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Saturday Set-up & LRC Update w/Maps!

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The weekend is here!  After a couple of very cold days we begin to thaw out today.  Temperatures jumped to around 30 overnight and a quick warm-up is in the cards today.  With a clipper passing to our north, and winds southwest or west through lunchtime I think a run into the 40s is likely.  Around or just after noon another cold front will drop through the viewing area.  Unlike our past couple of fronts, this one has Pacific air behind it and not arctic air.  That will translate into a cooler Sunday, but not a drastic drop in temperatures which has been common this winter.

For today highs will be in the 40s with variably cloudy skies.  If you haven't shoveled your walk or sidewalk yet the mild air may help you out today:)  The surface map this morning may be a good one to print off and practice drawing in the fronts, troughs, and low(if you are really a weather nut).  Here is the surface setup shortly after 7 a.m.

 

This surface map is fascinating for many reasons, but here are a couple I want to point out.  Chicago went from -8 last night at 9 p.m. to +13 by 7 a.m.  This shows the surge of mild air moving in and signals the displacement of the arctic air.  Also look into south-central South Dakota where temperatures are in the 30s.  This is well behind the cold front which I believe is near southeast Nebraska. 

As the clipper departs I think a secondary or back door cold front moves in on Sunday.  This will likely give us mostly cloudy or cloudy skies and a chance of a few flurries or maybe a snow shower.  Right now the best chance of a snowflake is east of Kansas City for Sunday.

There's a quick glimpse of the weekend.  But I want to fast forward to the coming week and discuss the LRC a little bit.  'When the cat is away the mice will play'...so here's my findings on the LRC which I kind of stumbled on when looking back last night.

The week ahead should be corresponding to the final week of November 2008.  This is really only the second time through this part of the pattern because the previous time it was around would have been when the cycle was just forming or establishing itself back around October 10ish. 

Typically when doing strictly a map comparison we look at the 500mb level.  Last night and very early today I looked back at some surface maps and did a double take a few times...so here is what I found.

This first surface map is from November 24, 2008.  This map features a Pacific cold front which is located over the Mississppi Valley and southern Plains.  Low pressure in Ontario and another over the Great Lakes.  Also, a ridge in the West. 

Now the HPC forecast surface map for today.  This map features a trough or weak front(Pacific) in the Mississippi Valley extending into the southern Plains.  Also, low pressure over the Great Lakes, with another right near southern Ontario.  And of course...the ridge in the West. 

 

Now here is the November 25, 2008 surface map.  Here are the highlights.  High pressure behind a 'back door' cold front, with the front located over the Midwest and Plains.  Low pressure over the Great Lakes, with a cold front that extends into the Gulf of Mexico.  The ridge in the West is present. 

 

Now the HPC forecast surface map for Sunday.  This features a 'back door' cold front over the Midwest and Plains, low pressure in the Great Lakes, and cold front extending into the Gulf of Mexico.  The ridge in the West still exists.

 

Wow!  That is what I said after doing this quick map comparison.  The maps above are from NOAA/Dept. of Commerce if anyone is wondering.  I didn't have anything to do with making these maps.

Since we are heading into the last week of November on the repeating cycle we are confident that a storm should near the region by probably Friday(ish).  The last time through the cycle the storm produced our first accumulating snow in Kansas City.  This time it appears it could be a mix to snow event, followed by a shot of cold air.  Our confidence is very high in a warm-up ahead of this storm because it happened before the storm in late November.  50s to around 60 look like a possibility, but a lot will hinge of what time of day the warmest air(aloft) moves in and also any cloud cover.  Right now the GFS is a little 'off' in what we think this next storm should look like, but it is beginning to trend more in line with our thoughts.

I know what question is coming so I will address it now.  The cycle length on the comparison above is roughly 54 days.  Estimates so far have been in the neighborhood of 50-54 days for a cycle length by Gary.  Since the complete cycle is only about to be completed for the 2nd time in the next 2 weeks I think it is fair to say that maybe the cycle is more of a 52-54 day cycle now that more information is available after viewing the storm evolutions and timing.  Either way it is very fascinating to see a unique weather pattern develop in the Fall and then cycle through the year.   

That's my take on where we are at in the pattern and how we can use the LRC to help our forecasts in both the short and long term.  Hopefully you enjoyed the discussion since the weather is otherwise pretty quiet this weekend!

Have a great Saturday and thank you for taking time out of your weekend to visit our blog!  And finally...enjoy the snow while it lasts!

Jeremy

Published Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:31 AM by Jeremy WxPlus

Comments

 

ethalo said:

SCOTT....

I'm busted ! You got me !  lol
I actually took that "crazy weather" quotation
from a Minnesota t-shirt website.
But, I thought it could just as well apply to
the crazy weather that we've been experiencing
here...and to calm people with some of
the nit-picking they put this team through.
January 17, 2009 10:03 AM
 

StanzdaMan said:

O so sad, you can here the snow starting to melt. :(
January 17, 2009 10:06 AM
 

jonnylockbox said:

Wow! Nice analysis, you put a lot of thought into it. Were you planning to include the maps?   I'm enjoying the mild temps and sunshine for sure!
Jon *************** Not sure why the maps aren't posting...I will look into that when I get back to work. Sorry. Hmmm...none of the maps I posted showed up. Jeremy
January 17, 2009 10:08 AM
 

Ipushsnow said:

The maps are not showing up on the blog for me.
Is anyone eise having this problem?
January 17, 2009 11:06 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

The maps were there this morning, but have somehow disappeared.  Jeremy, you might want to check your image links to ensure they are still valid. ******************* We use the same image posting place all the time...my guess is image shack is down right now. Not sure why they are not posting now. Jeremy
January 17, 2009 11:16 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Check to see if Bill is adding something to the site.  I am seeing a long running link refresh coming from ewstv.nbcactionnews.com when loading this page.  Perhaps that is truncating the image load.
January 17, 2009 11:29 AM
 

kcwxguy said:

Oh..and imageshack is working fine.
January 17, 2009 11:30 AM
 

jon64506 said:

maps are there now
January 17, 2009 2:53 PM
 

95rred said:

Whats up with accu weather they have winter precip thur. ,sat., sun., and, mon. I know they are not very good but I was bored today so I checked it out.

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I may put something in for Thursday...we've been debating that for days.  Looks like the clouds/precip. will roll in sometime later Thursday.  As of now I have Saturday dry, but with the active pattern about to begin again there will be many chances coming up:)

Jeremy

January 17, 2009 4:20 PM
 

Ipushsnow said:

One thing that is nice about this weather pattern is that you can get the motorcycle out between cold air shots.

Are the long range models starting to show the more active weather?

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Yep...late Thursday and Friday of this week the games may begin:)

Jeremy

January 17, 2009 4:57 PM
 

Ipushsnow said:

YEA !!!!

The temp swings are more fun when they have some precip. with them.

I would like to see 2+ inches of snow in the northland with these upcomming events.

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I'm sure you and many others:)

Jeremy

January 17, 2009 5:08 PM
 

marlina10 said:

Today's milder temperatures was a welcome relief!
January 17, 2009 5:36 PM
 

weatherfreak01 said:

Wow, not a lot of comments on the blog today. It will be interesting to see what the end of the week brings.

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The GFS finally picked up on the possible storm we've been discussing for a long time.  The last time the storm came through it was rain to snow.  Right now I have rain to snow in the forecast, we'll have to see how things evolve this week.

Jeremy

January 17, 2009 5:45 PM
 

LBF1958 said:

It was so warm today I almost went for ice cream . . . .almost being the key word. I was outside playing with my dog without my coat on. It's sad when you think the 40s are warm!!!!!!!

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At least the next 5 days will be average to above average.  Wednesday looks great right now!

Jeremy

January 17, 2009 5:55 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Outstanding Jeremy.  So put this one in the book of examples and evidence of the LRC.  Then next time you all go to the big weather conference you will have another piece of evidence on the recurring cycle.  I don't know how many examples you all will need, but in law enforcment, the more evidence the better in getting affadavits, arrest warrants and convictions.  I would believe that being the scietific professionals that you all are, the more evidence of theory the better.  But you said this was at the 500mb level, which I believe you and Gary have stated more than once that this is the easiest and most active level to read.  But also wouldn't you need data from other levels as well to be taken more seriously by most of the skeptics.  Also, how many years now have you all been declaring this cycle theory?  I would think you would need a minimum of 7 years and probably much more for a theory to advance and mature through at least a generation before it gains acceptance.  After the years I have been hearing of the LRC I would think the odds of it being a fluke are minimal, but, there is always a chance.  I do not remember the weather in KC the last time it came through there, but here in McLouth we did have an "ice event".  There was areas of power outages due to ice, which in this area was near 1/2" and varied in different cycles of freezing rain and sleet before changing over to all snow.  Well, I hope it isn't as bad this time, time will tell.

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The maps I posted do not prove the LRC, just as you stated more evidence in what we feel is a cycling pattern.  The maps posted were surface maps. 

Jeremy

January 17, 2009 9:27 PM
 

davidmcg said:

Very good Jeremy, but I still think a more powerful word than "WOW" is in order.  This shows a lot, may not prove very much in the eyes of sum.  But when you put it together with all the other examples over the years, at the very least patterns develop.  There is definitely a cycle of some type in the weather.  Other forecasters throughout the many years have all said so.  Its just that all of you were the first to define it and give it a name.
January 17, 2009 10:04 PM
 

Emmysmom said:

Well I, for one, am hoping that nothing really materializes with this next upcoming storm!  My mom is coming down from Lincoln Friday evening to go with us to our ultrasound, and I really want her to be there...  Any chance that what we get could be like what we had last Friday, where any problems are gone by noon-ish and not bother us for the weekend? ****************** The timing will change some...but if something happens late Thursday into the first half of Friday looks like the best timeframe at this very early estimation. I wouldn't worry too much yet. Jeremy
January 17, 2009 10:49 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

emmysmom you NEVER want it to snow
January 18, 2009 2:54 AM
 

billinlawrence said:

Jeremy:
Good starry warmish morning to you sir!!! Currently sitting at 30 degrees this morning under a beautiful clear star lit sky-very nice out this morning indeed!! A snow and cold lover I may be but not doubts that yesterday was a very nice day indeed!! I took the boys down to a wet lands area by my house here in SW Lawrence and we found some small channels that were still frozen solid so they got to walk around and follow them on the ice (the channels are about 2 feet wide and 10 inches deep)-it was an awesome time to say the least!!!

A couple random things this morning with the always present caveat that I hope they make some sort of sense!!!

1. The surface maps you have posted are just fantastic!! One can even see the back door front that is about to affect us today-truly fascinating!! While these maps may not go far in “proving” points of the LRC in a scientific fashion, they for sure show where we are in the pattern/regime and in my very humble opinion do show the cycle-these are not just 500 maps but one can also see it at the surface. What’s more, there has been discussion for a good spell how last week and this week would look and vola-there it is!!!

2. Today and tomorrow are going to be kind of interesting as far as temperatures go (it sure is not cold upstream right now-just like in late November!!)-how far will that back door front really get in the next 12-14 hours-it made it through in November but then and now, we are right on the far western edge especially here in Lawrence. Folks in say Salina may not even feel it. For sure, it is not a big temperature changer but from just an observational stand point it will be kind of cool to follow and to watch how a trough over the Great Lakes can affect us down here. It will also be interesting to watch this in April as it could give us some very cool breezy days with temps. In the mid 40’s-that kind of cool raw April day that is just miserable (indeed, when we hit April I want it to be warm-nothing worse to me than a 42 degree April/early May day with NW winds!!!)

3. Later this week will likewise be fun to follow for sure-the southern energy is going to be there and the details will be worked out in the next few days but I think (big word there think LOL) that this energy in November signaled the relaxing the of the NW flow regime and was the sign post for the transitional period. Looking at the models and some ensembles it appears the same is occurring now. Ok-I think I just fell off of the limb!! LOL

4. Ok-here I go way out on a limb-looking way ahead, I think what is important is that the 0Z Euro and the 0Z GFS Ensembles and to a small extent the GFS Operational are all still showing the retrogression of the ridge off of the West Coast and the development of more cold air build up in the North West Territories our source region for cold air and with the ridge out in the Pacific, it will allow the southern stream to get more active-i.e. the active part of the cycle. I am probably way off here and I have typed this point several times over the past few days, but I think it is important how the models have continued to show the retrogression of that ridge like we saw in December. For sure this can be considered a normal occurrence but it does not happen every year and why would it just all of a sudden happen again? In my very humble hobbyist mind I think this is fascinating and yes indeed, these are just a bunch of H’s and numbers on a model output but it is telling that the models have been latching onto this idea for some time now. Ok-if the limb didn’t break in number 3 it sure has broken now!!! LOL

Ok-enough from me this morning-everybody is probably asleep in their Grape Nuts now!!! LOL I just find this week fascinating and the transition to the active phase really interesting!!! For sure, it will be fun to follow!!!

Have a great Sunday Jeremy!! I am invading the Northland today with my brood as we are visiting my parents-the old stomping grounds of the Northland gotta love it!! Thanks as always for reading and providing such a great place to follow and learn about the weather!!!

Bill in Lawrence

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Bill,

Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts today.  Enjoy your trip today, the weather will be pretty 'boring'.  That should change some later this week though:)

Jeremy

January 18, 2009 5:45 AM
 

davidmcg said:

Jeremy looking at the surface map I see a whole series of high pressure centers of the rockies extending up into Canada.  Will they block or just slow down this back door front today?  Wind up here in McLouth is a little gusty.  Playing havoc with my smoker and thats not good for gameday.  Briskets in a smoker are as finicky as the weather.

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There will be wind today and tomorrow of 10-20 mph...maybe a little higher at times.

I'm not real concerned about these back door fronts.  They may drop us into the mid to upper 30s for a day or two, but overall very seasonal.

Jeremy

January 18, 2009 7:25 AM
 

davidmcg said:

Seasonal I think we can all live with.  Its almost air time.
January 18, 2009 7:53 AM
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