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The LRC 2008-2009 & Long Range Forecast

It is time to use our knowledge of the LRC and make predictions for the next few days, weeks, and months.  You can learn a lot more about the LRC at www.LRCWeather.com, and meteorologist Jeff Penner and I discuss what is expected to happen on the following link:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=436709@kshb.dayport.com&navCatId=3721

Summary:

The “long term” long wave troughs and ridges set up across the northern hemisphere by early to mid October.  And, now we are experiencing this year’s LRC in Spokane, Wa where they are setting snowfall records this winter.   This years LRC is exciting for the weather enthusiasts across the Dakota’s through Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and northern Illinois where Arctic air blasted in with many storm systems.  Snow has fallen in locations that rarely see any snow at all like Las Vegas, Houston, and New Orleans.  Other areas have been missed by the weather excitement.  Even in our viewing area we are still waiting for our first major winter storm of the season.  Rich Hill, MO and across the border to Pleasanton, KS have had less than an inch of snow this entire season thus far.  All of this is directly related to the LRC which is the weather pattern that evolved in the fall and is cycling now.    

 

The 2008-2009 LRC Cycle:

 

The “long term” long waves are of extreme importance when using the LRC to make seasonal forecasts.  But, it is the cycle and knowledge of how the weather pattern is cycling in and out of its various phases that allows us to make much more specific forecasts.  This year we have found the cycle length to be approximately 50 days give or take a few days.  Last year the cycle length was closer to 52 days.  In 2007-2008 the cycle length was around 45 days.  Remember “the storm” that seemed to happen right on schedule every 45 days that year, and predicted by us weeks ahead of any computer model!  So, each season has a different cycle length. We still haven’t found the cause of the cycle or the LRC, but we are doing ongoing research in this area.

 

To make this forecast we are using an average of around 50 days for the cycle length.  If the cycle length is just two days longer or shorter at around 52 or 48 days then the dates below could be off by 5 to 10 days as we go into the next few cycles. Assuming the pattern began around October 2nd, 2008 and using the average 50 day length we can define each cycle below:

 

  • First cycle:  October 2-November 21
  • Cycle #2:  November 21- January 10
  • Cycle #3:  January 10-March 1
  • Cycle #4:  March 1-April 19
  • Cycle #5:  April 19-June 8
  • Cycle #6:  June 8-July 28 

 

We believe the LRC weakens and falls apart back into more of a chaotic pattern late in the summer and gradually evolves and morphs into a new weather pattern each September and into October.  We are also convinced the pattern never stops cycling with the cycle length going through a transition by mid-summer.  This is something we are just noticing in the past two years.

 

 

 

The LRC Long Range Weather Forecast

Issued January 7, 2009

 

There are phases within the entire 50 day cycle that occur at regularly scheduled times.  There has been a dominant eastern midwest into a Great Lakes trough, this is one of the phases the repeats quite often.  There is also a phase that allows for a retrogression of the troughiness into the western United states, but even when these western storms did form they would still regenerate and intensify as they approach the more dominant trough.  Kansas City has just been in the wrong spot for any major winter storms.  We have yet to see even one upper low track south of our area. It is difficult to have a major winter storm in your area without an upper low tracking south of you.  It can happen, but it isn't as likely.  These conditions are continuing, but we will get a late winter twist to the pattern and it may produce that one or two bigger storm systems.

 

January 10-18th:  North flow aloft from Canada develops, but should break down by the end of this period.  Some rather strong blasts from the Arctic will fully affect the northern plains and the Great Lakes states.  Kansas City will get two or three cold blasts from the Arctic build up that is just waiting to attack us.  There may be some minor precipitation events with some small snow accumulations across the viewing area with disturbances coming in from the north and northwest.

 

The two maps below are quite fascinating.  This first map was shown during our winter forecast on NBC Action News (November 24th).  We were concerned that this trough would place us in an unfavorable spot for major winter storm systems.  The second map below is the actual forecast for next week.  This has happened many times in varying strengths during the season.

 

 

 

The map, below, is the GFS forecast for Tuesday, January 13th:

 

 

January 19th-23rd:  A stronger storm system will likely form near the central plains states during this period, but it strengthened just east of us the last time through the cycle and I am concerned that this is another storm that will not quite get its act together here.  Another strong cold front will move through but a warm up is likely in the transition that is about to happen into the next phase of the 50 day cycle.

 

January 24th-31st:  We are expecting a drier period again across the central plains with Arctic air reloading across Alaska and Canada, likely stronger than at any other time this season.  This will be setting the stage for a huge Arctic outbreak and the initiation of the active part of the pattern for our part of the nation.

 

The map below is the actual 500 mb chart from December 14, 2008.  This part of the pattern will likely return around February 2-5th, and then again around the last week of March.  This part of the pattern was the wildest and stormiest across the United States.

 

 

February 1st-15th:  The active and stormy phase of the pattern will return with many opportunities for heavier precipitation.  The two week stretch of December 11th to December 25th produced some rather exciting weather set-ups across the United States, but Kansas City did not experience a major winter storm.  We are expecting one or two major winter storm systems this time across the Kansas City viewing area with the February twist.  If we are going to see a major snowstorm it will happen in February this year.

 

February 16th- 28th:  Arctic air still invades the United States with some huge temperature swings continuing.  The active part of the pattern should end in the middle of the nation as we move through this stretch of days, but there still may be one more storm before it calms down and warms up by the end of the month.

 

March-April:  As spring approaches the weather pattern will likely begin producing some very different results at the surface.  The jet stream will be retreating and weakening very slowly during March.  The active phase of the cycle will return during the last week the month of March and we are still analyzing how this LRC will behave at this time.  Will the winter blasts return or will spring win out.  April will likely begin wet and stormy, but the quieter part of the pattern returns for the second half of this fourth month of 2009.

 

Forecast for Kansas City:

 

  • Near to below average temperatures will continue
  • January will have below average precipitation
  • February will have above average precipitation
  • KCI will end up with around our winter forecast of 20-25 inches

 

I hope you all enjoyed this forecast.  It took a lot of work and we will answser any questions as time allows, and of course we welcome all thoughts and ideas. 

 

Gary Lezak

Chief Meteorologist NBC Action News

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Published Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:08 PM by glezak

Comments

 

radman22 said:

Wow, that was informative and extensive.    Thanks for all your hard work guys.

Looks like the LRC is a real tool to forecast the future.    While it is depressing we have a small window for decent snow, just knowing when it will be and when to expect it this far out is amazing.  

It should be interesting to follow the next few months and give you a final grade for winter.   So far I would have to give you an A, since you were very close so far.     This time around we will grade much harder since the cycle is more defined :)

Again, thanks for all your hard work and the time you guys put in pouring over the maps.

Joe
January 7, 2009 9:51 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

Very informative, seems like we will need a few breaks, but we might still get a good one out of this winter yet.  Will look forward to February!

Matt
January 7, 2009 10:12 PM
 

RockportHarbor said:

The only question I have is...how cold do you think it could potentially get with one of these major Arctic outbreaks?

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If the February one develops it will likely drop us to well below zero.  I am expecting that to happen.

Gary

January 7, 2009 10:35 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Hoping for big storm! Found out that I got an F in Elementary Algebra at JCCC got to take it again this semester :(

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Keep working at it Andrew.

Gary

January 7, 2009 10:39 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

How cold? -10F?
January 7, 2009 10:39 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

What happen to the music on AWP? For ESP and the maps it's silent

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Did you notice the other subtle changes we are making.  We will get the music fixed tomorrow.

Gary

January 7, 2009 10:43 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

When you say that, "If the February one develops it will likely drop us to well below zero", does that mean with or without wind chill? Also, which parts of the viewing area are you expecting this to happen to? I'm sure I am not the only one wondering this since the viewing area is so large.
Audra
January 7, 2009 11:33 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Thanks for the informative forecast, it sure will be interesting to follow hopefully we get that one good twist for the area at least;)  Looks like March will come in like a lamb and out like a lion this year, and Superbowl Sunday looks like we should be having one heck of a front to be tracking somewhere in the plains!
January 7, 2009 11:34 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

jimmymac,
I don't recall Gary saying above average snow fall when he made his predictions for the Winter. I do recall above average precip. and as I recall his guess for snowfall for the Winter season was just average, not above average snowfall totals.

Just be happy that we get weather. Back in So. Cal. it was sunny 95% of the time. If it sprinkled 4 sprinkles and the world came to an end, cars would crash, mud slides would occur because the hills were so dry, they could not absorb the rain. Of course with all the sun (and cars), came the smog and poor air quality days. Not being able to see even a mile without it being all hazy from the smog was normal. Of course you had the days when the air quality was so bad because of the smoke from all the brush fires. The sky would be orange from all the smoke and it would rain ash on everything. So I for one am going to enjoy the 4 seasons that we get. Each one is unique and beautiful in its own way.
January 7, 2009 11:48 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

A little bit Gary. Also this isn't any biggie but sometimes you are getting cutoff just before your done with the weathercast and some of the graphics during the weathercast have a little bit of it getting cut off. I could barely see the word Feb then it was the end of the TV screen. I think it depends on the TV Size,but not sure. I watching it on the small TV in my room. Yesterday I saw you guys had the L-Bar in Build mode changing the temps, I didn't know you could edit the L-bar forecasts, I though that they were just random computer model forecasts.
January 7, 2009 11:53 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Does anyone remember when Gary asked us a week or two ago, to predict when we were going to get our big snowfall and how much snow we were going to get? I know that it was all done tongue in cheek, but I think the winner should get a LRC tee shirt. I know that my wild guess was Feb. 14th and it looks like I might be close. It will be fun to see when it comes and how much we get. Nothing beats the first snowfall for us in 05. I think we got 10" at the house. My husband had to get up early and plow the driveway since new kitchen counters were due to be delivered that day. It is still fun to look at those pictures and see all that snow.

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One of the new t-shirts with Breezy and Stormy on it would be a nice prize.  I will have to go and look back at that night.

Gary

January 7, 2009 11:54 PM
 

RickXTN said:

As I've referenced in the past (frequent reader, rare blogger) I pretty much observe the LRC in the simplist and most general terms.  That being said, so far one thing that was said in the long range winter forecast at the end of November is holding true.  That was that December would be fairly stormy/active and then January would quiet down with more storms coming at the end of January and into February.  When I talk to people while at work (50s style diner) and bring up the LRC to people who may not know about it, these are the things I mention to them.  I never know how many of them actually store what I say to memory but you never know.

Last year it was telling people, "Notice how it's snowing or doing SOMETHING every few days?  Let's see if it rains/storms every few days in the spring and early summer.  Guess what?  That's EXACTLY what happened last year!  This year's seems to be, in general terms, about 3-4 weeks of active/stormy weather and then 3-4 weeks of quieter weather.  Of course, we also have these recurring temperature crashes, too.  LOL

I love observing weather events with the knowledge of the LRC as I now view things TOTALLY different than I did 2 years ago.  :-)

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Wow, you  may consider this noticing the LRC on the simplist of terms, but you have it down pretty good.  That one point I made during the winter forecast has amazingly held true.  The active period is on the horizon.

Happy New Year and thanks for the great comments this morning.

Gary

January 8, 2009 12:13 AM
 

imajhawk said:

Wow! Quite informative and insightful, makes this boring January weather seem almost exciting!

I'm really looking forward to the active part of this cycle. I know you suggest that we'll have at least one or two major winter storms finally hit KC, taking that into consideration with the subzero temps you are expecting right now, do you think that we'll see (what seems to me to be) our "requisite" full-on ice storm this year? I know we had a minor ice event in December (as I almost died trying to walk to finals that Thursday night), but it wouldn't be KC without an ice storm!!!

This makes it all the more frustrating to not be able to take my meteorology classes until next fall!!

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There could be a set up for an ice storm, but like we saw in the last cycle it just didn't quite happen.  Let's just see how it sets up next month.

Gary

January 8, 2009 3:21 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary:
Good beautiful morning to you sir!! Currently sitting at around 32 degrees this morning under clear skies-very nice out this morning!! Going to be a very nice and warm next 24-30 hours before the front blows through tomorrow afternoon-a bit breezy (well, probably down-right windy after the front comes through LOL) but overall the next 24-30 hours should make the “normal” (normal as in not obsessed with winter weather like myself!! LOL) folks pretty happy!!!

First of all I wanted to say thanks so much to Gary, Jeremy, and Scott for the kind words yesterday-I am trying to learn more and more and keep plugging away in my own weird fashion but to be honest I still think one has to use the old mantra that even a broken clock can have a decent idea twice a day!!! LOL

To the main point of my writing this morning: Excellent job Gary on the forecast!! I can only imagine how much work/time this took to put together and it is presented very very well!!! The video segment of you and Jeff was very well done and to me did an excellent job of showing what has happened and how that relates to what will happen. The graphics are well done and really show the hobbyist/casual weather observer how this pattern is working!! Great collaborative effort by Gary and Jeff!!

I kind of have Caesar’s “Let the Dice Fly High” in my head before he crossed the Rubicon-you have put this forecast out and there is no going back. It is in my opinion quite specific for a 2 month type forecast giving 4-7 day ranges of each type of weather-that to me is pretty darn specific this far out!! A note about the Caesar quote: Caesar did not say that so much because he thought he was taking a gamble-he always knew that he was going to win and never had any doubts about it-same thing here-the confidence in the forecast is there because of all the hard work you and the team have done to make this forecast and all of the research you have done-in other words, you can let the “dice fly high” and make a specific type of forecast because of this hard work. It all did not go perfectly for Caesar and every detail of this forecast may not exactly work out (i.e. will that secondary long wave stop being agoraphobic??) but Caesar won as will this forecast!!!   Does this analogy even work?? I hope it does!!!! Kind of trying to combine my two obsessions-ancient Roman history and the weather!!

This is going to be so much fun to follow the next 2 months (and I wonder if early April may not be very cold compared to normal-maybe a late year snow-wouldn’t that be ironic-we get a big snow dump in early April when everyone including me is ready for warm and thunderstorms!!!) beginning with tomorrow and the return of the Thanksgiving weekend southern energy sometime later next week. It is also fun to watch parts of the active cycle begin to show up on the models in very subtle ways-the 0z Euro today at 240 shows another Polar Vortex trying to form and come across into the Yukon-same thing was occurring around November 28th (I think???) Here we go!!!

Finally: Thanks for sharing all of this information-there is nothing in the broadcast laws that says you have to share this information/make a long range prediction that is specific thus leaving yourself out for much criticism. In the end, that says a lot about you Gary and Brett, Jeff, and Jeremy that you will share ideas and help weather enthusiasts to learn and get better-your passion for the weather for sure shines through for the best example of passion is trying to teach others!!!!

Have a great day sir and thanks again!!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Great thoughts this morning Bill!  Are you really at 32 this morning(or was that meant to be 12 or 22)?

Jeremy

January 8, 2009 5:59 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Jeremy:

Oops!!!! we are at 19!!!! I have yet to get a weather station for the new house and was looking at the temperature from the LJW-big mistake!!! LOL Lesson learned!!!

Thanks for the kind words Jeremy-have a great day-hope you can get out with your two daughters this afternoon and enjoy the weather!!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Bill,

The kids really want to get outside.  I did go for a walk with the youngest on Tuesday when winds were light.  They really want to go to the park...is it Spring yet:)

Jeremy

January 8, 2009 6:16 AM
 

LuvsSummer said:

After reading about the long range forecast, I've decided, it will be a good time to crochet an afghan.  I think I'll do one in bright summer colors, to make me think hot sunshine while I survive the upcoming "yuckyness"[is that a word?] coming in February.

Thanks very much for explaining the LRC in terms that I can understand.  While I'm not a "weather freak", meant in the kindess way, I do appreciate that you guys take the time to explain things in a way even I can understand.

Have a great day, Jeremy!  I always watch you while I'm preparing for another work day.
January 8, 2009 7:04 AM
 

sheldan said:

Well, like many others I am looking forward to the activity to start again later this month.  I hope everything pans out.  Now for my dumb question of the day.  I have heard in the past that KC is in a hole, and that is why storms pass us by so often.  Is there any truth to this theory?  Thanks for all your hard work, it helps during this quiet time to have something to look forward to in the coming weeks!  Have a great day, and get some rest, sounds like there won't be much of it in Feb!

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We are not in a hole.  No matter where you live there will be times that you will feel this way.  When I was in Norman Okahoma going to college they called it the Norman Pit Affect.  There is the Tonganoxie Split.  So, it just seems that way at times.

Boomer Sooner!

Gary

January 8, 2009 7:45 AM
 

kane1970 said:

Gary what is the high going to be today? On the top of the weather page in Todays forecast hourly it says 42. Then on the 7 day it says 35. I am not trying to be a pain in the butt but I have work that is very temperature sensitive. Will it get warmer than 35?

Thanks.

Awesome job with the LRC! Not looking forward to the Arctic blast in February. It is going to be soooooooo cold.

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Always use the 7 day forecast.  It is the one we keep updated all of the time!  Some of the others are computer generated.

Gary

January 8, 2009 8:34 AM
 

beckysma said:

Loved today's blog.  Can't wait for the first half of February!
January 8, 2009 8:41 AM
 

marlina10 said:

I hope you are right about us getting a real snowstorm or two in February. I would hate to think we will finish the winter with so little snow!
January 8, 2009 8:53 AM
 

jhawk62798 said:

thanks for the great info.  One LRC related question.  You say we're in a 52 day cycle, but when you put your cycle date ranges you have the cycle ending and beginning on the same day.  In essence, does this compress the 52 days by double counting the beginning and ending day and will this lead to forecast error in some of the later periods?

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Yes, I sort of double counted the same day.  It will still be a close estimate.

Gary

January 8, 2009 9:00 AM
 

sedsinkc said:

Bill in Lawrence said it best re this LRC forecast, all the effort that went into it, and the risks it entails.  Hope you all nail this forecast on the head, even dreading the anticipated major Arctic air intrusion in the first part of Feb. as it's when I'm scheduled to be back in KC.

BTW 70 degrees expected here in north Texas today and tomorrow.

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The thing about this years LRC, even in February we will likely see the ups and downs.  If the storm systems form, then we will see warm air pulled in ahead of each storm.

Gary

January 8, 2009 9:04 AM
 

kane1970 said:

So that would mean a high of 35?
Thanks Gary!!

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Yes...35 on the 7 day.

Jeremy

January 8, 2009 9:15 AM
 

Brett34 said:

Well, Im glad you put this up, this is the first year I have actually studied the LRC, even though I know it exists.  I have told everyone I know of the above information, yesterday, LOL.  The looked at me like crazy and I just said watch Gary Lezak and team and you won't be dissapointed.  We had an icestorm, minor here in Springdale/McLouth, and a stormy first part of April, sounds to me like we are in for a great Morel Mushroom hunt this year!  Its a family tradition.   The icestorm we had will make the ingredients just right when April arrives, and of course some moisture at that time.  It wouldn't suprise me at all with this wild reocurring pattern that we have some pretty good chances for severe weather.   We were already in a tornado watch in December, LOL.   Such crazy weather.  I do miss the snow and sure hope we get a good days worth coming around the corner, one that doesn't happen when we are all asleep and one that last more than 3-4 hours.  I still believe in your 20-25 inch snowfall total at KCI as we well above average that month and its coming back, even those minor snows really add up.  One big one and its really on.   I have pictures of that crazy night with the tornado watch , hailstorm, icestorm and snow the next afternoon, just dont know where to send them.  Nothing major, just kinda cool.   That afernoon was the heaviest snow I had yet seen this season, the flakes were HUGE and 1" fell in less than an hour.   Too bad that second band fell apart, we would have had a 1-3" total.    This year your LRC really shows its stuff, its so apparent.   Looking forward to the next part of the active cycle a few weeks off.  I hope we get some bigger snows, but the past is repeating, so we will see.  Good job Gary, you can't leave this news station!!  You and your team are a tremendous asset to KC and surrounding areas.   Especially us weather finatics.  Thanks for sharing your theory with us, it makes weather finatics junior a meteorologist! LOL.  Have a great day guys!

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Thank you!  And, every year is just as apparent with the LRC, it is just that you are getting used to it and learning with every passing week. 

Send the pictures to my email Lezak@NBCActionNews.com and remind me that they are all  from that crazy day.

Gary

January 8, 2009 10:30 AM
 

Brett34 said:

I also give credit to your whole team, your amazing!
January 8, 2009 10:31 AM
 

ATL 2 KCMO said:

It deffently looks intresting next week at least right now looking at the GFS mid to late next week that is going to be one strong artic air mass with -30 Celcius coming down into the great lakes reagion and the freezing line posibly going into the golf of mexico WOW and a posible snow in south Texas and Louisiana this would be the Second snow for both houstin and New Orleans who has already recorded 8 inches this season more snow then are 6 inches also looks like possible snow in and around the Atlanta area after they had a snowy winter last season it dose look however that the worst of the cold air will stay to are east im no expert by any means but the -20 celcious line looks to stay to are east which would be good news im so tired of winter already its just depressing:< I love what you guys do keep it up im currently in my first year of college im 19 and i love the weather but im more of a thunderstorm person and warm weather not cold. also i was talking with one of the weather guys in my hometown of Atlanta about Garys LRC and he has even been looking at it behind the scences to see how accurate it is with thier weather down thier and so far its been pretty much right on this winter for atlanta so your LRC is geting Exsposure gary even down south this could air in atlanta this upcoming week you can go back in the cycle and see the same thing back in november when they where having cooler temps not as cold as right now of course but looking at the maps this is a major break though gary at fisrt i got to say i was scepticle about the thery but now its hard to ignure the results. Finnaly i got to say gary i did not know you went to oklahoma >>>>>>>>> HOW ABOUT THEM ARKANSAS HOGS BABBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO

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Go Sooners!  And, thanks for letting others know about the LRC. It is cycling over from here to Russia!

Gary

 

January 8, 2009 11:19 AM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Wow, that is some really good weather prediction.  I wonder how far the LRC can reach out to once more consistent annual patterns happen.


Is it possible that we have been living in the same weather patterns for decades or longer. Say...80% of the time it is the same with freak disturbances here and there that switch things up?

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No, not at all. Every year is unique. Next year we will have a completely different weather pattern, cycle, LRC!

Gary

January 8, 2009 12:06 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

Gary,

I have a question for you.  If the storm that came through on the 27th of December were to come through with temperatures between 25-30 degrees, how much snow would you expect us to receive?  We received around 1.5" of rain out of the storm.  How much snow would that have translated to?  I'm not talking about ratio's per say, I understand that.  What I'm trying to figure out is whether we would still be likely to squeeze anything close to the same 1.5" of moisture in a similar time period, if it all fell as snow.  Temps during this storm were warm to begin with, and a lot of the moisture came in only a few hours, and was greatly enhanced by the thunderstorms that accompanied the storm.  I understand that the warmer it is, the more moisture the atmosphere can hold, but is that the only factor?  I guess the simplest way to ask my long drawn out question is, considering we received around 1.5" of moisture out the storm, how much moisture would you expect it to deliver if temps were in the upper 20's at the outset, with all other variables in this storm remaining constant?  Sorry if I rambled..

Thanks,

Matt

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Matt,

It is a question that is tough to answer.  The snow part of a storm like that may not be in a position to produce that much precipitation.  I would have to go back and analyze that storm. 

Gary

January 8, 2009 12:20 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

Like I said couple, four or five days ago in three weeks with any snow we will reach 15 to 20 below zero the coldest temps since 1989 an it will occur more than one nite.  The big snow event will occur and I have been noticing the width of them up north lately at 100 -150 miles of 6+ with a heavier band of 8-10+ in spots if that pattern shifts our way we all will be happy.  Good day!!

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The problem is.....that pattern will not shift.  It is going to be interesting in February though.

Gary

January 8, 2009 1:04 PM
 

VdoManZ said:

Wow Gary impressive read. I've been following this blog daily for 2 years now. I have learned quite a bit. Reading all the LRC posts in the last few years has been very informing and interesting!

I am ready for what cycle 2 will bring in the form of a decent snowfall. Cycle 3/4 should bring some interesting spring severe weather to the area.

I admire you for taking such a bold step with that long range forecast! Let's see how it p ans out. so far so good.

Keep up the great work!
January 8, 2009 1:23 PM
 

stjoeattorney said:

No balls no blue chip!  kudos!
January 8, 2009 1:41 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Well it looks like the wild ride is getting closer and closer right on cue.   The GFS and the NAM now both advertise at least some flurries Friday night/Sat morning for the area so it cold be another 60 to snow event for K.C. which would fit this year.  And then next week... well we will have to see exactly how it verifies but, it is impressive seeing the GFS call for the 1052 mbar surface pressure to make it to northern Missouri late next week... WOW.  Poor thermometers, they are in for another tough ride;)
January 8, 2009 1:47 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Also it looks like the models have backed off on the Sunday warm-up somewhat anyway.

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Nick,

I have confidence in the active pattern coming back in three to four weeks, but it is frustrating as clippers will be missing us to the northwest. 

Gary

January 8, 2009 1:49 PM
 

Darkwolfe said:

Weather crew,

I doubt that you have time for this, but I'm curioius to see if there's a recurring pattern for the first part of January over the last few years.  My wife and I tend to travel during that time and we've seen good weather on departure with winter hitting hard on our return.  

This year appears to be no exception as we are headed out early early tomorrow and the forecast looks pretty cold for our return at the end of next week.

Everybody stay warm!  I'm gonna go work on my suntan! :D

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The LRC exists every year, but it is also different every January.

Gary

January 8, 2009 3:01 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

When is the last time KC had a winter with so many large temperature swings?  This year, because of the LRC, seems to be more extreme in terms of temp swings than usual.

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I am sure it happens one or two times every winter, but not this much of an extreme and so often. 

Gary

January 8, 2009 3:25 PM
 

mamaof3girls said:

Yeah!! I finally got my sign in to work. This entry is wonderful and man you all are really putting yourself out there this time. I am sure it will all verify. I do hope during the next 2 months I get a decent snow fall amount. My 3 year old keeps putting on her snow boots and wears them every where in hope it snows soon. I bet you all are tired after all you put into this entry and the web cast. I am tired just thinking about it. Have a great day!
Monica

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Monica,

We are worn out, and I am on in a minute. This weather pattern is not fair to us!

Gary

January 8, 2009 3:43 PM
 

LRCfan said:

Wow very interesting Ice Storm Warnings in Montana that is wierd.
January 8, 2009 3:53 PM
 

morrell said:

Thank you! I wish you would put out quarterly forecast at least for the first three quarters of each year at the beginning of each quarter. I promise I will not bash your forecast if it happens to be a little off.

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Thanks for the request.  We will continue to experiment with these longer range forecasts.

Gary 

January 8, 2009 4:14 PM
 

Nick Rau said:

Yes I to have noticed the "Ice Storm" warnings up there... just another sign of the weird LRC the country is experiencing!
January 8, 2009 4:18 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Gary,

Whats up with the Full Screen ESP on AWP? I like...!

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Andrew,

We are just working on the site to make the forecast be the one we actually put out.

Gary

January 8, 2009 4:22 PM
 

sedsinkc said:

w/r/t Montana's ice storm warnings, just goes to show that warm air advection aloft with sub-freezing air at the surface can cause freezing rain even that far north.  It does seem a little weird, although conditions in the ice storm warning area will return to more normal snow and blowing snow tomorrow as cold air returns at all atmospheric levels.
January 8, 2009 4:37 PM
 

radman22 said:

With all this cold weather that will be lurking about the rest of the month, we will all be very sad if we dont get 1 good storm by end of month.    Nothing worse than brutal cold weather than to miss all the storms.    Iowa to Chicago and points NE looks like the place to be again for the next few weeks.    I dont think I can wait for the active part of the cycle!!!
January 8, 2009 5:08 PM
 

sweetness said:

Lets go Florida Gators today gotta love Tim Tebow lol but ya i think that here in the central states we need to officially kick winter out of our whole yearly cycles. Unless it promises a huge winter then we can have it back to the group.

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Go Sooners!

Gary

January 8, 2009 5:25 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

AWP is back to normal, of course I did like that full screen look. Maybe you should make the L-Bar a little smaller? And are you going to add a Regional Satellite picture?
January 8, 2009 5:53 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

this game is down in gator country gary...youre in for a rough one tonight!

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My prediction.....   OU 41   Florida 28

 

Go Sooners!

Gary

January 8, 2009 5:54 PM
 

Braysmama said:

Hoping by the end of February (22nd) the weather will calm down...flying to Miami via Minneapolis for a cruise and don't want to get stranded due to a winter storm!
January 8, 2009 6:20 PM
 

Zazel said:

It will be interesting to see how this relatively coarse long range forecast verifies.  I'm sure Notes and others will let us know!  :)  I am a touch curious why you think that this time around the more active pattern will produce a big storm or two.  What exactly is the "February Twist" that could cause one of these storms to come together here instead of east of us?  My opinion is the pattern will keep on keepin' on and we will end up with just another series of one to four inch snowfalls and, as a result, end up missing the yearly forecast snowfall totals.

I'd love to see a huge snowfall or two but I see no reason why we should expect it.  As a Nebraska native (Nebraska City), I take offense to all the S**ner talk on here!
January 8, 2009 6:31 PM
 

juba said:

Some of this I can't believe:

2008 Yearly Climate Summary
Kansas City:

...Below normal temperatures and above normal precipitation  characterized the overall Kansas City weather in 2008...


...Temperatures...

The average temperature for the year was 52.7 degrees or 1.5 degrees below the normal of 54.2 degrees. This ranks as the 8th coldest year on record (out of 120 years). Eight months had below normal temperatures, with 4 months of near average, and no months of above average temperatures.

Highest temperature: 97 degrees on August 3rd and 4th.  

Lowest temperature: 4 degrees below zero on January 19th.

The warmest daily average temperature was 87 degrees on August 3rd with a high of 97 degrees and a low of 76 degrees, and on August 4th with a high of 97 degrees and a low of 77 degrees.

The coldest daily average temperature was 4 degrees on January 19th with a high of 11 and a low of 4 degrees below zero.

The lowest afternoon high temperature was 10 degrees on December 21st.  

The highest overnight low temperature was 77 degrees on August 4th.  

For the entire year, one record high and two record lows were equaled or exceeded. On April 26th a record low of 34 degrees was tied. On September 9th a record low of 46 degrees was tied. A record high of 66 degrees was recorded on December 26th.  



...Precipitation...

The total precipitation for the year was 44.66 inches, or 6.68 inches above normal. This was the 20th wettest year on record. Three months had below normal precipitation, five months were above, and four months were near average. The longest stretch with no measurable precipitation was 11 days, from October 25th through November 4th and from November 18th through November 28th.  

The highest monthly total was 9.82 inches in September, or the 8th wettest September on record. The lowest monthly total was 0.97 of an inch recorded in January.  

The greatest rainfall in a 24 hour period was 3.86 inches on September 12th-13th.

There were three daily rainfall records exceeded on February 5th, March 17th, and December 27th.

There were 53 days with thunderstorms, normal is also 53.

The total snowfall for the 2007-2008 winter season was 24.1 inches, with the calendar year snowfall of 21.4 inches. Normal is 20.1 inches.

The greatest monthly snow total in this calendar year was 8.9 inches in February.  

There was one daily snowfall record tied on April 12th.

...Wind...

The average wind velocity for the year was 10.3 mph with the prevailing wind direction from the south, normal is 10.7 mph from the south. The highest wind gust for the year was 66 mph from the west on May 2nd
January 8, 2009 8:25 PM
 

chfs327 said:

The greatest rainfall in a 24 hour period was 3.86 inches on September 12th-13th

IIRC. July 30th had Record Rainfall in Olathe. There was about 6-8 inches of rain due to a Stalled Peroid of heavy rain. So The fact that 3.84 inches was the highest total is not really correct. I know for a Fact that it was over 4 inches that night.

I was up all night playing poker and drinking soda. while listening to Ride the storm out
January 8, 2009 8:55 PM
 

Greg said:

Juba, I believe all of it, that is Kansas City weather to a "T"!
January 8, 2009 9:27 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Here is something space-weather related:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478024,00.html

It is a really interesting article to read.  I remember back in oh 1996 or 1997 my pager going out and not working along with many others. They had said on the news it was due to solar weather messing with the satellites.


"A new study from the National Academy of Sciences outlines grim possibilities on Earth for a worst-case scenario solar storm."

The race is on for better forecasting abilities, as the next peak in solar activity is expected to come around 2012.  
January 8, 2009 10:15 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

I just saw the new looking icons for the 5 days on AWP and that it is your forecast!
January 8, 2009 10:37 PM
 

simplykristi said:

The information is from the official recording site, KCI. For complete info, please click on the following link:
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=eax&storyid=20752&source=0

Kristi
January 8, 2009 10:39 PM
 

pvt_murphy said:

Gators!

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Utah should be #1(in the AP).  Florida looked better in the 2nd half...but both teams had some real sloppy moments.  3 of the 4 top teams in the Big 12 south lost in bowl games and Texas should have lost.  Maybe the Big 12 south was overrated a bit.  Anyways, with what Utah did going undefeated and dominating Alabama, I think they should be #1 in the AP poll.  Wouldn't a playoff be nice:)  Okay...back to the weather.

Just saw Florida was #1 in the AP too.  Just another reason for a playoff.

Jeremy 

January 8, 2009 10:56 PM
 

billinlawrence said:

Gary and Jeremy:
Good Spring/Warm Air Advection morning to both of you!!! Currently sitting at 40 degrees this morning under clear skies-very nice out this morning and it should be a very nice morning and man you can just smell the spring in the air this morning!!

I have made a decision: I am going to try and leave the coming active period alone for a spell and concentrate on what we have coming down the pike the next 7-10 days. I was thinking that man I have become so caught up with what may happen 2 weeks from now that I am going to miss what we have now. Kind of like Ferris Buhler saying you need to stop and look around because you just may miss it LOL!! While for sure this part of the pattern does not give us a lot of precipitation, there are still going to be some very strong fronts that can’t be missed-bring em on!!!! LOL

In that vein, a few random observations this morning that as always I hope make some sense!!

1. Looking at the surface charts this morning the front is still pretty ill defined-it appears the true wind shift line is still in NW Nebraska and the surface low is I think in NE Nebraska and  but the real colder air is even lagging behind that somewhat. There are some teens and single digits in Montana this morning. Will be interesting as always to follow these today for sure.

2. If I am looking at them correctly, the models have the front coming through early afternoon but like one sees on the surface charts, the cold air does kind of lag behind. It does not appear we will have the one hour 30 degree drop this time but more of a 5-6 hour drop kind of like last Saturday.

3. Looking into early next week: I wonder if the GFS is not a bit too vigorous with the arctic front for our area-not doubt we are going to have some cold temperature early to mid next week but I just wonder if the Euro does not have a bit better handle as it shows us just really getting a glancing blow and the core of the cold air heads much more east and just south. I think the GFS has that high sliding down into Central Missouri but the Euro has it further east. The Euro makes sense to me based on the pattern we are in and for the fact that looking at the surface charts this morning, the core of the cold air is now in Manitoba not Alberta and Saskatchewan-Manitoba is not our best source region for a true arctic out-break. Will be interesting to see for sure as there is no doubt we will have some cold temps. But east of here should bear the brunt- I think??? LOL!!

4. Another interesting point about early next week: if you go back and look at mid to late November, the core of the cold air was in Eastern Canada-not Western Canada. We had glancing blows in November in this part of the pattern and we should have glancing blow now as well-its just that the glancing blows will feel a bit harder as we are in January!!!

5. One small look ahead-I just can’t resist nor can I resist making myself look foolish!! The 0Z 10 day GFS and Euro have the same overall pattern as we did around the 11-28-the upper level maps are very similar-the models in the longer range are still throwing out subtle hints of the active part of the pattern
developing!!!! Or, I have some serious egg on my face right about now!! LOL

6. Finally-man that long wave to our east is just money this year-watching that surface low early next week just explode on the models as it hits around Kentucky-I am officially putting out an APB for that secondary weaker long wave in Oklahoma-I hope like the Offspring it will come out and play when the active pattern comes back through!!!

Well, it will be fun to track these fronts over the next few days and who knows maybe we will get surprised and one of the vorts. At the 850 level will surprise and dig a bit farther south or maybe some southern energy will be able to undercut this flow ala Thanksgiving weekend-prospects are not good but there is always hope!! No doubt this NW flow part of the pattern is so dry-trying to take clothes out of the dryer right now is an exercise in basic electricity!! LOL But hey, it is the weather we have for the next 8-10 days so time to dive into it and see what happens!!!

Have a great day and as always, thanks for reading!!!

Bill in Lawrence
January 9, 2009 5:39 AM
 

FlakeFan said:

Oh now, any year for a solar storm but 2012!!!!! Maybe it's right! Bye everybody!
January 9, 2009 6:38 AM
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