIN AS RAIN WITH A TRANSITION TO
FREEZING RAIN AS SFC DENSITY PUSH ALLOWS COLD AIR TO QUICKLY UNDERCUT
ONGOING ISENTROPIC LIFT ATOP. H75 TO H9 LAYER COLD AIR LAGS A BIT
AND THE TRANSITION TO SNOW MAY TAKE A BIT LONGER. STILL TOO EARLY TO
SAY IF ICE ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE SIGNIFICANT AND WILL HAVE TO MONITOR
IN FUTURE FORECASTS. TEMPERATURES SHOULD BE COLD ENOUGH FOR ALL SNOW
BY MONDAY AND MAY SEE SOME ACCUMULATIONS DURING THIS TIME FRAME.

I remember the 12-11-07 ice storm quite well as well - up north of the river, I remember we got about .4 to .45" of ice before the temperatures rose above freezing. That rain was coming down like crazy - and if I remember right, there was quite a bit of thunder and lightning with it as well.

All I know is.... underground powerlines for the win!

f00dl3,

I wish I had those. :( But I dont

Looking forward to next week even though I hope everything holds off till Tuesday night at the earliest.

I remember an Artic Blast a couple years ago where it fell below 0 and the house was making loud popping noises. I guess a lot of people where concerned with their houses popping because the news media had a report on it.

I hope the artic blast goes poof and we just get a brief cold snap - not the deep freeze. I hate doing chores outside when it drops below 15!!

And I for one would rather not have any snow, even it is cold. It just makes things super messy and all the more harder to get around. Not too mention having to feed extra hay.

Just a random thought, but is that storm system affecting Hawaii our next big storm possibility for the day 7-8 period?

@Dwxtracker One of the best sources for US snow info is the NWS National Snow Analysis page. It includes sublimation and melting rates, average water content of the snow on the ground, and other good information. It doesn't show Canada or Alaska, but it's a great resource.
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/

Farmgirl, what was popping on your house? Was the popping something to worry about? Just trying to learn here.

I am currently watching the next to last Storm Chasers on Tivo. I have heard about the sky turning green in relation to tornados, but I have never seeen it other than in movies. All I can say is this episode really shows it, and wow! A sky that green would be freaky!

Gary said, "One degree colder and we would have had it just as bad."

we would have had it worse.......I measured over 2.5 inches of rain....if that would have been ice......

I like weather plus just the way it is. I like the current conditions on the left and the hour by hour on the bottom. I do like    KC_Hams  idea of a four picture idea. That would be neat to see. I could look at what ever information I thought I needed and move on. I have that channel set on my cable box to be the first channel when the tv is tured on. I love having it. I hope that it does not change to much.  Okay I am rambling but here is my last thought in the event of a "event" I would like to have a constant radar image. Larger than those ones on the normal channel that just get in the way of things and you can't make them out. Thanks! i will stop now.


ICE..........................................who said that? wasn't me.
PS don't snow on Christmas!!!!!!!!

What's the chance of severe weather with this cold front on Sunday?

Latest NAM depicts what looks like (based upon my experiencing judging the radar simulation) a few isolated low-topped supercells forming over Kansas City and evolving into a squall line as it tracks east across Missouri...

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/18/images/nam_ref_072l.gif

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/18/images/nam_ref_078l.gif

chfs327 where did you find that discussion? I went to go find it and couldn't. Can you please post the link? Thank you!

I laugh everytime they have "snow days" here. When I lived in the U.P. unless the snowplows were having trouble because 25+" of snow fell we went to school.

I used to have to walk to school in the deep snow.

What was cool about it was that it never warmed up enough to melt the snow so we kept shoveling snow on top of old snow. Before I knew it the snow was about my head and I'm 6'0 tall.

Anyone know the Da Yoopers band from up there? They had the funniest songs.

Ed,

Yes, I use that too great site. I picked that map because it showed Canada as well as the US, and sea ice.

@northlandergal Who doesn't know Da Turdy Point Buck? (ok... so maybe it's only those of us from WI/MI/MN.)

I agree though. It still floors me to see the stores clear out of bread, milk, and toilet paper when a 5-10 inch snow event is on it's way.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/2008121109/SREF_SCCP_MEDIAN_MXMN__f069.gif

? Maybe

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/gifs/2008121109/SREF_SCCP_MEDIAN_MXMN__f081.gif << This is the image I meant to link :-)   Shows a supercell composite of 1.

My opinion- I think we are all way to excited for the "LIGHT" precipitation next week. the main low is way north of us. If we were looking at 6'' of snow then i would be excited.

Northlandergal, it was "Thirty point buck" right that brought them fame?  What about Bob and Doug MacKenzie?

f00dl3, I wouldn't think the chances would be there for severe weather judging by the current nam and gfs unless the system slows down and draws in more gulf moisture. 50 degree dewpoints will be close but the eta model shows being shunted off to the east by 8am Sunday. If everything slows down, it could be possible since there will be very strong dynamics in place for this time of the year. Just need warmer temps and more low level moisture and a slower solution. Could happen though.

I hope we can go without missing any school next week. I think nearly every school in the area will be having finals and I am trying to cram a lot of info into my students heads right now. Missing review days or worse, the whole week, would be horrible.

I'm not sure, but Rusty Chevrolet is one of my favorite songs.

Northland Girl & Ed,

I was raised in Wisconsin & we used to get so excited to come to KC at Christmas so we could see the ground.  It was exciting when there were snowbanks up to your knees by that time.  I still get a kick out of all the schools letting out & laugh to think about how much money the grocery stores get out of bread & milk purchases.  I tell my kids they are lucky since we never had snow days.

The sunshine helped melt some of the snow here in Paola but about 40% of the grassy areas near our home are still covered with snow.  I took Windy for a hike in the park, it's pretty soggy in places and the snow that is left is heavy and wet.  I think what I hate most about snow is the mess, the muddy, soggy mess.  It was a beautiful day though, no wind and pure sunshine, what a treat!  I'm just curious about all the wind we've been having, is that part of the cycle of things to come?  Farmgirl, I hope that you get a break from the cold and the wind, I remember doing chores morning and night when the wind would howl through the barn and the walk from house to feeding stalls grew longer with each drop in temperature.  Good luck to you, keep warm and safe!
--deb

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Thanks Deb,

Give a nice pet from me on Windy's head.

 

Gary

Andrew I went to that storm chasers website and it said they are not doing it for insurance reasons anymore.  I understand that.  When I find something I will post it for you and let you know.  This spring it is going to be one of my goals to get out there with some storm chasers and get close to a tornado.  Heck, if I cant find anyone I will just go out by myself with a camera and weather radio.