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Snow Chances & Unbelievable Snow Video!...UPDATE

Watch NBC Action News HD at 5 & 10 p.m. for the latest on the potential for snow on Monday.

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An area of light snow and flurries is tracking east-northeast that should move through the viewing area in the next few hours.  It is currently near and north of I-70.  Areas on the north side of the metro could should see some light snow, and flurries were falling at our station at 9pm.  Accumulations will be trace amounts to maybe a dusting.  Farther north, closer to highway 36 some areas could see a half inch of snow or so of snow, with maybe 1" right near the Iowa border.

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Good Sunday bloggers!  Clouds and chilly temperatures have made for a very dreary winter day across the region.  I've seen a handful of snowflakes from late morning into the afternoon, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few more flurries or light snow fall to close out Sunday. 

Now onto Monday and Tuesday.  This forecast, like most that involve snow, is not easy.  So let's dive in.  Monday should start dry across the region and that means the morning commute should not be a problem.  Light snow should spread from west to east during the afternoon.  The timing for Kansas City may be in the 2-4pm(ish) range.  I don't think there is a great deal of snow accumulation for the trip home from work or school, but there may be some slippery spots at that point.  Most of our accumulating light snow should fall Monday evening and into early Tuesday. 

The snow forecast is complex just looking at the models at face value.  Here is the split decision between the 18Z NAM & GFS.  First the NAM.  This is a total precipitation forecast through noon on Tuesday.  This would produce maybe 1" of snow in Kansas City, a little higher total to the southeast.

 

The GFS is more bullish on the snow totals.  This run would give Kansas City about 3-5" of snow.  Notice it gives everyone more snow compared to the NAM.  I put a little red square where Kansas City is located for reference.

 

Now onto our forecast...right now we are going 1-3" of total snow accumulation for the viewing area.  It's a broad range at the moment and hopefully either tonight at 10 p.m. or first thing Monday between 5-7 a.m. on the blog and during our newscast we will get more specific.  It is very possible that some spots see under 1", and also very possible that some locations have over 3".  So 1-3" is our forecast right now.  A lot will hinge on the possibility of a secondary band of snow moving through the region Tuesday morning.  This would enhance the totals and lead to a better chance of the high end 3" occurring.  If this band does not form, then totals closer to 1"(or maybe less) could happen.  At this moment I'm not overly excited about this, but for snow lovers we have to take what we can get :)   

***This is awesome*** I found some amazing snow video out of the United Arab Emirates.  This is a desert country that has only seen snow one time in its recorded history, and that was back in 2004, and it didn't amount to much.  Most people in that part of the world have never seen snow, and those that did said there isn't even a word in their language for snow!  Below is the article regarding Sunday's snow, followed by the video link.  This is from the Arabian Business website. 

 Al Jees mountain, 5,700 feet above sea level and 15 miles northeast of Ras Al Khaimah city, was covered in eight inches of snow, the state news agency WAM said.

"Although limited snowfall was recorded on the mountain some years back, for the first time the peak of the mountain was fully covered in snow," it said.

Local authorities said temperatures plunged to 26.6 Fahrenheit on Friday and again to below zero(Celcius) on Saturday, The National newspaper reported.

Major Said al-Yamahi of Ras al-Khaimah police told the newspaper that an area of almost two square miles was covered in snow.

The emirates of Abu Dhabi and Dubai also had heavy rains on Friday and Saturday, in a spell of rare chilly weather in a desert state where summer temperatures can reach 122 Fahrenheit.

Here is the video link!  I'm guessing these guys never thought they would be making a snowman in their lifetime!

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/544650-uae-mountain-covered-in-rare-snow

Kind of sad when parts of UAE have a higher seasonal snow total than Kansas City!  We should up our total in the next 48 hours, and hopefully for those that love snow you will see enough to enjoy!

Thank you for stopping by the blog, and make sure to check back often over the next 36 hours for more updates.  Once the snow begins on Monday, please keep us updated on your snow totals!

Jeremy

Published Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:15 PM by Jeremy WxPlus

Comments

 

FlakeFan said:

Wow, I say 2-7" of snow for JoCo Airport! Hopefully more!
January 25, 2009 2:42 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

"The 18Z NAM had very little precip"

Do not forget, last time this came through the models said we were going to get nothing UNTIL 12HRS BEFORE THE ONSET OF PECIP...  I will wait for the 18Z GFS and the 00z models!!!

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Just giving everyone the update before the question of, "What did the NAM do?" is asked.

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 2:47 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

So will there be un update after the 18z gfs or the 00z NAM?

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Yes, we are going over a lot of stuff right now.  Probably just before or after the early newscast.

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 2:51 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

Which one are you leaning towards???
January 25, 2009 2:52 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

jeremy,

I noticed your comment regarding the 18Z NAM showing next to nothing for the area.  This is nothing new though as the NAM has been saying that all along for this storm.  Strangely, both the GFS and NAM have been very stubborn on their solution for this storm, but each solution is considerably different than the opposing model.  Do you lean towards one model over the other for this particular storm, and which one do you trust more overall, pertaining to more than just this storm?

Thanks,

Matt

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We also look at the in-house models.  Although they may be making the forecast even tougher:)

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 2:53 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

Thanks Jeremy...  That was a bit vague!!  :)

Matt
January 25, 2009 3:09 PM
 

dpollard said:

3" is the magic number for business. Please, oh please, just let there be 3's! 2" maybe $100 if I'm lucky, a solid 3" and now we are talking $1000 +. For all you snow lovers out there like myself just think of how you would feel if 1" of snow made a $900 difference in your day!! When we get close to 3" I'm screaming at radar and at the sky "come on, come on, you can do it!"
January 25, 2009 3:11 PM
 

radman22 said:

I think its a tough forecast and they dont want to go out on a limb at this point.   I would bet the in house model is split between the 2 models and makes the snow forecast that much difficult.    It will all depend on the track of the low and if you live west of Topeka, dont expect much....its been the trend all year long.

Thanks for the update Jeremy
Joe
January 25, 2009 3:14 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

With the :) at the end of his anwser, I think they are leaning towards the GFS, BUT THATS MY OPINION ; )
January 25, 2009 3:16 PM
 

Ipushsnow said:

dpollard,

It all depends on the time of the snow,if it happens in the late afternoon or eve then it does not take as long to clear everything as all the stores and offices are closed.If it happens during the day then you might as well double the time it will take to get it all cleared.


COME ON DAY TIME SNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!      ;)
January 25, 2009 3:28 PM
 

stjoelawyer said:

Simple call heaviest will be south and east of my area and likely the heaviest will be in the south parts of KC  15 to 20 miles roughly south of I-70 before you turn it into sleet then FRZRN.  

The only thing that could change this is an ejection of much more warmer humid gulf air nto the system much sooner or faster before the UUL tracts by throwing the entire event farther north.//////This solution has happened twice this season throwing our would be snows into SE IA and SW NE.    
January 25, 2009 3:33 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Do we have a range of possible accumulation yet say from a dusting to.........
January 25, 2009 3:37 PM
 

Greg said:

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but we just went to the grocery store! Oh...... never mind we go every weekend;)
January 25, 2009 3:38 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

Proof, and more Proof! GW is not real!!        
January 25, 2009 3:41 PM
 

FlakeFan said:

But Jeremy dosen't like snow (a lot), he could be putting the :) for anybody! Am I wrong?
January 25, 2009 3:42 PM
 

juba said:

My friend is such a lier! They said they became friends with Barack Obama on September 12th! Me want snow that will completley cover the grass 4"+!!!!!
January 25, 2009 3:46 PM
 

woodchuck said:

Is there a way to have the blog viewable on the mobile phones?  Once the new format was done took the vewing from the cell phone away.  I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts.  Just like to check in when I'm out and about and a storm is coming.

Thanks
Charlie
January 25, 2009 3:50 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

GFS remains ultra consistent..  Precip totals appear almost exactly as they have for the last several runs..  Should be interesting..

Matt
January 25, 2009 3:51 PM
 

RickMckc said:

I don't see any comment about the 18Z NAM from Jeremy. Did something get pulled from the blog?
January 25, 2009 3:55 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

Rick,

Comment was on the last blog.

Matt
January 25, 2009 3:56 PM
 

LRCfan said:

my gut feeling is 2-4 inches we will see.
January 25, 2009 3:59 PM
 

Ipushsnow said:

What are the totals for the GFS?
January 25, 2009 4:02 PM
 

Andrew_Stafford said:

HPC has MDT Risk for ICE STORM in OK and east

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/wwd/day2_pice_gt_25.gif
January 25, 2009 4:12 PM
 

Kcchamps said:

http://wintercenter.michiganwxsystem.com/gfs/central/snowfall/3

check this out everyone. what do you all think?
January 25, 2009 4:15 PM
 

Ipushsnow said:

Looks like 4-6 inches for the metro(that would be great.

I don't think that we will get that much.

At best 1-3" for the metro.
January 25, 2009 4:27 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

January 25, 2009 4:32 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

The site that Kcchamps posted  actually shows a lot more than 4-6" for the area.  The link posted only runs through 7:00 Tuesday morning.  The next 12 hour map more than doubles our amount.  This really seems far fetched to me, but that's what it says.  It is also basing that information off of this mornings data.  Fun to look at though..

Matt
January 25, 2009 4:33 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

The models never seem to be right until a few hours before the disturbance or front comes through.  They start out huge predicting a foot of snow in the area, and then last minute 1-2, or 1-3.  I dont know why they do that.
January 25, 2009 4:50 PM
 

sweetness said:

January 25, 2009 5:06 PM
 

sweetness said:

January 25, 2009 5:06 PM
 

Greg said:

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say the immediate metro gets 1" or less, and my gut is telling me the "less" is looking pretty good...

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Certainly possible, I'd rule nothing out at this point:)

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 5:21 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

I think your going with the safe forecast at this moment.
January 25, 2009 5:26 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

sweetness that model was for the 12Z models.  The 18z will be out shortly.

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All the 18Z data is out.  00Z stuff starts to come in around 8 p.m.

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 5:34 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

Here is the snowfall map from the 18Z GFS.  It has less snow than either 12Z or the 06Z had for the metro.  Not exactly a great trend, considering the NAM shows next to nothing for us..  We shall see..

http://wxcaster4.com/gfs/CONUS2_GFS0P5_SFC_ACCUM-SNOW_60HR.gif

Matt
January 25, 2009 5:41 PM
 

juba said:

If you had a map of KS, MO, NE, IW, I'd say 1'7" of snow, for our are 1-5". What storm was this in December?
January 25, 2009 5:48 PM
 

pmccabe58 said:

Yes I think everyone goes with the safe forecast at first because they dont want to freak people out. I think we will get a good 3-6 inches here
January 25, 2009 5:49 PM
 

chfs327 said:

Im going with Accuweather. 1.2 inches of snow
January 25, 2009 5:51 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

The NWS has been going with a generalized 1-3" north and 2-5" south since earlier this morning.

Seems like a fairly safe forecast at this point.
January 25, 2009 5:53 PM
 

NotesInTheMargin said:

Forgot to add the link to my post above:
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/wxstory.php?site=eax
January 25, 2009 5:54 PM
 

juba said:

Charlie, When did you try it on your phone, it was working for me when we had the 80-95+ MPH wind in December? Im guessing 4.25" of snow.
(I doulbled last times snow of 1.65" times 2.5 and rounded a bit)
January 25, 2009 5:54 PM
 

juba said:

Last question, when is the first snow band to start?
January 25, 2009 5:55 PM
 

pmccabe58 said:

accuweather is horrible everytime I look at it, its always so far off
January 25, 2009 5:59 PM
 

FlakeFan said:

January 25, 2009 6:05 PM
 

snowfan222 said:

well i moved to kansas city eailer december from indiana and im very dissapointed becuase they have been getting storm after storm and we have not had any snow down here so i hope this next chance of snow is great
January 25, 2009 6:09 PM
 

pmccabe58 said:

Yeah whens the snow supposed to actually start?
January 25, 2009 6:12 PM
 

snowfan222 said:

i put my hands on 2.5in in the northren part of the viewing area and about 4in near the southren border
January 25, 2009 6:14 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

mattmaisch if you look at the bottom of that page that was the 06Z forcast from this morning.  The updated 18Z has not come out yet on that site.
January 25, 2009 6:17 PM
 

Fire Dog said:

January 25, 2009 6:19 PM
 

snowfan222 said:

how much snow do u guys think we will get?
January 25, 2009 6:20 PM
 

mattmaisch said:

Fire Dog,

The map I posted was indeed the 18Z data from this evening.  It was a 60 hour map that is valid at 06Z on Wednesday morning, which is 60 hours out from 18Z this evening.  The number you see at the bottom is indicating when the period ends, not when it begins in this case..

Matt
January 25, 2009 6:43 PM
 

snowfan222 said:

fire dog whats ur opinion on the snowfall?
January 25, 2009 6:46 PM
 

stjoelawyer said:

i said earlier higher amnts to the south and east until it turns to sleet.  another bust for snow lovers in the viewing area. . . if any broad area gets 3-4 i would be surprised the dry cold NNE wind will keep it away. . .realist in st joseph mo

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Certainly possible, that is why we have 1-3".

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 6:49 PM
 

snowfan222 said:

alot of maps or saying 3-6in in the viewing area but im thinking 2.5in if that
January 25, 2009 6:52 PM
 

snowfan222 said:

jeremy what is the chance of kansas city picking up 5" or more?

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Our forecast is 1-3", a lot would have to go right and surprise me at this point for us to get anything close to that much.

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 7:02 PM
 

stjoelawyer said:

I doubt you will be suuprised Jeremy.  It's just not there unless as i said earlier the warm gulf air ejects the UUL further north. . . it has happened before.
January 25, 2009 7:21 PM
 

sedmo said:

What's your feeling about Sedalia?  I have a night class tomorrow night from 5:30-8:30 in Warrensburg, Whats your thoughts.  will is dicey?  Should I take a "snow night" and stay home?  Thanks for any help
January 25, 2009 7:21 PM
 

LuvsSummer said:

Trying to think of something nice to say about the snow forecast.  Ok, I sincerely hope all you snow lovers get a nice bunch of the white stuff to enjoy and admire.

Whew!  That took alot out of me, lol

Thanks for the forecast Jeremy, I'm hoping we see the low end of the 1-3"
January 25, 2009 7:27 PM
 

farmgirl said:

I've come to grips with the cold air now. I actually was outside today for 2  hours messing around with horses. Insulated coveralls and boots are a great invention! Only my toes were cold. I guess I'll wait and see how much of the white stuff we get in the next few days. So far so good this winter with it only getting little bit.

Is there another warm-up soon? I would like to put my order in for a 50 degree day with mild winds on a weekend day. :)
January 25, 2009 7:45 PM
 

woodchuck said:

juba,
It worked in early december.  Today I tried and I could not get the blog on my phone.  I have a blackberry if that makes a difference.  Thanks for the help.  
Charlie
January 25, 2009 7:50 PM
 

pmccabe58 said:

So when is the snow supposed to start?.................

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Outside or some flurries or a pocket of light snow thru midnight...the snow for Monday will likely be mid afternoon or so.  Could be a little later if the dry air hangs tough.

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 7:59 PM
 

juba said:

Why did the site say 63 comments earlier, and now 59?

I hope my little Stanly (bird) is okay, she broke a blood feather and keeps trying to eat the blodd clotting agent.
January 25, 2009 8:11 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

blah another 1-3".  Bring on the big snow.
January 25, 2009 8:12 PM
 

weathermom said:

when will you update the blog

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I may add a paragraph after 9:30pm, but that would be it until morning.  We have 2 long weather segments on during our 10-11 p.m. show on Sunday Nights, so make sure to tune in.

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 8:33 PM
 

chiefsrock said:

You guys are awesome i always watch you guys when i wathch the weather. I have a question for you, i go to school in Lenexa (a elementry school) do you think we will have school on Tuesday?

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If I had to guess I would say yes, but then again the policies here are different than where I grew up:)

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 9:03 PM
 

simplykristi said:

Carry over from previous blog....  I agree that advance notification is a good thing.  But then people see a watch on TV means that there is a watch right now.  They think that winter weather is happening right now or going to happen very soon.  Then you have to explain to them that the watch is not in effect until tomorrow afternoon. :)  Maybe something needs to be scrolled that the watch is not set to begin until a later time if we are going to have advance notice on winter storm watches, warnings, and advisories.  Hope that what I just typed make sense.  If it doesn't, then I apologize.

Kristi

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I understand, that watch has been in place a long time with no precipitation in that region.  It could confuse some, but with the confidence high that rain/sleet/snow will occur in the watch area and it met the criteria, the watch was issued.  No matter what, there will always be people that are confused by the weather.

Jeremy

January 25, 2009 9:28 PM
 

Weatherfly said:

light snow starting here in South OP....very light
January 25, 2009 9:41 PM
 

Dwxtracker said:

Kristy,
In actuality, the watch is in effect now. The watch is issued to say that an advisory or warning may be issued for the time frame mentioned in the watch, so the watch is really in effect from the point it is issued until it is replaced with something else. If they waited until the watch went into effect to put it up on the screen, then the precip would have already started and the watch would likely have been replaced by an advisory or warning. So I think it is perfectly reasonable to have the watch on the screen now. Winter storm warnings are often issued 6-12 hours in advance, but they are put up on screen immediately, so why should a watch be different? I do agree though, that there should be a scroll on the screen to tell you about the watch, and when the winter weather is expected.

Anyway, back to the current weather, out here in St. Louis we are under a Winter Storm Watch for tomorrow through Wednesday morning, and the NWS here has been putting out a forecast for 4-6" of snow for the St. Louis metro. I'm having a little bit of a hard time believing it, but I hope they are right!

David
January 25, 2009 9:43 PM
 

juniorfan32 said:

I think the forecast was disappointing.  If it is going to be cold it may as well snow.  I am beginning to think there will not be a snow above 2 inches this year.  So disappointing.  We're getting nothing, are  you serious?
January 25, 2009 10:26 PM
 

LRCfan said:

I'm still sticking with my 2-4.  Good night everyone.
January 25, 2009 10:30 PM
 

Kcchamps said:

January 25, 2009 11:02 PM
 

KansasPatriot said:

Well Kcchamps I like your optimism!  Who knows...if we go off what it has been like all winter it will be just another let down.  All winter to the North or to the East.....just not in KC for some reason.



So far.......
January 25, 2009 11:13 PM
 

bewild79 said:

well if anyone needs to know, to log on on your cell, search for nbc action mobile and it will take you to the correct link to be here. it took me a while but i figured it out. i am on my cell now. have a good night all                becky
January 25, 2009 11:38 PM
 

WEATHERdude said:

I like kcchamps optimism too.... lol that would be great if we got 6 inches!

then maybe i mite have my first snow day :D but idk i have a hunch that 1-3 inches is a bit too low at this point... and maybe its just because i love snow but idk something just doesnt seem rite with that forecast lol i hoope you are wrong gary!

Good night to all
January 25, 2009 11:49 PM
 

Darkwolfe said:

I'd like to know where those guys are pulling their data from.... Looks like a good bit of fun for the snow lovers, but by the same token, ya gotta wonder how much attention the folks in Michigan are really paying to data here in KC.

Then again, this is winter in the midwest.  All the signs can point one way, then bang! It goes off and does something nobody could predict.

My gut feeling says flurries if we're lucky and that's all she wrote. (*sigh*)
January 25, 2009 11:49 PM
 

sweetness said:

Im going with 3-5 just making it different hopng the dry air moves out fast and lets draw up some gulf moisture not the hot air just the moisture and get dumped on. The only time it does that is if it wants to rain on our snow parade. Oh well night all
January 25, 2009 11:50 PM
 

sweetness said:

Oh and guys just think when the other channels predict low we get dumped. If the predict alot we get a dusting just a thought now off to bed night
January 25, 2009 11:52 PM
 

pmccabe58 said:

wow darkwolfe i dont think you have seen any of the models...
January 26, 2009 12:06 AM
 

Dwxtracker said:

Darkwolfe,
The site may be called MichiganWxSystem, but he does all his data for the whole country. It just started off as a site for Michigan, but then it expanded to the country. He's a major partner for HamWeather, if you've heard of them, and that is where a lot of the data comes from.

I do hope that those maps are right though! I shows like 8" for out here in St. Louis. That would be a blast!

David
January 26, 2009 12:20 AM
 

mattmaisch said:

Well, it looks like the 06Z NAM is just about as discouraging as all previous runs of that model.  Not looking good at all for anyone wanting anything more than minor accumulations.  Nothing new there though.  Oh well...
January 26, 2009 3:08 AM
 

chiefsrock said:

when will you update the blog again
January 26, 2009 7:25 AM
 

chiefsrock said:

how much snow will we have by 6:30 AM
January 26, 2009 3:18 PM
 

chiefsrock said:

how much snow will we have by 6:30 AM
January 26, 2009 3:18 PM
 

chiefsrock said:

how much snow will we have by 6:30 AM
January 26, 2009 3:18 PM
 

chiefsrock said:

who do you want to win the super bowl
January 26, 2009 3:52 PM
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