Cold Front Moving Through...Heavy T-Storms

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ChicagoExPat — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:54:34 GMT

There's a blotch of red and yellow popup storm just to the west of us in south Johnson County. That's enough to make me come inside from watering the garden. Lots of thunder, should be a shortlived event I think.

Tina

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Aussie83 — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:57:15 GMT

Good to have you back Gary!

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Bizarro Jerry — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:58:27 GMT

in forecasting for the potential of severe weather, what particular parameters make you say that microburst winds, in particular, are a potential threat?

what makes tonight different than other events earlier in the year where you didn't talk about microbursts?

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ChicagoExPat — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:02:25 GMT

Hate satellite TV, always goes out in storms like this.

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ChicagoExPat — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:13:13 GMT

Pea sized hail and torrential rains down here 4 miles north of Spring Hill. Looks like we won't have to water the lawn tomorrow, hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now...

Tina

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Hamons Custom Landscaping — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:22:04 GMT

Good to see comments are back on. Thunder - but dry at 95th and Antioch!

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lezakEF5 — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:22:36 GMT

I saw the storm that is in Macon County form just north of me in Marceline and it was a nice looking towering cumulous cloud.

Maybe we can get 1 to roll through Marceline before the front passes, doubt it, but I hope so. Garden could use some water today.

Alex in Marceline

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sportsfreaked — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:23:35 GMT

Gary good to have you back!! Jeremy did a fine job in your absence except for the heat he turned on...LOL... Looks like the storms will miss us here in Eastern Independence for now. They issues a STW for southern Jackson county but it looks as though it will stay just south of the county line. Good to see everyone back!!

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ChicagoExPat — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:29:45 GMT

RAINBOW!!! The most amazing complete rainbow in south JoCo KS!! That storm was so short, but the sun is shining now and boy, that rainbow is AWESOME!!!

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addiwethergrl — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:33:34 GMT

nothing here in Parkville so far. I seriously doubt we are going to get anything. if anything see`s anything severe going on around here in Parkville would you please get on and let me know with a comment. I am going to St.louis tomorrow so i only need it for tonight.

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sportsfreaked — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:36:35 GMT

ChicagoEXPat>>>> Did hubby survive working and missing the final round of the open...LOL>> Looks as though that storm has weakened just a bit.

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wicked wx — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:36:58 GMT

Bizzaro Jerry-
These storms like the ones we've had have this week mainly been formed by heat and not the classic major convergence. These storms are able to form on any little boundary, including outflow and summer cold fronts like today. Since these boundaries are relatively weak, they need massive amounts of heat to keep them going. As you may know though, rain cools the ground down, and inhibits updrafts. This means that basically the sky falls out above you, and all of the precipitation and cool air comes down and spreads out across the ground with some wild winds.

Today is not identical to the previous days, as this cold front has a little more convergence, and is more constant than that of an outflow which can easily wash out. Today's storms also are moving faster than the others, but the rain cooled air can still rush out in front of the storm and cool things off, and the storms can easily collapse still and there could still be microburst wind events, especially due to the coverage of the storms

ChicagoExPat
I personally prefer an antenna since it is free and I don't have to worry about the TV going out. Since none of our 'real' digital channels in this area are on the VHF and are on the UHF band, we do not have to worry about those channels breaking up. Brings up a topic about how lightning effects the DTV transition in some areas, but not in Kansas City.

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addiwethergrl — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:38:03 GMT

sorry, imeant anyone see`s anything

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sportsfreaked — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:46:25 GMT

Wow a line of storms forming along the front are really firing up just to the south of downtown KC through Ottawa and Eureka as always just to the south of us. Why in KC most of the time the storms either go to the North or to the South of us?

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thewatchd0g — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:51:05 GMT

Man, I thought we weren't supposed to have pop-up thunderstorms today. So much for that late afternoon/early evening swim.

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juba — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:53:07 GMT

Sirens blazing near my house. Heavy damaging thunderstorm just moved over JoCo Executive Airport. There is some damage but the rain looked like fog, I couldn't see across the street. No it looks like fall but the leaves on the ground are green and there is branches too. This was a scary storm. Updates later.

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KC Jay — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:53:21 GMT

A little bit bigger than pea-sized hail, heavy rain, lightning and gusty winds near Powell Gardens in NW Johnson County, MO.

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sportsfreaked — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:54:42 GMT

ADDIWETHERGRL>>>> Just my opnion but I think you will be ok tonight. You might get some rain but nothing major. The cold front has already moved thru your area and is just to the south of KC that is where the severe storms would be.

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juba — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:57:41 GMT

Look at the storm in Johnson County, its developing a hook, the hook is stationary unlike the t-storm.

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juba — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:58:27 GMT

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=eax&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=yes Loop of NWS EAX radar, sorry, I forgot to add this on my last post.

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juba — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:02:28 GMT

Sorry about all the posts, I got scared. By sirens I mean firetruck and GAry's mention about lowrsing, That part passed right over my house, I saw it rotating at one point but it the quickly dies away. I hope I can watch tonight to see from the air but my brother will probably be playing video games until 2:00 A.M. Ughh. Be safe everybody, it just a gust front and I've never been directly targed by a thunderstorm so sorry about the hype. ;-)

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LBF1958 — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:10:17 GMT

Is anyone else experiencing difficulty with their NOAA weather radio this evening. Mine did not sound again--nor has the light come in; yet when I 'push the button' to listen there clearly is a severe thunderstorm watch. Do I need to get a new radio or is this a problem at NOAA?

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LBF1958 — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:17:09 GMT

Another question. Does KSHB offer text messaging to cell phones of severe weather alerts? I have signed up for the e-mail messages but wasn't sure about cell phone texting. Thanks!

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wicked wx — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:19:55 GMT

KC Jay- I live in the same general area north of Pittsville, which is on 50hiway. I must say it is an interesting storm.

I have noted lowerings and scud on the the west side of that storm, but no rotation for those who may be worried. Also, the scud and slight lowerings seem to have became much less prominent in the last couple minutes.

Nothing to be worried about. :)

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StanzdaMan — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:36:10 GMT

I don't usually post, nut I found this on the Weather forum wich you can visit if you click my name which is in Orange. I don't think all the panick and pandamoneum was necessary. Why would nobody be allowed to coment because someobody made a spoof and and said bad words? Someobdy posted this on the Weather Forum:

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We decided not to post this letter. So, I am deleting it now. We don't want to even discuss it. Everyone should know the rules....no personal attacks on anyone, no bad language, and we will keep the topics to weather or whatever is discussed in an open forum that is brought up through the blog. We had to shut down the comments because people were not following the rules, it was affecting more than just the one or two posters causing the problem. They know about it and they are going to try not to take things personally.

Did you see the picture I just posted? A pretty nice cumulonimbus cloud, ending a wild week of late June weather.

Gary

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davidmcg — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:47:24 GMT

Not a single drop of rain here in McLouth. We were robbed. We got the cooler temps and dewpoints, but thats all.

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addiwethergrl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:49:10 GMT

thank you very much sportsfreaked. i really appreciate that you would do that for me.

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juba — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:54:54 GMT

Neat Picture, I have some too but its kind of fuzzy for some reason, thats odd for and HD camera.

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juba — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:06:24 GMT

Here's a broken tree from a thunderstorm near my Cousin's House. The live right by Phflumn road!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/tree-snapped

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PlatteCityMatt — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:41:07 GMT

What a bummer. My sprinkler has been getting a workout the last few days, looks like that will continue. Otherwise, the decrease in dewpoints is dramatic, as feels really nice!!!

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farmgirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:49:46 GMT

Rain to the North, South and West of me. Thunder and the occasional lonely rain drop. Chickens are sooo happy that the weather has cooled down. Just came in from watching them chase bugs and peck the ground... Yes, I know I lead such an exciting life. But they really are interesting!

When the front blew through around 6:30 it kicked up some pretty cool dust devils.

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whirlygirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:53:34 GMT

It feels much nicer out there finally

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wicked wx — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:04:52 GMT

that's funny whirlygirl,
I personally think it's too cold outside. Got too used to the heat! The wind sends chills down my spine! :)

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Brocksmama — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:23:38 GMT

It felt so good outside this evening, I hated to come inside! Am going to open up the house tonight if I can convince the hubby to turn off the A/C- he likes it pretty cold in the house! Rain missed us earlier this evening ( 68th Terr. and Oak ), but did enjoy watching the storm to the south and the lightning was cool too. hope we get a little rain tonight so i don't have to water tomorrow! Dea

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mizzoufan03 — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:31:29 GMT

Anyone notice that low pressure system in Alaska?...looks like a huricane with an eye.

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whirlygirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:07:31 GMT

Flakefan, really that's not a post that should be on here. I think everyone is very aware of what's happened. It was more than one person. And now we're trying to move past it.

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farmgirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:09:29 GMT

Pouring rain and gusty winds in La Cygne.

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whirlygirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:15:02 GMT

I thought I was hearing thunder but someone told me they thought they saw fireworks up north. I did see a few raindrops so who knows?

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bewild79 — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:17:36 GMT

FlakeFan,
Please keep it to the weather...it was bad enough that the comments were off for so long. Everyone knows what happened and trying to move past it.

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farmgirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:21:55 GMT

I'm guessing I'll easily get an inch out of this storm. Rain is whipping from the West North West. Hope the truck windows are up???

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Jayhawkie — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:27:21 GMT

Just got back from a beautiful fireworks display in Bonner. The city always does a great job every year with the fireworks. Anyway, didn't know if they were going to get them off due to the periods of light rain. You could see it coming about 8:45. It rained and or sprinkled for about 20 minutes. Nothing too major. It has cooled off and is really nice outside. So glad that the comments are back on. Glad you are back Gary. Have a nice weekend!!! Melissa

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whirlygirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:37:23 GMT

Well, Jayhawkie that explains that LOL It was fireworks.

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bewild79 — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:51:56 GMT

whirlygirl,
i forgot where you are

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kcwxguy — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:45:05 GMT

Well..guess that was a fun finale. NW winds start. It should dry up some. Finally, some more temperate air masses. Alas, we end our 6 days or so of "Heat Warnings"

Whatever. I guess two out of six days was accurate enough for the NWS.

Time to look ahead to some better and calmer weather. Not looking forward to the last week of July...as we transition back out of the NW toward the split flow, we should find a similar ridge in the central plains again...but this time, we won't have the obscene humidity as we did this time, but with that...it could shoot the high temps much higher. Could see some 100 degree days then.

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Turd Fergenson — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:27:03 GMT

Hurray. Comments are back on.

slept throught the storms eariler today due to me recovering from hand surgery. But oh well.

Looking at the storms earlier from a radar. saw a nice cell in JOCO, which was warned. Had alittle hook on it. No big deal.

just glad things can get back to normal. Do you believe that the flow will return laster in July Gary and cause a minor heatwave with tempatures in the 100s. or not.

Also there was some guy who was predicting long range events on yahoo.com. there was a video about him. Ill try looking for that again to post a little later on.

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soonergirl — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:45:33 GMT

I wish I would have taken a picture of that storm this evening around 7pm... from 95th and Quivira in Overland Park, looking directly east you could see the beautiful structure of the cell and a nice wall cloud!

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davidmcg — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:38:59 GMT

Hey we have a new GOES satellite;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/27/ap/tech/main5119072.shtml

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juba — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:55:14 GMT

Keep it in facebook! The blog is not the place for this. Try not to take things so personally!

Have a great day.

Gary

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ChicagoExPat — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:52:11 GMT

Changing the topic to WEATHER (hint hint) -- not much of a cool down in south JoCo. We're hovering at 90 degrees right now. Humidity is still a bit uncomfortable, too. I'm hoping things improve more tomorrow. I plan on majorly overdoing it in the garden tomorrow -- my idea of a perfect day.

Tina, not interested in blog politics so please just give it a rest

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juba — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:08:16 GMT

(Now that I'm over my fit. ;-) Tina, we have a Royal Empress Tree that is wilting a lot, we've fallowed all the instuctions but it still dosen't look so happy. Is it because of all the clay we have? Or do you not know anything about that tree? We have one thats about 10" tall. The site said it would be 10-12 feet by september.

http://www.fast-growing-trees.com/EmpressTree.htm

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davidmcg — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:22:58 GMT

Juba, go get some earthrite they sell it at Westlake and some other places. I thinks its 2 TBSP's per gallon of water. It will break the clay up and turn it into top soil.

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kcwxguy — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:35:12 GMT

ExPat - might have your temperature instrument checked. Looking at current observations, it is 82 at KCI and 83 in Olathe. Also, dewpoints are about 20 degrees less than yesterday. The are in in the low/mid 50s.

Ideal Summer day if you ask me.

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wicked wx — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:40:48 GMT

I've been growing a Mimosa tree from a seedling now pretty much. Those grow much faster than the oaks I have. Those are also pretty good trees in my opinion. I still have it in a big pot though. I'm thinking about planting it this fall.

Also, I've had this for a while. What does this radar picture look like?
http://tiny.cc/KansasStorms
I think it looks like North America, since I am geographically educated.

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kcwxguy — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:41:36 GMT

North winds all the way down to near the Gulf Coast...pretty impressive cold front for this time of year! Quite the Hudson Bay trough.

Looking very long range, you can begin to see the next big ridge pattern setting up for us near the back end of the month. That one could be a scorcher for this area.

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juba — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:11:42 GMT

Billy Mays is Dead, pray for his family and friends. . . . .

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HummerSeeker — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:17:51 GMT

I think I'll ignore your last sentence Scott! Doesn't make me happy! LOL

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ChicagoExPat — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:23:36 GMT

David, Earthrite absolutely does not break up clay soil and turn it into topsoil. Clay is one of three soil components, the others being sand and silt. You might see a temporary improvement due to more humic acid being produced in the soil, but it's a temporary improvement. There is only one thing in the world that breaks up clay and improves the soil the way we all want it: organic material. Add loads of it -- leaves, grass clippings, composted manure...I won't go into the science of how organic materials and soil organisms break up clay, just trust me. It's the only way. Soil science was my favorite course in college.

The Empress Tree is very undesirable for several reasons: It's invasive, it is barely hardy in this area, so if we get a really bad winter, it will be toast. It can't tolerate being overwatered, which it probably was this spring, and worst of all, it needs acidic soil, pH 5.6 - 6.0 No soil in Kansas has that low a pH unless the gardener has worked very hard to get it that way. That's blueberry-growing soil. Google "paulownia tomentosa" to read more about it. I know what that website says, and I never believe it. If you want a naturally fast grower, plant a willow, and put it in a wet spot.

Fast growing trees are weak trees, period. I know, I have two small mimosas, too. They're short lived, invasive and I wanted a couple of them anyway. Just know what you're getting into. The slower the grower, the stronger the wood. Google "trees for Kansas" and read any link from the www.oznet site -- that's the K-State extension service. Great articles on the best things to plant here.

Sorry, I'll stop talking horticulture now. Nice weather, eh? Scott, I'm ignoring your prophecy of doom for the end of the month. Our lawn is fried enough as it is.

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wicked wx — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:27:00 GMT

Let's guess. Massive heat wave July 21st-28th? I'll look again later at the pattern.

If we don't get much moisture, we could easily hit 105 I bet, but that is without much rain. I think we'll a couple inches.

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juba — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:42:54 GMT

-A Palownia Tomentosa is not invasive in Kansas
-It can survive temps down to -10 degrees and sometimes cooler
-Our yard is on a hill
-We fallowed the directions mixing durt within five feet of it with optimal soil for a paulownia
-I live in groing zone 6, and it can go into 5

Have you seen the Paulownias Around here, they are beautiful, or I have terrible taste! ;-)
Sorry tina, I just realized I asked for help and put my every word against it! lol! Sorry. Just looked up and its perking a little now. Im saving the leaves. A Paulownia is suppost to grow fast, thats the way it is. Sorry about this. I have a headache!

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wicked wx — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:21:55 GMT

Living on a hill would drain the water, but make it more susceptible to the cold temperatures...

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ChicagoExPat — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:46:55 GMT

It can easily get colder than -10 here. I wouldn't plant anything that isn't hardy to -20. And the Metro area is in Zone 5b. I plant for Zone 5a to be safe. Just be aware that any fast growing tree won't be as wind resistant as a slow growing one.

Please -- no more massive heat waves! Last week was like the summer of 1995 in Chicago -- hell on earth.

We only got 3/4" rainfall yesterday. The garden already needs water, and the low areas in our lawn that got the wettest in spring have succumbed to fungal diseases. No wonder so many people don't bother with gardens in Kansas. It's a real acid test for sure.