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A look back and a look ahead....the LRC

Good morning bloggers,

 

If you were out of town you missed a very dramatic day of weather in Kansas City Saturedaycapping off weeks of ups and downs.  Severe thunderstorms moved in at 4:45 AM Saturday, then it was below freezing within two hours, and we had some freezing rain, and then the day finished off with snow.  Here are a couple of pictures:

 

The first picture was taken by one of our bloggers in St. Joseph.  Remember it was in the 60s earlier in the morning.  And, this second picture is from 161st and Nall where 75 mph wind blew through during a severe thunderstorm Saturday morning. 

 

 

We just completed a very exciting three weeks of weather.  In our winter forecast we predicted two very active periods, this one now, and a second one likely later in January through February.  And, we talked about the first half of January and the end of this year being a wild card.  Arctic air is still near by and this could present some rather cold and stormy set-ups even before we get to the next wild 25 day stretch.  Look at the snow cover chart valid yesterday:

 

 

And, Arctic air is building again stronger than during the past three weeks over Canada and Alaska extending over the North Pole to Siberia.  This will have to come down either in small doses or in a couple of big outbreaks.  This weeks pattern alone is fascinating and we believe that we are in around a 50 day cycle (48 to 52 days).  This is really coming together this week and for a full discussion on this go to www.LRCweather.com  and click on the blog as I go in-depth into this amazing weather pattern that we are experiencing.

 

Unfortunately, Kansas City is on the edge of extreme excitement for the winter weather enthusiast this season.  It has been an unbelievable snowy and cold winter season across the Dakota’s, Minnesota, Wisconsin, into the Great Lakes states.  And, Kansas City has only had glancing blows from the storm systems for the most part.  I wouldn’t call Saturday’s weather a glancing blow, however, as we had severe thunderstorms with damage and 75 mph winds to freezing rain just two hours later to snow by the end of the day.  We are still waiting for that first major winter storm.  They have been close, but so far it has yet to produce a big one in our viewing area. 

 

I still think there will be one or two storm systems where it all comes together and our viewing area gets hit.  But, as I look at the cycles I only see two or three storm systems capable of producing a major winter storm in KC.  We will need a major Arctic outbreak to be in phase with some kind of ejecting wave from the southwest. Or, a storm may form right on top of us later in January as it did right after Thanksgiving.  There is potential, but so far it just hasn't happened for us.

 

Have a fanatastic day.  I will try to answer any of your questions.  This is a very complex weather pattern as I am sure you already know! 

 

Gary

 

Published Monday, December 29, 2008 12:20 AM by glezak

Comments

 

Trainerman said:

Gary, do you ever sleep?

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Not much!

Gary

December 29, 2008 4:52 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:

Good chilly but nice morning to you sir!! Not bad out this morning at all!!

I am a bit late with this as I did not get a chance last night but I will take a stab at this: I say 7 inches on February 1st-I think it will occur at the transition into the active cycle when we have another true arctic front come down but this time unlike on December 14th a piece of energy catches the arctic front and then intensifies in that secondary long wave trough over western Oklahoma and rides up the arctic front. Hope it is still ok to throw this out there!! LOL

I do think (ok-maybe just wishing as a snow lover LOL)things come together 1-2 times for us this winter-this pattern has so much energy with it and the cold air has always made it to the party-now we just need it to bring a date which would be the moisture!! That secondary long wave needs to host the party and I just really believe that it will in the next two months-with that secondary holding the party and having the cold air and moisture comming to the party together-that is a party I don't want to miss!!!!

Looks like this week even offers a few things to watch-a front tomorrow and then that upper level low on Friday-I still wonder if maybe it is not being placed too far North and it doesn't wind up a bit further south than what the 0z GFS showed. I also noticed that the 0Z GFS shows some energy comming in over Los Angeles around Tuesday of next week and tracking south-this doesn't seem to fit with us being in the NW flow part of the pattern. It really is something though to see the models now latch onto the NW flow right on cue!!! Just awesome!!!

Well, its time to get classes ready for second semester-I'm not sure if I even remember what I teach LOL!!!! Have a great day and as always thanks for reading!!! I hope you are getting some sleep!!!

Bill in Lawrence
December 29, 2008 6:03 AM
 

Holmes524 said:

Gary I missed your guess for the snow from the question last night.  I have a couple of dates I would pick for big snows.  Jan 28th Feb 2-6.  Im going lower amounts so around 5-6 inches in the Northland.  
December 29, 2008 7:25 AM
 

barb15718 said:

Gary,
Has there been any official determination of what actually came through on Saturday morning? Was it a microburst or a small tornado? The debris pattern in my yard at 157th and Horton is in 2 different directions. Our air conditioner/heat pump was pulled off its pad and it is in a corner between the house and the garage. It was all very strange. Thanks
Barb

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Barb,

It was a bow echo which is really a microburst that spreads out from the parent thunderstorm.  The winds reached close to 80 mph in a few spots which lead to the damage.

Gary

December 29, 2008 8:05 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Can anyone tell me what Gary's guess on the snow question was?  I was taking care of my 5yr old and didn't get to hear it last night....
thanks
becky

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Becky,

I put it in the blog.  February 4th and around a foot of snow somewhere in the viewing area.

Gary

December 29, 2008 8:07 AM
 

NateB said:

Gary,

Just an editing note.  You mention in the blog that the thunderstorms moved in on Sunday morning.  I believe it was Saturday morning.

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Thank you!  Now you know I am tired.

Gary

December 29, 2008 8:20 AM
 

bewild79 said:

Thanks Gary,
I must have just overlooked it....I know you have heard of sleepwalking, have you heard of sleepworking?  I think I am doing that right now!  Although, Gary, I wonder how much you do that too! lol
becky

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Yeah, something like that!

Gary

December 29, 2008 8:27 AM
 

Weatherornot said:

Gary,

The wind damage was a bit strange around the 159th and Metcalf area.    I drove around the area behind Walmart and I would see several houses with large chunks of shingles missing, high dollar wooden play ground equipment tossed, many fences knocked down, even one of those construction sight trailer offices completely destroyed.   What was strange was I would drive just two blocks farther west in the same neighborhood a there was absolutely no damage at all.  No shingles missing, no fences knocked down.   A few bloggers had mentioned their wind meters clocking gusts over 100mph.   Could that have happened here?   I cannot imagine a 70-80mph wind gust doing that kind of damage.  
December 29, 2008 8:36 AM
 

Ross said:

I'm on vacation here in the Quad Cities.  I was watching the national news this morning in the hotel and all of a sudden this overpaid weather man started talking about all this wacky weather and there seems to be no explanation and things are going to be calming down...I just wanted to bust up my TV.

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They don't know about the LRC! One of these days, soon, they will.

Gary

December 29, 2008 8:54 AM
 

juniorfan32 said:

Wow another warm December day!  If it isn't going to snow a warm day is a good enough gift.  
December 29, 2008 9:07 AM
 

Chris said:

http://picasaweb.google.com/neo2299/StormDamage

I posted that link on Saturday...That's storm damage in Sibley, MO...That tower is rated to take a 100mph wind.
December 29, 2008 9:36 AM
 

mamaof3girls said:

I drove around that area of 159th and Metcalf Sunday am after work. I too saw a lot of damage. What crazy weather for Decemeber. My husband called me at work Friday night and said, "what is up with us being in a tornado watch!!??"  What a great time to have nice weather so everyone can take down there decorations outside and clean up there yards before winter really sets in for a bit. Before we know it Spring will be here. But until then I will enjoy the ride and I have a feeling disappointing snow totals for this area again. Oh well....I looked back on our pictures 2 winters back when we got 20 inches in one snow fall. Those pictures are so awesome to look at for a Kansas snow event. We all felt like we were living in Michigan after that storm. I think it was Decemeber 3rd when it happened. Ahhhhhhh memories!!!! :o) Enjoy the day and get some rest Gary and crew!!
Monica
Pleasanton, KS
December 29, 2008 9:37 AM
 

LuvsSummer said:

Gary,

I realize you're still evaluating a great deal of data in regards to the LRC.  My question is probably premature.  Right now, you believe that we'll have crazy winter weather the last part of January into February.  But, you also said the first few weeks of January are a wild card.  Does this mean, at this point, there is a good possibility that January will be a "miserable" month for those of us that are summer lovers?

Oh, my deepest thanks for the advice from the whole weather team when I traveled to Texas over the Holiday.  I was able to time my driving time to a window of opportunity to have decent weather to drive in and I arrived at both destination and then home again safely.  Thanks so much for all you guys do!

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Your welcome, and I do think that it won't be good for summer lovers next month.

Gary

December 29, 2008 9:56 AM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

When does the New Action Weather PLUS begin? 5pm today? 10pm today? I getting excited!!
December 29, 2008 9:56 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

its not as much about the peak wind gust as it is how long the gust lasts.  i have been in tropical storms that have had more wind damage than cat 1 hurricanes.  a 70-80mph wind that lasts for 5 minutes will do more damage than a 95mph gust that lasts for 30 seconds.  think of the energy difference as time increases...

also,  chris...im not trying to burst your bubble, but wind ratings dont mean anything.  especially to such a tall, high center of gravity structure like that.  my grandmother's hurricane straps on her mobile home were rated to take 115mph(cat 3) hurricane winds.  which should be fine considering she was located 45mph from the ocean.  when hurricane charlie came through the straps failed and her home collapsed.  the peak wind gust was a paltry 94mph at my house about 10 minutes away.  

the bow echo was impressive the other night, but wasnt anywhere near the magnitude of the one from june, and that one likely didnt reach 100mph either.  
December 29, 2008 10:17 AM
 

pvt_murphy said:

*45 miles from the ocean, not 45mph from the ocean...
December 29, 2008 10:21 AM
 

RDub said:

"Does this mean, at this point, there is a good possibility that January will be a "miserable" month for those of us that are summer lovers?"

Yes, there is a good possibility that Jan 2009 will be miserable for summer lovers. And also Jan 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, etc.
December 29, 2008 12:00 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Hi ovt_murph,
Are you talking about the bow echo from May 2nd?  The one that produced the tornadoes in the northland?  Charley was a category 4 hurricane when he came ashore.  It was a compact storm with a lot of punch.  Hurricane winds usually last for hours where straight line winds occur in mere seconds.  A structure like a mobile home can only take so much of a beating before it is destroyed.  I watch way too many weather-related shows and follow way too much weather. :)

How's the little one doing?

Kristi
December 29, 2008 12:21 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

gary, are you going to issue a prediction for observed january weather, i.e. warmer, cooler, wetter, drier?

what grade do you give yourself for december?

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Pvt Murphy,

I haven't looked into grading myself for December, but our forecast for the winter of below average temperatures and above average precipitation is right on schedule thus far.

We plan on making that January forecast into February and possibly March very soon.

Gary

December 29, 2008 12:25 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

* that last little storm really helped your cause in the precip department.  i didnt even realize that much rain fell.  i got less than half that in my rain gauge for the 27th.

A- for the month gary...since i am tired of receiving grades myself i thought i would dish one out for once! good job.
December 29, 2008 12:29 PM
 

LuvsSummer said:

RDub, you're funny!  I've lived in Missouri for 47 years now and have had Januarys in the past, that didn't bother me much.  "Miserable" to me, simply means, bitterly cold temps (we have had warm Januarys before) and multiple days of no sunshine.  Someone with good knowledge of historical weather data for January, can you please correct me if I'm wrong?  What have been the record highs, lows, snow, etc for January?
December 29, 2008 12:39 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Can I be Banned from this...
December 29, 2008 1:07 PM
 

kane1970 said:

From what??????
December 29, 2008 1:15 PM
 

marlina10 said:

Y'all are cracking me up today!
December 29, 2008 1:28 PM
 

RDub said:

Those tolerable Januaries don't come along all that often, Summer...and even those are not that nice...IMO. So even if 1 in 10 Januaries is not-so-bad, that means that there is 90% chance of miserable in my book.
December 29, 2008 1:47 PM
 

FlakeFan said:

The storm made my rain gage disseappear, for all I know it could be at the JoCo Airport right now!
December 29, 2008 3:55 PM
 

kcwxguy said:

Would it be immature to admit giggling in seeing this?

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/30day/off14_temp.gif

I could not have asked for anything better from the CPC than this forecast for January.  
December 29, 2008 4:22 PM
 

EGAMEMNAR said:

This has been VERY interesting weather.  I awoke Friday and headed for Minnesota.  The temprature here (KC)  when I left (11 am ish) was 60 ish and very humid.  When we hit the Iowa border, although a bit cooler, horrible dense, dense fog, like couldn't see the car in front of you fog all the way to Bloomington MN were the temp was 40.  it was very odd for winter especially since MN still had mounds of snow piled on the sides of the road.  So Saturday we hear that there is ice in Des Moines and thunderstorms, ice and snow here in MO.  We were safe and sound with no bad weather in Minnesota...
December 29, 2008 4:23 PM
 

BranDan9 said:

I noticed new maps, and music on Action Weather Plus!! Is this the new one?

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Yes, the new one is on.  And, we will be adding more to it soon.

Gary

December 29, 2008 6:21 PM
 

KC_Hams said:

I like the new, local, Action Weather Plus.
December 29, 2008 6:47 PM
 

BranDan9 said:

I luv it too!!
December 29, 2008 7:12 PM
 

BranDan9 said:

You should put the current time somewhere on wxplus, and could the L-bar have a radar pic on the side in current conditions area?     I love it!


Andrew
December 29, 2008 8:14 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

New Blog soon?
December 29, 2008 8:31 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

didnt quite make it to near 60 today did it? i think the forecast low of 38 needs to be adjusted for tonight-its already down to 30 here.
December 29, 2008 9:21 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Where is everybody?
December 29, 2008 10:46 PM
 

Brent said:

"If you were out of town you missed a very dramatic day of weather in Kansas City "

lol...my luck...
December 29, 2008 11:19 PM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:
Good beautiful morning to you sir!! It is indeed very nice out this morning-a little chill in the air but nothing too overbearing. We do have some ice that has formed on a few sidewalks that has moisture left over from the snow melt-one of them caught me this morning LOL!!!!

Ok-I am going to kind of think out loud again here-very scary prospect for sure, but here it goes!!

1. I think that the two cold fronts this week-tomorrow and then the one around Saturday are the systems that established the NW flow regime we saw from mid November to early December. I am still wondering if maybe the models still do not have that upper level low this weekend (which I think relates to the system we had around the 13th of November) too far to the North-it is kind of taking the same path as it did in November maybe even a bit further North. That being said, I think these are what will set up the overall NW flow regime.

2. I have been kind of wondering about the system that both the Euro and GFS are hinting at for next week in regards to how it tracks (and here is where I really begin to make myself look foolish LOL) Looking at November 13th through Thanksgiving weekend, there were two systems that tried to undercut the NW flow. The one around the 19th came onshore in California and got crushed and then there was the one around Thanksgiving weekend that gave us the light snow. I think that the one the models are showing for next week is the one that got crushed by the NW flow in November but I think what the models are showing for next week does indeed fit the pattern. Am I even making any sense here??

3. When I first saw the hints of some kind of storm for next week tracking that far south I didn’t think it fit but now I think it does and this time there is more energy with the jet to keep it from being squashed as it was in mid November. The temperature contrasts between here and Canada and even the Dakotas is enough to maybe give this a different look this time through.

4. One last little point: Canada and even the Dakotas have not really warmed up-so many times when we get into a zonal flow like we have seen this past couple of days even southern Canada and the Dakotas will warm up but that has not really happened. Thus, this time the NW flow may have some surprises. Not only with some clipper type systems but also the two times in November when we had energy try to undercut the NW flow. These two set ups could give us some interesting weather and I think we are seeing the hints of that for next week.

Ok-I’m done-I have probably made myself look foolish enough as it is LOL!!! I noticed on the surface charts this morning that the front/wind shift line has become visible so even though it won’t be some behemoth front tomorrow it will be fun to track!!!!

Have a fantastic day-what a fascinating pattern to follow!!!! Thanks as always for reading!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Bill,

Great observations as usual.  We are just not in the right spot. It doesn't mean it won't all come together a couple of times, I sure hope so.  Next week fits like a glove into the part of the pattern that happened in the middle of November and it didn't quite produce a storm then, and I am concerned it won't quite come together again this time.  Oh, it did produce a storm, just not quite here.

Gary

December 30, 2008 6:26 AM
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