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The wild ride of weather continues

Good morning bloggers, It's FRIDAY!

Today we will talk about the LRC, the wild ride, and a peak into Christmas week ahead, but first let's look at yesterday's recap.

An ice storm developed Thursday afternoon and evening over northern Missouri presenting many problems, but fortunately the freezing rain was scattered and didn't last long enough to cause any power outages.  Thunderstorms developed right over the KC metro area around 5:30 PM dropping some heavy freezing rain.  And, then temperatures warmed up to 50 degrees at 3 AM over much of the KC metro area, melting the snow and then the wind shifted to the west at near 50 mph drying out many of the roads before these temperatures crashed which has helped tremendously with the potential refreezing.  Look at the 3 AM surface map and the 8 AM surface map as temperatures have gone from 50 to 25 in the past 5 hours:

This next map is the 8 AM surface map.  Colder air is still rushing in but we should bottom out before noon and recover back up to around 28 degrees later today. 

 

In our winter forecast we thought the weather would have two very active stretches; one of the wild stretches was expected from late November or early December into the first part of  the new year, and the second one from mid or late January through February.  The wild ride was not predicted well by the computer models and this is where the LRC helps our weather team tremendously.  The LRC is all coming together as the final pieces of the puzzle have just about been put into place.  This is absolutely fascinating as I believe we are in a roughly 50 day cycle give or take a few days.  You can go to www.LRCWEATHER.com and click on the winter forecast to view the video and read through our thoughts before all of these pieces were figured out. 

So, what is next?  Today's cold front is acting like a weaker Arctic front as it recirculates cold air from the northern plains.  The true Arctic front doesn't arrive until Saturday afternoon, but it is going to blast through us tomorrow.  And, then there is a chance of a Christmas week snowstorm right around Christmas Eve.  It is still too early to analyze this possibility, but it has shown up on the last few computer model runs and it was predicted by the LRC weeks ago.  This storm next week is very related to the part of the pattern that produced a North Dakota blizzard in early November, and it doesn't mean it will snow here on Tuesday or Wednesday.  I do expect this storm to take a favorable track to bring us a chance of snow, but it is still four to five days away.  We will be talking a lot more about it in the coming days.

This has been a wild ride and the biggest winter storms of the season are very likely ahead of us.  Winter begins tomorrow.  I know it is hard to believe that today is the last day of fall, but it's true!  We will know its winter after the Arctic front blasts in Saturday afternoon.  We will be going over all of this on NBC Action News today at 11 AM, 5, 6, and 10 PM.  Do you like our new weather page at NBCActionNews.com?  Let us know what you think.

Have a great weekend and a happy holiday season.  Meteorologist Brett Anthony is back next week.  Jeremy Nelson and Jeff Penner are on vacation beginning Monday.  And, I get to track Santa and this crazy weather next week.

Gary

 

 

Published Friday, December 19, 2008 6:26 AM by glezak

Comments

 

Weatherfly said:

any chance for snow this weekend?

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Should be some snow showers tomorrow.

Jeremy

December 19, 2008 8:57 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

saying that it reached 50 is a stretch considering that the warmest i got was 39.5, kci 44.  we still have our snow, in fact the only snow that melted was the snow on my grill and lawn chairs, we will have snow on the roads, grass, deck, cars, etc.  it was really slick last night...

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Quite an amazing front to track overnight.  I knew it was mild when I looked out the window at 2 a.m. and the snow was almost gone! 

I think you are a shoe-in for a white Christmas pvt.

Jeremy

December 19, 2008 9:00 AM
 

supercell said:

All of our snow in south OP is gone.  Only snow left are the piles.  Kids were VERY disappointed when they got up for school.  Hopefully we can replace next week?  
December 19, 2008 9:10 AM
 

Ottawa said:

Not a stretch on the temps in Ottawa.  Around 2:00 a.m. we were at 52 with massive melting going on.  The only snow left this morning is where it was piled up from plowing.  However, I'm OK with that.
December 19, 2008 9:14 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

there must have been some sort of dividing line between major warmup and not so major warmup really close to me(icing, too).  here is a link for prelim ice amounts:

http://test.crh.noaa.gov/eax/?n=dec.18thicestormtotals

i am really close to that line, when i came home around 1130 or so last night there was considerably more than a .10", which is pretty much nothing.  we are sitting at 22.5 degrees right now, kinda stuck there for the past 30 minutes or so.  

question, your forecast of -8 monday morning, did you factor in potential snowpack? i know we might get up to another inch or so of snow(max potential), but we still have around 3" on the ground up here.  if not, it could be a bit colder than that...double digits below 0 perhaps? i just checked the record at kci for monday...its -23 degrees! yikes.  
December 19, 2008 9:17 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

it appears as though there was a broad range of observed conditions overnight.
December 19, 2008 9:20 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

when i went to work this morning, there were a bunch of curvy track marks and donut looking marks all over the snow covered side streets-looked like a lot of people struggled last night.

by the way, there is flurries/mist falling right now.  the mist is of the frozen variety.  
December 19, 2008 9:23 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Not to push to far, but I am realy concerned about snow next week. Using the LRC could you give possible outcomes. I would greatly appriciate it. I am not trying to ask for specifics. Just a general..... Snowfall amount time frame Within a couple of days. I know you did talk about it in your blog, but I guess I am looking for a bit more. If it does snow on Christmas Eve then I will have to work and possibly miss Christmas with my family. I am very worried about this. Thanks. Emali: kane@kc.rr.com
December 19, 2008 9:24 AM
 

TeacherInStJoe said:

I just ventured outside finally. The sidewalk and drive are a sheet of ice. The temperature has dropped to 21 and it is cold with the wind blowing. There is also some flurries flying around. I could hear cars driving down the street and it didn't sound like they were having too much trouble, just slick in spots. I hear the main roads are okay though. I'm glad I didn't have to try and venture out for school early this morning though.
December 19, 2008 9:26 AM
 

lvsnow said:

pvt_murphy, I was beginning to think i was seeing things, but went out again, and it is still flurries.  
December 19, 2008 9:30 AM
 

RDub said:

Pvt, another case where the huge size of the area covered by this blog makes a big difference...lots of people did warm up a lot. But people like you on the north side had it a lot worse. Near dowtown OP we only made 47.
December 19, 2008 9:32 AM
 

Brocksmama said:

Woke up around 4:30 this morning and heard the winds howling!  Was glad when I stepped out with the dog this morning that the sidewalks had melted of their ice and then dried out with the wind.  Last night was NOT a pleasant walking experience- solid ice!  The dog is already tired of this cold, and snowy winter- he's going a bit stir-crazy from lack of exercise!  Dea- at 68th Terr. and Oak
December 19, 2008 9:42 AM
 

kcten81 said:

I personally don't care for the new weather page because the radar is done in Flash. I typically check the page from my phone and am now no longer able to get the radar because my phone doesn't recognize Flash. (iPhone)
December 19, 2008 9:46 AM
 

Weatherornot said:

Question is will the snow that melted impact the temps any that are forecasted for Sunday and Monday.  Might we be a few degrees warmer now that the snow melted around KC?  
December 19, 2008 9:48 AM
 

95rred said:

Have not heard about any accumlation for tomarrow so I am assuming the snow showers have no chance to materialize into any accumlation. Perfect weather to welcome the Miami Dolphins on sun. Will it be about 5 at kickoff. Will be out there celebrating the death of king carl.
December 19, 2008 9:49 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I must of made it into the 50's last night. We had a lot of slush late last night all over the roads and this am it is all gone. Weird how one morning it looks like a winter wonderland and the next day it looks like fall. Then you factor in the temp swings....this is midwest living. I love that!!! The picture of the frost that Jeremy posted is what we had down here too. My trampoline net looked really neat and so did all the trees.
Monica
Pleasanton
December 19, 2008 9:51 AM
 

WXCOM said:

Hey Scott, are you coming in today? What is the weather forecast in cube 4A622 in building 6300.
December 19, 2008 10:08 AM
 

whirlygirl said:

Yahoo! My snow is all gone except for a few little peaks of piles from shoveling. My driveway and steps are perfectly dry this morning!

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I am happy the ice and snow are gone from my driveway too!

Jeremy

December 19, 2008 10:16 AM
 

morrell said:

Very happy that most of the snow is gone and pleased that the rain washed away most of the ugly black snow and salt.  Just what we needed!
December 19, 2008 10:41 AM
 

lfenmagic said:

I am driving to Texas on Tuesday.  Last year I got caught in Wichita and had to spend the night because of snow -even though they only predicted 1-2" of snow.  (That was before I discovered you and your great predictions).  Am I going to be able to make it to Texas on Tuesday with no snow?
December 19, 2008 10:41 AM
 

warmweatherfan said:

The LRC is pretty fascinating, even for a person who knows nothing about the weather.

It appears you guys have figured out the pattern is cycling every 50 days this year.. can you please tell me what the coldest days in February will be?..I can't put up with the frigid temps all winter and will need to take a vacation somewhere warm.

As soon as you have a theory on the coldest week in Feb..hook me up so I can book a flight somewhere warm! :)

December 19, 2008 11:04 AM
 

krisz said:

Jeremy,

Love the picture of the hoar frost.  I was telling my kids about this the other day.  Now I can show them.  Thanks so much.

Kris
December 19, 2008 11:06 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Good Midmorning to The Weather team!!!!

I am just checking in this morning-we for sure warmed up last night here in SW Lawrence but I still have some decent snow in the yard. The best news which is not significant accept to my two boys is the igloo and snow fort were able to resist the assault from the Barbarians from the South!! It was interesting driving home from the formal last night-as I was leaving the Eldridge downtown Lawrence, the temp. was 32 and by the time I got back home in SW Lawrence the temp. was 37-the warmer air was bisecting Lawrence right at that time-pretty neat really even if it was in the wrong direction for me this time of year!!

What a fascinating storm to follow as much as I disliked it. I did indeed give it a few choice words when I got home last night asking why it needed KC Barbecue when it could have gone through Stillwater and had some Eskimo Joes. That aside, I really think I did learn a lot from following this on the BLOG and getting information from the Weather Team. Thanks sooo much!! One thing I learned was not to jump the gun and go off half cocked so much on a model run (which was correct in that Topeka did not go above freezing until around 9 or even later-it wasn’t the RUC that was wrong but the silly person looking at it LOL) until I really think about where I am getting the data from-Topeka is not Lawrence and in a situation like this our more southerly location is a big difference. Hopefully, lessoned learned-we shall see huh??!! I think the other important factor is that for this area (Lawrence/KC) to get a significant ice event, the arctic air needs to be relatively new-not 4 days old. In 2002, the arctic front came through on Monday and by Tuesday afternoon, we had precipitation falling. A four day old cold dome unreinforced under assault from WAA here really is a freshmen corner playing bump and run without any safety help.

Time now to start watching the cold air advance for tomorrow!!! I know-I am weird-but in winter I love strong cold fronts-come March, bring on the warmth but for December-February I will always get fired up for arctic fronts and snow!! (my friends all think I am fraking crazy as well!!) I think on the latest surface charts, you can already see the front forming in North Eastern Montana-this will be another beauty to follow!! Unleash the hounds!!! (Putin’s hounds!!!)

Finally-about early next week: I do fully 100% believe there will be a fairly significant storm in the plains in the Tuesday/Wednesday time because I 100% believe the LRC has nailed this pattern harder than Martin Luther did his 95 Thesis to the Abby door. How it will affect us, the track, the details of course are all still up in the air but I fully believe it will be there. Between now and Sunday I can’t even imagine the scenarios the models will throw out-look at the difference between the 12Z Euro yesterday and 0Z this morning-12Z had Christmas as a blow torch-the 0Z not so much. This will be really awesome to track but to be honest, I am not going to look at a model output beyond the Sunday timeframe until the 0Z Sunday night-until then, I stop clicking at 18Z Sunday!!! I think (always my optimum word) this cold air will play havoc with model outputs. Thank goodness for the LRC!!!!

My oldest is so excited the igloo survived and my guess is that it will still be standing on Christmas Day!! It is the little things that make winter such an awesome time!!! Have a great day and as always, thanks for reading!!!

Bill in Lawrence


December 19, 2008 11:06 AM
 

krisz said:

Monica,

I bet your trampoline net did look really cool.  We didn't have hoar frost in south  KC.  I have been a long time blog fan but am new to posting. :)

Kris
December 19, 2008 11:09 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

bill, how did you manage to build anything with the snow? its was so dry and powdery i couldnt even make a snowball to throw at my unsuspecting wife...shame...
December 19, 2008 11:14 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

pvt_murphy:

We had a little bit of sun come out Tuesday afternoon and it helped alot. I made a huge pile of snow and packed it down as well as I could and then my oldest son dug it out with a crow bar and his hands. It is not the best by any stretch-in fact it looks kind of like a Charlie Brown Igloo but it he did manage to dig enough out to get his head and shoulders into it!!! I'll tell ya-it was awesome doing it!!! I just get smiles thinking about it!!! LOL

Bill in Lawrence

Oh-there should be enough moisture in the snow now that you could get your unsuspecting wife today....LOL
December 19, 2008 11:22 AM
 

LibertyB said:

I'm really hoping for snow around Christmas, I personally hate warm christmas days, looking at the ugly yellow grass lol
December 19, 2008 11:26 AM
 

marlina10 said:

I am crossing and double crossing my fingers that we get snow next week, just in time for Christmas! A lot of the snow is gone in Mission but I almost bit it this morning walking to my car. What I thought was a harmless puddle turned out to be a slick spot of ice. But by some miracle I managed to regain my balance at the last minute.
December 19, 2008 11:26 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

consider it done bill...
December 19, 2008 11:27 AM
 

f00dl3 said:

Let's throw away the computer models for a bit and just think about the LRC and common sense.

Our artic air mass is arriving Saturday afternoon - so by the time our "Christmas Eve" storm is due - based on the LRC - our artic airmass is already going to be 4 to 5 days old. Admitted - this is one strong artic blast coming down. But in reality, this is the midwest. If storms as powerfull as the northern plains blizzard do come to fruitation, we will be on the south side of the warm front - a very similar situation to the one we had with yesterday's storm system - but with up to one whole extra day of temperature moderation allowed in there.

Quite honestly, I think this may be another ice or possibly even purely rain event if we get anything at all out of it.
December 19, 2008 11:37 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Snow Please!! Gary did you get my email from 1230am last night?
December 19, 2008 11:40 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

HWO NWS KC "A STRONG STORM SYSTEM WILL PASS TO THE NORTH OF THE OUTLOOK AREA ON
SATURDAY...BUT CLOSE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE A CHANCE FOR LIGHT SNOW
SATURDAY INTO SATURDAY NIGHT.  HOWEVER...SNOW ACCUMULATIONS GENERALLY
LESS THAN AN INCH CAN BE EXPECTED."

I bet it will go south!
December 19, 2008 11:46 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Welcome to the blogging part of a blog Kris...hee! It is fun and when people respond to what you write and you know people are reading them it makes you feel good. This is a great place to learn, I love it!

Marlina...I was eating a sandwhich when I read your entry and I about choked from laughing when I read "I about bit it". I say that all the time too!! LOL! Glad you did not hurt yourself.

Take a picture of the fort/igloo Bill...would love to see it. I would love to be in your head for just a day to experience what it is like to be you and think like you. I just love to read your posts. Some of it is over my head..or I may not "get it" but all the same I love to read it. You are funny!!

My north facing thermometer says 32 degrees. I suppose when I get up from my nap later it will read something like 27. One thing is forsure I am not looking forward to coming out of work Sunday am....better Sunday than Monday though. Brrrr!! This is one of those weekends I drive the truck for the butt warmer...it gets warm before the heater does. :o)

Enjoy your weekend, happy shopping for those of you trying to get finished up.
Monica
Pleasanton
December 19, 2008 11:47 AM
 

chfs327 said:

For once I dont want it to Snow. Because Sunday is the Chiefs game. I already have to deal with a high around 6F and wind chills 20-30 below during the game. I dont wanna have my feet in the snow and have it being whipped around the stadium
December 19, 2008 12:03 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

I did not think I would say this, especially with a furnace that is still acting up, but I am looking forward to the cold snap this weekend. I think the issues with the furnace have something to do with the cold, if that is the case, then it will act up again this weekend and maybe the repairman can get it fixed. Crossing my fingers here.

Other than that, I hope that the roads and sidewalks are not full of ice come Monday for all those who have to go to work on Monday.
December 19, 2008 12:08 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The temperature change on the south side was wild.  I looked outside between 1:30 and 2 AM and it was still foggy but the snow and ice were melting.  I did not look at the thermometer since ours is not really accurate under the deck roof.  At one point, Springfield was 60 and Joplin was 62.  As the front passed thru, you could definitely tell that it did.  It was accompanied by strong westerly winds.

Kristi
December 19, 2008 12:31 PM
 

f00dl3 said:

Any word on if the NWS is going to issue a Wind Chill Watch for the region like they did up in Nebraska?
December 19, 2008 12:37 PM
 

chfs327 said:

F00dl3. I think they said there were just gonna put an Advisory
December 19, 2008 1:02 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

What happen to Action Weather Plus? It's the national feed, right now.
December 19, 2008 1:03 PM
 

Chickadee said:

Sort of kind of off-topic, but not really, as it has to do with the internet and TV service (both of which help us to access NBC Action Weather information, plus maybe problem was caused by the ewather) - is anyone else getting no internet or TV signal out of Time Warner?  Noticed this this morning when we tried to tune in for the morning news - all cable channels out.  Next, we tried a quick weather check online, but internet service was not connecting.  
December 19, 2008 1:13 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Hey I think you guys are going to beat us on the temp today.  Out here in McLouth we still have a decent snowpack, its 2.1 we have a nnw wind and our barometer is falling currently at 30.09 and the clouds are getting thicker.  Winds have died down some but not much.  Interesting I tried to post some weather info here early this morning but it is not shown.  Must have been others between 6:27AM and the time of first response to the current blog of 8:57.  Did the computer have a hiccup or burps again?
December 19, 2008 1:19 PM
 

Tawn00 said:

I'm very concerned about Monday AM's temperature & wind chill.  I teach in a fairly rural district and we have already used 4 snow/ice days!!  At this rate - we may be going until July.  LOL.  We have school Monday, Dec. 22 and a half day on Dec. 23.  Please tell me that the wind chill early Monday won't have us canceling school again!!
December 19, 2008 1:40 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Uh I messed up on the temp in McLouth, it was 20.1 not 2.1, must have been afraid of Sunday evening there.
December 19, 2008 2:01 PM
 

JeriCorrell said:

Chickadee, did you call Time Warner to see? I assume when everything is out it is something with my particular connection. Fortunately , I have Everest.
December 19, 2008 2:02 PM
 

Luthur said:

"What happen to Action Weather Plus? It's the national feed, right now."

It got the axe.
December 19, 2008 2:09 PM
 

BranDan9 said:

Snow! please!
December 19, 2008 2:12 PM
 

bewild79 said:

Tawn,
Sometimes the buses have problems starting when the temp is below zero so that is something to keep in mind...
becky
December 19, 2008 2:18 PM
 

W0XDL said:

Tawn00...it's a bummer you have a day and a half left.  I'll bet your building's attendance is super low on those two days.  I teach in a fairly evenly split district between rural and suburban.  We finished today with a half day.

I'll bet you won't have school on Monday.

DL
December 19, 2008 2:20 PM
 

Holmes524 said:

I was just thinking about the LRC and the promise for more wild weather in Jan and Feb.  Yesterdays storm will be around Feb 6th.  Wonder what the next time through will be like?  More ice?  
December 19, 2008 2:26 PM
 

5kckmartins said:

Scott

I sent you email at LRC.. if you don't get it. please email me.

Stacy
December 19, 2008 2:35 PM
 

farmgirl said:

Is there a prediction yet on the winds speeds for the Artic Blast and the duration of the wind. Is this an all day Sat and Sun wind with cold event?

Last nights 50 MPH was awful,especially since it was not expected. I left the paddock doors open thinking 10-20 is not too bad. Went out to the horse barn this morning and had shavings blown all over the aisle way. That is one of the main reason why I monitor wind speeds. :)
December 19, 2008 2:36 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Jeremy never responded back last night when I asked if he needed a Breathmint.

Maybe he brushed his teeth today. :P
December 19, 2008 2:38 PM
 

jmasters2007 said:

I sure am hoping for some snow next week. I like the new weather page with the interactive radar map.  You guys did a good job. --Jeff M
December 19, 2008 2:51 PM
 

weatherwunder said:

Chickadee, I have Time-Warner Internet only.  I signed on really early this morning without any problem.
Edna in Leavenworth
December 19, 2008 2:59 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

The New weather page is awesome!!
Well our snow has survived, as did some of the ice in the area, definitely a wild ride, looks like our chances of a white Christmas is pretty good, all we have to do is to not melt the snow/Ice that we have on the ground!
December 19, 2008 3:07 PM
 

bewild79 said:

chfs327,
why do you keep posting that?
December 19, 2008 3:38 PM
 

chfs327 said:

I have my reason Bewid.

Also Wind Chill Advisory
December 19, 2008 4:11 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Well I think its official now, the Mclouth area will never make it anywhere near 30.  Its 21.7 now and falling, our barometer is still rising.  NWS is also way off, they think our low will be 21 on their point forecast.  I bet it gets to 16 here tonight.
December 19, 2008 4:28 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

chfs327,
It sounds like you have a personal beef against Jeremy. If that is the case, this is not the place for it. I think this is a place for all things related to weather, not to attack others. Your constant harping on Jeremy is coming off as a person attack. Not cool!
December 19, 2008 5:38 PM
 

Greg said:

I agree completely with f00dl3's thoughts on the possible "storm" around Christmas. Look at what just happened, teens and snowpack yesterday morning to temps. well above freezing and rain! I've lived here going on 42yrs. and I can count on one hand how many times we've had a "snow-storm" on Christmas eve/day. That's my very un-scientific reasoning, I will now defer to all the "experts" on this blog to wish for... I mean forecast our next "snow-storm"!
December 19, 2008 6:37 PM
 

billig computer said:

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December 22, 2008 4:11 AM
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